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@user-bw4ec4bm2t

3 жыл бұрын

What a coincidence you uploaded this i just heard about the battle lately, nice vid!

@Mohammadkwt

3 жыл бұрын

Hello HistoryMarche, I would like to suggest following battles: the sixth crusade, seventh crusader, & liberation of Jerusalem under Salahddin’s command.

@user-mb1nz2vw9z

3 жыл бұрын

Dear HistoryMarche, if you call yourselves history chanel, then please, use historically accurate names (not Kiev but Kyiw, not Russian principalities, but Kyiwan Rus and other) thank you for understanding

@olexandrs6639

3 жыл бұрын

U confuse RUS' and Russians. russians did not existed till 18th century when Peter I The Great created Russian empire which were based on Muscovite Tsardom.

@skov1949

3 жыл бұрын

Could you do more battles with Ghengis Khan? Loved this video!

Genghis khan: "maybe the real treasure is the kingdoms we destroyed along the way"

@jantekjantek

3 жыл бұрын

more like kublaikhan

@johnnyboy3410

Жыл бұрын

how ? Kublai Khan just conquered China, single kingdom while Genghis made it to fucking Persia

Love that the one leader of the Russians who thought they shouldn't attack was killed in battle, but the two that wanted to fight managed to escape. Life is so fair...

@xotl2780

3 жыл бұрын

In total fairness, the Rus didn't want to fight this battle anyway. The justification used was that if the Mongols weren't defeated here, the Cumans would inevitably join them in an anti-Rus alliance. Sort of what happened anyway, but the Mongols as we know them wasn't how the Rus knew them.

@smith9157

2 жыл бұрын

Very similar case at the battle of Cannae, two consular armies each led by a consul they took turns each other day being in charge of the whole army. One consul wanted to attack the other didn’t. Just waited a day attacked and then escaped while his other consul Lucius died along with majority of his army.

@frankmayse9336

2 жыл бұрын

@@xotl2780 q

@francescoruggiero7140

Жыл бұрын

Same situation at Cannae. Romans vs Carthaginians.

@AXharoth

Жыл бұрын

this shit was depressing

Being an envoy is much safer career than being a soldier they told me..

@xotl2780

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe not. The Mongols lost a lot of men and horses while they were crossing the caucasus into Europe

@googane7755

2 жыл бұрын

@@xotl2780 The envoys had to cross too...

@thatWanderingSoul

2 жыл бұрын

Entering a proud sovereign foreign court and making unreasonable demands on behalf of their Khan. Those envoys must have balls of steel 😂😂

@EchoVortex713

Ай бұрын

⁠@@thatWanderingSoulUnreasonable demand? Was there any reasonable demand from other conquerors throughout the history? Mongols highly respected envoys it was in their culture . Killing envoys is barbaric and shows that Russians didn’t know about diplomacy before mongols came . Just look at what happened to Khwarazmia they paid for their crimes Russians should have known better . Also Mongols demanded wasn’t unreasonable they just told Russians to hand over the kypchak Turks who fled away from Mongols .

I've never seen such a clear explanation of this battles history, well done.

@trackingthealgorithm221

3 жыл бұрын

Should listen to Dan Carlin’s podcast series wrath of the khans. It’s very good, as is this!

@no-hn1pn

3 жыл бұрын

@@trackingthealgorithm221 it brought me here.

@alphaomarbarry6511

Жыл бұрын

This man knows how to explain history good i love his Chanel

People always think they're wiser with hindsight and wonder why in some battles a general falls for an 'obvious' feigned retreat. This video perfectly encapsulates just how convincing and how easy it is to fall for a well executed feigned retreat actually is. Think about it, the enemy is fleeing before you, you seem to win every engagements with them and they look like they completely lost all cohesion and morale as they scatter in all directions and leave all their valuables behind, victory is within reach and your men seem to get ever more excited to chase them down. Even if you knew despite all this and had the better judgement to stop, you'll get ridiculed for squandering the opportunity and labelled as a coward. It's almost human nature.

@13redlion13

Жыл бұрын

not to mention that it is very easy to control some units on a map. It's a lot different controlling an army of 80000 individuals

All of this is wild knowing that the Mongols were complete strangers to this land, and they were basically just a recon force.

Battle of Kalka is one of the most talked battle and clearly shows the tactical genius of Subutai.

@BudMasta

2 жыл бұрын

in the top 5 generals of history.

@Orgil.

