I’m glad that Marvel didn’t give into the peer pressure of people telling them to get rid of Kang and pivoting over to Doom

@benm5970

2 ай бұрын

I mean I definitely wanna see Doctor Doom eventually but I always found the idea of replacing Kang with him weird, like would he really work as the big antagonist of an entire saga? Let alone one about the multiverse? I don’t think so, I mean in terms of power Doom is kind of a street level villain compared to Kang

@gatorboy21king

2 ай бұрын

@@benm5970not in the story they are adapting Doom is actually more powerful

@tonileo9849

2 ай бұрын

@@benm5970i dont agree with doom being street level really, he s one of marvel's biggest villains after all and its good he s not used as damage control to move away from kang

@benm5970

2 ай бұрын

@@tonileo9849 I know he’s not, I just mean *compared to Kang* he kinda seems street level

@thehacker4012

2 ай бұрын

@KingArthur973 I agree, I'm glad that Marvel is committing to the integrity of the story as opposed to chasing after opinions.

Kang was great in Loki but in Ant Man 3 he sort of became a victim of the movie's comedy. In Guardians of the Galaxy, that comedy worked because Star Lord went up against Ronan, a throwaway villain, and not Thanos, so by the end of the movie, Star Lord won but Thanos didn't get humiliated.

I am convinced that Joe and Anthony Russo ran the MCU from Winter Soldier thru End Game.

@thejordyoshi

2 ай бұрын

But then they pair up with Markus and McFeely again to do The Gray Man for Netflix and it's not very good, so I wouldn't say that team in isolation is what made those MCU movies work.

@swint12

2 ай бұрын

Clearly they are lost without them lol

I don't agree about criticizing Kang's motivation. It's still early in the saga. The MCU didn't set up Thanos's motivation till the end.

@reyesreviews

2 ай бұрын

I agree

@wickdaline8668

2 ай бұрын

Correct.

@Xzcvr

2 ай бұрын

they didn't set up thanos's motivation because he did not have a real appearance til infinity war! kang had his first real appearance in quantumania and it failed! kang is done

@syyner1748

2 ай бұрын

@@Xzcvr Irrelevant. They still waited till the end of the saga to set up Thanos' motivation.

@toshtao1

2 ай бұрын

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I saw the fight between Kang and Ant-man and Kang DOMINATED that fight, either people are revising what actually happened in Ant-man 3 or they didn't actually see it. Also, Kang motivations are as simple as can be which is to conquer as many worlds as possible. Sure, you can argue it's not the greatest motivation, but it is a motivation that is simple and easy to understand.

@thehacker4012

2 ай бұрын

@@Soultrain11 What do you mean dominated a fight he lost? This kind of disingenuous argument which leads people to call Rey call a Mary Sue for beating Kylo while completely ignoring the fact Kylo had the upper hand in most of that fight with Rey. You aren't even talking about the movie anymore but your imagined interpretation of what you thought happened.

@thehacker4012

2 ай бұрын

@@Soultrain11 How is that a projection? Do you even know what word means? You are completely ignoring the story just to cherry pick scenes to make your claims more valid than it is. The idea that you think Kang was beaten by Ants as if that where Kang story ended proves that you don't what you talking about.

@thehacker4012

2 ай бұрын

@@Soultrain11 *sigh* No, that's not what happened. Look it up on wiki, I don't know what else to you.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom

2 ай бұрын

So what? He still lost. Dude is a multiversal conqueror and his fate came down to a brawl???

@godfr012

2 ай бұрын

He's trying to prevent incursions due to his other variants. Trying to stop avengers from time traveling which causes incursions. See multiverse of madness and what the council said in quantamania.

I'm not sure we knew Thanos motivations until infinity war. I guess the difference is that Kang has gotten a lot more screen time

@d_d_greatness5887

2 ай бұрын

No body knew what thanos wanted to do until infinity war. I’m not too sure what the plan is for the most of the kangs but both he who remains and Kang from quantumania both explained their goals were to stop the other kangs from destroying reality.

Doom is primarily an FF foe. Kang is *the* Avengers archenemy. I have faith that the studio that set up and executed a great Thanos story can do the same with a fundamentally better villain.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

But isn’t Kang also a Fantastic Four villain? I thought the reason they never made Kang before was because he was owned by Fox? I also thought Ultron and Thanos were more associated with the Avengers.

