"The three weakest nations of this era are probably Yomi, Makone and R'lyeh" Me, a new player who has drifted towards these nations: SON OF A BI-

@Dickmaster-adam

Жыл бұрын

tch

@MrAskmannen

Жыл бұрын

You can console yourself with the fact that Pelagia is a weaker water nation since they can't compete on land at all.

@Kaiser282

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAskmannen I actually ended up drifting towards Pelagia because I thought the Triton Kings were cool so no I doomed myself there too.

Thanks for agreeing to put this one out. It was good to get a fresh view to contrast against my own experiences. I went the immobile route and relied on Voice of Tiamat as you suggested as one of the options. Taking high astral on the pretender seemed redundant but the void lurker gets it very cheaply and that lets you both wire in a pen bless and get more trolls per cast on enslave sea trolls. Fortunately Ulm was convinced to sell me amulets of the fish. I agree that this was a terrible idea on their part in the long run but it bought them an ally early. One thing I will say in defence of mind-vessel androdai, and against big ass mind lords themselves, is that androdai: A) Have full slots B) Carry your bless C) Don't waste one of their misc slots on the amulet A 4 astral Androdai can carry eye of the void and a spell focus (sub out for crystal coin if required) for +3 pen. Unlike the mind-lords they can hold a rune smasher if you can convince someone to do the forging for you (I was only able to get 1 so far) bringing them to +5 pen, and they carry the bless for another +1 as well as, in my case, some bonus reinvig. That's +6 pen. If you're getting ludicrous, you can throw on a cap or something as well. At the moment, all that allows you to do is reliably enslave mind 1 unit per turn at the head of a communion, but eventually I think it will be that Androdai, not one of the mind-lords, that is the trigger puller on master enslave. All that said, I still resent Androdai mainly in that I wish I could recruit slave mages above water. Every coastal fort I put up doesn't actually add to my mage pool in anywhere close to the way i'd like, so to keep up in terms of troop and mage production, I need to put up more underwater forts than the land nations are building just on land AND put up coastal forts to give my armies some mind-blasting punch. I trashed temp scales to cold rather than hot, mostly because i'm leaning on water elementals a lot and ice elementals just do better on land than water does. Also worth considering an arcane leadership bless point on these guys I think, it means your first prophet slave prince can lead lobos and thralls and that your cheap 45 gold priests can lead mindless trampling expansion parties.

@Dantos4

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man I'm brand new to the game and wanted to say your comment was really helpful in me winning my first 4 man normal game vs the AI (as R'lyeh). I had an Androdai mindslaved to my 8 Astral skill Pretender at the head of a 10 mage communion (with another Master Androidai mindslaved by a Mind Lord) and the enemy army just kept disintegrating with my mass enslave spells in the late game. I forgot to add the +pen items though so I will try that next time

@PerunAU

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dantos4 Amazing to hear. You really should try the pen items, the impact it can have is really really impressive. Late game astral has a lot going for it if you know the tricks.

@Dantos4

3 жыл бұрын

@@PerunAU I will definitely give them a go in my next game! I just read that you can "bomb" the thrones with Teleport, too, and I had no idea that you could use Mind Hunt to assassinate enemy commanders so I'm looking forwards to trying that! If you have any tips I'd love to read them

@yugonostalgia8961

2 жыл бұрын

@perun do you still feel ice elementals are better than water ones?

@PerunAU

2 жыл бұрын

@@yugonostalgia8961 No. Not under most circumstances.

Is it worth it to serve Mind Lords in exchange for a set of meteorite armor and a right to boss around your former kin? I say yes.

Oh I'll leave on lire comment with maybe a small suggestion. How about including something like "how to fight against this nation best" kinda segment into your nation analysis? With tips of what will work best in terms of troops, magic schools etc. Which nations in your opinion have an overwhelming advantage over in this case R'lyeh and which ones ought to be careful. Otherwise great video as always General!

