this channel should be mandatory viewing for pilot training.

@sunriseboy4837

4 ай бұрын

And maintenance engineers.

I'm not a pilot, but in my profession, any software that is responsible for critical actions doesn't allow info to be carried over. You enter the info and run the operation, then all of the input data clears. It forces you to re-enter all of the data. The BLT software should operate like this in my opinion.

@brunoais

Жыл бұрын

I think it should clear after some time, not immediately. For this software... with the limited information I have, I'd auto-clear after 1h.

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

The problem is you're a peon and your opinion doesn't make any money, but I'm on your side!

@santprakashgoel9670

Жыл бұрын

​@@brunoais

@santprakashgoel9670

Жыл бұрын

sant Prakash Goel ghaziabad

@brunoais

Жыл бұрын

@@santprakashgoel9670 ?

As soon as I saw the tail of the aircraft dragging along the runway I knew in my gut that this was going to be a case of improper weight inputs. What a horrible and tragic way for those seen people to go to the afterlife.

@sunriseboy4837

4 ай бұрын

Well spotted. I wonder if the t/c's spotted that also?!

I’ve been waiting for you to do this. I joined MK about 18 months after this happened. Commercial pressures were there then, and remained until the end. Asking crews to do 14+ hr days was the norm to keep the show on the road. ‘It’s gotta go' was the mentality from the commercial dept, crews regularly ran into 'captain's discretion' on duty times. This accident could have been avoided, but from what I experienced, from the way the place was run, it was a matter of 'when', not 'if'. The crews, ops, engineering and crewing had some really good people - but when £ and $ comes before all else, it’s a recipe for tragedy. 😔

@mohamedalhaneef1260

Жыл бұрын

İf i had an airline company i would make sure to pay up the engineers and the pilots

@Izmael1310

Жыл бұрын

@Love To Travel Roughly - v1 162 - 165 vR 170-175 v2 180-185 - dont know exact engines type and if there is a difference in take off performance between F and BCF variant. I wonder if they decided to use ° 20 flaps for the incorrect take off weight or for the correct take off weight. The °20 seems accurate for the real take off weight not for the weight they had in the FMC (incorrect take off weight for this departure as they were much heavier).

@riverwildcat1

Жыл бұрын

Airlines are rarely secure economically for a number of reasons beyond their control. The cost of fuel is a huge determining factor. Also, the grounding of certain planes with technical problems can wreak havoc. Add in the Wuhan virus, and profits evaporate. These pressures can cause reckless behavior.

@mattalbrecht7471

Жыл бұрын

@@riverwildcat1 agreed! And once upon A time, if the world wanted to punish China for the Wuhan flu, they would have simply stopped trading with them. They would have stopped flying into china, they would have stopped shipping things to china, they would have stopped buying things from china, just to teach them a lesson that you don't mess with the world. But, China is so much the center of everyone's universe because they have bought their way into every market with cheap labor, that you need them for your medicine, you need them for half the stuff you put on your table, for half the things you used to wipe your rear end, that's just the people we are in bed with now. This country's were smart, they would start pulling their manufacturing out of China and put them back in their respective countries so that way they can tell China to pound sand. The current administration though, will never do that because they're in bed with China as is our current commander in chief's son

@3chords490

Жыл бұрын

It’s the way of the world unfortunately. Money over people. Until people rebel.

How DOES he do it? Week after week, TFC can be relied upon for pristine video, sharp sound and masterful stories! Thank you TFC! You set the Platinum Standard for the rest.

@theflightchannel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate that. :)

@somerand0mpers0n

Жыл бұрын

of course my brain went "team fortress classic"

@asi411

Жыл бұрын

@@theflightchannel brudder this deserves netflix

@RatPfink66

Жыл бұрын

all i would ask is a bit more care with captioning. concepts understandable to the aviation community, but not the lay viewer, are occasionally left unexplained (eg: the open vs dump position on speed brakes [East Coast Jets 81] ). then again there are small errors in syntax or word choice (at least in earlier vids) hinting that TFC is not a native English speaker. however, these things do not detract much from the informative and absorbing aspects of the vids. most all information relays vividly and succinctly. i find less need to replay written captions than spoken narration. and there are knowledgeable commenters available to explain and elucidate.

