Beatrice Chestnut - Type 5 Enneagram Panel

Type 5 Panel on day three of the Enneagram Panel Workshop Series (Types 5, 6 & 7) with Beatrice Chestnut and host, Michael Lerner
Enneagram is an archetypal depth psychology. It has enormous power to deepen our insight into ourselves and others. As a follow-up to our last TNS conversation with author and enneagram expert Beatrice Chestnut, we’re offering a three-part series of workshops to explore enneagram further in depth. Each workshop will feature a three- to five-person panel of enneagram “types”.

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  • @hooverbacon
    @hooverbacon5 жыл бұрын

    I'm impressed they were able to round up a panel of fives! Good stuff.

  • @zazzyz4558

    @zazzyz4558

    4 жыл бұрын

    Except they weren't.

  • @barbiekat6352

    @barbiekat6352

    3 жыл бұрын

    Zazzy Z you must be at that point in studying the Enneagram where you think you know what type everyone is...you’ll grow out of that if you keep learning!

  • @1jediwitch

    @1jediwitch

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@barbiekat6352 Yep. 😊🖖

  • @Itsjustcazzata

    @Itsjustcazzata

    3 жыл бұрын

    Right!!😂

  • @AlskaNoelle

    @AlskaNoelle

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thought the same thing! LOL

  • @abt9594
    @abt95943 жыл бұрын

    The consistent observation, on this panel, of fives needing a "purpose" in a social gathering is something that has plagued me my entire life! I'm so glad to hear others say this.

  • @angierose1076
    @angierose10764 жыл бұрын

    Okay i just have to say, the 5 that appears to be in the most discomfort on this panel is also the one that makes the audience laugh the most, and I love that.

  • @Henripostant

    @Henripostant

    2 жыл бұрын

    Damn right, their detachment can make them really funny, without them being especially aware of the whys behind the 😂

  • @SmileFreestyle-hx2rc

    @SmileFreestyle-hx2rc

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah that's sort of how I roll too. Not that I'm especially funny (look at my dumbshit icon) but I use humor to keep everything at arms length. Its a solid coping mechanism

  • @lauriecampbell1378
    @lauriecampbell13784 жыл бұрын

    Like Michael, I do well in a group if I have a purpose. Let's say I like gardening, I could get together with other gardeners and easily talk about planting, plant types, sunlight, soil, etc. and I would look very social. Put me in a group talking about a subject that doesn't interest me and I would feel the pain mounting until I had to leave without saying a word!

  • @GenerallyGoodMusic

    @GenerallyGoodMusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly!

  • @1Mneme
    @1Mneme2 жыл бұрын

    "You are boring" usually translates into: you are not entertaining me, or you are not talking about subjects that don't include me; therefore, I'm not being entertained.

  • @googlemail5190
    @googlemail51903 жыл бұрын

    "I like the time just before dawn when there is nobody to tell me who I am so I can experience who I actually am" 39:39

  • @jacksonlandrum903

    @jacksonlandrum903

    2 жыл бұрын

    Amen....

  • @lizr6313

    @lizr6313

    9 ай бұрын

    Yep

  • @BigManTate7364
    @BigManTate73643 жыл бұрын

    The guy next to Beatrice immediately checked his watch once she started talking. Such a 5 thing to do "How long is this gonna be? Will it deplete my energy?" lol

  • @kaysesama

    @kaysesama

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! 😅😅

  • @GenerallyGoodMusic
    @GenerallyGoodMusic2 жыл бұрын

    "If there's something that was very emotional for me, traumatic, I figure it out, I deal with it on my own, and it's in that compartment. And when I'm in a group, all the emotions are taken out of it, all the feelings are out of it, and I can talk about it all day long." True as hell.

  • @redefinedliving5974

    @redefinedliving5974

    2 жыл бұрын

    i told someone that i can never share raw pain and suffering to anyone...if i am able to, it's already polished and i probably have already moved on.

  • @DeeDeex007o

    @DeeDeex007o

    8 ай бұрын

  • @badpoetry33
    @badpoetry338 ай бұрын

    What Terry said about his realization that the passion of avarice was really about an entire withholding of the self, was profound. It hit me very deeply.

  • @kenzielove99
    @kenzielove993 жыл бұрын

    Around 15:00 the lady asks him a vulnerable question, he has a mental block while answering it as it requires accessing emotions, and he answered with a quote from a book he had read. Very typical !!!! Love this video thank you (I am a 5)

  • @NAVYA11

    @NAVYA11

    2 жыл бұрын

    true, she also interrupts him . as a 5, this is always felt as intrusion to me even though for others, its just conversation. As soon as he opens up, she jumps in.

  • @dheeraj7440

    @dheeraj7440

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NAVYA11 He was struggling to form sentences lol. She was actually helping him.

  • @NAVYA11

    @NAVYA11

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dheeraj7440 I shared my experience as a 5....not sure what your comment has to do with that ?

  • @dheeraj7440

    @dheeraj7440

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NAVYA11 Just felt like sharing my view as a 5 as well. She wasn't interrupting him, he was taking long pauses and it was uncomfortable for him and others. She was helping him out a bit.