2 жыл бұрын

fun fact Subeedei is not in charge Zurgaadai(JEBE) is the real deal he was teacher and commander of Subeedei

@johnnyboy3410

Жыл бұрын

No

@lemonacidrounds7293

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but it doesn't make sense. What the Mongols did they could've done it at 10:57 . I didn't see much change in their army later when they won the battle. They are the same size. The positioning of the Russian army was the same the entire time - marching like a train. Part of the army leading, part of the army following, followed by another part followed by another part. Everything was literally the same - there was a narrow space with a river on both fronts. Does retreating gives courage to attack later?

@TrollDragomir

Жыл бұрын

@@lemonacidrounds7293 Maybe they considered crossing Kalka as getting to a "safe zone" from which they could more easily retreat east back to the Mongol Empire (note that this was a raid, hit and run tactics and not really an invasion). Another thing is that they may have suspected that the Cuman-Rus army has trouble with cohesion, and counted on them being more disorganized and demoralized after a long, fruitless chase. And maybe the terrain was more favorable there in ways which map doesn't show.

I finally understood how this battle went, I have read a few times over the years about it, I watched the small K&G part dedicated to her, but only now I understand, thank you History Marche

The Georgians were lucky that they were preparing for a Crusade when the Mongols showed up. So there wasn't the usual time needed for mustering and training, they were as ready as they ould be, considering a strange unknown army showed up on their doorstep. And still were defeated.

@makky6239

3 жыл бұрын

They were mongols after all, great empires like China and persia were defeated, what little Georgia could have done? At least they resisted some time, and the Mongols gave them a place in the sack of Baghdad Lol

@g.sergiusfidenas6650

3 жыл бұрын

That explains why they managed to field such a large army, lucky them I guess all things considered. Not sure why but it reminds me of the story of some Hungarian missionaries that travelled to the lands their people had come from centuries before to preach there, then they returned home and then back again to the steppe lands of the Magyars only to find then devastated by the Mongols, I guess to me both show the terror of being attacked by unknown nigh invincible warriors, no wonder they were called the Scourge of God.

@googane7755

3 жыл бұрын

The Georgians were fully mobilised for the crusade and had amassed a large number of heavy cavalry. It is speculated that the Georgians could've been the turning point in the fifth crusade as the crusaders waited for Georgian reinforcements that never came. Queen Rasudan would later write to the pope that the georgia was unable to participate as the georgian army was decimated by a mysterious horde.

@nomooon

3 жыл бұрын

@@makky6239 defeated for different reasons. The Asian armies at that time were weak, and cannot go toe to toe with the Mongolians. The Europeans armies were powerful and would've beaten Mongolians in a direct fight, but the Europeans were not well disciplined and unable to cope with steppe tactics.

@qus.9617

3 жыл бұрын

@@nomooon Why do you say Asian armies were weak at that time. Everything I have read suggest a differest story. The scope of warfare and mobilisation of resources in Asia was unprecedented at the time compared to the rest of the world and different theatres of Mongol war. As one example the Ly-Song war as an example involved more than a hundred thousand troops. The siege of Xiangyang took 5 years and involved passing a 150-metre moat, 8,000 defenders, 100,000 besiegers, 5,000 navy ships, 100+ trebuchets (mostly anti-personnel rotatable traction trebuchets that could moved around the field easily and rotatable), 20+counterweight trebuchets. At the time of the final conquest of all China under the Mongol banner, 70% of the invasion force were han Chinese from northern China and local southern recruitments during the invasion. The fortress of Diaoyu was where a Mongol Khan died either from disease or injury. It repulsed 200 Mongol attacks and endured for thirty-six years. Yanzhou was a Song dynasty fortification combining three cities into one fortress. The Song added multiple barbicans, fortified the sections of the fortress, constructed a citadel and then artificially flooded the three cities together. Then then added additional gatehouses, gate forts to guard the remaining land paths. The Chinese states were also very capable of altering the landscapes which in itself could easily be some of the greatest fortifications. One of this environmental alteration is the Song Dynasty Water Great Wall. The system was completed in 1 year and was 400 km long with the widest point being 30 km wide. The smallest lake measured approximately 5 km in length and width. The largest measured 55 km in length and 60 km in width. As the Water Great Wall freeze during winter, the Song also built elm tree palisades along the Water Great Wall to hinder or block the movement of Liao cavalry. From a report from the Dingzhou Pacification Commissioner to the emperor, the depth of the forests in Dingzhou were in excess of 25 km before logging bans were relaxed. The waterways and forests actually complemented one another to strengthen the borders of Song against deadly nomadic invasions. The waterways provided water and nutrients for the forests as well as a hydraulic highway for troop mobilization. And on the other hand during periods of low water depth and winter when the lakes froze over like a frozen highway the forests ensured that the exposed northern capital situated on alluvial plains would have time to prepare against a cavalry invasion. During this time, China was experimenting with molten metal bombs, cast-iron bombs, highly flammable bombs, smoke bombs, poison bombs, sticky bombs, fuse trap bombs, fire-arrows, fire-arrow pod launchers, proto-gun flamethrowers, paddleboats etc. While engaged in a war with the Mongols, in 1259 the official Li Zengbo wrote... the city of Qingzhou was manufacturing one to *two-thousand* strong iron-cased bomb shells a month, dispatching to Xiangyang and Yingzhou about ten to twenty thousand such bombs at a time. Triple-bed crossbows reached it's zenith under the Song dynasty. According to Juvayni, Hulagu Khan brought with him 3,000 giant crossbows from China... and a team of Chinese technicians to work a great 'ox bow' shooting large bolts a distance of 2,500 paces, which was used at the siege of Maymun Diz. According to the Wujing Zongyao, these weapons had a range of 450 meters while other Song sources give ranges of more than double that. Constructing these weapons, especially the casting of the large triggers, and their operation required the highest order of technical expertise available at the time.