@piercehawke8021

Жыл бұрын

@@RatPfink66 TFC lets the captions do the 'talking', as in less is more. The only time that any speech is used, is letting the fight recorders do their what they're used for.

That VCR fragment was chilling and heartbreaking. I wish them peace, and if possible, comfort to those who loved them. Thank you for another riveting installment.

I always admire your perfect work. Thanks once again for your contribution to air history.

@collydub1987

Жыл бұрын

Let's go Koln 🐐

@metalgearsolidsnake6978

11 ай бұрын

spiderman into the spiderverse

This channel captures the very essence of airports, planes and travel. The visual and sounds are so authentic its easy to imagine yourself on the plane.

@itzzariie

Жыл бұрын

That’s what’s eerie 😢

Wow as a +30 year flt ops employee,,,, finding this YT channel is exhilarating to watch these 3D animated safety reports...... well done,,, thank you ,,, earned my sub

“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.” RIP

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

Critics will argue it's still safer. And regardless whether it is or not the fear remains justified.

@RennieAsh

Жыл бұрын

@@graciegjj the chance of risk occurring is very low. The consequences from a risk event occurring are extreme

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

@@RennieAsh I think I like you

@dx1450

Жыл бұрын

We have a perfect record in aviation... we've never left one up there.

@Criddy420

Жыл бұрын

@@dx1450 International Space Station enters the room

Seven professionals gone in seconds due to human error. Very sad. I like your videos due to your respect for the victims and your well done research. The music is a plus it always touches my soul. May all 7 crew members Rest in Peace. Condolences to their families.

@YanDaOne_QC

Жыл бұрын

A "professional" wouldn't put lives at risk by flying a plane when he's clearly not in a sufficient shape to do it. Human error plus gross negligence caused their own death with part of the responsibility to the airline

@metalgearsolidsnake6978

11 ай бұрын

spiderman into the spiderverse

@MrCrabbit69

7 ай бұрын

have some respect@@YanDaOne_QC

@YanDaOne_QC

7 ай бұрын

@@MrCrabbit69 Stop taking things for granted, including my respect.

@MrCrabbit69

7 ай бұрын

@@YanDaOne_QC wow so edgy!

All that experience and a perfectly good aircraft, yet they still crashed. Incredibly careless with or without fatigue.

I remember this being big news where I live as the flight originated at BDL, the main international airport. The MK Boeing 747 came in daily, loading up pharmaceutical supplies and Honda lawn tractors before heading up to Halifax to pick up the seafood. After the crash, a replacement 747 still in Korean Airlines markings was used. Eventually the airline folded and shippers chartered AN-124’s to carry the loads on that route.

@jocelynn9267

Жыл бұрын

This could explain the data not clearing if possibly it was less than 2 hours from previous location 😮 which means, it’s possible it could happen again

MK Airlines, was an airline with a bad reputation when it came to safety. Some of their fleet has been standing here at EBOS OSTEND airport for some years until they were scrapped.

@nikkiriegler4493

Жыл бұрын

Never even heard of them.

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

I would not care about company policy if I was taking a fully loaded and fueled up jumbo jet I’d cram them throttles to full until a positive climb rate then I’d worry about saving a couple of bucks in fuel

@gagsdoublej4254

Жыл бұрын

Excuse me Sir/Madam Are you saved? If you died tonight are you going to heaven? Jesus loves you

@angelawilliams4239

Жыл бұрын

@@gagsdoublej4254 , 1030pm Friday night here in Australia. If I die,I’m dead. Not going anywhere, there is no heaven or hell.

