The breadth and depth of discussions between Danaher and Lex in this podcast makes me think they could start a new and exciting separate podcast. Two modern day geniuses with open minds and compelling interests.

@bisba2065

3 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome but i dont think they have the time to do that

@markocar69

3 жыл бұрын

Valid consideration. How about a periodical podcast? Once weekly?

@davidconnelly

3 жыл бұрын

Those two two modern day geniuses have just had a serious conversation about how people can reinvent themselves every five years. Their two examples were BOTH human beings whose starting point for this hypothesis was to be of age thirteen. Haven't any of those geniuses ever heard of puberty?

@pm7585

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidconnelly I did think using 13 year olds as an example was silly. Their minds are a sponge at that age. Just like kids can pick up languages usually better than adults, pick up the use of new technology etc.

@mrunfunny

3 жыл бұрын

@@pm7585 Not really, but if you believe so, here's the example of Josh Waitzkin. He is a chess IM who started tai chi at 21, won bronze at 26 and gold at 28 in the world championship. He was also a national champion in Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, and Heavyweight divisions. We often use our age as an excuse but it's just an excuse for our own laziness.

Agree 100%.🙏 I started practicing Muay Thai at the age of 36, a complete beginner. Within 3 years I won a bronze 🥉 in Muay Thai Nationals (India) 🙏

@punjatti101

3 жыл бұрын

That’s sick

@dheerajsharma7252

3 жыл бұрын

Where did u learn muay thai brother?

@TheMillieSmalls

3 жыл бұрын

@@brjm1604 Preach bruh. AGREED

@ray.n_l

2 жыл бұрын

@@brjm1604 they got solid wrestlers. The only famous one right now is Bajrang though.

@zefsagala4848

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing champ

“ a truly resourceful mind can overcome the majority of what fortune throws at us”

@champchamp8297

3 жыл бұрын

Steroids help too.

@RoqueMatusIII

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Israel back in the fay

@mihabrilj152

3 жыл бұрын

great motivation can beat superior forces

@darioam3329

2 жыл бұрын

@@joleaneshmoleane8358 ?

@OperationsAndSmoothProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Hard work trumps undirected talent.

"A coach creates possibilities, but it is the athlete that actualises the possibilities" - John Danaher

@FriedChikan

Жыл бұрын

Great quote and applicable to other careers 👏

@sambog2635

Жыл бұрын

the coach buys the steroids and the athlete injects himself, is more accurate!!

@TheDomLouis

Жыл бұрын

@@sambog2635 because the athletes can't afford to buy the steroids, obviously. 🤦

This message by john definitely has given people the confidence to go after their dreams because 5 years is a very reasonable time frame to obtain mastery opposed to to 10+

@iloveericchou

3 жыл бұрын

I listened to that part multiple times and hes brought up in interview with London Reals too. But i think “ 5 years mastery” to mainly only physical stuff or sports endeavours as opposed to other skills

@lranjits23

3 жыл бұрын

@@iloveericchou that varies on the skill especially your connection with what you’re doing

@gislanaepstein3013

2 жыл бұрын

k. Here's the problem. Yes during formative years it is possible because the brain is is wired to develop physically the most during these years so 13 to 18 cool but when you 40 that is not happening. Everyone knows this. He's not wise

@joys8634

2 жыл бұрын

@@gislanaepstein3013 40 is too old for sports lmao. 18-23,13-18, and 23-28 are more reasonable

@gislanaepstein3013

2 жыл бұрын

@@joys8634 agreed.

I completely agree. Most professional combat sport athletes have started when they were just little kids. But there are those who started martial arts in their mid 20's, and by 30 years old they are fighting for the belt or already have it. Don't allow others opinions or "common outlooks" restrain you from doing and accomplishing what you want!!

@sayan2368

2 жыл бұрын

☝🏽☝🏽🙏🏽

@ProfessionalRageBaiter

2 жыл бұрын

i feel the younger you are and the more dangerous the game is like boxing (hard hits to the head) the more better it’ll be to start later. rather than someone who’s boxed since they were 8 years old and has been through tournaments throughout their childhood. the more untouched the brain the better especially at the highest level

@saraseveryn8650

2 жыл бұрын

Mindset is everything. The mind is really powerful. Commitment and belief in yourself is so important.

@AtlanticCanadianAstronomy

Жыл бұрын

Daniel Cormier. 30's and started mma.

@thehighcommunity247

Жыл бұрын

@@saraseveryn8650 💯 Absolutely! I had a real breakthrough in Kickboxing from simply starting to really believe in myself. I guess it was a bit of a mental hurdle. My confidence came from the consistent training, and then realizing that I am very good for the short amount of time that I have been doing it. 🤙

"The more a sport involves skills and tactics, the less you will see genetics playing a role". Very true.

@user-os6vl1rh5u

3 жыл бұрын

Football or Soccer like we like to call is the only sport that comes to mind. Basketball, American Football relies too much on physicality

@delmanpronto9374

3 жыл бұрын

genetics will always play a role. ultimately the body is the instrument we have to use. try hitting a nail with all the skill in the world with a fragile hammer and competing with someone who has the same skill level but has a solid hammer to do the job with a few strikes.

@gonzothegreat1317

3 жыл бұрын

That's only true when you are talking about a particular pool of athletes. Considering the general population (aka everyone) genetics is the thing that puts you into a particular 'pool'.

@delmanpronto9374

3 жыл бұрын

@@gonzothegreat1317 even in a pool, skill evolves faster than biology. so ngannou gets smashed by stipe and within a year or so, evolves his skill and uses his biological advantage to return and absolutely destroy stipe. it's the reason we see very few asians in top league football or basketball. genetics can put people at an advantage for a certain length of time. there are also skills that cannot be learned without the body for executing them. genetics matters still and matters a lot.

@gonzothegreat1317

3 жыл бұрын

@@delmanpronto9374 Yeah, sure. You have to have the genetics to be an athlete. But if you do not use it, to build skills, it won't take you far.