Lured them into the Steppes Mongols: You have no Power here!!!!!

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

Mongols in Indonesian islands: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!! Mongols in Vietnamese humid zones: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!!! Mongols in the Pacific Ocean: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!! Mongols in the Holy Land: YOU LOST YOUR POWER HERE!!!

@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz

3 жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei all these lands r far away from Mongols unlike Persia or China Europe & other countries u mentioned only one Wave of Mongol Attack Where as other kingdom's faced unending wars from Mongols

@DailyDipo

3 жыл бұрын

Battle advantage +2

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

@@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz Vietnam was invaded by the Mongol Empire 3 times, and beat it every single time. :-)

@yajrobot

3 жыл бұрын

@@scintillam_dei with pretty large cannons on an elephants lol

Jebe(Zev in Mongolian language) was the overall commander of this campaign. he was higher ranking general than Subutai(Subedei) and he was the one of best general of Chingis khaan if not best. but died during Russian campaign.

I mean they really didn't have a choice, trust the deceivers that offer the olive branch in one hand and a long knife in the other... or die to dehydration.

@UnicornstalkRGaming

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eGFttJZydtyydrQ.html Yes.

@samuelmargueret9626

3 жыл бұрын

Go look at baz battel king and generals ect you will like them

@MrJH101

2 жыл бұрын

Hindsight is always 20/20, but seeing as how their army would get wiped out and the Cumans later joined the Mongols anyway, they should’ve just taken that earlier alliance and avoided all this in the first place; one Rus prince would later do so and it worked out great for him. As for how the Mongols treated them towards the end of this particular battle, that was to showcase to everyone as to why one should never kill messengers. Every time one of their envoys gets killed, the Mongols always wanted to set an example for others as to how brutal they would be if diplomatic immunity was no longer respected.

@quincy189

Жыл бұрын

@@MrJH101 every envoy must be avenged

*Subutai uses heavy cavalry charge instead of horse archers* Koten Khan: Wait, that's illegal.

@michaelmanning5379

3 жыл бұрын

It's not "illegal" as much as "ill advised" because light cavalry will scatter and draw you out of position. In this case, the Cumans were in a pocket formed by a bend in the river and didn't have the space to evade. Essentially, this is Agincourt in reverse - lightly-armed archers cannot hope to stand against heavy anything without superior mobility or a barrier to protect them.

@neutralfellow9736

3 жыл бұрын

Both Mongols and Turks constantly used heavy cavalry, it is just that they are rarely mentioned, despite basically all their battles being won by cavalry charges, not archery by itself

@neutralfellow9736

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmanning5379 Real life is not total war, troop positioning is not nearly as quick and easy as you might think, and heavy cavalry can indeed smash into light cavalry before the light cavalry, in large numbers, has time to reform into retreat and start moving. This happened quite often, for example at Montgisard, Arsuf, and even in the initial stage of this battle, at the beginning of the video. Hell, the Romans managed to do so with infantry, most famously by Publius Ventidius Bassus, and of course, Lucius Lucullus, who actually managed to even outflank a cavalry force with infantry. The reason he managed to do so is what I stated above in the first sentence.

@michaelmanning5379

3 жыл бұрын

@@neutralfellow9736 I have never played Total War. I just read history books.