@gagsdoublej4254

Жыл бұрын

@@angelawilliams4239 The fool says in his heart, there is no God Trust Lord Jesus, and your house will be saved Heaven is real and hell is real Watch Sid Roth’s Did you know about earth when your mum’s womb? You are a person born to be loved Repent to heaven Jesus loves everyone even Jesus loves your enemies

Appreciate your hardwork in these vids. Love them

Thanks, another excellent video simulation and explanation. The captain had 23,000 flying hours, over 2.5 years in the air, wow. Very sad end to their lives.

@iwontreplybacklol7481

8 ай бұрын

High time pilots like that actually dont have as much experience landing and taking off and are more dangerous. Sitting in the cockpit on your derriere for hours on end monitoring the auto pilot is not very valuable experience. The regional guy who does short hops is going have many times more experience in taking off and landing. Si

The main mistake was not the miscalculation of the weight. The main mistake was that when they noticed that they couldn't get the plane airborne and hit the ground with the tail, the should have abandoned the take off. The tail damage should have been checked by technicians, and after this they should figure out what had gone wrong and they couldn't take off.

@aliyuabba4575

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. Either abandon the take off or go full manual takeoff thrust

@scarbo2229

Жыл бұрын

At that point, it was already too late to abort. Speed was more than 144 knots when the tail hit, past V1, the point of no return.

@aliyuabba4575

Жыл бұрын

@@scarbo2229 I still think it's better to abort and overshoot the runway, as all the braking system are still functional.

@scarbo2229

Жыл бұрын

@@aliyuabba4575 Are you a pilot? I doubt it because you’re saying you would instantly decide to override your training, knowing this will definitely cause you to crash, without knowing what is causing the problem.

@californiadreaming9216

Жыл бұрын

​@@scarbo2229 yep. Here we go. More junior pilot know-it-all wisdom. From someone with 30 hours in a Cessna 150.

Fatigue can badly affect any job performance, but with something like this, I think MK holds a lot of the blame. Pilot error. Poor software. So sad seven people lost their lives. Thank you for another great presentation. I learn from you and enjoy the experience.

i guess this is what happens if the V-numbers are skewed early - fatigued or not - you keep expecting the plane to lift off any second now - - the boeing software was a factor - there are times that computer form fields should be cleared - in order to force a fresh entry - rather than retained to save time reentering it

@sebsaviationyyc

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I guess it’s better to start from scratch with the BLT than not catch the error and have something like this happen. By the way your profile pic looks epic!

I heard that it was eventually discovered that the lawn tractors which were loaded, had much lower weights declared than they actually were to save freight cost. The load master never checked the weight. These tractors were loaded at the back of the plane. One of the relief pilots was a friend of mine.

WOW! Not only visually stunning, but the sound was so good that I switched to headphones to fully geek out on the engine noises. The music at the end was absolutely beautiful, too. I tip my hat to you, TFC. I only wish you were able to list the names of the seven people whose lives were lost.

@geoh7777

Жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK_Airlines_Flight_1602#Aircraft_and_crew

@spiritsoverthehorizon

Жыл бұрын

names are not listed out of respect

So well done; appreciate your skill and effort.

Small errors equal bad outcomes.

@Taladar2003

Жыл бұрын

This wasn't really a small error though. An experienced crew should be able to spot the difference between take-off figures for a plane near the maximum take-off weight and one that is 100 tons (or roughly 33%) lighter.

@StarPartners

Жыл бұрын

I dare say NOT SMALL …. But Huge errors that kill..

I'm both excited and sad that my city is the focus of one of your simply amazing videos. And might I add that you created an excellent replica of our airport.

The audio at the beginning is always awesome!

Yesterday I had this music in my head that I couldn't place. I was humming it, trying to think of what movie it was from or where I had heard it on TV. Then it occurred to me that it was TFC music, LOL

I really like the distance graphic you used …. Really great !!

Αerosucre Airlines would have made it... In this case, when you see that airspeed is not increasing substantially while you are running out of runway, give it 100% not just 92% of the thrust...

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I don’t understand; why not use full power on every takeoff?

@rederstreet

Жыл бұрын

@@joemueller4738 To increase life of the engines.

