Beginner VS Amateur VS Pro Cyclist | Time Trial Edition
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We've seen them climb a hill, and then climb a hill again, but our beginner and amateur cyclist's are not done yet - and this time they're going head to head against a different pro in a 10 mile time trial! Follow this race to see who's crowned fastest on the flat, how much difference training to ride time trials really makes!
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Did Richard's speed blow you away or were you more impressed with Freddie's debut effort? Let us know in the comments 👇
@Miki-ep1ux
3 жыл бұрын
Freddie is improving fast
@RoScFan
3 жыл бұрын
Please put richard on a hardtail XC bike with clip on aerobars, lock out front suspension and 2 inch touring tyres inflated to the max. I want to see how such an arrangement (a mishmash) compared to a normal TT bike.
@mischief2168
3 жыл бұрын
Put in context all were brilliant.
@maartends6051
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, freddy only has 45 watts lower on ftp than ollie
@ekie7361
3 жыл бұрын
All 3 👌
Freddie pulling up and nearly puking is the most relatable thing I've seen on KZread.
@robertmills6772
3 жыл бұрын
Right! It's not at all that Freddy almost tossed his cookies, it's that so many of us often get close to that point. These videos are helpful with keeping our goals and abilities in perspective.
@wartupper
3 жыл бұрын
Ohhh, the first hill climb feeling
@mikefrerichs8860
3 жыл бұрын
Tells me he gave it his all. He's got my respect!
@basv8456
3 жыл бұрын
Sam Benett agrees
@darwinsstuff9445
3 жыл бұрын
I agree hahaha
Im here to watch ma dude Freddie.
@marianmore5315
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed :) As was said - our champion :)
@Jac77794
3 жыл бұрын
A new GCN presenter?????
@rogger55
2 жыл бұрын
our dude
Freddie should be a regular presenter just to represent 99.9% of the people who actually cycle and watch GCN
@westwingaero
3 жыл бұрын
don’t know about 99% with 270 watt FTP
@davidburgess741
3 жыл бұрын
Don't know about 99% but recently rode 30 miles at 15.6 mph 61 years young on a low geared track bike. That's got to be 200watts + 300feet elevation change. Also 17.3 mph over 20 miles with road crossings and no brakes. More hilly, a bit bigger gear. I did stop.
@veganpotterthevegan
3 жыл бұрын
I'd rather see experts...
@andyhaochizhang
3 жыл бұрын
@@westwingaero probably 3w/kg
@haranglouis5252
3 жыл бұрын
He was looking fast. He is a bit overweight but on flat does not really matter, I got overtake by a freddie once on a semi iron man.
i would like you guys to train freddie for 10 weeks days try to gring up his power and do this chellenge again and also make a week on how much fast did freddie get in 10 weeks
@josephkool6326
3 жыл бұрын
Yep that'd be good content
@ulyssepinon9177
3 жыл бұрын
+1
@gcn
3 жыл бұрын
Ollie might be a bit worried about that one...
@penetratefilms1690
3 жыл бұрын
@@gcn ollie should also train for next chellenge to come as close to the pro
@penetratefilms1690
3 жыл бұрын
@@gcn also you should do a 10 week chellenge on ollie so next time he doesn't get dropped in roadies vs si on timetrial bike
Freddie talks???!!!! Did he get union pay for a speaking part? Go Freddie!!! You're our man (all of us beginners, that is).
@FlatSpinMan
3 жыл бұрын
And he’s good at it too.
@itarry4
3 жыл бұрын
He spoke in the last one. When he was saying how he beat Ollie up the climb.... 🤔 😉 😅 😎 Gotta say though that's a different Freddie in so many ways to the bloke we first saw in the first climbing video.
@northwake
3 жыл бұрын
@@FlatSpinMan He's coming for a job at GCN.
@ytubela
3 жыл бұрын
Union pay? This is KZread!
Ollie brings Freddie in when he wants to not lose.
@TomboLP
3 жыл бұрын
For now ... give it a year or two and it might be a different story.
To put it into context, Freddie was going around 38 km/h. That's actually insane for a beginner!
240 watts for 25 minutes straight is no joke as a beginner! Mad respect.
@georgeclooney1293
Жыл бұрын
exactly, unbeliveable
Freddie getting into the aero bars and literally popping his head up and chatting away 😂😂 Absolutely iconic, what unflappable confidence
Freddie! Mad respect! Ollie didn't mention the hour record ... what has happened!?