@neutralfellow9736

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmanning5379 Read primary sources as well then, also read military history specifically on troop movement and positioning prior to the 19th century. Think about it, from the effective range of a bow, you have maybe 150ish m of distance between your light cavalry formation and the heavy cavalry enemy formation, if the heavy cavalry starts charging at you, you have 12-13m/s movement, meaning you have roughly 10-15 seconds from the time the enemy starts charging, to the moment of impact. The very notion that your front rank will have enough time to tell the ranks behind them to turn around and start fleeing is entirely tied to the fact of your rank positioning at the time. If you are engaged towards the enemy, it is incredibly unlikely that you will have time to tell all the ranks formed behind you to turn around and start fleeing and that the entire formation will be able to re-rout themselves in flight in such a short time frame, and it is quite likely that the heavy cavalry will smash into you. If you are positioned in a manner of sideways engagements, you have a better chance though. However, with massive numbers and large formations in major battles, this is far, far more difficult. This not even going into the notion of horse fatigue and size/speed of different horses, especially compared between Middle Eastern and European larger horses to the smaller and slower Mongolian pony. Now, I am not arguing that this was always the case, merely that things were far, far more complicated than light cav = fast.

Outstanding presentation. The Subutai and Jebe raid is stuff of the legends. These mongol warlords and their troops were peerless warriors.

Mongols gave a whole new meaning to the word "monster".

@Mr.LaughingDuck

3 жыл бұрын

and "Diplomatic Immunity"

@ivokantarski6220

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.LaughingDuck hahaha

@lovsanus1998

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.LaughingDuck more like "diplomatic revenge"

@Go4Broke247

3 жыл бұрын

Horde

@thekhans2823

3 жыл бұрын

How ???? A monster doesn't do innumberable good things, a Monster isn't honourable, A monster isn't civilized. A monster isn't like mongols

I can imagine this was very frustrating for the rus. I see some comments saying that they should've kept in formation and done this and that before the battle, but none of that actually matters if the enemy refuses to give you battle. The only way they could've caught up with the mongols was if they chased as aggressively as they did and subutai exploited that perfectly.

@IseekHonestY

2 жыл бұрын

is easy to play quarterback 1 thousand years later....KZread has endless of military tactic geniuses

@rednek666

8 ай бұрын

They should have stayed behind the Dniepro river and never chase anyone in the first place, it`s a great defensive postition especially against cavalry.

@googane7755

8 ай бұрын

@@rednek666 That's where the problem lied, they needed a battle because it was a coalition and no one knew if they could come together the next time the mongols invaded. Also many of the men needed to return home to their farms to harvest and were very anxious to get the campaign over with, they could not just sit around.

Khwarazmian Shah: *Executes Mongol envoys* Genghis Khan: Here we go again

@Mori_Fu

3 жыл бұрын

Mongol General: How many times till you learn your lesson old man

@MusicReign

3 жыл бұрын

"So you have chosen death!"

@michimatsch5862

3 жыл бұрын

Vae executor: Tokio Drift.

@67lionsoflisbon37

3 жыл бұрын

Ye have to give it to the Mongols; they found a hobby and took it seriously.

@dustintacohands1107

3 жыл бұрын

@@67lionsoflisbon37 21 century we have nukes 13 century you have mongal horde... not as cost effective but much more through.

I have heard many historians postulate that the commander killed by mistislavich was actually the great Jebe the Arrow himself. He dies in this campaign but no one really knows how, in true mongolian fashion.

@patrickleonard4187

3 жыл бұрын

In keeping with seeming Mongol tradition, nobody knows for sure. They didnt call their own history The Secret History for nothing. We know a commander was captured and executed, and no mention of Jebe being alive is made past that. Almost no one ever records their military mistakes and losses truthfully. It's just bad for legitimacy. But again, no one knows for sure.

@kevinkertarahardja1836

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickleonard4187 well they are not the biggest fan of writing things. even their greatest general achievement only unveiled like 500 years later

@googane7755

Жыл бұрын

I mean they were steppe nomads, nobody has time to write down their history much less read. It's funny to me though that almost all the written history comes from the people they conquered and later from khans who commissioned their subordinates to write shit down for them. They were busy making history rather than writing it.

thank you historymarche & hoc est bellum. tied up under heavy logs, feeling every boot celebrating on top. Brutal.