  • @sydm8344
    @sydm83444 жыл бұрын

    30:40 As a 5w4, I had a party that was a merging of three friend groups, it WAS a nightmare. Truly. FIVES, DONT DO IT TO YOURSELF

  • @carolinesmith727

    @carolinesmith727

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yessss this is golden. Did that once and agreed it was terrible

  • @danceonyourtoes

    @danceonyourtoes

    3 жыл бұрын

    i did this to myself twice in my life. never again.

  • @sheldonsawyer4782

    @sheldonsawyer4782

    3 жыл бұрын

    5w4 here. Been there, done that and I'm sorry. 🙏🏼

  • @ThisisDaniel

    @ThisisDaniel

    3 жыл бұрын

    After co-sharing a birthday meal with a friend, I vowed never to amalgamate so many different aspects of my life again.

  • @Bayo106

    @Bayo106

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've always been smart enough yo know that was a bad idea.

  • @speakstheobvious5769
    @speakstheobvious57692 жыл бұрын

    That 5 is so relatable. We always come across as awkward and people always take things differently than how we intend them.

  • @lauriecampbell1378
    @lauriecampbell13784 жыл бұрын

    As a five, I agree that texting and e-mail is the preferred way of communicating. When I am on the phone or speaking to someone face to face, it doesn't allow a flow of thought to happen as easily as when I'm texting or e-mailing. It's when I'm trying to get my thoughts together and relay what I'm thinking to another person that I need to finish my thought before I can listen to what they have to say and be able to pause and reflect on new information.

  • @AlskaNoelle
    @AlskaNoelle3 жыл бұрын

    My husband is a mix of all four of these people, but when it's just me and him, he's so goofy and can be really talkative about his special interests ^-^

  • @rory8585
    @rory85855 жыл бұрын

    Even at age 6 I noticed that I wasn't a doer like my sister was; I watched her do everything and wondered why I didn;t engage more. As a child of 10, I remember feeling strong negative emotions when my Seven sister would anounce the end of playing cars in the garden was over, and now we were going down to the Dockyard to be with other people! I used to wait and wait and wait for my parents to be finished with their social event, so that I could come home and not be bored again. Later I described myself as a sea anenome that lives under the water; I only come out when nobody is around! I'm a 4 with 5 wing, but I struggle more with my 5 wing than my 4 Type, and to this day (age 60) I have yet to conquer how to have my emotions in the moment. Acting spontaneously in the moment at social events is extremely hard for me. I am trying hard to work it out!

  • @redefinedliving5974

    @redefinedliving5974

    2 жыл бұрын

    i feel like i have no problems with this anymore compared to like i was even a year ago!!! i am just diving deeper to enneagram...i have already partially integrated to 8, not fully, but i even relate to a lot of descriptions. and i am a heavy 2. (tritype is 512) i feel like living in a narc household contributed a lot to it. i know another 5 who is an intj and he grew up in a religious fundamentalist household. we struggle a lot taking action, i still do!!! but i think it contributed that almost all of my family are sensors (idk if you are aware of mbti) and i only had sensor friends until college so i forced myself a lot. i also started exercising as early as 16 and got into buddhism and mindfulness shortly after. though that doesnt reduce the fact that i find it difficult to finish things, imposed my will on earth. i feel like it's gonna crumble anyway, it always did.

  • @sinegugundlovu1984
    @sinegugundlovu19842 жыл бұрын

    I could watch this on repeat - it is so wonderful to feel seen!

  • @h6156
    @h61562 жыл бұрын

    I could tell Terry was maybe uncomfortable being there and sharing, but I related a lot to what he said and the way that he said things. I would have probably been the same way if not similar if I were in his position instead. I appreciate his addition to this.

  • @Jessicaunarex
    @Jessicaunarex5 жыл бұрын

    I am 4w5 and I totally related to the compartmentalized friends. I have admitted that such cross pollination is hard.

  • @Angel-rh2lo
    @Angel-rh2lo4 жыл бұрын

    this video made me feel so wholesome. I love these people and I love being a 5.

  • @lindamaxie
    @lindamaxie4 жыл бұрын

    Wow. I have scored as a Type 4 on most Enneagram tests I have taken. This is the first set of panels I have ever seen. I watched them in order. Listening to the 4's I thought, "Hum, I must have transcended my ego. I don't really relate so much to that anymore." (HAHA). Listening to this talk, I realized I have heard variations of all their comments come out of my own mouth, not just recently, but throughout my life. I'm a Type 5 after all. Isn't it amazing how our egos can hide from us? After digging into it a bit more, I believe I am a Sexual 5, so it's no wonder I was confused. Sexual 5 is the most like a 4 and the most in touch with their emotions. Now maybe I can really start to make some progress. Thank you so much for posting these!