@Brakdayton

2 ай бұрын

@@juanluismendoza8655 every character or group has an arch enemy and a rogues gallery. Kang is an Avengers villain, and imho, along with Ultron, the Avengers archenemy. Kang (as Kang) was not an FF villain for at least 20 years when he was retroactively revealed to be related to Reed (and I assume Sue). Dr Doom is the Fantastic Four’s archenemy; inextricably linked to Reed Richards. Thanos in the comics is more linked to Captain Marvel and Warlock, but not the Avengers.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

@@Brakdayton Ah I see. I thought the connection between Reed and Kang was there since the very beginning.

Have a hey watched Loki? Kang laid out why he is doing what he is doing…

@samanthamaclean1430

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking the last season of Loki showed how big of a threat Kang is to the MCU

Loki 1 and 2 should have made the audience fear Kang's intellect and Antman 3 should have made us fear his power. Save motivations for the actual Avengers film.

@_M....

2 ай бұрын

That failed.

@AliFrankTheTank

2 ай бұрын

them series gotta be on tv channels man. Nobody seen them joints

I think they should keep Kang and just cast another actor. Keep everything that was planned and just have someone else play the role of Kang.

@MRLONG758

2 ай бұрын

The whole Kang and multiverse storyline seems unpopular so why continue with it.

Kang wants what he wants in the comics books. Haven't you guys been paying attention? He wants to control, and travel all timelines, creating multiple variants of himself - which makes him extremely invincible. He has advance weapons and he's seen the future which makes him deadly in combat.

We knew nothing avout Thanos' motivation outside of the stones before Infinity War

@ajnunez8788

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but this niggi got two whole shows and a movie already dawg.

I just hate multiverse ''thing''. Anyone can be back, there are as many variants as you want, and there are no stakes at all

So essentially you guys are mad that Kang isn’t Thanos….eve though Thanos wasn’t seen as a real threat in his Avengers debut & his handful of after credit scenes. But Marvel took its time & made him into a scary threat over how many movies wasn’t it again? Chill out & let him be built, the same thing is gonna happen to Doom if he gets rushed too.

@10kwes

2 ай бұрын

Thankyou. We didn’t even know what Thanos’s plan was until infinity war. So for them to say “he isn’t scary” I get it to a point but give it some time.

Tbh im glad Waldron is writing both movies because the movies will have a singular vision, on top of that, it s a better look considering Waldron s Dr Stange movie worked overall box office/ audience wise while Loveness' Ant Man bombed and he also doesnt know how to take criticism.

The writers have made kang a non entity with no clear motivation,the most simplistic thing to do would be to ground the character and make him want to bring back his version of renslayer as she was killed by alioth,and in turn remove all other variants to stabilise it all,the avengers just happen to get in the way and due to endgame complicated his plans,fit doom in the background providing tech to kang and you have a pretty basic story.

@bajansamurai

2 ай бұрын

Maybe. They didn't really show any big believable love between them that makes that motivation pop, but then again, so as not to confuse non-Loki series watchers (and sense they're all different Kangs) I guess they can establish that love and loss trope for the ultimate Kang first. I'd actually flip the Doom element and have him pretending to support him with the time Tech, only to reveal himself an even bigger bad who usurped the technology to juice himself up on multiversal energy. Skip forward to some merged parts of multiple Earths as a Battleworld in the next movie (A6: Secret Wars).

I think there is a very good reason they haven't gone into Kang's motivation. It maybe it's the best storytelling but the reason for what he is doing isn't to be revealed yet. That's because...he's not the bad guy. This is just a theory but hear me out. The Kang from Quantumania was exiled by the other Kangs because they saw he was a threat. And he said "if you want to stop them and believe me, you do",Ant-Man should have worked with him. His methods are not great,he uses terrorism to achieve his means. But I see Kang's motive to be similar to He Who Remains, kill any possibility of other variants because they will be worse. They will be more dangerous. I feel that when the Council of Kangs are going to war with each other and weakening each other (because every Kang believes they should be in charge) then the Quantumania Kang returns (obviously a different actor) and he actually wants to help the Avengers turn the tables on the other Kangs,get the advantage so he can prune them out of existence and stop the multiversal war before it starts. But there will be one character who is not willing to trust him,one character who thinks he knows better than everyone else what to do with great power. And that character steps up and seizes it and HE becomes the God Emperor character and creates BattleWorld. And I know what you're thinking, you're thinking "Doctor Doom ". Because this was Doom's role in the 2015 Secret Wars comic. But I'm not. I'm suggesting the person that does an end run around all the Kangs and installs himself as a despot for the greater good....will be Doctor Strange. I honestly think this is a direction they could go. It would be exciting and different and still resonate with what his character has been about.