@fslovin4788

Жыл бұрын

@@joemueller4738 noise limit procedures, engine stress, fuel economy.

@rishavsharma7466

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, that would have caused an engine overheat and complete loss of thrust while gaining altitude. Since, the plane was loaded with cargo, they needed all four engines. But very sadly, it did not even get the chance to begin the trajectory towards cruising altitude.

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

@@rishavsharma7466 I never knew that full power for a couple of minutes would overheat and engine

This video came up on my feed and since I've been on aircraft in and out of the Halifax airport numerous times I thought I'd check it out. I was riveted during the whole video! May they Rest in Peace.

I love this channel, as an aviation enthusiast this videos is really a pleasure to see. Even if they are tragic situations. Greetings from Italy.

Both of South African Airways’ 747 combis met ill fates. ZS-SAR wound up involved in this accident and it’s sister ship, ZS-SAS, crashed 17 years earlier as Springbok 295

@robbiebunge859

Жыл бұрын

😢🇿🇦

@joanbray6753

Жыл бұрын

Sad🇿🇦😢

SO TRAGIC that an arithmetic error & fatigue condemned this crew / flight. When they're scraping tail 2/3 down runway I'm like "ABORT, ABORT" !!! RIP to the 7 Souls lost, in Jesus name !

@jamesharris9816

Жыл бұрын

They were way past V1 speed. No stopping after V1.

@mattd6085

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesharris9816 No stopping, but you could roll off the end MUCH slower and still on the ground

@jamesharris9816

Жыл бұрын

@@mattd6085 The runway is 2600m. He would have rotated at 2000m given 136ts, leaving 600m to stop. He would of rolled over the threshold at 100kts (162mph). Yore not stopping and potentially doing more damage to people on the ground. You never attempt to stop after V1.

@mattd6085

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesharris9816 a crash on the ground is always preferred to a crash from the air.

I am addicted to this channel…I must say your work is phenomenal, I’m gripped from the get go! I feel every emotion possible throughout..a massive thank you and well done doesn’t seem Enough 👏👏👏

heart breaking to see that they died. RIP my pilot brothers. i am a pilot too

What a nicely produced video! Excellent attention to detail!

Oh my God I remember this! I lived in New Brunswick when this was on the news!

I’m originally from Halifax; and vividly remember hearing about this on the radio the following morning while getting ready for school. Fast forward to about a decade ago, I was out exploring on a quad around the Halifax airport and came across the crash site.. it’s still very defined and gave me chills as I stood there looking and imagining what took place there this fateful night.. RIP

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

Was was the land topography there? Hills or flat terrain? Trees? Just wondering what exactly they crashed into, Sad tragic ending

@ooinvsaoo

Жыл бұрын

🫡

@wayupnorth1973

Жыл бұрын

@@joemueller4738 it’s flat, with lots of trees. The site is somewhat swampy with a mix of smaller conifer/ deciduous trees. Very sad indeed

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

@@wayupnorth1973 thanks for letting me know that.Sad loss of life .

@marklittle8805

Жыл бұрын

I just flew in and out of Halifax a month ago to visit my daughter. Never knew about this or the scars in the trees to look for where the plane went down. RIP boys

The tailstrike simulation was epic. Fantastic with the sparks and swirling smoke. Not so fantastic for the crew. You get complacent as a pilot who flies big aircraft on a regular basis and you will be playing Russian Roulette. Checklists are there to keep even a fatigued crew on point and safe. I'm sure these guys were relaxed and joking as members of an elite boys club reveling in their stature...right up to the moment they started soiling their underwear. Terrible loss of life in a completely preventable crash. You follow a checklist no matter how tired you are.

@mattalbrecht7471

Жыл бұрын

"... Soiling their underwear...". I have no words. 😂😂😂

Another fantastic, informative show and I ALWAYS love hearing the birds singing.