  • @sydm8344

    @sydm8344

    4 жыл бұрын

    I had exactly the same experience. I thought I was a four for a while until I read one article about female fives and how they can seem more emotional and creative- I was always stuck between 5 and 4, but I never really related to the disconnect between the emotions and head. I used my mind to make decisions but my emotions were always considered. I told my friend I felt like there was a five inside me watching the 4 inside me. Now, I've figured out that it is a combination of being a girl, being a wing 4, and being a 5sx.

  • @stardusstie

    @stardusstie

    4 жыл бұрын

    I always thought I was a 4w3 and have recently realized I’m actually probably a 5w4. And definitely a sexual variant. Nice to hear I’m not the only one that experienced this

  • @rapisode1
    @rapisode13 жыл бұрын

    The underlying principle of hermitting is to find the heart, the faster you get there, the less hermitting you need.

  • @LesleyMarie
    @LesleyMarie5 жыл бұрын

    Very beneficial for acceptance of myself as a five.

  • @Iwasherepodcast

    @Iwasherepodcast

    3 жыл бұрын

    And becoming a better person.

  • @amaris3767
    @amaris37675 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate the comment about being able to relax once he learned about types. I had the same feeling, it gave me a scale to think about the way people are different.

  • @trustyourself-ashleyching3646
    @trustyourself-ashleyching36463 жыл бұрын

    First guy is a Type 5 hero!

  • @annieperdue6140
    @annieperdue61405 ай бұрын

    boring? This was the most fascinating discussion I've had the pleasure of listening to

  • @PearlPaisley
    @PearlPaisley3 жыл бұрын

    Around the 30 min mark they are talking about not wanting to meet different people at the same time. That you are one person with some friends and another with some other friends. This is something that the 90's tv show Seinfeld brought up. In one episode George didn't want to meet certain friends at the same time because he felt that "worlds are colliding". I had such an aha-moment because to me this is very true. You do act different with different people.

  • @RandolphTheWhite1
    @RandolphTheWhite14 жыл бұрын

    I didn't realize people from Beatrice's book, The Complete Enneagram, were going to be present in these discussions. It's nice to have a face attached to the stories I've read.

  • @rontennis6569
    @rontennis6569 Жыл бұрын

    Terry is fascinating. Like an old school stoic! Hope he's experienced growth since this video.

  • @Pipster807
    @Pipster8073 жыл бұрын

    I'm a very reserved type 9 and can actually relate to a lot of what the 5s said, which seem to be less common in 9s, such as not enjoying group events without having a purpose (I'm sp/sx) or else it feels very awkward and like I'm "just there". Strangely I also identified with Tracy when she mentioned compartmentalization, like she doesn't mix the people she usually spends time with separately. I always resisted mixing my friends or partner with my parents for instance, because I felt like they saw totally different versions of me, or keeping a lot of basic information about me private. For example, what music I listen to because I feel like my family or whoever would think it was out of character for their idea of me or wouldn't like it. I also don't show my emotions around people, especially in groups, and if I try to it feels fake, like I am acting out the feeling to just mirror what I see around me. If I see a group of people crying and hugging I just feel super awkward and need to get away no matter what the sad thing that happened was. I need to be alone (or maybe with one person I'm very close to) to cry or truly feel my emotions, if I'm having them. I always felt super weird for feeling those ways, especially as a woman who are supposed to be the "natural connectors". Even though I'm sure I'm a 9 and not a 5 (unless it's possible to be both like as in tritype) hearing some of these made me feel a litle better.

  • @YukiiReads
    @YukiiReads3 жыл бұрын

    I found out about enneagrams just yesterday and I'm a type 5. When I read the description I was shcoked and happy at the same time ,because all the 5 type characteristics precisly explains my whole existence. 😂

  • @oakson3045

    @oakson3045

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s nice to feel found, best of luck to you!

  • @twebible
    @twebible4 жыл бұрын

    Yes! I am a very analytical and compartmentalize. And I totally identified with with being reluctant to have people from different areas of my life meet and intermingle. I have had a lifelong fear of being boring to others but I am always fascinated with aspects of life.

  • @seekingvision
    @seekingvision2 жыл бұрын

    As a 5w4 I would absolutely hate being on this panel. Why are the chairs so close together? No personal space! I would feel suffocated 😩 If I was forced to do this I would have to be in the chair furthest from the others.

  • @painfreesunrise
    @painfreesunrise4 жыл бұрын

    Terry is highly sensitive.... absolutely.

  • @mtoffo2275
    @mtoffo22753 жыл бұрын

    I'm a 4 but at the beginning I thought I was a 5 due to not understanding the types well yet at that point. I can see now that I'm not, but I just find 5s kind of endearing. The first guy, Terry, seems like a nice dude, just very very very shy

  • @tresmegetit369
    @tresmegetit3696 ай бұрын

    Very interesting. The younger guy is so adorable. I love his hands! I love the fact he feels so socially awkward as it is really sweet. Aww... it's difficult for head types.

  • @lidu6363
    @lidu63635 жыл бұрын

    You can tell this is a Five panel because of the constant scratching of pencil on paper...