Fun little trivia facts: 1. That "small garrison" Genghis Khan left in China was under the command of the great general Muqali, who with limited resources nearly conquered all of the Chin territory completely in the Khans absence. He was never defeated in battle, and his loyalty to the Khan was legendary. 2. There's a decent chance thatJebe (pronounced Zev) Noyan was the "Mongol commander" killed in the vanguard before the battle, leaving Subudai in charge. This if nothing else would explain why Jebe was never seen alive again after this campaign. 3. Most historians who research this battle could pretty well guarantee you that the coalition army, though large, would not have even approached 80,000 soldiers. Not in this region, and not in the time frame given. 4. RUS! Not Russian!

@luohaoyu2632

3 жыл бұрын

fun fact, "chin" is proto-manchurian

@rugeekpay8210

2 жыл бұрын

As a Russian, it always irritated me that people tend to see no difference between Rus and Russians...

@WatcherSCP

2 жыл бұрын

4 "Russian" is an English word that was used to call both the inhabitants of the Rus-Kingdom and residents of modern Russia. So it's correct. The word Russian itself comes from Rus. Only the blind do not see it. And in English there is no such word as "Rus" with the meaning "inhabitants of the country Rus." Look into an English explanatory dictionary sometime.

@tingleblade4274

Жыл бұрын

Russians is Rus people from Rus kingdoms. Then almost all Rus lands entered Russia. I don't see a problem in this generalization, because people's speech is never 100% accurate and a moderate stereotype is always needed.

@Tomoesong

Жыл бұрын

​​@@rugeekpay8210 So Russians call their beginning of history from Rurik. Then if Rus were not Russians then who were they? When Russian history began then if Rus is not Russian? It's like chinese calling themselves Mingese, Yanese, Songese etc. However their dynasty's name change it was still chinese. Russians refuse to call Rus were not Russians, is so confusing.

Great video. I enjoyed it. The battle the Mongols fought are so incredibly interesting to read about.

Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!

Beautiful. A few details for deeper context: 1. The prudent/reluctant Kyiv prince was the oldest of all, aged 56, compared to the boldest Halycian aged just 32, this may explain his hesitancy. 2. Cumans were important to Mongols because they were the favorite troops of the Khwaresmian sultan and had fought them there. 3. Mongols did not promise mercy themselves - instead, they avoided being dishonest by having local "Russian" people ("brodniks") approach the defendants and make those promises.

Thank u so much, i love ur channel.♥️♥️ Greeting from Mongolia 🔥

Mongols were so deceptive its no surprise nobody believed their envoys and killed their ambassadors immediately.

@SchwarzeSun

3 жыл бұрын

no honor pretty much like ISIS in modern day

@thekhans2823

3 жыл бұрын

@@SchwarzeSun , Are you reffering to the mongols ??

@vladimirthegreen6097

3 жыл бұрын

@@thekhans2823 Yes and I agree

Only got the time to watch this now. Thanks for the hard work..

The best historical channel. Thank you. Mongols were strong and clever.

Very good video, been folowing your channel for a while and every video is well made, im a big fan of your work!

Well done. Fantastic work.

Everytime I come to a HistoryMarche video I get a snack cause I know it will be very entertaining, please more ancient and medieval videos!

5:23 main Mongol army ? then those 10 stacks of doom that spawn on the eastern map of MED2 total war are just what ? a scouting force ?

@GarkKahn

3 жыл бұрын

It always has been

@Naturmacht

3 жыл бұрын

I hated that Event (in a good way). You knew it would come, but could do nothing against it. Just hope they would march in the other direction...

@googane7755

3 жыл бұрын

Mongols armies were never really that large and they instead they relied on the quality of their commanders. Obviously the game has to balance this somehow by just spawning doom stacks

@quincy189

Жыл бұрын

yeah it was a scouting force of 20,000 to chase and kill the sultan (king) of the fleeing Khwarazmian Empire. He got away and dead somewhere in eastern europe the mongols never found him but then the 20,000 scouting forces decide to raid and pillage the local area lolol they had to battle battle over 400,000 soldiers with just their 20,000. Obviously not all at once but each army they have encountered since raiding the country of gerogia they had been out numbered from 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. Meaning their army of 20,000 had to fight 40,000 each battles and when they had to fight the rus kingdom they were like out numbered 5 to 1 when their combined forces. A scouting crew of 20,000 not even made for an intention of invasion managed to kill over 20 times from their original 20,000 troops they had... Plus they killed over hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Estimating during this trip they killed over 2 million people with just 20k troops and about 200k-400k of those were enemy soldiers... Mongol army still made it out of eastern europe alive and regrouped with the main force with genghis khan....