Incredible speaker, I can listen to him all day. He has a very organized and linear way of speaking, while confident yet humble. No need for jokes, uncertainty, or any bells and whistles to his delivery. His power is in his belief in the weight of his words. His belief backed by many years of experience and success. Just from this clip alone I would want to be under his wing

@AGON17

3 жыл бұрын

If you have the ability to drop everything and go, move to Puerto Rico and train at his gym. He’s creating monsters out there. His purple belts can tap most other black belts. They train 3 times a day 365 days a year look up Gordon Ryan to see the results

@snap0179

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@dreamz808

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhorizon6050 damn how so?

@iorekby

2 жыл бұрын

@@AGON17 He did anyway. Very sad to hear the team broke up.

@tomgoulding1406

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhorizon6050 opposite of humble? Clearly don’t have a clue what you’re on about

Lex has developed a conduit to wisdom, and made us better than we were.

@muninnsmith7958

3 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@Gorgonzola0987

3 жыл бұрын

I’m worse

@bigpickles

3 жыл бұрын

A conduit. I like it :)

@StevenBrown-me

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigpickles Yeah, I was going to go with “series of tubes to smartness,“ but I flipped a coin :-D

@scoutwithoutclout

Жыл бұрын

Nah he's just a dude talking about cool things with cool people. How we choose to interpret those discussions is what allows growth.

I'm going through my own 5 Year Period. This time I'M in control. It wouldn't be the first time I gave real focus toward mastery. Before we build first we must break down.

My judo coach lost every match his first 4 years. 4 more years he made Egypt's Olympic team.

@Chris-hw4mq

2 жыл бұрын

impressive

@BoshBargnani

2 жыл бұрын

Or hes lying to you in order to motivate you.

@thedopesickshow

2 жыл бұрын

@@emjay3066 he coaches US's Olympic team and is on the Olympic committee, Tarek Moneir is his name.

@thedopesickshow

2 жыл бұрын

Btw, we have 2 national champions at our club and at junior nationals a kid that got 2nd. He got 2nd not because of a loss, but because he didn't hear his name called and it was counted as a loss.

@iorekby

2 жыл бұрын

@@emjay3066 To be blunt, Judo isn't particularly strong in Africa and because of the democratic nature of the Olympics, you will always see athletes from each continent represented in the Olympics. In other words, historically Africa and Oceania had relatively very easy qualification tournaments for Olympic Judo. You tended to see most of those athletes from those zones put out in the 1st or 2nd round in the Olympics, with occasional exceptions.

“Finding the right people “, so true.

I really believe in this man. I'm 23 now with very basic Martial Arts experience but I'm gonna commit 100 of my time to fighting now that I'm out of the military. Maybe I won't be champ of the world or something but I'm gonna be the best version of a fighter I can be. I personally believe that it's not to late for me.

@Legend-gv2nx

Жыл бұрын

18 and same

@khariboy9537

Жыл бұрын

Im 22, starting BJJ now and muay thai next year. Hopefully i can compete & win a few fights.

He gave two examples of teenage athletes coming of age at the beginning then said “ I could go on all day”. Neither of those are people reinventing themselves.

@rickm.10

2 жыл бұрын

You missed the point lol. The reinventing comes when people continue to get better and evolve with the rest of the competition. Those teenagers did that.

@jessefontenot9846

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm.10 teenagers can’t reinvent themselves. They have no baseline. There is no contrast. They started training like everyone else and found out that they were athletically gifted. The vast majority of people aren’t as gifted as they are but put in the same work. You’re missing the definition of reinvent.

@rickm.10

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessefontenot9846 I agree and disagree. The thing is, at least for me, I have to encourage my kids to advance and be better in life. I don't tell my kids they can be anything they want, but I won't stop my daughters from being a nurse and a chef, for example. Instead I encourage them if I think this is a generally and relatively good choice. This is at a small scale reinventing yourself. Lastly, the context here is competing, and competing at the highest levels is simply not for everyone. 👍🏼

@jessefontenot9846

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm.10 I’m not sure what you got out of my comment. In context his comment made no sense. Motivation and working hard is another subject outside of that comment. Why do you feel the need to affirm something I didn’t comment on. He’s a world renowned BJJ coach. A little criticism won’t affect him in the least.

@rickm.10

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessefontenot9846 what he said simply resonated with me. I didn't think it was a need, but you're right I'll stop 👍🏼 And yes, a little critisicm won't hurt him lol

Man the questions set are on point and the words this man spits in response are all gold. No bs and straight to the point. Unbelievable.

You 2 are amazing! Andrew you are a top notch professor and a stellar student! Thank you Lex!

This might be the most relaxed and calm interview I have ever seen. Both gentlemen are just so calm lol

@seanmarkowitz4216

Жыл бұрын

Need help going to sleep? Listen to these two

13-18 is a bit different than 40-45

@micahpediford

3 жыл бұрын

I think anything is possible. I’m 35. Yes your brain is harder to mold into new habits because of age but it’s still absolutely possible

@Izzydawizzy

3 жыл бұрын

@@micahpediford if you don't use it you lose it. I think that's how it goes. As you go day to day doing the same routine. Same job. You are also going longer with out learning much new things. In time it becomes harder to learn because your brain isn't used to learning.

@ranro7371

2 жыл бұрын

Expected lex to mention the age but he didn’t, pretty disappointing.

@4Mikes4Mindset4

2 жыл бұрын

@@ranro7371 maybe start thinking about the answer for yourself

@4Mikes4Mindset4

2 жыл бұрын

@TowelyTolstoiHRO 🎯👈👌

This is one or those interview clips i come back to every few weeks. Very good interview

Thank you, John. Thank you, Lex. This is exactly I’m what I needed to hear.

Thanks for sharing! Very encouraging to anyone who feels like they were dealt a shitty hand, or that it is too late to succeed!

Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video. Inspirational information regarding this 5 year rule.