They have failed with Kang thus far because they've been afraid to ever have the hero's lose. Now that we've seen Kang die already so many times to what are pretty much side characters, to re-establish him as a threat - MCU should start Avengers 5 off with a bang, kill off multiple hero characters within the first act.

Kang was definitely working as a big bad villain. Actually more enjoyable than Thanos.

I feel like Kang's goal might be noble and selfish. He's manipulating the timeline to protect their universe from something more dangerous while he remains in control because he thinks he is the only one capable of protecting them.

We didn’t know what Thanos wanted until Infinity War. We had a few movies with brief appearances of Thanos before we knew his motivations. They still have the opportunity to explore him as a character. And his different variants. I think they can still course correct this character. The question is how will they do it? I’m still not convinced that Kang will actually end up being in Avengers 5 despite what this report says. I want to see him continue but I have huge doubts.

@JaayCeez

2 ай бұрын

But Thanos was also never humiliated and was always seen in a very powerful and influential posture. The anticipation of his motivation and plan was what made Thanos scary, menacing, and feared... And also exciting.

@fandomcentralmedia8658

2 ай бұрын

@@JaayCeez firstly I don’t see being beaten by Ant Man as a humiliation. He’s a great character and a great hero. I don’t know why people think it’s pathetic when a villain is beaten by Ant Man. Secondly that’s one variant of Kang. I know He Who Remains was killed by Sylvie too but that was an option he gave her. It was either take over the TVA or kill him. Thirdly because there are multiple variants they can change the presentation of the character. This is the one character who they course correct all the mistakes they’ve made to turn people off. It’s easier said than done but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try. I really hope they give Kang a fair shot but like I said in my previous comment I don’t believe this report at all. I think the MCU plays things too safe.

@JaayCeez

2 ай бұрын

@fandomcentralmedia8658 Personally, for me, it's not that he was defeated by Ant-man that is embarrassing, I don't even mean in canon/story. I mean that watching him lose so early in the next phase and how he did. It felt more like a common villain and not THE next MCU villain. Just because there are infinite numbers of him, it doesn't make him any more threatening than one Thanos, or one Galactus, or one Dr. Doom. If anything, the more they use him and the more the loses or the heroes win over him, the less effective he will be in an endgame-like avengers movie. I'm sorry, but he is not scary, nor feels menacing or threatening. Again, and sorry if you feel like it's offensive to Ant-man, but we already saw our MCU BBeG be defeated by Ant-man. How am I supposed to believe he will be such a threat that it will cause the new avengers to come together on a universal scale to stop him? I don't think that they can't do it, but I doubt that they will succeed with Kang, at least with how they are currently doing it.

@fandomcentralmedia8658

2 ай бұрын

@@JaayCeez I can see what you’re saying. But I don’t think he’s a character who should be wasted. There’s a lot of potential in the character. And again I still think that Marvel can present how dangerous he is as a threat if they are willing to take a chance on him. I still think there’s room to show how scary he can be. I’m just frustrated and disappointed in them as creatives for playing on the safe side. I know some reports say that Marvel was considering removing him before Majors’ legal problems cause of the box office of Ant Man 3. I personally don’t believe that, I think if Johnathan Majors’ issues didn’t happen we’d still be on track to Kang Dynasty. I got no beef with people who don’t think Kang is scary, my issues are with the higher ups at Marvel.

They need start explaining WHY these villains are picking Earth, because there aren't any more resources there. Unless Kang is going to use Tiamut to destroy the universe.

In retrospect, Thanos wasn't truly fleshed out until Infinity War. Up until then all we knew about him was that he was attacking Planets and looking for the stones.

@metallicnole4514

2 ай бұрын

That is actually quite true. We barely saw much of thanos until infinity war. They could still salvage kang if they recast him well with good writing.

@specialed171

2 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. There was like 2 post credit scenes, 2 brief cameos and short one shot from Thor before Infinity War. Somehow they kept the fear and anticipation alive for him.

@rebel2191

2 ай бұрын

It was precisely this why ppl were hype to see him in infinity war

@mightheal

2 ай бұрын

@@rebel2191 Only the comic fans were excited to see him because they already knew who he was the general public had no clue.