History Marche >> Kings and General

Nice history

Kings&Generals had a way more balanced account of this battle -- that there was a good likelihood the initial retreat of the Mongols was real, and Jebe had been killed during that phase of battle. Since we know Jebe never returned from this campaign, and Subutai commanded the Mongols during this battle even though Jebe was the senior of the two commanders (and should have been in charge).

@googane7755

3 жыл бұрын

@abis8 alpha8 The Russian chronicles states that a mongol commander was found hiding in the ground and he was recognised by the cumans in particular and executed. This is thought to be Jebe by some historians and that the mongols were actually retreating for those 9 days. Jebe is never mentioned again in mongol sources so this theory has it's merits.

Great video. Thanks for the good work.

'destruction by mongols', one of the few things that unite the world.

New history marche vid. Must drop everything I'm doing to watch this now.

Thank you for these videos. I play many 4x games such as the Total War series & Sid Meier's Civilization series. This visualizes history in such a way that I feel like I'm watching Twitch for History =D

The best as always. Thank you

Wonderful video! I enjoyed it!

lesson one in war: DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY!!

@xabtthenomadic8956

2 жыл бұрын

Lesson two in war : do not overextend

@georgiancountryball202

2 жыл бұрын

Lesson three: do not pursue a hardly retreating enemy go and fortify so they won’t come back

Magnificent! Keep up the good work!

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Life lesson: don't kill Mongol Envoys 10:03

@Dnahwjjwjejnenex

3 жыл бұрын

glad to see u here manchu archer

@barbiquearea

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you're the Mamelukes.

@TheGodTell

3 жыл бұрын

*laughs in Majapahit*

@regizeelement8511

3 жыл бұрын

@@barbiquearea Mongols lost because of unfamiliarity with desert climate

@owannn

3 жыл бұрын

@@regizeelement8511 lol ain jalut is not desert . the word ayn itself means spring

Yesterday's Kipchaks, today's Cumans... Definitely an improvement.

Just love this video!

Great video 👍 Thank you for your efforts.

Awesome video! Thank you!

That stupid act of the Khawarezmian Sultan is to me one of the most stupid but influential acts of all time.

@sodinc

3 жыл бұрын

at the same level as a trigger of WW1

@phanhuyduc2395

3 жыл бұрын

Can't blame him. Mongol at that time is an unknown force to the world, they attacked the Jin in North China which very far away from the Khawarezmian, thats it

@abdullahalrasheed394

3 жыл бұрын

@@phanhuyduc2395 That's a fair point, but what benefit was he going to get by murdering random envoys anyway? It was a reckless move to say the least.

"Remind yourself, that overconfidence is a slow and indisious killer."

@Reignor99

3 жыл бұрын

Darkest Dungeon?

@TheGodTell

3 жыл бұрын

@@Reignor99 yes!

I was just getting ready to eay, it's like you made this video for me. Thanks Marche!

Great work!

Love you guys so much you make great content!

Always perfect!!!

Great video . I love your job.

Love your videos!!!

Thanks for making our quarantine great 🥰

Funny thing is that the Tumens, mongol armies of 10.000 strong, were a cavalry force (even today there are around 50 horses for each citizen of Mongolia) and infantry the Mongols used were primarily from vassal kingdoms or prisoners, Kharash, and they didn't count those as casualties. This is one of the reasons of a huge discrepency on casualty accounts between Eastern and Western sources. West - We killed 20 000 mongols. East - Khmm, 20 000 disposable slaves.

@sodinc

3 жыл бұрын

There was similar thing with european casualties when they counted knights only.

@ivokantarski6220

3 жыл бұрын

@Marcus-Aerilius Maximus the Romans ofcourse used the more untrained troops in front to waste the enemy energy and when needed the pros would move in front to do the job.

@lovsanus1998

3 жыл бұрын

Nah U think they would outrun armies while having infantry?? Try again

@someidiotwithnoname

3 жыл бұрын

@Marcus-Aerilius Maximus Nope. Mongols were horseback nomads. They sometimes fought on foot when they needed to dismount but a mongol Tumen was exclusively a cavalry force organised in a decimal system, similar to Roman legions. Aravt, a unit of 10, was made optimally by 6 horse archers and 4 lancers. 10 avrt made a zuut, 10 zuut made a mingghan and 10 mingghan a tumen. Since they were nomdas Tumen moved as a horde with entire heards in follow, each mongol warrior had up to 4 spare horses, and they had a camp following of fletchers, armorsmiths etc. etc. all on horseback and carts. This is why there were so fast moving through enemy terrain. Infantry can't catch a cavarlry force as Romans learned fighting Phartians and Sassaninds, cities were a different thing. Infantry in mongol armies was not mongol but they came as tribute from conquered tribes and kingdoms, those who refused or rebeled well Genghis killed their entire tribes or populations of cities so few attempted that. Think of them as auxila but with far less value.