Its so good hearing this coach, that he gives us a clear understanding of how a novice athlete from the very start, can become a world class champion,and the process it takes,,,,,even I understood it all...great insight..great video.

I'm in my 6th year of pursuing startups. I've learned from personal mentors and online resources. I'm a slow learner, but I've definitely improved. My app is about to launch in a month. I fully endorse the message in this video.

@sfipsalms8924

Жыл бұрын

What’s the app ?

@openomniverse446

Жыл бұрын

@@sfipsalms8924 it's a nutrition app that's going to be released in Toronto, Canada.

@Haadi42

Жыл бұрын

@@openomniverse446 bless you. Hope it works out

@user-gt2th3wz9c

Жыл бұрын

How is it going?

@manOfPlanetEarth

Жыл бұрын

@@user-gt2th3wz9c lost in abyss?🤷‍♂️🤔

Indeed they can, a little sazul don't hurt either

@suavecito7456

3 жыл бұрын

Supraphysiologal grappler

@notvaas3093

3 жыл бұрын

And trenbolone sandwich for breakfast

@Caspaah151

3 жыл бұрын

As long as they use the efficacious dose of sazul.

@333rdAlchemist

3 жыл бұрын

I’m finding these MPMD comments literally everywhere, pretty cool to see considering he was relatively unknown when I found him a year ago

@Yes-sc1pb

3 жыл бұрын

@@333rdAlchemist supraphysiological levels of algorithm

His words is like citing pages from Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers. Highly recommended!

Great stuff! Thank you very much.

Another athlete who managed to make a huge transition from amateur to professional in the span of 5 years is a tennis player named Jannik Sinner who decided to take tennis seriously at age 13 and then go on to become one of the biggest names in Italian tennis at 18

People like Lex and Huberman are doing admirable work enlightning humanity. Even bad english speakers as myself can learn more about everything by listening to this than by attending school in my homeland and similar shithole countries. Thank you, I give you Lebon prize for humanity.

@hyunjinlimb4089

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mind if I ask which country you are from? :D

@VidojeRekorder

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyunjinlimb4089 Not at all. I am from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

@seanpadraigobrien1260

2 жыл бұрын

In 5 years dedication you can master the English language more so than the English themselves

@DrRuhe

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanpadraigobrien1260 brate what r u talking about

@seanpadraigobrien1260

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrRuhe english language mastered in 5 years

Yup my dad was right the whole time. He always told me- if you wanna see what you’ll be like in five years. Look at how you are today

This man can make anything sound interesting...Respect!

After having my recording studio ended by the pandemic, I began to change course. It's been 2 years and 4 months and I've entirely and categorically changed the path I'm on. I never thought I would be doing what I'm doing/pursuing, but I know that in 2.5 years from now I am going to be infinitely happier and more successful financially than I was in 15 years prior, during which I changed my entire system basically every 5 years. Reinvention, I believe, is the key to happiness. I think it is our deeply sub/unconscious hunter gatherer/nomadic lineage. When we change, we not only change the way we see what we do, and thus ourselves, but we also change the way we perceive others and how we project onto them perceiving us. If I don't see my (almost) 6 year old for a few days or a week, he looks so different and more grown up. It's amazing how much time and perception intersect with growth. A lot of people say that life is short, but I disagree. Life is about living, and when you live -- truly live, not just work to save for retirement -- you realize that everything you do and everyone you meet, we are all in this bizarre circumstance of living on earth where anything can happen at any moment. Being bored and stagnant should never be on the table. Dream big and don't act with vigilance. Every day could be our last, and I need to live so that I can continue to hone my craft and grow as a human/partner/dad and face everything I've done, good and bad, with humility. This isn't a zero sum game and no one wins just because of X or Y. We're all going to die and if time really doesn't actually exist, then we haven't even been born yet, and we're already dead. Ok. Back to work for me.

@alexcaminiti

Жыл бұрын

@PEDREGART I was working in the old model of musician/band pays me for sessions/mixing. Musicians aren't great at time management, or a whole slew of things. They play music. I'm a musician, as well, so I get it. I have ADHD and BPD, both diagnosed in the past few years, both of which have affected my ability to effectively do the scheduling side of things, keeping things organized, not allowing records to drag on for months/years. I was never good at the old model...and it is evident that the old model no longer works for independent musicians anymore, anyway. The new model is an alternative to the old. I'm not trying to blow minds yadda yadda, I'm just seeing things from a different perspective. Instead of having a Pro Tools HDX system, I designed a one of a kind hard disk digital recording system that is totally unique in function and fidelity. Instead of having a location and pursuing EPs and albums/long term projects, I am mobile and pursuing one off sessions. Musicians perform best when they are relaxed, and something about the transactional environment of them paying me for my time/experience and buying an intangible good via my service (it's a weird intersection of goods/services), I am pursuing a per member fee for the AV session (16 ultra high fidelity audio tracks -- BAE 1073/DW Fearn VT2/JCF Audio AD8x2 DA8T, 8 EQs, 8 compressos, Bricasti M7, tons of my guitar pedals hooked up as studio FX, and timecode synced video -- insane) where I go to an area where a few artists/bands are down, we set up in a place that is unique to the area (I have a power station and can record anywhere with or without power/lights) and have a one off session. I mix -- LIVE -- and the mix is the mix that *I* want to make. It's not a conventional mix, it's crazy and tripped out and whatever I am inspired to create. That way we both get something out of the session and it's not transactional, rather, an an opportunity to create... Like what sessions are like when a label pays for the sessions, regardless of whether the payment is in the form of a loan to the band, most decent bands have always been able to make cash in the past with this model... but the model is gone. If artists/bands want to mix with me, any number of the songs. Then they pay me and we mix in person or virtual. If they want the tracks to work on themselves (that are being multi tracked as I'm mixing, live), then they pay me and I deliver them. Otherwise, the tracks get archived. If any of their fans want to act as a producer, then they can pay to have me mix a song, in person or virtual, and then any number of mixes can exist of that song and it can continue to be a source of revenue for the band (albeit small) and me, as well as a source of creative output from everyone involved, and a way to allow people to be involved with the music in a different and more tangible way. This way, the only options that exist are: $50/band member for session, mixing with me for X, buying the raw audio and video for Y, having fans remix for Z. It's a simpler and less stressful model, but it hasn't been proven yet. I'm just finalizing the rig, and it's amazing, and I'm going on vacation next week prior to GO TIME. I see it more so as restarting my career with a different perspective, focus and not trying to be different while essentially being the same. Option Paralysis in digital recording/the DAW is a very real thing, and I don't think people truly understand the extent to which it negatively affects the pace and quality of creative output, and I've built a system that doesn't work with a DAW, and is intended to work quickly without sacrificing fidelity. I've also been slowly building a web series... But I won't make any cash from that for a while... But I will, eventually. Everything is all connected and boredom and failure are not options. I think once you pursue THAT, which is to say, the antithesis of boredom and failure... And stay focused on deep work and fast turnaround creative output, that where success lies. I'm no longer disappointed that I don't have a recording studio in a single location. I don't want that, and never did, even though I thought I did because it's all I knew. I'm stoked to be pushing boundaries and working on music using my hands and ears, not my mouse hand and eyes. The DAW is a wonderful and terrible thing, and I realized that modern production is essentially recording to edit/fix, not recording to listen/mix. The job of an engineer shouldnt be editing to make someone sound like they can play, it should be making how they play sound the best and most creative and original possible.