@thebasedlord

2 ай бұрын

Exactly he had like 3 brief cameos before that movie

I’m so glad and relived that Marvel isn’t moving away from Kang and keep him as the main villain of the saga. As much as I want Dr. Doom, he deserves his own saga. Right now, the Kang character can be revamped and improved if in the right hands, now that they fired Jeff Loveness.

I hope it's true. I hate dropped storylines.

I didn't care about Thanos at all until Infinity War. That movie made me care about Thanos, and retroactively made the entire Infinity Saga feel a lot more worthwhile. I'm willing to accept that Avengers 5 COULD do that with Kang, but I feel like it's facing a steeper uphill battle this time, because I at least was just ambivalent about Thanos and just didn't know to expect that they would flesh him out as a character so well in Infinity War. This time, Kang and the entire post-Endgame saga now, is actually making me feel like I legit don't really like where they're going with this whole Kang and multiverse approach. They might prove me wrong. If it's a great movie, they could totally make me care about Kang and make Phase 4 feel more worth it, etc... I just don't have a good feeling about it. It could be good, but probably won't ever reach the heights of the Infinity Saga. I don't think you can do that twice, especially not one right after the other. John's right that the cameos all feel like obvious fan service in a very oversaturated kind of way now. Infinity War and Endgame, it was fan service, but it felt earned and rather unique in how big an ensemble of beloved characters was coming together and all that. I don't think they have that again this time. It's not even as good an ensemble as it was in Phase 1 with the first Avengers movie. They could make it work in one movie, I guess, but the build up just doesn't feel like it's there. Hope they can surprise me, but certainly won't be surprised if they don't... ...yes, that made sense.

I think that we should see how we ultimately get to Avengers 5 before the idea of Kang and his variants is a bad or "non scary" idea. That's how I'm going to see it anyway.

I thought john said in another video that Loki got rid of all of the Kang varients in the final episode of Loki season 2

All marvel has to do now is rehire Jonathan Majors and let that man COOK!!

@mattuu100

2 ай бұрын

RIP

To be fair, people didn’t get really into Thanos until Infinity War came out. He’s not really a character until that movie.

@parsman9914

2 ай бұрын

True. I remember before Infinity War people complained that he was just sitting in a chair.

@nikunjdixit1175

2 ай бұрын

I think the issue is that Thanos was a mystery that was building up till Infinity War. We only saw glimpses of him till then, whereas we have seen plenty of Kang and his variants across Loki and Ant-Man 3, and we haven't really felt the threat. The fact that the threat isn't a single version of the character might be the problem.

@SosaA11

2 ай бұрын

@@nikunjdixit1175kang getting killed over over is to show he is infinite and keeps coming back it’s shown in the avengers mightiest hero cartoon also

@nikunjdixit1175

2 ай бұрын

@@SosaA11 That may be so, but for a layman, he just doesn't come off as very impressive when Ant-Man is able to kill him. I feel 'he who remains' is the most impressive version we have seen so far.

@Stigmaru

2 ай бұрын

Thanos became more of a threat in 10 seconds than Kang did in one season of tv and one movie

To be fair the menace of Kang was to be his He Who Remains-ness not brute strength (which is why a couple of the countless Kang’s getting killed by Silvy or Antman doesn’t really speak to his threat in the end)

IMO I really don’t think anything marvel puts out now is really going to be on the same level as the last two avengers movies for the simple fact every person knows that no matter how dire the stakes are, in the end the good guys are always going to win, so it’s really hard for me to get interested in a movie where I already know the outcome.

8:48 made me chuckle 😂

I can't disagree that they haven't handled kang well but all this talk of how great Thanos was and his motivations etc all came in infinity war. There is still time for Kang to be become that threat and have motivations that are interesting. If he hadn't been In ant man 3 then there would be no issues, Loki presented the threat quite well.

@Bolvar4dragon

2 ай бұрын

This is my take as well. Thanos was presented simply as an ominous presence up until Infinity War. You'd have to imagine the Kang movie is going to the one to flesh out Kang. Perhaps the mistake was including him (or versions of him) too much too early, but I agree that Loki made me rather compelled to see more. I felt the threat, and I think He Who Remains explained at least himself well enough. I don't really remember Ant-Man's Kang because I only saw it once and I guess it was rather forgettable. Admittedly the premise of the future movie makes it sound like the Kangs will mostly act like that film's Chitauri or Ultron bots, but hopefully they'll find a way to make them more diverse and interesting characters in their own right.