This is the first accident I know where the “takeoff overrun” ends in a fatal disaster. The only other runway overruns on takeoff I know of are emirates flight 764, 407 and 231. tbh, when I first saw and watched the first intro of the video I thought it was going to be a survivable takeoff overrun with no fatalities (like the flights above) and the aircraft would then return for an emergency landing. It then hit me when I read through wikipedia and some articles (along with this video) that there were no survivors. R.I.P. Incredibly detailed video!

@JeanClaudeCOCO

Жыл бұрын

What are the Colombia cargo plane disaster when a similar thing happened. Airline was negligent in overloading its plane and the weight was to much. The plane over ran the barriers, hitting the poles and crashed seconds later.

@kensoran0013

Жыл бұрын

@@JeanClaudeCOCO Yeah, Aerosurce flight 157. That and this accident.

really loved the way u present us...thanks TFC....

I love your videos, very informative and well produced. I just suggest you write the text in the video using upper and lower case text, it will be much easier to read.

A layman's point of view...you would think that a flight crew with that much 747 experience would have had a good idea of the plane's weight and the necessary settings even without updated software..they knew what they were carrying and how much fuel was onboard; the ground engineer signed for it...and that 92% thrust wasn't going to cut it on an 8,800 foot runway with a 775,000 pound aircraft. They should have been instantly aware of the sluggishness at 92% and gone to 100% before the plane even reached 80 knots or sensing something wrong, just aborted the takeoff completely. The only 747 I've ever flown is the one on Flight Simulator X and I picked up on it instantly. But like the video said, it's likely pilot fatigue played a major role despite the airlines' denial. Great video as always, Flight Channel.

I love your videos but I'm never getting on another aeroplane.

@mattd6085

Жыл бұрын

Think about it this way. There are videos about aeroplane crashes because they are SO unusual. If we did them for car crashes we'd have thousands of videos per day. When a plane goes down, it's world news. If every single retired pilot alive managed an entire career flying without dying a crash, you're pretty safe taking the occasional one.

when the B747-200F didn't rotate (take off) even after crossing the mid point of the runway, the flight crew should have aborted the take off run then & there . . . they still had a second opportunity to abort the take off but they didn't, when the aft lower bulkhead of the B747-200F scrapped on the runway due to the steep angle of attack . . .

@steveb1739

Жыл бұрын

50/70 rule. If you haven't reached 70% of your Vr by 50% runway, abort the takeoff.

This was sad. Something about what had happened to this plane doesn't make much sense to me. There's always the "Blame-Game after disasters happen with airplanes. I'm sorry for these pilots, and the crew members who lost their lives onboard, R.I.P.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

It's tragic when people with vitally important jobs lose interest through boredom and fatigue, merely going through the motions of certifying the critical safety calculations required to avoid catastrophe. The instant that the tail struck the runway was the time to abort the takeoff. Obviously something is very wrong with the aircraft when the tail strikes asphalt. But they decided to force the takeoff, as if one can do that without serious consequences. That scraping alone would require grounding the plane, inspecting, and repairing it. Fine job of graphics. Thank God this wasn't a passenger plane.

@aravsandhu7005

Жыл бұрын

By the time the plane rotates, it had already passed V1. This is the maximum speed in which a plane can safely abort takeoff. After this is reached, you must commit to taking off. The pilots couldn’t have stopped, even if they wanted to.

@riverwildcat1

Жыл бұрын

@@aravsandhu7005 Of course you can’t come to a complete stop right away. But if they’d immediately throttled back after the tail strike and used the thrust reversers, they wouldn’t have destroyed the plane and died in fire. They persisted far too long in their vain attempt. The runway had ample length to lose most of their speed.

@wikkidfury

Жыл бұрын

@@riverwildcat1 A plane CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT! abort a "take-off" after passing V1 speed, even if an engine fails! It's why pilots call it "take-off decision" speed, bcuz if u DO abort the take-off after reaching V1 u will run out of runway and will NOT be able to stop the plane with enough room on the runway....As the previous commenter stated, once V1 is reached, u MUST continue taking off even if it means u crash...😢☠️

@riverwildcat1

Жыл бұрын

@@wikkidfury Runways are of varying lengths around the world, depending on many factors. V1 is a convenient guide-marker, but not absolute, as you think it is. These pilots had a very long runway, and stupidly kept trying to take off, endangering themselves further. They could have aborted successfully.