Awesome as always

This guy such get a history show, he amazing at explaining things🔥🔥🔥🙌

In before the envoy murders.

@appleslover

3 жыл бұрын

Loser nippie!

@xotl2780

3 жыл бұрын

If you had the displeasure of meeting a Mongol envoy you'd almost certainly want to kill them.

Amazing! Another collab video with HEB love both your content

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Always great to see you KHK

Ahhhhh yess! There's nothing better than ending the day with a HistoryMarche video! Great work guys, I love it!

Always a fan of your vedios .Thank you.

if you hate your job ...then just think about the Mongol envoys 🤣

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Well said!

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

3 жыл бұрын

Im starting to think a reason why only mongols emissaries were killed, maybe they were provocative, we don’t hear often of emissaries/diplomats being slayed. The mongol ones should have acted badly

@remhk6672

3 жыл бұрын

Not that bad being a mongol envoy! You could have year long vacations in distant foreign lands as in the case of mongol envoy/spy, Zhou Daguan from the yuan dynasty of China under the rule of kublai khan. He stayed at the khmer empire for a year and even had time to composed a journal about his exotic encounters with khmer women and the society as a whole.

@Mr.Gervasi

3 жыл бұрын

@@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 they come and spoke - that you are our slaves now given us by Tengri

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Gervasi really? Oh, i think then the emissary is a suicide jod cause what King will not kill people telling them that? Especially in Ancient Times. Would the mongol khans accept the same way such insults? Id think so

"Our friend Hoc Est Bellum", I'm aware of their work, (and it is also good.)

This Channel is an oasis in the desert of KZread content for history lovers💥💥🎞

I really enjoyed this video 👍

We need a tv series about the Mongol invasions

The Mongols only favor IMO, is that they annihilated the Assassins (Hashashin).

@ElBandito

2 жыл бұрын

They also connected the East with the West.

love your videos

I am a new subscriber and I love your videos Keep the excellent work

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subbing!

Had I only had this kind of beautifully made documentaries when I went to school...Just a miserably written s...ty book. Thank you, HistoryMarche!

@scintillam_dei

3 жыл бұрын

Salty book?

Read “Yassa” the Mongol’s law of that time. And you’ll understand why they were so effective in battlefield.

Thank you

Excellent video

Thanks for the great work! This was one of the decisive clashes that shaped the future of many peoples.. I think that this channel mentioned in its (Ain Jalut) video that Baibars (the Mamluke) originated back to one of those Turkic tribes; that lived in the area, and possibly his life was affected by these events. Also if I am not mistaken: Qutuz was also a member of the Khwarizmian ruling dynasty, who was ensalved and sold after the empire has fallen.. Both of Qutuz and Baibars became the scourge of the scourge at Ain Jalut..

@xotl2780

3 жыл бұрын

Baibars was born on the kipchak steppe, but he wouldn't remember much other than being sold into slavery by the Bulgars during his parents flight from the Mongol invaders.

@mohammady.altamimi7114

3 жыл бұрын

@@xotl2780 Thanks for the hint!

Keep 'em coming

Too nice history's video showing with clear explaining of events and situations before and after invading of lands and horrible destiny of populations

👌 Fantastic as always HM.

Oh yes, Mistislav Mistislavich, has to be the Russian version of John Johnson

@F22onblockland

3 жыл бұрын

a certified slavic classic, like Ivan Ivanovich

@DarkSideChess

3 жыл бұрын

Mstislav is a rare name now...

@GenghisKal

3 жыл бұрын

I heard it as “Mr Slav” in the video XD

@terraflow__bryanburdo4547

3 жыл бұрын

@@F22onblockland Or Gorby Gorbachev

@kotemura9090

3 жыл бұрын

@@GenghisKal Its normal. For idiot.

It would have been epic if Hannibal ,al Waleed ,Scipio , Napoleon were present in the time of Mongols .