@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone

Жыл бұрын

@@alexcaminiti nice! Love the concept. I’ve had a similar experience in the covid era and while I did decide to go back to having a day job, where I like the ppl and don’t mind the work, I decided to stop the recording/production routine and build a diy custom ableton live rig where I can jam the way I used to as a guitarist in a hardcore band. Without getting into the pointless gearhead details, I’m using a lot of different midi controllers of various forms as well as some I’ve made myself, a mac, 2 iPads running in the position you would usually have outboard fx on one and midi manipulating triggers on the other, then of course a mic for my mouth, one for real time sampling of “stuff”, a midi drum pad piece so I can rock out, a guitar as a midi controller/actual guitar, and a midi pedal that triggers the loop or one shot recording and playback specifics. Took me FOREVER and lots of gear bought and returned and I’m DONE with the option paralysis finally that I feel my ambition to create a system has come to fruition. I did have a good couple years where I was gear and software mad and wanted everything but once I was able to sell back a piece of high end mpc gear because it just over complicated my process and was adding nothing but redundancy, I finally accepted that I would only want/consider any new purchases if there was no way I can do whatever the item does even using what I have in the most creative, combined, integrated , etc techniques using the controllers with modified functions or simple mapping, coding a custom Max or Kontakt program or effect, or using some combination of smaller tools on phones or pads or even finding a solution inside Ableton or another unique plugin That made the cut. Results are; I feel like I’m jamming with my friends or playing a show everytime I turn my rig on, I am proud as hell of many of the solutions I’ve come up With and deeply enjoyed sketching out the possible techniques, I’ve continued adding to my knowledge of music theory and genres and in sound/audio in other contexts and continuously applied all I know into my setup and keep searching dj’s, producers, engineers, etc to find as many new ways as I can to make the production process dynamic and living and trying to open up every closed circuit in performing, arranging, syncing, transitioning, collaborating, etc aspects and all of these elements of music and sound are melding into a single concept since there isn’t really a static moment where I press stop and copy stuff into an “arrangement”, it’s done on the fly. The biggest influences were tim exile, Beardyman, Kj Sawka and mr. Bill, but each of them has a specific purpose so I could only borrow little bits from each and fill in the blanks. My girlfriend has also been involved, trying to integrate a video/visual side thats just as free form yet can sync to timecodes or bpm n also she has a counter that starts to blink and countdown when a change is about to happen, but it’s on her to hope she goes the same direction with the next part as the music does! Of course some things can be synced to beats as a pulse or color change, image change etc so lots of her stuff can have its foundation programmed to follow certain aspects of what I’m doing and it leaves her open to do more interesting things as a focal point. Wow sorry for that rant. I loved seeing ur idea and had to rant on mine since it’s not the kinda thing you often get an excuse to talk about even though it’s probably my favorite hobby I’ve ever had since it’s an amalgamation of most of my previous hobbies and abilities blended into a single Experience that’s been as orgasmicly fun to make as it is to play! All started with, “i wish my studio could be played like a guitar in a band or the way an Mc might freestyle. How’d I lose my punk/ jazz in the moment sensibilities?”

This guy talks like he’s guiding your daily meditation

So much respect for Danaher. Dudes a legend, GSP put him on the map Imo

@victorthai5165

Жыл бұрын

no no, John put GSP on the map. GSP won so many of his fights because of John's wisdom.

This video is so true. I started working out at 19, i got to dunk at 24, got to lifting 325 on deadlift, doing planche push ups, my first backflip all in the same time frame. I never did any steriods or anything. Just working out almost everyday and taking a couple weeks off every 2 months. I mean, where i got wasn't the best ever, but it blew my mind how far i got from the time i was 19.

@billj4525

Ай бұрын

Good for you man, you can do amazing things natural with incredible genetics. I'm almost 40 and natty, and my gains are unbelievable. In fact, I never see nattys at my level, very hard to find, even people on juice who take lifting very seriously are usually far behind me. People don't even think my strength and muscle mass are possible as a natty. Benching 405 for a few reps, and hitting the 150's dumbbells on incline for 8 reps, which is a current PR. 455 squat for 8. Never did steroids, but I do weigh 240 pounds with abs. Not super super lean, but very lean for a natural at that weight. I have been lifting pretty much on and off my whole life. I was drinking and partying a lot in my 20s so my results were actually pretty bad in my 20s. I have been hitting it very hard since then though. I will never stop going heavy since I believe heavy lifting is very positive as you age. In the 60's you likely will notice some loss regardless of how hard you try to keep it though. Building that connective tissues actually makes injuries less likely, not more likely. Keep up the good work. I dedicate myself very hard to anything I get into, and working out is just an example.