  • @lidu6363

    @lidu6363

    5 жыл бұрын

    By the way I'm doing Aikido. I love it. It helps me stop thinking and listen to my body. I would recommend it to all Fives.

  • @BigManTate7364

    @BigManTate7364

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@lidu6363 Interesting. I think Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido, was a 5

  • @donnaritchie5995
    @donnaritchie59955 жыл бұрын

    clear boundaries - parenting preschoolers who have given up their naps means they are yours to interact with from sun-up to sun-down... that was frantic for me as a 5 mom. Bedtime was a day-long goal!!

  • @catombomb3003
    @catombomb30032 жыл бұрын

    True. I/We feel feelings so intensely that we need to either shut them down or move away from the source to get them under control, which others mistake as being cold or emotionless. My own mother said that lol. I was surely baffled at that and the first time I expressed emotions strongly while trying to get her understand me, she thought I was doing it on purpose for whatever reason.. Also, made a lot of sense when they mentioned processing emotions in isolation, in a safe place and then sharing it after you've moved on from it and basically kinda telling the analysis of the experience, though it still feels like we're actually talking about our "feelings." ...I'm just repeating the same stuff, aren't I..?

  • @mrridikilis
    @mrridikilis2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a 5w4 and have never been told that I'm boring. I can also concur with the bearded gentleman in that I'm never bored.

  • @mrs.dillard3860
    @mrs.dillard38605 жыл бұрын

    I like being a 5 too!!!!!

  • @soniadi9105
    @soniadi91054 жыл бұрын

    I like that Beatrice says "let's talk with the real experts", it's something so humble but real to say:) Also the first guy, he's so adorable in his shyness and pure intentions, reminds me so much of my brother ,also a 5..

  • @MoyaMorrisEnneagram
    @MoyaMorrisEnneagram5 жыл бұрын

    Great Type 5 Panel, thank you for sharing. I will post to Facebook.

  • @neptuniankamie9
    @neptuniankamie95 жыл бұрын

    I love fives

  • @mjrose6606
    @mjrose66064 жыл бұрын

    SO(SP)5 or 5w4 here. Very thankful for the panel sharing. Helps clarify experience for me. And bolsters some courage in my for continuing to turn towards sharing more myself. Appreciate the length and variation in these panels.

  • @sheldonsawyer4782
    @sheldonsawyer47823 жыл бұрын

    Well she just got into my business FAST. 5 wing 4 INTP 👋🏻

  • @KendrixTermina
    @KendrixTermina2 жыл бұрын

    Ahh I relate so much to the sp-first guy saying how much he hates ppl mucking up things at work & being thrown out of whack by the tiniest bs like the temperature or room size This is why I'm a writer and could not do a more collaborative art like being a filmmaker or band member cause the cooperation aspect stresses me almost more than whatever the actual task is. Always hated group projects. I guess if I'm honest it could be a control thing of wanting to decide it all myself, idk

  • @lauriecampbell1378
    @lauriecampbell13784 жыл бұрын

    I can relate to Michael saying that, "It will teach me what it wants to be." In order to do things the way they should be done, money can't be a large factor. I've done a lot of home remodeling on my person house and my rental properties that I own. I have to have the freedom to create a cohesive design without being hindered by a budget I have to stick to because it might ruin my vision and end product. I have to be happy with my end product.

  • @dulceaguirre4111
    @dulceaguirre41114 жыл бұрын

    Knowing a reason for things is definitely important for fives. Knowledge is power. But sometimes we will not know some things, that is something I need to work on.

  • @duartepereira7255
    @duartepereira72552 жыл бұрын

    This was great, so informing and enlightening. Thanks very much ! 1. I'm definitely more me when I am at home _ retreat. And not much of a fan of surprises, true. 2. I actually like talking about my feelings, and I am capable of doing so...but ..not surely after i retreat.. Not when experiencing them in a group/social conversation. 3. Clearly the Purpose-driven -> Center OR Periphery guy. That nailed it, for me. It's great to discover the nuances and little subtleties of the core types. Thank you again Cheers from Portugal !

  • @seforaker
    @seforaker3 жыл бұрын

    im 5w6 INTJ and I am highly sensitive to my environment

  • @orangeziggy348
    @orangeziggy3484 жыл бұрын

    15:36 What is difficult about owning type 5? The pain that I have to confront, that causes me to be a 5; The 5 doesn’t want to confront that pain.

  • @12les
    @12les3 жыл бұрын

    I recently discovered the enneagram and have typed as 5w6 Self-Pres instinct. I used to think there was something “wrong” with me and always felt different or like an outsider. Funny enough I thought I was a 7, but that was just me in my direction of stress (probably for way too long). I love learning but also doing as I need to see how things work and then solution accordingly. I am thee master of procrastination (I struggle to contain my thoughts and ideas and all the million things I want to do). My mind is all over the place. It was liberating to learn that I am in fact normal :-) Just have a lot of learning and growing to do now, but atleast I have a starting point. I am also a mom to a young child and this has been the most overwhelming experience of my life. My son is extremely outspoken (loud), emotional and is an empath so he gives me serious anxiety 😂 He is definitely challenging me to address my weaknesses. This panel is interesting, I relate a bit to all of them but mostly to Terry and to some extent also the lady in terms of having a thing with competency, getting things right, doing things well etc (I’m just not a planner or organised in any way).