@Mb-zu6on

2 ай бұрын

@Bolvar4dragon yea like legit 'wait until you meet my variants' and 'see you soon' were genuinely great lines that were very threatening. Thanos only really became a great villian in infinity war because that was basically his movie. Kang shouldn't of been in ant man or of he was they shouldn't of had him beaten, ant man should've barely gotten away alive or something. There is still time for Kang to be great but I'd also understand if they took this opportunity to veer away from him.

The problem is they never should have had Kang lose to Ant-man - he should have murdered Ant-man (I like Paul Rudd), kill those cgi ants and escaped the Quantum realm. Jonathan Majors played him perfectly- Kevin Feige should have never approved a script with Kang losing to Ant-man. Remember that Kang was exiled- he could have been the wild card- he hates all the other versions of himself so he could team up with the Avengers to defeat the other variants & the Avengers would be reluctant to team up with him because he murdered Ant-man

@alexsantiago4446

2 ай бұрын

Agreed but killing ant-man idk about that one, but trapping Scott in the quantum realm this time would’ve been cool too while Kang escapes

@dominiqueeverett5856

2 ай бұрын

Facts plus in the comics Kang pretty much only loses to an entire team of Avengers often led by another Kang variant and or Renslayer.

@jbon9319

2 ай бұрын

Or kill Hank and take Scott as a prisoner?

You didn’t know what Thanos’ philosophy was till his movie, moot point.

Fitness Kang. Nice one John.

Sounds like Kang needs to meet his Doom.

@Hknasw

2 ай бұрын

I understood that reference

Good and they can tease Dr. Doom in the end.

Isn’t not being scared of any of the Kangs kinda the point? In Antman we had like shouty punchy man and he was a blunt instrument, in Loki s1 we had a more calculating villain and in s2 a bizarre tech mad scientist. All you need to do is create 2 or 3 Kangs who are a threat

Yeah I have to say I'm not thrilled about the idea of bringing in variant heroes. Because one of my biggest issues with Phases 4 & 5 so far is that most current heroes have no connection. Avengers 5 should ONLY focus on building the bonds between the Avengers members. Get people excited about these crossovers again. Anyway, we'll wait and see how it goes. But on paper, I think it's a mistake.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

Finally someone who shares the same opinion as me. I personally don’t get why they decided to do a multiverse-centric film. I was hoping that Avengers 5 would go back to the scale of the 2012 film and make a movie about introducing the new team with 6 or even 7 members. Take a few people like Sam Wilson, Shang-Chi and She-Hulk and make a movie about them meeting and starting the team with a smaller villain instead of this.

@Yic17Gaming

2 ай бұрын

@@juanluismendoza8655 Agreed. That would be the smart approach.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

@@Yic17Gaming I know right? It’s really baffling they’re not doing that.

Avengers 6 is gonna be like a Power Rangers reunion. That's just gonna inflate the bill, not drive up excitement

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you. Personally, I think Secret Wars is a terrible idea. I never liked that storyline, it’s just a dumb fanservice parade.

Kang claims to have killed all of the avengers so many times he couldn't recall...then loses to antman. lol

They were at DAZZLER'S concert They need a Thanos movie

Good

I'll obviously feel happy to have my mind changed, but so far I just haven't been able to get on board with kang as the new big bad of the MCU. They did pretty good with him on Loki with He who remains, but I think they dropped the ball with him in ant man. Hopefully the next time the character pops up that they're able to make me believe in kang as a thanos level threat

The council of Kangs will kill captain marvel, antman, and Hawkeye in avengers 5 to show that Kang is indeed a threat, that’s just my prediction

Sounds like the Avengers vs a disposable CGI army of faceless goons- I mean ‘Kangs’

@deyontar3462

2 ай бұрын

I'm assuming you've never watched an Avengers movie lol

@deyontar3462

2 ай бұрын

Have you ever watched an Avengers movie lol

we havent even seen the full strength of kang yet. He kicks ass and he will get your respect.

I’m glad they aren’t cutting Kang, character’s run hasn’t been the best quality, but I’d definitely prefer they try to end it with a bang rather than drop it completely!

The reason for the small amount of Thor is that they did not have a contract, so they needed his roll be easily removed or increased depending on how the new contract negotiations went.

I want more multiverse about as much as I want food poisoning.