So long as you don't die you'll get through it. Life is an endurance race. Run fast or run slow you'll finish in the same time but distance you run is up to you. You may may get way out ahead of everyone else but being in the lead is always a lonely place because there is no one up front with you. If you want company you might have to wait for everyone else to catch up.

"if you can compete with the top 25 in your sport, you have mastered that sport" Such a simple concept but something you've never thought about. 100% accurate.

Francis Ngannou is another good example of this 5-year bottom-to-top trajectory

@94462

3 жыл бұрын

His amazing genetics 🧬 played a part tho

Love listening to John

Most powerful words and truth than I’ve heard in a while

The bjj world is truly blessed to have this man! 🤙🏻

I just got introduced to Danaher and I enjoy listening to him a lot so far (particularly on Jiu-Jitsu), but I feel like some of his arguments in this video are rather flawed, albeit in ways that feel very human when keeping in mind his background and perspective: 1) The five-year examples he gave are examples of people with probably world-class genetics who started their respective activities in their early teens, at a time when neuroplasticity is still high and bodies are undergoing rapid evolution. While I agree that we tend to underestimate how much we can change later in life with focus and dedication and might even agree that it's possible for many of us to 'reinvent ourselves' in smaller but meaningful ways over the course of a couple of years, these examples simply don't speak to that. 2) Like many people, he seems to intuitively associate genetics with physical tangibles and skills with hard work. The inconvenient truth is that both partially depend on work and partially on genetics. Chess is almost entirely based on 'skills and tactics', and the share of people who could ever even come close to being good enough to competing with someone truly world-class, even after 10 years of singularly focused training, is likely negligible. 3) His definition of mastery (being competitive with a top-25 individual) seems, to me at least, extremely restrictive, as it basically implies that there can only be somewhere between 50 and 1000 people in the world having mastered any one thing, irrespective of how many people are attempting it. 4) Training methods will be a dominant factor if and only if you're competing with people who train much less optimally than you, simple as that. He implicitly acknowledges this in some of his remarks about rugby and wrestling, but also ignores it when trying to weigh the importance of training methods versus that of genetics and other factors. In thinking about these points, I was also reminded of another great Lex podcast though, in which Brian Johnson shared his insight that the biggest value of receiving advice often lies in the opportunity to put yourself into the advice-giver's shoes and investigate the "assumption stack" behind their words, i.e. the experiences that led them to their opinion in the first place. In the case of this clip, it struck me, then, how beautifully all of the above points seem to connect with what little I know about Danaher's personal story: Perhaps, if I had gone from being a young man with severe knee problems to being a world-class martial artist, I too would have a slightly exaggerated belief in the power of personal reinvention. Perhaps, if I had studied my way into a PhD program at Columbia and into being one of the greatest martial-arts teachers in the world but been unable to overcome my own injury-problems with that same work ethic, I too would tend to associate genetics and luck with physical attributes and training and hard work with skills and tactics. Perhaps, if I were to have mastered a discipline that is practiced by relatively few people compared to more major sports, I too would have a fairly restrictive notion of mastery in terms of absolute numbers. And perhaps, if the two major sports I'd engaged in throughout my life were both marked by strong disparities in the quality of instruction across different cities and countries, I too would have internalized that training methods are more important to success in sports than other factors. Or perhaps not, and this read is a reach. After all, the things I know about this man's life are dwarfed by those I yet have to learn. In any case, thanks for the clip, Lex. Stimulating as usual.

@jonathanlee546

Жыл бұрын

Very, very well-written.

@Eng_Simoes

Жыл бұрын

I unironically think Lex should invite you for an episode

@billj4525

Ай бұрын

Good points. A lot of the same arguments and reasons I thought his statement was a bit flawed, and others I wasn't thinking about. Well though out and written.

it`s always interesting to listen to john danaher. It`s never superficial. It`s always deep and well thought. You can see that he love sports especially the ones he trains like jujutsu and speaks like a nerd, when he speaks about them ; )

Excellent food for thought

10,000 hrs = approximately 5years of full time effort. Works the same in any other craft such as business or engineering or tech

@georgiosyiannakou5537

3 жыл бұрын

Malcolm Gladwell - Outliers

@rm9308

3 жыл бұрын

The problem is Danaher used 13-year-old phenoms as his examples. This may not be a requisite, but he didn't give examples of 45-year-olds or even 25-year-olds accomplishing the same kind of development.

@rm9308

3 жыл бұрын

@@thetruth9816 Thanks, those are real reinventions in adulthood. Danaher set a weird bar talking about Mike Tyson, which was just a phenom going through adolescence with good coaching, not a reinvention.

@headlights-go-up

3 жыл бұрын

@@thetruth9816 Ngannou is as much of a phenom as you can get.

@Self-kn4ez

3 жыл бұрын

Peak by Anders Ericsson is a pretty good read about those who reach Top levels in their field. It explained that for almost all skill based learning is learned through deliberate practice. And the amount time spent in deliberate practice determine the height that one can reach. Not genetics or IQ. Deep Work by Cal Newport is also a really good read.

It might sound an arcane philosophical question, but I think it's actually a practical point, especially as technology makes radical reinvention ever more possible- if we reinvent ourselves too much, even for the better, do we lose any central sense of ourselves? Even if you're then happy with the new you, do you have a subtle emptiness from losing any meaningful sense of stable identity? Even if Buddhism and David Hume etc. are correct about there being no permanent self, I wonder if it's best to hold on to some things, even if they're objectively negative, just so that, even if it's ultimately illusory, we can feel like proper human beings with proper identities.

@neemnoa303

2 жыл бұрын

Why should your identity be connected to what you do as a professional, or your hobbies? It's even worse when someone's identity is their race / ethnicity / sexual orientation. Your identity should be the way you think. Your identity should be your morals, your values, your tastes in art and aesthetics. That way you can throw yourself into any hobby, any profession, or any community, and still stay true to yourself.