@gcn
3 жыл бұрын
We've started cutting it out 😉
@jonpoon3896
3 жыл бұрын
He got humbled after getting dropped
@Kimberly_Sparkles
3 жыл бұрын
@@gcn Are you sure Ollie didn't drop it?
@alexohye3904
3 жыл бұрын
Just hire Freddie. He’d be the present of the people. Plus I want to see him get to the point where he can drop Ollie in a race.
@javalamaxi1
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexohye3904 geez
Freddy’s excitement on the pure speed of being on a TT bike was awesome...
@huaiwei
3 жыл бұрын
And I felt his fear as well negotiating the chicane at that speed on a TT bike. Fantastic results even if he hesitated there!
@Crusheded
3 жыл бұрын
I want to try it out now
@rogger55
2 жыл бұрын
he was actually having fun there...
When Ollie said "ready Freddy?" Me: "crazy little thing called love"
@eccehomer8182
3 жыл бұрын
He's gotta stay cool... relax. Take a long ride on his TT bike.
@FlatSpinMan
3 жыл бұрын
@@eccehomer8182 Both under appreciated comments.
@robbchastain3036
3 жыл бұрын
And it would have been reasonable if he had ridden the course on a motorbike.
@thenix0389
3 жыл бұрын
Faith in humanity restored
Ollie's hair look fabulous, Britain's next hair model.
@xtrailz
3 жыл бұрын
Ollie should have his own show where he reviews shampoos and conditioners
@kstethespokes1051
3 жыл бұрын
Scientifically scrutinised obviously!
@Kimberly_Sparkles
3 жыл бұрын
I love it. I totally misread your comment as saying the opposite early!
@dtmax2
3 жыл бұрын
+1 looking lucious
@DavidWhiteOfFleet
3 жыл бұрын
How does he fit it under a helmet. Does he take it off?
If Freddie averaged 240w, what was his power like at the beginning and where was it at the end. Freddie looks like he's built for the velodrome. Whole new challenge, 1k on a track.
Considering Freddie has more a rugby prop physique than a racing snake I think he is awesome. Great effort all three guys but Freddie is the star.
Weetabix that's left in plate all day lol spot on 🤣🤣
People love Freddie because he relates to less experienced riders and it’s great to see people learn!
If FTP 270 is a beginner lvl then I probably can't even ride a bike..
@wanderingbox7971
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣
@serdiezv
3 жыл бұрын
That's kinda the point when people say all those power savings in top of the range products are ridiculous. They're thought for the people in the >400 watts, if I'm at 220 W FTP I'm not going to see any benefit, but then those products aren't aimed at me.
@bighammer3464
3 жыл бұрын
Do you not see how big Freddie is? 270w is easier for a heavier person to do.
@serdiezv
3 жыл бұрын
@@bighammer3464 he's also a rugby player iirc. They have a lot of power in the legs.
@edmundlee3934
3 жыл бұрын
FTP doesn't paint the full picture. W/kg is more accurate indication of your ability.
I think it would be interesting if there's a video about "Beginner with TT bike versus Pro TT Cyclist with road bike" on GCN. GCN, wish you guys could make a video about this.
@gcn
3 жыл бұрын
We did that but with Ollie as the beginner 😂 We'll let you see the results of that one... kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4N3k9Npprm7YJM.html
8:47 Ollie sounded really sweet and genuine, almost like he was about to cry
So Ollie went 4 minutes faster than Freddie for only 50 watts more. To go another 2 minutes faster, Richard needed another HUNDRED. Marginal gains man
@manuelweiss3904
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, the areodynamic resitance increases squared to the velocity. Nature always put a spoke in your wheel.
@antoniohernandez6590
3 жыл бұрын
This is like needing double the Amplifier watts for only a 3dB increase
@mattreid8755
3 жыл бұрын
Ollie lighter and more aero
@erikschmidt5263
Жыл бұрын
@@antoniohernandez6590 Bad comparison since dB chart is logarithmic 🙃
@stefans4562
10 ай бұрын
2 = 10^(3/10) = 3 dB 3 dB = 10*lg(2) dB = 2 dB is just a mathematical operator in the same sense % is. So a factor of two is the same as a 3 dB increase. (note: actually it's 3.01 dB)
CHAMPION OF THE PEOPLE!