Soon gonna play my first MP game as EA Rlyeh. Gonna know more after, but two thoughts so far I didn't see noticed here that I find might be relevant: - Tritons lack darkvision. This plus their aquatic nature makes them utterly useless, as loads of underwater provinces are dark. - Androdai are holy communicants. While niche, it can be useful to combat undead and, maybe more importantly, can drop Fanaticism to alleviate your bad morale. Edit: Oh and also, when designing a pretender, it seems a good idea to keep boosting in mind. While Rlyehs national access is technically quite good, their lack of slots means they can do less to improve their paths. In particular, without E2 they can't make Crystal Coins, so taking that on a pretender (for boots to give to an androdai) seems justified. Similarly can be said for death; while you have national D2, the lack of hands means they can't do the usual skull staff > mound fiend variant. With E2 you can get crystal coin+skullcap to an S4 Mind Vessel to make a ring of sorcery which helps boost death, but that's a much slower process. I think A1W1E2 is a really good baseline, and that D2 (with hands) is probably justified too.

also, WHY CANT WE PUT POLYPALS ON THE BACKS OF ENSLAVED SEA TURTLES!!!!

@Self-replicating_whatnot

2 жыл бұрын

Because if you try to move polypal mother she will REEEEEEEE at you until your brain starts to boil.

Just to point it out now cause someone will the shamblers are also size 3 tramplers.

@Mewobiba

5 жыл бұрын

Also two additional small corrections: - Giboleths and gibodai have slightly stronger mind blast than androleths; though it isnt visible in the in-game tooltip, full-blown abolethians have dmg 12 paralysis while the hybrids (as well as olms and and armored illithids) have a dmg 10 paralysis. - Enslaved troll warriors are notably weaker than sea kings' guards. Notably, their low attack + glaive means they won't hit much, but they are still durable lineholders.

Just wanna give a shout out to ma boi Kraken though. Even though he doesnt have air, so not the best for ea R'lyeh, but multi armed sneaky boi with earth astral for teleport earthquake shenanigans is something to consider for water nations ;)

honestly the best way i have found to get above ground is just mass (and mean mass) lobogaurds with a air pretender

I found out something interesting: when Aboleths and Abodai cast Twiceborn, they become necrodai. And Necrodai are amphibious size 4s that cast Enslave Mind natively - just like the Mind Lord.

@Self-replicating_whatnot

Жыл бұрын

beating your enemy to death with dried fish

@minimmats

Жыл бұрын

@@Self-replicating_whatnot Tentacle Time

21:34 The temperature scales does affect water provinces, but is limited to 1 level either way. So it still affect negatively your income by -5% max for underwater provinces. As you had -12% income but it's in reality -2%. So no it's not slightly positive, it's still a tad negative.

The advantage of Tritons over the other slave infantry types is higher hit points (15 vs 12 and 10) and one additional point of attack and defense each. They are actually marginally slower than the Merman type (CS 19 MM 15 vs CS 21 MM 17).

I think this faction would be a very interesting one to watch a multiplayer game with.

@johnbrearley9791

6 жыл бұрын

And I think they are the strongest pure astral nation in the early age, outside of communions, having a natural astral 4 mage is huge.

@PerunAU

6 жыл бұрын

I'm currently playing them in an MP game and have saved most of the turns. Unfortunately GC is not in the game or i'd ask him to do videos on it.

@Mewobiba

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrearley9791 kinda disagree. While they have a handful of S4 recruited mages (keep in mind it's 1/4 on a cap-only str), they can't wield caps and cant natively make coins. Marverni beats them in the astral game for those reasons alone.