@iorekby

2 жыл бұрын

@@neemnoa303 Dude you've obviously never been to a BJJ gym. Half the people in a BJJ gym think doing BJJ counts as having a personality lol.

@nomathic7672

2 жыл бұрын

@@iorekby Same for rock climbing, iron man training, any high intensity sport. Typically from the guys that got into it in their 30s.

@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone

Жыл бұрын

I know I’m not the first to say this, but to find your TRUE essential identity, you need to remove all the arbitrary labels and parameters from your job, your history, to your age, gender and even your name…what remains is the actual enduring “you”, and that self can’t really be described in any way without muddying the concept. So whatever that essence, in its current physical form and current state of mind, both shaped by experience and information, but without any need to consider specific memories, is basically an organic experience having agency, set in the current context of the moment and environment, and there is most likely nothing consistent or stable about the mind in the moment, and that’s the closest aspect of an identity that has existed since our conception, yet who can say if it’s changed enough to have any consistency with the same essence at birth. So forget about stable identity, you know who you are if you practice enough self reflection and learn to see past your own ulterior motives, and this opens us up to be simultaneously unchanging in a way and little more than an observing, thinking, feeling abstraction in a constant state of flux and transition, which is very comforting once accepted, and I have no issues with confidence and feel very alive most of the time. I’m also always available to change course or change my level of devotion to something I’m doing like my job. I can be a slacker for a year and then 360 into taking it very seriously and moving up the ladder if I’m willing to grind. To be happy, the thing I require most beyond the basics, is constant novel experience. I love learning new things that open the world up to me. For example in the last 5 years it’s been multiple programming languages, learning to actively watch films and appreciate so many new things involved in their creation and becoming a cinephile, and learning music theory and how to create a diy electronic music setup that I can play in the way that I could play guitar and jam with others, which took so much research and learning since I had no good blueprint to follow. I work 50 hour weeks minimum on top of this stuff in mgmt. So I had no idea about how to summarize myself but I can tell you what I’m up to and love to bullshit and just engage and talk with good people. Hume is right. But I think maybe Jung and Nietzsche understood it better but knowing how we are both empty and mundane yet we are the manifestation of potential given form.

@IDontLikePplPlayinOnMyPhone

Жыл бұрын

Got carried away lol but to connect that your question, I never lose any of myself, or at least not in a clear moment that I can identify any loss. Whatever I have been is sorta consumed by my psyche and becomes a part of my subconscious self and I don’t lose that consciously either just because I’m always moving or graduating towards the next interest or ideal. I don’t say goal because that language isn’t accurate for the way I tick. I feel like it’s just in my dna to always want to add to myself for nothing but the sake of doing it and fleshing out the lens through which i can understand my relationship to all and other human experience and to the act of living life itself and specifically living it under the conditions that make me able to use context to connect the dots to the same being I was from birth. I just don’t really have any motivation to connect to the past since I’m sure it’s mark has been left quite deeply on my present manifestation and i suppose that’s what gives me the “character” I have, at least in social reality. I won’t argue against any view since we don’t KNOW, but wether we have a soul of sorts or I am just a bundle of different concurrent functions running under the illusion of a single operating system called “me”, I’m totally content with any possibility in that respect. Shit, I would prob put my money on my guess that a human is merely an organ of the universe created over vast time scales to be able to analyze its own structure, laws and ontology and to participate in phenomenal experiences of being. Made from the same cells created when everything else was, so I guess we might just be little mirrors created from the cosmos to be able to reflect on itself with no greater purpose for ourselves. Probably way off, but I like that idea. Being such a unique cog in the cosmos makes quasars and supermassive black holes feel less intimidating!

very helpful thanks

So good 👍 thank you for this video

What a compelling concept! I suppose someone like Leonardo da Vinci or Goethe is just constantly reinventing himself. Goethe, seemingly never content with how much he'd mastered, had just taken up learning Arabic when he died.

Look how much Charles Oliveira changed in 5 years...

@BoshBargnani

2 жыл бұрын

You can say that about any of these guys who go on juice. Jorge Masvidal is like a completely different person physically since his journeyman days.

@dean9046

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshBargnani juice? lmao

@iorekby

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshBargnani I mean while that is probably true, it doesn't invalidate John''s statement.

@denatov

2 жыл бұрын

Jan Blachowichz to and Stipe Miocic after the JDS loss

Well spoken and extremely informative. Quality content

I've been seriously considering picking up Muay Thai for a while now. After watching this I've made the decision to start next week.

It's great to see Stefan Molyneux back on KZread.

@hansgullickson4080

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t a quick double take. Lol

I didn't know Lex Luthor did BJJ.

@javier6283

2 жыл бұрын

Delete that profile pic, or you're next

@humann5682

2 жыл бұрын

Mouth breather comment.

@buckdancer5975

2 жыл бұрын

He trained in a gym with lead-lined walls

Amazing insights.

To add to Danaher's Russia point, Cuba also has massive success in wrestling despite having a small number of wrestlers. From what I understand, they adopted the Soviet style of training way back and it is still paying dividends.

This was really interesting but I think he missed one thing about disproportionate amount of talent coming from certain places. The amount of time spent playing a sport when young. There are people like Rodney Mullen who became the best at their sport in a complete bubble, totally self taught. I think the reason you see a disproportionate amount of athletes come from certain areas is because they spend a disproportionate amount of time in their youth on that sport. I'm Canadian and when I went to Scotland as a kid I found that even the worst soccer players there would fare well in our competitive leagues because they had spent more time on average exposed to that sport

@tomparke2407

3 жыл бұрын

Long term obsession at any age can lead to really astounding results. Rodney Mullen was completely obsessed and distraction free training with a one-man device. Obviously he couldn't do what he did with jiu-jitsu, but I'm sure a guy like Rodney in another place and context could become just as obsessed with something like jiu-jitsu and excel.

@jewellui

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps it’s also about having skilled team mates and opponents to push yourself and share knowledge to take things to another level.