Being a nurse I see things. Since cell phones came out I told all friends and relatives to leave a message if I don't answer the phone, because I do NOT answer or use the phone while driving a car or any other vehicle. If you think its important, get off at the next off ramp and pull off the road. It's just not worth the pain and suffering or early death.

@Brian-kl1zu

Жыл бұрын

And....How does this relate to the video? Pilots shouldn't use cell phones on takeoff?

Thanks for Doing what i Requested you to do 3 years ago. since then ive layed it off but Good job Here! Edit: the CVR Was really CHILLING!

Its RIDICULOUSLY funny that most people commented on the audio and quality of the video, instead of turning a glance to the matter in hand... and focus on the bigger picture.

I would have rejected the takeoff way early, particularly if you are dragging the tail, my god thats telling in itself

117,000 pounds of seafood lost. 😱

@sicooper4230

Жыл бұрын

Freakin' tragedy and don't forget the tractors!

@Swissairfan7382

Жыл бұрын

@@sicooper4230 and the crew

@LadyVoldemort

Жыл бұрын

Feeling sad for the 7 crews, may they rest in peace... 😔 ...but I'm also wondering if there's a big fire afterwards and if the neighborhood smelled like lobster and fish BBQ for days... 🤔

Love your content!

God, that animation was terrifying.

@TennilleE82

Жыл бұрын

@Steve Robinson You should learn how to troll better. You're terrible at it.

It wasn't a small error that went unnoticed!

You are the best🙏🏾

Worst case of a crash caused by pilots and/or airline negligence I've ever seen.Hard to believe they were allowed to fly in Canada. We use to have higher security standards....

Unless I missed it, it does not say if any of the pilots or flight crew survived the crash. This should always be done.

@christineb2604

Жыл бұрын

@Grant P It does dedicate the memory to the seven lives lost at the very end credits.

This s where you get that tool dependency. Taking for granted the machine will take care of it.

After binge watching these, I may never fly again!

Wonderful, another one with music. Just the opening seconds of it and I am hooked for another fascinating and informative video. Thank you.

They had the correct software and systems in place to calculate max gross and performance but didn’t update it. Unthinkable for a cargo crew.

Thanks!

You know. You'd think the PILOTS would notice about halfway down the runway that there was something wrong and the thrust was not there and abandon the take off, circle back, and then double check their measurements, weights, numbers, etc. About halfway down the runway a plane should have a certain feel and you should be able to sense if it's going to take off without an issue or not because of the halfway point you've still got enough time to stop

@sirmonkey1985

Жыл бұрын

they put their trust in the numbers.. probably figured ok maybe the weights just off by a little bit, a couple more kts and we'll be off the ground.. no? ok maybe a couple more? shit we're already past the point of safely aborting the take off. then you go into full survival mode and common sense/logic goes out the window.

@tellurium96

Жыл бұрын

Fatigue is real, you lose the usual senses to look out for the obvious things

I remember sitting on plane at Houston airport back in 2003 for over 2 hours, with no a/c. Maintenance on brakes was needed and twice, we were delayed. I remember everyone was hot. I imagine, after this TWA incident, this is why we had no a/c while we sat and waited. If that’s the case, it makes sense and very understandable. I wonder if this TWA tragedy changed the rules?

@forty94u

10 ай бұрын

That’s mk airlines

10:45 that has to be the most horrifying scream I've ever heard

@clover5172

Жыл бұрын

It's not the real cvr The real one was never recovered

@asadkamran2154

Жыл бұрын

@@clover5172 i figured

Unfortunately crew fatigue is real in a number of airlines and this will cost people their lives for profit 😭

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

Miss me with that 🙄 capitalism rules and you drool 🤤 now get out of my way I've got bills to pay. 😤

@Missme_1

Жыл бұрын

@@graciegjj wow you think lives are that cheap... May you never have to suffer the loss of loved one, that is if you have anyone that you do love more than money??