  • @macoeur1122
    @macoeur11224 жыл бұрын

    As a five myself (I believe) I really related strongly to the thing about being perfectly fine and even enjoying relating/sharing...but only if there's a true "interest" (Richard) and/or a "purpose" (Michael) for the sharing. It feels something like a waste of both my and others precious time to be talking just for the sake of talking...or even being in a group of people when nothing is really needed from me...in which case I'd rather be somewhere else...even off in my own thoughts, if I find myself "stuck" in such a group (that economy of time is a big thing for me) When Tracey said she'd like to know ahead of time what someone wanted to speak with her about, I can't help but think that too may partly be about wanting to know the "purpose" in order to make the best use of the interaction....That's what it would be for me. I tend to feel a bit "lost" and "aimless" and maybe even a little unconsciously "worried" that I might be wasting time if the general purpose of the interaction isn't "on the table".

  • @DreamQuillRose

    @DreamQuillRose

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can totally relate. I want to use every second of my time for something useful. If I'm in a situation where I have to just stand around while others talk about things I'm not interested in, I'll shift my mind to other things so as not to waste the time.

  • @DanaDoes
    @DanaDoes5 жыл бұрын

    Great panel. I caught myself nodding along in agreeance as they shared their experiences.

  • @conquistadorcrabton5265
    @conquistadorcrabton52653 жыл бұрын

    I love Beatrice and Michael. This series is amazing!

  • @conquistadorcrabton5265

    @conquistadorcrabton5265

    3 жыл бұрын

    The first guy is definely a 5 to me! The third guy reminds me of Richard Rohr a lot. I also think Micheal may be a 1 or 4.

  • @conquistadorcrabton5265

    @conquistadorcrabton5265

    3 жыл бұрын

    Micheal talks about purpose and being a lot more than the first guy.

  • @bmae3055
    @bmae305511 ай бұрын

    I also compartmentalize. I would describe it as a way to get through the moment without being affected by the emotions that are triggered by the moment. Like 'ok I'm putting you (person, feeling, thoughts on the situation) in this box and I'll come back to you when I'm alone and I can analyze you. I want to observe and take in the moment and I can't if I'm analyzing. Also I won't be able to analyze if I'm distracted by what's happening around me in this moment.

  • @carolinesmith727
    @carolinesmith7274 жыл бұрын

    As a 5 watching this I imagine these people wanted this lady to shorten her intro SIGNIFICANTLY

  • @cherishtheday2223

    @cherishtheday2223

    3 жыл бұрын

    I completely skipped most of it,

  • @DeeDeex007o

    @DeeDeex007o

    8 ай бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣🤣👌

  • @938quilt
    @938quilt4 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying this!

  • @ryan-ws8tr
    @ryan-ws8tr3 жыл бұрын

    Interesting to consider the difference between a 5’s “purpose” as a kind of shell or way of blending in and a 1’s “purpose” as a mission to improve the world, despite the interpersonal division it can create. I related to the five description for years before I discovered that my knowledge wasn’t a cover to protect me socially, but rather something I pursued with conviction despite the evidence of it pushing others away as I incorporated and acted upon that knowledge (and fully expected others to do the same).

  • @sharontan4058
    @sharontan40585 жыл бұрын

    Very useful for an 8 to learn about 5s from the panel which according to Bea is where our growth challenge point is. We are probably the most opposite apart from 9s.

  • @kitrinakearfott1056
    @kitrinakearfott10563 жыл бұрын

    10:10 first panelist begins speaking. "The truth kills us" --- anonymous/unknown. It takes courage to hear the truth and "die" in order to REALLY LIVE.

  • @sammysofa1511
    @sammysofa15114 жыл бұрын

    Is it appropriate or ironic that, as a 5, when she said "5s fear feeling," I felt that?

  • @julial.r.5383

    @julial.r.5383

    10 ай бұрын

    Appropriate... I fear the possibility of feeling so strongly (in a social setting) that I would risk losing control of my emotions in public, and they turn out not being socially acceptable lol. Showing feeling too much and seem irrational (or being not so rational, which would feel humiliating). Not in control sounds like a beating sentence. I'm not dangerous btw, I'm talking of feelings related to Respect of people and nature, and so on. I think in my case it's due to trauma in childhood. Intrusion

  • @KendrixTermina
    @KendrixTermina2 жыл бұрын

    It's interesting for me as a social-last to see what the social subtype is like, especially since a lot of the descriptions of it just sound like some arrogant snob or something. Seeing this last guy talk it's more like... he's rly into tackling worthwhile projects. Sounds rly admirable actually.

  • @zheliu9604
    @zheliu96043 жыл бұрын

    I wish the host could define the questions well, as a type 5, if you just ask me a random question, it feels really difficult to answer the question. What I do in that situation is trying very hard to define that question first.