@delkim3691
3 жыл бұрын
of the REAL beginners :)
Weakness : Getting dropped . I have no other choice than smiling while reading this ^^
@katiel7166
3 жыл бұрын
"Strengths: actually has upper body strength" got me good
@thelonesculler
3 жыл бұрын
*Boliver Fridgewater has entered the chat*
@Kimberly_Sparkles
3 жыл бұрын
@@katiel7166 I laughed out loud.
@Mike51254
3 жыл бұрын
Freddie's weakness : hairdo. ??? That should have been Ollie's weakness !
Freddie, do you want to start a YT channel for 100kg beginners? We could have videos like: "That hill over there? I'd rather cycle 6 miles around it." or "How much slower is avoiding hills altogether?"
Tbf Freddie was looking strong as f
@kedarkulkarni3030
3 жыл бұрын
They should make them ride hand powered bikes😂😂😂Freddie will win sleeping 😅😜
@wanderingbox7971
3 жыл бұрын
yeah but not for cycling...skinier frames would be better off...lucky buggers..🤣 I am sort of Freddy's frame and need to loose lots
@kelsoncheng
3 жыл бұрын
Is it the same Freddie as before?
@Kimberly_Sparkles
3 жыл бұрын
@@kelsoncheng Freddie is unchanged.
@gw7392
3 жыл бұрын
@@kelsoncheng it’s a whole different Freddie but the exact same Freddie, bit like the former Fredo 10p chocolates, same thing, still 10p but leaner.
Just give Freddie a full time job already. Lad has amazing charisma.
@andrewnorthall
3 жыл бұрын
He already works for GCN. He does some office work, can't remember what.
@workingguy6666
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewnorthall That's cool!
Would be interesting to have each of you compare yourself between a TT bike and normal road bike. How much is a pro, an amateur, a beginner gaining through a TT bike and a TT position compared to a road bike ride?
Freddie is insane.... he can't be "beginner" anymore in any future video, since he's better than most beginners will ever be, but you could give him a job as a presenter...
@georgeclooney1293
Жыл бұрын
37,7 km an hour speed on a 10 mile race. It is brilliant for a beginner
It is fun to watch the improvements Freddie is making! I enjoy these videos because it gives hope to beginners but also shows how great the pros really are.
More please, though with Freddie putting out 240w you might need a new beginner
@AndresGarcia-hu8ij
3 жыл бұрын
Freddie's legs are about as thicc as Dan Lloyd's upper body. The W/kg matters a bit more than raw numbers.
@daskanguru140
3 жыл бұрын
Not necessarily, especially on a flat TT course
@maartends6051
3 жыл бұрын
@@daskanguru140 indeed on the flat it’s more about watts/cda than watts/kg
@Kimberly_Sparkles
3 жыл бұрын
@@AndresGarcia-hu8ij not inaccurate.
@nk-dw2hm
3 жыл бұрын
Just look at the thumbnail for a comparison on their front surface area, sure it's flat but he's also pushing a lot more wind
Another great video Ollie. Richard is an absolute monster but love watching Freddie's progress. 25 minute TT for the first time is epic.
At this point I just want Freddie to be an official GCN presenter
Freddie has got too good. I used to watch him to feel better about myself now I feel worse!
Awesome work Freddie. Can completely relate to that feeling of weakness leaving the body. Well done on an amazing first run.
Great video! As someone getting into cycling, preparing for first time trial, this really helps for context. It's hard to train for something without knowing that context. It helps to see the difference between being fit and racing. You guys are all winners.
@pauljakeman
2 жыл бұрын
Hope your tt goes well
270 W FTP ?? We need another beginner 🥲 But, keep Freddie around to see his progress
@kedarkulkarni3030
3 жыл бұрын
I guess here it's more about the technique as well...like he didn't know how to pace
@dudefella420
3 жыл бұрын
That’s probably about 2.5W/kg or less for him, which is fit beginner territory
@serdiezv
3 жыл бұрын
@@dudefella420 yeah, I'm at 2.3 W/kg having taking cycling seriously for 8 months now, and I don't have those big legs he has. They're pretty good numbers for a beginner, but still a beginner.
@DhimaRider
3 жыл бұрын
@@serdiezv i forgot he has massive body .. but still very impressive .. also technique is important too when on tt bikes
@serdiezv
3 жыл бұрын
@@DhimaRider agree. I see people with TT bikes where I live, and they lose a lot of power because they can't control the pedal thrust properly and there's a lot of swinging. Technique is key so you get the most out of every watt you put out.