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

@@Missme_1 fake concern

Crew must have been exhausted, there were key mistakes that indicate a lack of awareness consistent with a very fatigued crew. A couple of key points on a 747-200. One is any runway 8800 length takeoff will be an Epr setting a lot higher than 1.33, that powersetting is only for when the airplane is empty and the runway long. Two this is an oceanic flight with a load of cargo! The V1 VR and V2 should be pretty fast, not a leisurely 130 knots. An 8800 runway for a loaded 747 going 6 or 7 hours should be a " max effort" takeoff....All the keys are big if not huge, so one can gather crew exhaustion.

Why Pilot didn’t stop the plane once it started to flame and fire ?? Strange!!!

the screams at 10:45 are as harrowing as any I've ever heard

Luv! ur channel.

If you could cover Air Canada flight 621 and Air Canada flight 143 as well as Air Canada flight 189 and Air Canada flight 646 that would be amazing!

@isabellind1292

Жыл бұрын

The last woman executed in Canada was hanged for her part in placing a bomb aboard a CP Air airplane that blew up over the St. Lawrence River region killing all 2 dozen passengers aboard.

As they clearly had thrust to spare, why weren't the thrust levers pushed full forward immediately after rotation when the plane failed to leave the ground? They seemed to do so eventually, but too late to attain take-off speed.

@lastmanstanding9389

Жыл бұрын

Had they pushed the leavers to full thrust before the tail hit, they would have made it because by then they should have realized there was a problem. By the way that aircraft and her sister ship, the Helderberg, were Combi's straight from the factory, no modifications were needed to carry cargo, all that was needed was to remove the passenger seats in the forward cabin.

@jaimhaas5170

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same...wouldn't they sense it was not moving up?

Speaking of Halifax, can you do Swissair 111 if you haven't already? Love your videos

@robodabbler

Жыл бұрын

They did that one already: kzread.info/dash/bejne/epeAkreSgdCaf6Q.html

@UndercoverMZ

Жыл бұрын

He has a video of Swissair111

Thank you TFC. I wonder why captain didn't use TO/ GA to get enough trust to airborne

@K1OIK

Жыл бұрын

TO/GA?

@jayheath1971

Жыл бұрын

@@K1OIK Takeoff/Go Around

I used to always do the math on paper first, before plugging in the information into the computer. I did this 100% of the time.

Remember kids: better safe than sorry, always use TOGA rather than try to save some fuel.

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

It is perfectly safe to reduce e thrust if you have a basic ability to enter numbers into the correct place. If you can't do that you shouldn't be a pilot. Its not just fuel its maintenance costs for the engine. Leaving it at TOGA increases the wear and stress

I wonder why the Boeing Laptop Tool and whatever input takeoff performance data from ANY previous flight crew cannot be immediately overruled by the pilot/copilot instantaneously to provide FULL TAKEOFF POWER of 75,000 pounds of thrust from all four engines!?!?!? Rest in peace to those that died, the gorgeous aircraft that was lost and all that seafood.

@spiritmatter1553

Жыл бұрын

🪦 🦞🦐

Thoughts to the 7 people who died, and to the 6786 lobsters that were supposed to boil alive somewhere in Spain but finally got cooked on barbecue..

You do such an incredible job on all your videos. The next time I get on a flight, I will think of you and hope the plane doesn't crash, LOL

@rossbrown6641

Жыл бұрын

Take the train, mate!

@SlidTossedPissed

Жыл бұрын

YEARS... and YEARS before TFC or Y.T, before I got on a plane.. I always took a good look at what I left behind.. I had to take a few LORAZAPALMS to calm my brain down.. from over-reacting to the 10,000 things that can go wrong if ONE "dumb little thing" doesnt go right. Its just like driving on highways with people on their devices. IF ONE person does something stupid.. and no one pays attention... we are G O N E. You have to analyze the situation... trust in the Pilot, trust the builder of the Plane, have your Ins paid up, kiss your loved ones.. and make sure the cat has plenty of food... Cause if Trust, hope in GOD and modern Engineering wont get you through --- and honestly it doesnt do shit... then Psychology will.