What i had hoped for, was that Kang was at war with himself, his other selves, and the Avengers and other world avengers were stuck in the middle of the conflict. Kings goal shouldn't be to conquer a world, it was to conquer all the other versions of him so there could again be one sacred timeline. So Avengers 5 and the defeat of Kang or Secret Wars defeat of Kang would end with a single Kang and a single timeline again, but now it seems Loki 2 has sorta failed that. And all the Kang work together isn't right either.

I do question if they could use kang as a secret herald of galactus. I know its not a comic book thing, but would be cool as him calling to glactus (sorry if spelled wrong) that a second herald (silver surfer) could come

What will make it worse is what ever group pulls together to fight him, new people haven't shaped it so it will be all memberberries from original avengers

@tonileo9849

2 ай бұрын

And most likely pre mcu films

that was "he who remains" that got killed by sylvie not kang...

@Ranelicious

2 ай бұрын

he's still kang bruv

I’m curious as to what they’ll do with it because just having an army of kangs fighting the avengers doesn’t sound like the appropriate representation of the threat the two seasons of Loki set up. That sounds like avengers age of ultron with all the robots and even that didn’t really live up to the threat of ultron. It shouldn’t be about an infinite number of kangs to punch. The threat is that as long as he exists he is an inevitable destruction of the multiverse. It’s tackling the concept that even if “most” versions of Kang are benevolent scientists even if 1% of them are evil multiverse war waging threats, the effect is still the same. So it should be a much more existential threat than an “army of kangs” to punch if that’s what it ends up being.

I just hope Thor is in it 😄

@samanthamaclean1430

2 ай бұрын

Me too, it wouldn’t be the same without him and he needs to have that reunion with Loki

Usually love your takes (great show btw), but I vehemently disagree that Thanos was a scary threat leading up to his Guardians debut. The purple man with the colgate smile pumped no fear in Avengers. Neither did the lavender guy in that not so great Thor film.

This Kang storyline is ridiculous.. just drop it .. drop it

Avengers: The Swift Dynasty

darth vader was the most feared villain in films for a long time and he did next to nothing in a new hope,i say give kang a shot he has countless variants and we dont know his motivation yet,ppl cant wait to criticize and pick apart things to a point that film makers question themselves change things and mess up planned projects that ppl end up hating anyway,dont like it dont watch it,bond has made over 20 films with all kinds of bad guys,so he's not a bigger villain then thanos so what

Why should we need to know what Kang wants until now?!?!? This will be shown. Just not yet. Like with Thanos

I would put money on the fact that we're going to get a young avengers movie where they face off against Kang and defeat them. Which then ends with an end credit scene of doctor Doom turning up and obliterating the entire council of kangs cementing his power and then that will lead into secret wars with all the main and multiverse heroes. Secret wars will be a two-parter

@leekania8405

2 ай бұрын

Something like that at least.

Didn’t say it’ll still be Kang, could be Doom.

🤦‍♂️ I wish Kang didn’t have to go through his hot mess in court still went ahead and did avengers Kang dynasty without any personal problems

I’ve given up on marvel. Should of ended on a high at End Game unfortunately

I’m not gonna lie, the original idea sounded better to me, because even though it’s the focal point of this entire saga I have to admit, I’m really burned out on the multiverse at this point, yeah it was neat at first but now it just makes everything in this saga feel inconsequential because there’s always another version of this character out there, and the idea that the original draft of Kang Dynasty was actually gonna have less emphasis on the multiverse/cameo stuff was something I liked because it wasn’t just gonna be vomiting characters from different movies and universes everywhere, but I will admit, despite them doing a pretty piss poor job at making Kang seem like the next Thanos I’m glad they didn’t pivot away from having him as the main villain, because them sticking to their guns and saying “No, look, despite the fact that we haven’t done a very good job with this we should at least show some integrity by seeing it through to the end” Because if they were to pivot away from it and go the direction of say Doctor Doom then it would just seem like them desperately trying to win everybody back by caving into their demands, and good studios should never do that, never let fans bully you into changing things, even if it doesn’t always turn out the best always stick to what your original vision was, because at least then it shows you had a spine

Kang destroys 616 to restart history in his image after what Peter Parker did in No Way Home. Allowing everyone to forget his name and the memories with him just to stop more incursions. Creating a paradox in the 616 timeline. Kang erases timelines to erase paradoxes, which he doesn't tolerate. Since it breaks the balance of the timeline. How does that sound?