You should have introduced a fourth contender for the category _"sure, how hard can it be: you never forget how to ride a bike."_ 😁🚲
Enjoyed it, great show, really motivating, thanks. 👍
Freddie is amazing. Best addition to the channel. Really inspired me to do better
Freddies comments about how hard it is to ride a tt-bike is enlightening about how hard it actually is. Great video!
Ollies weaknesses: getting dropped 😂 You forgot to add being really likeable and a great presenter to his strengths though 👌
Loved that! Weetabix comparison is spot on, made me LOL. Well done Freddie, not so much of a beginner now you are!
Mad respect boys! Been suscribed since the 20.000 subs!
You will need a new beginner soon😂big up Freddie
Can we get a Blake vs Hank rematch using TT bikes? A 10 minute and 20 minute effort would be interesting
Love seeing more of Freddie! Especially as a guy who is similarly sized. The thing I noticed the most in watching all three guys go around was Richard's efficiency of motion. He didn't have any extra or unnecessary movement in his body at all, and his pedal stroke was so smooth. Freddie had a lot of extra motion that wasn't going into moving the bike forward, and Ollie had a bit of that, too. I suppose it helps that Richard has spent tons more time on the TT bike.
Glad to see Freddie having so much fun on the TT bike. I love how fast you feel when you're really givin' it in aTT position, really enjoyable part of cycling if you ask me! As for my 10mi pb, i'm still only just under 30 minutes!!
Keep the documentary of Freddie's progress going!
Well done to all three of you, great stuff
Loved this. Great video
Love the videos with Freddie. More please
Love seeing Freddie back! Fist time trial and averaged over 20 MPH! I am happy when I hit 20mph, which is usually in a downhill. I would like to know what Freddie’s training is like. He has made massive progress in a short time. :)
1. Beginner 2. 270W FTP Pick one.
@joshustaran-anderegg9399
3 жыл бұрын
He’s a big lad and I reckon probably weighs around 90kg, so 3w/kg average. That’s the same as an 70kg rider having a 210w ftp which would be considered a beginner ftp
@rebellis13
3 жыл бұрын
@@joshustaran-anderegg9399 if power to weight would mean anything on a flat road.
Great video boys, most inspirational. I thought my FTP of 260, after 6 months of improvement mainly using Zwift on my wattbike, was pretty good, so respect to Freddie. Cannot wait for Freddie to drop Ollie on one of the events they do in the future.....because everyone else has👍
This is great, would love to see more videos that address us newbies and people on the fence about cycling
Wonder how much faster Freddie would have gone if he hadn't kept talking to the camera.
@delkim3691
3 жыл бұрын
3 milliseconds :)
@chrisfitmr
3 жыл бұрын
And a bike fit
Freddie is the most relatable guest GCN has had. Nice seeing a fellow larger cyclist
This series is great! More of these please!
Great effort lads! Freddie is making good progress in all areas of riding👍👏
Can ollie drop a video on gcn about his hair care routine? It looks magnificent.
@roebbiej
3 жыл бұрын
'drop' a video. Huehue
Freddie looks like how I imagine I would look like riding a time trial bike.
GCN really bringing the madness these days! Loving it.
Chapeau Freddie! Nice video as always. I have a video suggestion. How much can we slow a pro cyclist down and speed up a beginner cyclist so they are riding at a similar pace? Get all the latest and fastest kit on the beginner rider while downgrading the kit available to the pro. See just how far the beginner improves his time and how much the drop off is for the pro while riding anything not built for speed....
Well done Freddie, great time. Please can you lay the ground work for a "Freddie tries Cyclo-cross"
@nk-dw2hm
3 жыл бұрын
Could also try bringing Freddie on gmbn if he's interested
The claps when Freddie was coming in 😂
Good work men !!! Not a time trial person, but it’s a silky smooth way to ride a bike when you know what you are doing. Thanks for the video !!!
Chapeau, Freddie. It's fun to see his improvement and great attitude.
Ollie did set a record here for best helmet hair ever. It’s on video so it should be good enough for Guinness. I’m sure Dan Lloyd is proud
Feel like Freddie (THE Peoples Champion) should get a challenge he can win, like who can do the most bicep curls of a bike
@ChrisCanMakeStuff
3 жыл бұрын
Or who can pump a tire to 100psi the fastest.