  • @mirakocherhans7836
    @mirakocherhans78362 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate them elucidating the thought process of a social five! So foreign to me, in terms of understanding and being comfortable with group dynamics 😅

  • @Me-xn7kx
    @Me-xn7kx Жыл бұрын

    I relate so much to the first 5 guy. I just want to hug him and tell him it's ok to be himself. I am a female 5 and I feel everything he says so much.

  • @nonamenoidea9792
    @nonamenoidea97923 ай бұрын

    I love that the guy on the far left embraces his sexual instinct. He talks to the group as if he’s talking one on one. He shares most intimately. He speaks as if we know him already and he knows us. That’s how I am as well. I also need special one on one time with partner to recharge. He’s a 9. And we both enjoy being alone together. Glad you were present sir. You are a wonderful human being.

  • @marinacorsini4777
    @marinacorsini47773 жыл бұрын

    I agree with Tracy, the enneagram 8 Self Preservation wants to protect not control. Even if they come across as controlling, its not thier intention.

  • @milo_thatch_incarnate
    @milo_thatch_incarnate3 жыл бұрын

    38:00 was the most relatable part out of all of this 😂 -- and that's not to say that most of it wasn't relatable, because it was. I just especially loved that part.

  • @nicoleleithwood
    @nicoleleithwood2 жыл бұрын

    I am practicing ease, surrender and trusting my inner self, to connect and to feel. Yet, when meditating, I can hear a panicking, fretting, fearful voice in my head screaming, "I don't understand"... And once I hear it, I feel angry... Because not understanding/knowing everything makes me fearful and angry. What Michael said.. I needed to hear.. Lol and I am ready to hear

  • @KendrixTermina
    @KendrixTermina2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I think I also find it easier to answer specific questions than to like shoot free flow, that's something I noticed while writing profiles for online presences. If there's just a big "description" field it often end up blank or two sentences, but if there's a bunch of specific fields to fill out or questions to answer that works. this also comes out when I'm talking to others, & I've seen that I have to be careful how I phrase things there cause asking questions can come off as doubting or presuming when I'm just trying to understand some distinction or detail about the other person's situation, & then they're like "You're not listening!" or "Don't you believe me?" which is the opposite of helping. IDK if this is more an INTP than a 5 thing & would be different for, say, an IxTJ type, but I'm always building a mental model/representation of what the person is describing to try & understand & make logical inferences about their problem, & where it's still vague I'm gonna ask "Is it like this and this?" or "Is it this option or that option?" Though it's hardly useful to argue that I was actually listening if the person doesn't count what I had to say as relevant or valuable because they think I wasn't. This would be easier if I were better at telling when people are done speaking. Well. i guess i gotta keep trying to figure it out

  • @jasonjase8661
    @jasonjase86613 жыл бұрын

    I'm a five type, I feel the lack of public emotional expression is the desire (and ability) to control ones state of being.

  • @lizr6313
    @lizr63139 ай бұрын

    super informative. Great work!

  • @baylorbearess
    @baylorbearess4 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed seeing this panel of 5s; seems like there aren't many of them! Particularly female 5s. I am 5w4 and think I am a 1:1 subtype, so I wish they'd had a 1:1 on this panel. Otherwise, it was helpful to hear the different perspectives from the other two subtypes.

  • @badpoetry33

    @badpoetry33

    8 ай бұрын

    I’m also a 5w4, SX instinct. Go us!

  • @KirurUwU
    @KirurUwU4 жыл бұрын

    Nice panel! Unfortunately, there was no one who was sure they are a 5 Sx. Only the man on the left considers it, but might also be a 5 So. I previously thought I'm a 4, but I can't relate that much to the three subtype descriptions of the 4, aside from the core of the type itself. 5 Sx however deeply resonates with me. I can relate to a lot of things the man on the left said about purpose and needing an emotional connection despite being very reserved. I always thought those things would indicate me being a 4. Now I'm trying to figure out if 5 Sx is the right type for me. It's still quite hard though.

  • @stephenvankleeck4801

    @stephenvankleeck4801

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yozora Yamikoe The Sx 5 does have some overlap with the type 4. I’m a 5w6 and have been wondering where this 4 energy was coming from (feeling the need to create something unique on my own as opposed to attaching to a corporate type job). The more I dug into the Sx 5 the more clear it became, but it can feel very polarizing with a 6 wing demanding security and a sexual instinct demanding a deeper experience with reality.

  • @AImusicandart

    @AImusicandart

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes that is my subtype too and I agree, a LOT of 4 tendencies.

  • @AImusicandart

    @AImusicandart

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@stephenvankleeck4801 I tend to feel like my 6 wing is how I relate with the external world most of the time while I feel a greater resonance with 5w4 sx as more true to my inner being. But I suspect I may potentially be a 5w6 sx, as you are. Since that would explain a lot of why I have struggled to express my 4 tendencies ever since I entered the workforce.