The New Avengers 1. Captain America (Sam) 2. Captain Marvel 3. Spider-Man 4. Black Panther (Shuri) 5. Namor 6. Shang-Chi 7. Cersei 8. Vision 9. Mr. Fantastic 10. Invisible Woman 11. Ant-Man 12. Wasp 13. Photon

@BorgesProduction

2 ай бұрын

Such a WEAK line up compared to the OG avengers

Well, their stubbornness on Kang is not a reassuring thing.

This is how you make Kang exciting to me in the next Avengers movie: change the name of the film from Avengers to Fantastic 4.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

And how does that help? Are you insinuating that people will be more interested if it’s a Fantastic Four movie? Should I remind that Fantastic Four is not as big as it should be? How none of the previous Fantastic Four movies did well critically and financially?

The point of Kang ultimately was to save existence from himself basically to protect life from the multiversal war of Kangs....this was undone in Loki sn2 when Loki became the god of time so now we need to know what does this mean for Kang since he/kang is no longer He Who Remains.

If that’s the plan I’m not interested 🙄

Moonraker IS cool!!!

Oh cool, instead of the big bad having a faceless cgi army, the big bad is going to BE the faceless cgi army.

@youngsterjones

2 ай бұрын

that was ultron 😂

Just keep majors

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but this sounds awful. What the hell is going on at Marvel man?! It’s starting to feel more and more like when Tony snapped. He took the MCU with him.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

False. As John said in the other topic, part of why Marvel suffered in the last few years was because they were mandated to do too much content. Sure, they could have done better but when you focus too much on quantity over quality, your content suffers greatly.

Granted, we didn't learn what was Thanos' goal until Infinity War, all we knew was that Thanos was after the Infinity Stones. However, there was this intriguing mistery to Thanos, that he was a feared figure across. The problem now is that Marvel has failed to hype up Kang as the next big bad of the MCU, and his Quantumania appearance didn't really leave a good impression on people, due to him being defeated by ants

They'll give the villain a philosophy and a plan. The question is will they have enough time to do that and make us root for the villain or feel bad for the villain in the span of one movie.

To me Kang has the potential to be scary because out of all the hero’s and villains in the multiverse he is the most consistent he’s intelligent willing to work with others of himself and the main drive is absolute power over all. Now you have to face a million variants of the same mindset is scary.

Hey John you havnt spoken about the potential teen titans movie that's in the works

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

He doesn’t care about the Teen Titans.

They should drop Kang. MCU really needs to get rid of time travel, multiverse, variants, etc. It's killing audience investment in the characters.

@OneManGSG

2 ай бұрын

They also gotta get rid of Skrulls too. I loved the Captain Marvel movie but I always thought that having unlimited shape shifters was gonna mess up the MCU.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

I agree 100% with you. The whole concept of the multiverse and alternate timelines is too comicbooky for general audiences. The Infinity Stones were easy to understand when they did that storyline.

Do Galactus or Dr. Doom.

Some People don't have an ulterior motive, they just want to see the world burn.

I always thought Avengers 5 would be the heroes of 616 versus the Kamgs and their Earth gets destroyed. Then Avengers Secret Wars would be all of the heroes from the 2000s and Deadpool saving the multiverse from the beyonder.

@juanluismendoza8655

2 ай бұрын

That’s a bad idea because it makes our central Avengers team look weak without the help of non-MCU heroes. At least when the Avengers lost to Thanos, they already had two victories against Loki and Ultron.

It all sounds weak to me. I agree! I ain't scared of Kang!!!!

The Beyonder should the next Villain, I think that He has prevented the X men in the MCU, i think that The Beyonder was behind He who Remains. Also i think that There should be a Council referred as the Council, I also think that Mister Negative should be a Nexus Being.

I think Kang’s motivation is to protect the sacred timeline.

Either way, we know for a fact Kang will be losing so there’s no excitement there

@Benergi

2 ай бұрын

No shit, ofc the avengers are eventually gonna overcome Kang 😂😂

@mrnegativepredictsthefuture

2 ай бұрын

@@Benergi yeah

@mightheal

2 ай бұрын

@@mrnegativepredictsthefuture Just like Thanos was always going to lose.