I probably wouldn't start off with two examples of people who "reinvented" themselves from age thirteen to eighteen.

@whitestguyuknow

2 жыл бұрын

That's just coming into their own. Not denying the work but you're just starting to become an adult and shed childhood

In high school basketball I went from bench player as freshman to captain and Ace of the varsity team my senior year. I started my basketball career in 8th grade. Didn't play college because of injuries. Although my college did win a championship last year. That's 5 years.. couldn't agree more.

@johnbags2525

Жыл бұрын

Cool Al bundy!

Genetics play a huge role. “Athleticism” isn’t just running fast and jumping high, some people are just born with far more coordination, being aware of their body in space than others. Some people just literally are born with better nervous system, they way some people are born to be 6’9”

I personally believe that for every individual out their who has been considered the GOAT of their sport there is an average Joe who could beat them and doesn't even know it for various reasons. Maybe they live in BMF and getting to a training center isn't realistic. Maybe they can get to a training center but their broke. Maybe that sport doesn't even interest them in the slightest even though they are a prime candidate for it. For example, I truly believe there are people out there right now who could snatch the belt from each of the current UFC champions but it's just not their thing, not their goal for whatever reason.

@alejandromunoz2853

3 жыл бұрын

idk man that would be a hell of an anomaly(hopefully I spelled it right)

@benhallo1553

Жыл бұрын

Well obviously

I think it’s important to start really early, and then the effects of time hit hard in the mid 30’s. One reinvention per lifetime, in competitive martial sports, might be the limit.

@Lb-cm7yy

Жыл бұрын

No limits

@benneywenney

6 ай бұрын

Your opinion holds no weight, you bumbling baboon when obsession is met with faith you know no such word as impossible.

This is awesome talk from start to end! Love it! Thank you, Lex!

this is interesting when you compare it to what is happening in "youtube boxing". Your bodies ability to adapt is a-lot better than most people think. look at ross edgley's swim around Britain. yeah he was a good swimmer, but he still adapted so much in such a short time. you realise you can push through so much more then you believe.

5 years when you start at 13 is different from when you start at 30, for instance, but I definitely agree with the idea. You can definitely improve things as a long-term goal

@erasylnash6697

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what he means by committing FULLY to sport. 30 yo physically can’t commit himself to anything like a teenager

@joacoballarati5943

Жыл бұрын

The problem with 30s is that usually people have other priorities, jobs, families and so on. That does not allow them to inmerse into whatever sport they begin. I still think that if they do get inmerse despite other priorities and also have certain natural skillset they can. At 30 you are still at the top of your physical condition for 4-5 more years

@calvinbutler5517

Жыл бұрын

Yep I was waiting for him to give an example that didn’t involve an athlete being created during puberty. Oh well, it’s a positive message that has some truth to it.

Better living through chemistry !

@christiansimmons7354

3 жыл бұрын

@@DeSpaceFairy he's implying Gordon is using roids

@christiansimmons7354

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@ibraheemali7028

3 жыл бұрын

Ƨpɒcɘ Fɒɪrƴ by roids i think he means peds in general.but most people use the word steroids because it's more recognizable i think.

@ibraheemali7028

3 жыл бұрын

Ƨpɒcɘ Fɒɪrƴ so you're assuming he's not taking endurance peds like the ones you mentioned alreagy lol.of course he's on at least one of them.

@ibraheemali7028

3 жыл бұрын

Ƨpɒcɘ Fɒɪrƴ that mostly comes from the fact that higher level practitioners know how to "work you" which means they always trying to find an opening while conserving energy.they know what to do to get a better position and make things more difficult for you while making things easier for them .it takes years to develop that kind of positional awareness.

11:25 Yuma AZ home to several MMA greats such as Cain Velazquez, Efrain Escudero, Kelvin Gastelum.

Man I learn more about life in ten minutes with Dan than I have learned in the last 5 years.

I mean Greg popovic is who he is for a reason, just an amazing coach who still had great players in the HOF on his team. I look at danahar as that type of coach for jiu jitsu. Just amazing at training programming and adapting to his players styles and working with their creativity

I need him to do all of my audiobooks lmao

I love listening to this guy

His examples are in youth. Starting things at a young age, the first five years will always be a time of extreme growth. I would call inventing and developing yourself rather than reinventing. Show me someone who was unskilled after five years of their career and then went into a total different direction. I totally agree with everything else he's saying though.

@User61918

Жыл бұрын

He started jiu jitsu at 28.

I'm amazed at how thoughtful this gentleman is. He sounds like more of a philosopher to me than an athlete.

@LarsAndersenFrihed

2 жыл бұрын

Jeg has a PhD in philosophy. 😄

@jgoat4

Жыл бұрын

he does have a phd and he also isn’t an athlete so you’re right on the money

when I saw that thumbnail, I thought it was you on the left, and I thought, " DAMN, I never knew Lex was so jacked! He hides it under all those black clothes!"

Great job on getting an interview with Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

This is what I want from my martial arts training. Not equal to people who been training since childhood. But impressive competitive skills in 5 years. Here’s to sweat, tears, and bloody knuckles!

A 13 year old is not a 23 year old, or a 33 year old, or a 43 year old. That timeframe starting at early adolescence is a time of explosive neuroplasticity, physical growth and skill and confidence development for everyone The young adolescent, while not a blank slate, has far far less to unlearn than someone older. Danaher's two examples were of young adolescents. I would like to hear about similar examples but involving people in their 30s or 40s or 50s.

@hazardeur

Жыл бұрын

jup, that segment didn't make any sense to me

@PLUSHAMANIA

Жыл бұрын

I only certain fighters that made great jumps at later Ages. Sergio Martinez start boxing at 22 and went on to be a Champion in his weight class. Bernard Hopkins when on to become a champion at age 46, oldest boxer to do that. Chuck Liddell started MMA at I think was age 29. Nate Quarry while never becoming a champ also started training at 24 with no fighting experience prior. Mark Hunt I believe also started fighting in MMA at like age 36.