  • @everwintergreen
    @everwintergreen Жыл бұрын

    Frustrating as a Sx subtype 5 to not see one on the panel. Because we're so different, and the other types really need to see that and recognize that it's still the 5 fixation. It just presents so differently than the 5 stereotype.

  • @abt9594
    @abt95943 жыл бұрын

    "Social" 5 here and definitely relate to the third speaker.

  • @adelita2115
    @adelita21152 жыл бұрын

    So nurturing, thanks Beatrice! I'm a self-preservation 4 with a strong sexual 5 wing...

  • @nicoledigiacomo5567
    @nicoledigiacomo55672 жыл бұрын

    I am just becoming aware of the enneagram and finding a deeper connection to myself as a 9. I recently became aware of the Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) has anybody told Terry that he might be? That realization has changed my life for the better and highly recommend Dr. Elaine Aaron's book.

  • @rimoumamari7346
    @rimoumamari73464 жыл бұрын

    I am a 4w5 and can relate a lot

  • @mhspalding1
    @mhspalding12 жыл бұрын

    Hi I’m a 4. I love what the lady said at 1:18 about pushing loved ones away to test them. She said she’s realized that it helps if her loved one doesn’t let her totally push away and keeps a connection… but my question is how do we know when to help in that way versus let you have your much needed time and space? It’s hard to know what to do with 5s because I want to respect their need to withdraw… how can we know when to reach out vs give space?

  • @nonamenoidea9792
    @nonamenoidea97923 ай бұрын

    The guy on the far right is hilariously disengaged lol . I love that he blank stares when everyone else is laughing.

  • @StLennyBruce
    @StLennyBruce7 ай бұрын

    Terry's share: 10:13 to 20:55

  • @Chriscrossapplesauce
    @Chriscrossapplesauce Жыл бұрын

    Love this

  • @timmcdraw7568
    @timmcdraw75682 жыл бұрын

    I'm a 5 and im autistic too! I always wondered how much of these things interacted with each other, and listening to the sergion talking about his experience was so enlightening. I don't mean to diagnose anyone for them, and I have no idea if he's autistic, but... I was just really happy to listen to him.

  • @JM-pp5ji

    @JM-pp5ji

    Жыл бұрын

    I picked up on that from the beginning. I agree and think he’s on the spectrum also and was shocked and impressed when I realized he was surgeon. I imagine a brilliant one too!

  • @Bozpot
    @Bozpot3 жыл бұрын

    I identify very much with Trac(e)y's compartmentalisation of everything.

  • @happystripedelephant3482
    @happystripedelephant34823 жыл бұрын

    36: 48 I had to laugh when they started talking about five's being boring and what goes on inside their head during a two minute conversation. On the outside, the conversation looks boring, but inside there's more than fifty thoughts. On a daily basis, I have to keep a piece of paper in my pocket at all times, to write down thoughts that I don't want to forget or I won't stop thinking about it. I probably look like a crazy lunatic when I jot down my thoughts on paper, because it literally can become a stream of consciousness.

  • @BladexZero12

    @BladexZero12

    3 жыл бұрын

    Omg! This is me lol. I have a giant whiteboard in my room just for jotting down and organizing my thoughts. And I always think, "I should get a planner or a small notebook for when I'm on the go". (I have a planner on my phone but using both physical and virtual helps me remember stuff)

  • @happystripedelephant3482

    @happystripedelephant3482

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BladexZero12 I strongly recommend a notebook or at least a small notepad. I do jot things I need to do on my phone when I can't physically write it down.

  • @Mordred14394
    @Mordred143947 ай бұрын

    As a 5, I agree with what was mentioned on the party with all of my friends in different aspects in life being together. I never thought of it until now, but that's one of the major reasons I don't want a wedding ceremony, with the reception and all. Idk how I'll deal with all those people.

  • @user-vu6tr1bi1b
    @user-vu6tr1bi1b4 жыл бұрын

    I am type 5. It is impossible for me to talk in front of the camera like this.

  • @stephenvankleeck4801

    @stephenvankleeck4801

    4 жыл бұрын

    さゆぽん It’s a good practice for growth. Presenting my and my team’s analysis is part of my job and while it was very anxiety inducing initially, I’ve learned that I have what it takes to present myself and my research.

  • @caffemocca8855

    @caffemocca8855

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm social five and I like public speaking as long as it is regarding my expertise. I hate being misinformed very much so unless I'm very sure I'm correct in my knowledge and understanding, I will NEVER accept such public invitations.

  • @Gabbargaamada

    @Gabbargaamada

    2 жыл бұрын

    Jordan Peterson is 5

  • @twhitten828
    @twhitten8285 жыл бұрын

    @1:05- once you learned you ate a 5, what have you done to grow yourself? I relate best to the oldest gentleman 5. Before I knew of the Ennaegram, I was always 'hyper-aware' f my Self, Others, and my surroundings. I recognized my Fear of 'others', the spotlight, exposure and open/unexpected situations. I got upset of the -boundry that my own fear placed around me. So... I took my strong 8 AND my 7...and through myself into 'plublic' situations. I was always afraid and uncomfortable.... But.. I soon realized that 'they' either could not 'see me' (my fears) or they didn't (have the capacity) to KNOW, the differrence. This freed me up so much. I LOVE to study ppl. Because of my 'fear' of them. Action, inspite (or because of my fear) has made a compromise/conecction(?) With ppl. I have been in contact with 10 x 1,000's of ppl over 40 yrs now. The learning is endless... And it is reciprocal... I helped them and they help me (learn) ❤🤔🤓

  • @MKing-tw1ff

    @MKing-tw1ff

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a five. People often tell me I'm super confident, which always surprises me. I guess because I never feel confident, about anything really. I also love to observe people and try to figure them out.