Freddie my guy is here doing impressive work. Good job freddie! Hope to see you again in future videos of gcn.
Another brilliant idea put into practice here GCN. I think that all 3 of the riders were incredible. 25 mins for a beginner is a time that most keen average riders would be proud of ! It would be interesting to see a TT bike V a road bike for the gains and losses next for each rider.
I’ve done hundreds of laps of combe in a race car.. did my OCD in watching you go round the wrong way! 😂😂
@chrisfitmr
3 жыл бұрын
I was wonder that. Even the DB Max Tt goes the correct way !
Just thinking Freddie would be doing over 20mph for 10 miles amazing.
@Karan02256
3 жыл бұрын
My calculation was 37.8km/h thats amazing! 😊
Well done,Freddie! Definitely bring him back for more.
Very interesting series, I'll be watching more! Your "beginner" did very well, not only his first time in that horrible position BUT he also went first and it's hard to quantify what having someone to chase down can do for you as opposed to empty road or track.
Freddy is not a presenter but he deserves a video called “meet Freddy”
The fact that they didnt use Si for the pro is a missed opportunity, probably didnt want to make Ollie feel to bad.
Love these videos 👍
Nice video! I've been wanting to do a test like this myself for a while
I think you should put Richard on a strict diet of pizza and chocolate for 2 months then repeat the test again. Now that would be interesting 😄
We need Freddy to do a century now. Bring Hank too, he loves adventures
Enjoying this series of films and Freddies rapid progression. Give him some coaching, practice TT position, pacing, and let Freddie set a new time (10 weeks)
Nice one Freddie, great effort!
I think its only fair that Ollie takes Freddie to a club 10 next!
would be interesting to know how the beginner would have doen on a normal road bike - i.e does the kit make a bigger difference to a beginner than an experienced rider.
Always great to see Freddie. Chapeau to Richard.
This is ace - TT's are what I fell in love with in the mid 80's - I can still remember feeling like Rob after my first few. He did really, really well! I race up at Castle Combe a couple of times a week in the summer and it's a great place (apart from the wind)... and don't think we didn't notice that Rob was the only one given a mic during the effort - making him talk during it wasn't fair - you should have all had mics on ;-)
0:36 "For our beginner, ... ,Freddy, the people's champion!" - > FTP 270w Myself, riding over 300k a week for over 5 years -> FTP 275w 😬😬 (it sucks being 60kg when you want to ride on flats)
@lexistential
3 жыл бұрын
lol i havent even eclipsed 200w after 3 years, just not built for it i guess
@LarsRR
3 жыл бұрын
@@lexistential are you doing structured training though?
@LarsRR
3 жыл бұрын
You likely punch a smaller hole into the air, so you have a higher W/Cda also,
@lexistential
3 жыл бұрын
@@LarsRR I do zwift training plans and follow a diet, I just don't build muscle right. something physiological, not a big deal though, still have fun with it. played soccer for about 12 years when I was younger and was pretty good at it but never really built muscle then either.
@mooseandspade6251
3 жыл бұрын
Freddie is clearly powerfully built and much heavier than 60kg. Wouldn't be great on climbs!
Freddie looks like he is the only one that has the arm muscles to lift a TT bike.
@ruan13o
3 жыл бұрын
Think about all the watts wasted carrying all that extra muscle above the waist! That's how you know Freddie isn't a dedicated cyclist.
Great job Freddie! Your crushing it!
Great vid. Wicked respect to hero Freddie.
#sockgate No wonder the uci have rules on sock length. You knew who was going to win at the start when you could see the length of all the socks. Give Freddie the proper kit and he would of won 😉 More Freddie please keep the vids coming
270watt "beginner" nice
Absolutely love these.
Man this was really awsome!!!
It's a DQ for Richard with those long socks though...
@cyclingmilan
3 жыл бұрын
not to mention the motor pacing he had
Completely unfair comparison. Give Freddie an aero suit! 😂😂PD: He did amazing for a beginner.
@mlustosakm
3 жыл бұрын
and some disc wheels
@bikelawman
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps he was just all too aware of how f*****g ridiculous they look, having been modelled by Ollie and decided against it?!
More of these please
Best performance to me is Freddie's one ! Very well done ! :)