@user-kq6ju6hc1w

Жыл бұрын

The mindset it takes to type a comment like yours is most likely why you can't comprehend this idea. Ignorance is a strong tool in certain scenarios.

@Michael-df8yd

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kq6ju6hc1w tbhhh

@mikemulligan4662

Жыл бұрын

Lol I knew a guy, when he was 3, he couldn't even read or write, but by the time he was 8 he had reinvented himself and could even walk without tripping. Think about what you can do!

Finland produces crazy levels of talent in hockey with a population of just 5 million. What John talks about at the end is very true and interesting

@iorekby

2 жыл бұрын

Same in so many places. Wales as well in Rugby, 3 million people and crazy good. And the converse is true: if it wasn't about the culture and coaching, China would be the best at every single popular sport in the world lol. But we know they are not. For example their men's football team has only qualified once for the world cup, and they finished 31st out of 32 teams at that time.

@aleksandarj.8369

Жыл бұрын

Serbia in basketball or voleyball

10:50 "Hold my beer" Kane Williamson, Black caps

a lot of students quit as consequence of love. As a teacher, I was clever enough to have my partner on the mat every day, it's awesome

Just to give a further example, and one that has always stuck with me. I'm probably misremembering some of the details, but the former long-time English No 1 table tennis player Matthew Syed wrote about a time when 12 world/national level table tennis players all spawned from the same street in England, including himself and another 5 of Englands top 10, all at the same time. The reason was that a local community worker, who just happened to be a good table tennis coach, installed a table tennis table at the local community centre which was open 24 hours a day, and all these kids practiced against each other relentlessly. Syed's father installed his very own table in their home, and Syed went on to be the best and most successful of this bunch. I would recommend Mr Syed's book 'Bounce', it goes into detail about some of the stuff John is talking about here. One other example I recall him mentioning was that one small tennis club in Moscow produced more top 20 female tennis players in the 80s, than the entire US combined.

A great interviewer let's there guest speak 👏🏻

@ko2ni

3 жыл бұрын

The Jabber Of Jobbies A great interviewer let's they’re guest speak 👏🏻

@israeladesanya262

2 жыл бұрын

@@ko2ni Damn, you had a 50% chance of getting the correction right and you blew it. It's "A great interviewer lets their guest speak. 👏🏻"

@ko2ni

2 жыл бұрын

@ Israel Adesanya wooosh. Right over your head

@israeladesanya262

2 жыл бұрын

@@ko2ni Nice try

@ko2ni

2 жыл бұрын

Please don’t be sore over this…

I found someone like me in John Danaher. It turns out there are greatly insightful people in the arts.

I love John Danaher!

Everything about a person is affected by genetics. I think some guys cling to the idea that hard work will overcome genetics in skill because it's an attractive concept reflected in ancient myths and modern popular culture; the underdog rising up to the challenge but there's no evidence that our brains and central nervous system is NOT affected by genetics just the same. Even your will power is ultimately determined by your gene expression to some extent.

@sulimansyed2444

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an excuse to not change or work hard. There are obviously genetic limits to anyone, it if you have not pushed yourself , where do you know the limit it

@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252

3 жыл бұрын

@@sulimansyed2444 I'm not saying you should not work hard although working smart is even more important. Skill is highly genetic as well. Did Diego Maradona become the soccer player he was because he trained harder than everybody else? Probably not. Beyond a certain point training hard simply gets you injured, especially in sports. You can tell your limit to some extent by looking at where you start out; someone who starts out weak can become decent but not great. If you want to be great at something, invest in something that you are good at from the beginning. You cannot really turn your weaknesses into strengths but you can greatly amplify your strengths.

Nick Diaz has just been reinventing himself

It's crazy how all this info applies to so many feilds

John Dana is a genius!

DOH I wish I knew this four and a half years ago 💫 LOL

@tonytuttle8018

3 жыл бұрын

Shit, I wish I knew this 40 years ago.

It's not just 5 years. It's 10,000 hours (i.e. 40 hours a week for 5 years).

@sambog2635

Жыл бұрын

so is just 5 years lolololssss

My two daughters are in Taekwondo, I love how strong and healthy they are!

Get after it people!!! We got this

i just noticed danaher isnt wearing a rashguard

@luvcalv

3 жыл бұрын

first thing i noticed

I wonder if Lex ever read a goosebumps book.

Small, but potentially valuable context to John’s argument. While discussing genetics, he only focusing on its effect on the human body. However, mountains of evidence in behavioral genetics point to the strong impact of genetics on intelligence / creativity / personality, which certainly are important parts of the conversation about elite martial arts technicians and strategists. Accounting for that, genetics (at the highest level) play a significantly more impactful role than is being acknowledged here.

Does this apply outside of sports, and for older people?

How many examples are over 20/25?

@LeeNguyenLeeMobile

3 жыл бұрын

Not sports related but many Nobel prize winners accomplished their best work after their 30s.

@user-uj5pc7dy2j

3 жыл бұрын

GSP learned wrestling well into his 20s and became one of the cleanest wrestlers in MMA during his reign.

@stuartperry-hughes5969

3 жыл бұрын

I think the point is that you have guys starting at 13 fighting athletes who might have been on the mats since they were four or five and already have years of top level experience. BJJ is definitely far from making best use of training time, sports science etc. Matt Thornton said something similar years back that approach to training can massively accelerate your progress. And at the end of the day, you can still compete at a high level and be in the top 0.1% of people who enter the sport.

@stuartperry-hughes5969

3 жыл бұрын

Also John himself had no grappling training before he was 28 and might be the best BJJ coach on earth today.

@monikap8777

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeeNguyenLeeMobile they studied far longer than 5 years...

With the right injections, absolutely. What Gordon's chemist has achieved has been remarkable and a testament to the sport

Whats thw thumb about? Befire and after peds?

The most valued 12min 49seconds of information i've adopted in years of KZread, very insightful factual conversation!