  • @Henripostant
    @Henripostant2 жыл бұрын

    Here are the most "typical" sentences of the 5s in this panel : ➡"I never understood what people's reactions were to me." ➡"I like to go back and visit an experience." ➡"And unless it's not clearly stated it's not really clear for me." ➡"Hard to put into words." ➡"I thought I was helping." ➡"There are so many grey areas." ➡"Sense of scarcity is really an illusion." ➡"It's a pretty intricate filling system." ➡"Oh, I will let them do their type." ➡"So many mental associations going on all the time." ➡"An efficiency thing." ➡"If I don't have a purpose, I really don't want to go." ➡"Release" seems to be an important word for 5s. ➡I" have the backstories but they don't come out as it does for the 4."

  • @KendrixTermina
    @KendrixTermina2 жыл бұрын

    I defs relate to the experience of being relieved when finding out (& seeing that this apparently common for my type which cause at the beginning I was undecided between 4w5 and 5w4, but the 4s tend to say that their response was more like... 'oh no, there's MORE people like this?' like they don't want the competition at the uniqueness olympics ) - I mean, it was embarrassing, too (esp. because I'd always seen the pursuit of knowledge and objectivity as this noble, enlightened goal that is the one way we have of rising above animal impulses like fear - the idea of making a childish coping mechanism out of it seems almost like sacrilege, & I used to really hate ppl who would be elitist & arrogant about how smart they are because hubris is the very opposite of objectivity), but more than that there was the feeling of "Ah, I'm not the only one who sees this, I'm not mad" & it just made other people make a whole lot more sense to have this framework to contextualize where their focus might be different.

  • @adelefliegler5684

    @adelefliegler5684

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think 5 and 4 have a particular tension because they are in many ways mirrors of each other. They both feel alienated from others, but 5s experience the flow of energy from the outside in while 4s move their energy from the inside out. 5s cope by drawing from the outside in the hopes of fitting in. They take in everything around them, which is why it is so draining for them to be with others. It is often lonely feeling like there is something fundamental missing about you, so it is a relief to know they are not unique. 4s have the opposite movement of energy. They tend to bring their inner selves outward to get recognition from others. They have a keen ability to express their individual pain in a way that feels universal, and they tend to see it as a good thing that they don’t fit in with the regular crowd. I am a 5w4 and I have been close with many 4w5s which gives me a strong sense of where those differences are.

  • @oreoorva
    @oreoorva3 жыл бұрын

    SAY IT AND LEAVE! 😭😂 They seem such a chill and relatable panel. I relate to Terry trying to navigate social situations. It's hard. "46:15 I'm not comfortable with groups of people unless I have a purpose." I realised this when my workplace wanted to arrange a get-together just to eat and chat. I had the same approach to dating. I disliked sitting down and eating face to face, chatting about mundane things. I preferred bringing someone to a bookstore, watch a movie/performance or even engaging in an activity. It helps me know a person's thought process/interests and also gets me out of my head ,and relax.

  • @KendrixTermina
    @KendrixTermina2 жыл бұрын

    So as a sp 5 I actually have the combo that's the hardest to get your shit together with? IDK if I should be relieved (since less 'my fault' if it's genuinely difficult) or discouraged. Well. Nothing to do but to keep trying I guess. I gotta commend the rightmost for just... getting the words out about something unpleasant like this, it didn't look easy.

  • @emilyabbey5761
    @emilyabbey57612 жыл бұрын

    I relate to Richard :) He comes off as warm like a 7 but his brain works like a 5. I thought I was a 7 too 🥰

  • @grannytrez
    @grannytrez Жыл бұрын

    I am an eight, but at different times I will fall back to the five depending on the situation . There have been times when I have had to sit at a desk with absolutely nothing to do but sit at that desk by kids and say wow you must go and say that’s got to be boring and my responses I’ve never been bored in my life. Can you just give me a little piece of board so I will know what that feels like 😂😊

  • @aminshatnawealshatnawi3015
    @aminshatnawealshatnawi30154 жыл бұрын

    Someone told me about this and said I should take the test cause they thought I was a 5 .. I was. Neat

  • @offintonebula
    @offintonebula3 жыл бұрын

    This was interesting

  • @Nerdylady
    @Nerdylady Жыл бұрын

    Leaving the room to be in solitude so we can deliver a long ass message to you via text sounds about right

  • @docsari69
    @docsari692 жыл бұрын

    which is the one to one 5 ?