@kingofeast3125

3 жыл бұрын

If they Hannibal alone would conquer the entire world if he was supplied

@valak-thescaryabess1504

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingofeast3125 no, hannibal don't have a chance against sabutai in open fields, Considering that the mongols are too fast well disciplined and experienced army fighting in China ,stepps central Asia and the Islamic world so an army which is slow based on infantry don't have a chance

@mohammedsulaiman5566

3 жыл бұрын

Genghiz khan isn’t even equal to a wing of a dead fly infront of khaled because he is the sword from the swords of God

@kingofeast3125

3 жыл бұрын

@@valak-thescaryabess1504 You are a fool, Hannibal Barca would conqueror the known world single handedly

@valak-thescaryabess1504

3 жыл бұрын

@@kingofeast3125 ha, in his dreams

Your channel is epic. Love it

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.

Amazing video ! Video idea: can you do a video on Tamerlane or timur please

❤️❤️❤️❤️ No one will able to defeat you HistoryMarche. You are best 💖💖💖💖 A request for you Please make a series on Delhi Sultanate 🙏

I came! I saw! I liked! (great video)

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming

@trentondamm194

3 жыл бұрын

@@HistoryMarcheIts hard not to. lol When will u guys do the battle of Zab

@trentondamm194

3 жыл бұрын

@@HistoryMarche can u guys pls do a battle about the Normans attacking the Byzantine Empire or when Julian invades the Sassanid Empire

@Cheeseman42046

3 жыл бұрын

C A M E

the intro gave me goosebumps

The Battle of Culloden or The Battle of Clontarf would be much appreciated friends, love your content.

Who is he? His voice is incredible. I know him from Wild Ciencias

@abelvegaflores7815

3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I said

@faaeztalha8271

3 жыл бұрын

David McCallion

@hazzmati

3 жыл бұрын

Alex was better

@MasterMalrubius

3 жыл бұрын

@@hazzmati Nah.

@alexanderbertisch6328

3 жыл бұрын

@@faaeztalha8271 incredible voice. When i grow up, i want his voice

dude, please do a MONGOL series. would love to see how you guys cover it. also please finish Hannibal/Rome series.

@snowpirate0pandhu

3 жыл бұрын

The third punic war?

@aleksapetrovic6519

3 жыл бұрын

They kinda did it: 1. Kalka 2. Mohi 3. Ald Jhuntan 4. Kulikovo Sure they didn'y make it in order, but they are slowly, but surly forming it in comprenhansive series.

@Danny-mg1hu

3 жыл бұрын

@@aleksapetrovic6519 there are more, especially against the Muslims, Chinese, and Japan. Even against each other with Temir.

That just blows my mind

I think it would be awesome if your channel did a series on Charlemagne. How he built his empire, the battles, his sons' inheritances, and what became of it. He is an ancestor of mine had I've always been fascinated with his history. I haven't seen anyone do these kind of videos on his battles and history.

@josecipriano3048

3 жыл бұрын

Roncevaux pass.

Keep it up Abselutely Amazing Hope New Hannibal video is coming soon

@HistoryMarche

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely

I think it’s one of the most crushing battle in history ! Mongols were really something.

Big fan of the Wilhelm scream that are often in these videos. Big fan.

Yesssssss! Historymarche.

Tfw you realize you followed the mongol horde too deep into the steppe

@Slaveknight_gael

3 жыл бұрын

Not a horde, but a recon unit, which still crushes your whole coalition army...

@johnnyboy3410

Жыл бұрын

yeah recon unit of 10k horsemen

Damn, didn't know that it was that close. Just a few more manouvering and patience and the Slavs and Cumans might have won

@TheStefchoo

3 жыл бұрын

Should have moved their inf in front and allowed horse archera to retreat .. :/

@GarkKahn

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if the kiev troops advanced a little more near the river they could've maneuver to reduce the envolment strenght

@jacobpeters5458

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think the Rus+Cumans had a chance. The Mongols knew what they were doing and lured them into a trap. eventually the Russians would've started retreating and would've been picked off little by little if they didn't fall for it. but Subutei was an excellent general (the son of a blacksmith! and humble according to European sources i think)

@dwarow2508

3 жыл бұрын

@@jacobpeters5458 But this time they were actually losing. They were not faking a retreat. They actually lost the battle at the Dniepr. Had thr Kievan Rus and Cumans just waited at the Kalka river, the mongold would be expelled.

@jacobpeters5458

3 жыл бұрын

@@dwarow2508 possibly, or they were luring them. either way, they didn't lose much and could afford to retreat deeper and deeper whereas the others couldn't, except maybe the Cumans, but they would have been outnumbered. it's one thing to lose a battle, another to lose a skirmish and find better ground imo

Everyone in medieval Rus: let's name our babies Mstislav.

Love it! MORE MORE MORE 🤘🏼👍🏻