I'm of the opposite opinion on troops. Lobos are cheap but require magical leadership and you need amulet to get that onto land. I prefer the slave guardians (atlantian and triton) with hard hitting weapons. They have average protection and doesn't die to one hit, and have 18 and 20 dmg attacks that can actually hurt enemy troops, while lobo and shambler at atk 9 have trouble hitting and both don't hit as hard. There are 2 limitations on going those troops, first is resource, second is morale. With resource it favours production scale, which you'll enjoy the income anyways, and morale requires slave prince or mind lord leadership, but you're using them anyways. Point is, these troops cost less than double (9 gold vs 5 gold for lobo) but can actually kill stuff while the lobo just die every battle. I can expect a decent amount of slave guardians to survive a battle and contribute. I'm currently in a MP game with a scales build and am the largest in all categories (mod left score graph on, apparently by accident) so there's 1 data point that seems to work.

Thanks. This is useful.

This is pretty niche, but the Wind Walker bless is actually active underwater, meaning your Abodai can move two underwater tiles instead of just one. That doesn't help much because your units will still be limited to one tile per turn, but it's worth noting.

Have you ever thought about doing a review on a modded nation? EA Aurum would be cool to review.

Oddly for a nation you exclaim is weak, they seem to win quite often. Though usually this is more in games where they have a uncontested waters for almost the entire game. BUT to admit the throne gameplay has weakened them, since no longer are you required to actually deal with them to win.

Late Age Rieulay

I really hope you do MA and LA R'lyeh next.

Oh just thought of something. There is this spell Astral Tempest that should wreck all non mindless units But if you can make a high astral mindless Androdai vessel... that's something to take into account. And you can snipe with him since high astral means teleport deployment

@PerunAU

6 жыл бұрын

If I had done any evocation research at all, i'd try this in my current MP game. Getting an astral 5 Androdai with a clam of pearls is extremely easy (mind lord or hero mind vessels, add crystal coin or scullcap).

@johnbrearley9791

6 жыл бұрын

The only issue there is that it is astral 5 requiring evocation 8.

@dogebestest7187

6 жыл бұрын

Sure it's not an early game strat probably but still something to keep in mind

just a question, can the pretender chassi aboleth stuff his mind into androdai?, if so you basically can have two very powerful mages, and one is relatively cheap and don't matter if it dies.

@coldmossonarock7743

3 жыл бұрын

Two years and none has tried this?

@neroham93

Жыл бұрын

Oh they can I'm gonna try and twiceborn the little dude too

How much better is this nation now that amulet of the fish only takes water to forge?

Please Guide for MA Asphodel

Had an idea to toss 5+ air on the aboleth pretender and vessel a land mage to use fog warriors, this is not optimal, but it is funny.

Fish can't wear pants.

could you use slave princes as budget thugs? they seem to have decent stats and protection.

A commission eh? What would it cost to ask you to look at another nation and would you be willing to look at mod nations? Especially EA Thalamanth (basically Crystal Amazon, the nation) which is a nation I think is really cool but which I can't wrap my head around how to play, especially early game (powerful air mages, garbage 0 prot infantry...)

@GeneralConfusionPlays

6 жыл бұрын

Petterwass you can reach me on Discord or by email to discuss it; my business email is on the About section of the page. I'd be happy to do a mod nation.

dare you to do la pythium

👍

Bearded sacred Aboleths

EA Xibalia next?

gotta hate how their best troops need magic leadership and the slave mages have terrible magic leadership

@PerunAU

6 жыл бұрын

arcane leadership bless point or two can turn androdai and slave priests into magic leaders as well, and means your starting prophet slave prince will gain the ability to take some shamblers our immediately. It's not a great solution but it's what i've come up with so far.

In Dom3 the chaff that the mothers spawn could go on land!!! When someone want too play ea r`lyeh that is better play dom3!!!

@Self-replicating_whatnot

2 жыл бұрын

I did play Dom3 but i don't remember that being a thing outside of mods.

@Lancelot2000Lps

2 жыл бұрын

@@Self-replicating_whatnot Could be that it was a mod for dom3, sorry my mistake. Have only such nice experience on a game with that mod. And i played ea r`lyeh and i was sucked in the dom universum since than.