@mrnegativepredictsthefuture

2 ай бұрын

@@mightheal yeah

I was excited when endgame ended, and Marvel had just acquired fox I was thinking the next phase of the avengers would wind down a little bit and it would kind of be a reboot for the franchise where they started with new movies about the X-Men and fantastic four ( in the style or Ironman and all the phase 1 marvel movies )with very little sprinkled in from the avengers stuff And after enough time pass, they could reintroduce them as new cast. I don’t get why they’re so scared to do this every few years we had a new Spider-Man and a new Batman and a new Superman and it wasn’t that big of a deal. People won’t be mad if you redo these characters as long as it’s done right.

@alextheobserver1573

2 ай бұрын

Marvel is scared to death because of the failures that has happened on the movie side of things at DC. When DC tried to reboot Batman and reboot Superman, the Batman reboot went pretty well because it was 20 years since we had gotten any sort of Batman character and there were no properties out. The same also applies to Superman Man of steel However what round up happening was when DC tried to continue with this they retail the same origin story over and over again as they try to reboot the characters for different properties and that’s OK for the comic book audience, but for the thousands of other non-comic book readers you were not used to that sort of thing it can be jarring because it’s the same origin story basically just with different people in the lead the marvel is in a pretty tough position here because if they reboot the characters, it could do well, but not as well because the movie audiences not dumb they will be able to pick up on the fact that it’s basically the same origin story so this leaves them with only one option and that is to try to create something completely new pulling from some other resources.

@Jimmy074x4

2 ай бұрын

@@alextheobserver1573 this is true, but the X-Men origin was in 2000 and the Iron Man origin was in 2008. We’re coming up on 20+ years and they can do the characters differently. I feel especially with wolverine an origin story doesn’t have to be the beginning could be his own story with maybe a few flashbacks the same with Iron Man they don’t have to show how he first created the suit, I think what sucks more here is Robert Downey Jr. was so well at it. It would be hard to replace him, but it’s a problem I’ve had with Marvel casting older actors. Just like F4 they are all old already many years can you get out of them?

Oh crap! No one needs another marvel team up movie. Endgame was it! All people should care about now is a great solo Superhero movie.

Kangs goal is to prevent incursions.

I think a well written Dr. Doom would be a fantastic villian.

A bunch of Kangs vs The least popular Marvel characters sounds like a flop

You're using things Thanos didnt do until the Avengers movie to make it as if they made Thanos feared before that. Before his movie we saw Thanos sit in a chair and put on a glove. Thats it. We didnt know his philosophy or anything before Avengers Infinity War.

@NoName-pl7zm

2 ай бұрын

But we didn’t see Thanos get beat up by ants. We knew from other characters that Thanos was powerful and it built mystery and anticipation for infinity war. Kang got beat by ant man alone. And then had one of the cringiest post credit scenes ever

@stuckNcloudz

2 ай бұрын

@NoName-pl7zm I'm not disagreeing with what they did with Kang but let's not act like Thanos was some well fleshed out big bad before the Avengers movie. Kang would be the exact same as far as looming threat if they just didn't have him in Ant Man and Loki season 2. I just ain't like how they made it like so much effort was put into Thanos before the movie.

@NoName-pl7zm

2 ай бұрын

@@stuckNcloudz Thanos not being a fleshed out character was brilliant because mystery is so improtant that’s why infinity war was so anticipated because we finally got to see Thanos. They should have done something similar with kang and just not have him in ant man and especially not make him lose

@stuckNcloudz

2 ай бұрын

@NoName-pl7zm I don't disagree with that. Except... well he had to lose. Movies especially blockbuster movies tend to lean towards the hero winning. And because it wasn't Ant Man 3 part 1 they weren't going to have the main character lose. However where I agree is he maybe shouldn't have been in it to begin with.

Wesley Snipes Blade vs Kang variant Billy Banks using Tae-Bo. Is Feige losing his touch?

I think Kang could be a big threat the last season of Loki totally proved it He made Loki do that time loop all over again just so he could be in charge again and he is a big thread because there’s multiple Hims not just one person trying to do something and they all have different agendas

They just saying anything to sht on Kang at this point. Thanos was literally sitting in a chair chilling until Infinity War. What made him scary was them barely giving him any screen time. He was a presence in the background. Kang has had alot of screentime so far so maybe thats why he comes off as less scary but his whole concept is still a scary one it just hasnt been executed the best. Its like a monster in a horror movie the more you see it the less scary it is. In hindsight I think Marvel made a mistake putting him in Antman and making him lose the way he did.

@djomochris6903

2 ай бұрын

Completely agreed!

Well, Kang is the only Avengers level threat they even halfassed setup in phase 4 & 5 🤷‍♂