I don’t understand why they didn’t survive 🤔. I would have expected injuries, but emergency personnel must have been fast on the scene, they would all be buckled into harnesses/seatbelts and the plane didn’t fall from a great height. TFC you were my first aviation disaster creator whose videos I watched, having previously had no interest in aviation. I was in hospital recovering from an emergency op and looking for something that showed people even worse off than I felt. You got me hooked!

@benclark1753

Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine with all the fuel they took on there would have been a very severe explosion and flames. A very sad outcome, that's for sure. I hope you have recovered well from your operation.

@Flyingturdbucket

Жыл бұрын

At 155 knots hitting any object like trees etc would have been like putting paper through a shredder and with all that inertia the plane just probably disintegrated😔

@NoewerrATall

Жыл бұрын

There was a quick mention at the end of the CVR not surviving the post-crash fire. If the CVR, which is specifically designed to survive plane crashes, didn't survive then the crew didn't stand a chance. 😔

@benclark1753

Жыл бұрын

@@Flyingturdbucket You could imagine the horrendous noise of the whole thing, it would have been terrifying for the locals who lived near the runway.

@joemueller4738

Жыл бұрын

@@NoewerrATall isn’t the cvr located in the tail section?

those screams... goosebumps

With so many hours on record flying, I would think the crew should have "gut feel" the takeoff run was not going properly. I mean I know the acceleration of my car and motorbike. You get zen with the machine. I feel the pilots should have recognized something wasn't right. Perhaps the fatigue was a factor, but as somebody else posted in another comment, the laptop should clear all data fields before entering new data to calculate the V speeds. Also, when loaded heavy, why don't pilots just use full thrust? I mean I know it was cold air, but still.

@anthonypreece6599

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you just "know". Seems a reasonable question to ask, even if like me, you are not a pilot. When my car boot was loaded with bags of cement say, I knew I had to put my foot down.

@harshil102

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it seems odd to even rely on perfection of the calculations when the runway is short and the pilots know the plane is loaded heavy. Probably saves some fuel/maintenance but it just adds risk for minimal benefit in my opinion. Should be using substantially more thrust than just what's absolutely needed for takeoff unless the runway is exceptionally long. Even if an engine goes down during take off after V1, there's so much more of a margin given if the other engines are already producing near max power vs having to wait for them to spool up after the engine failure.

Im amazed they didn't abort the takeoff after the first tail strike

Human factors are becoming the single key issue, for aircraft safety. Each time, we learn a little something, but never the complete picture.

Let's hope lessons can be learned from this,excellent presentation.

“Advanced throttles to 92%”??….in spite of miscalculation of V speeds…aircraft rotates but doesn’t lift off, runway remaining decreasing rapidly…..why not power to 100%, hold 9 degrees of pitch….??

@Auta5tic

Жыл бұрын

they were fatigued

if i were in a plane crash i would just close my eyes and go to my happy place.

Very unfortunate! It was a super long takeoff, I guess they were completely out of common sense/awareness that some thing was seriously wrong, it’s a very long time for them to have continued with the takeoff that was not going to happen, and I don’t understand why they did not detect the flames and sparks from the back of the plane. A takeoff never takes that long.

@chuckgarrity7230

Жыл бұрын

Without more data, it's hard to tell, but I'm guessing the reduced thrust was the main reason the plane didn't fly.

Love these videos! Amazing work 👏👏

@moiraatkinson

Жыл бұрын

LOL I’ve always called it the “gold standard” that all other aircraft disaster video makers can only aim for, but I guess platinum is possibly the better description 😀.

The emr landing was crazy

Nice intro I like it

Which addons do you use to increase realism? It's beautiful!

Crazy accident never heard of it!

@elizamay6402

Жыл бұрын

Me either, I've lived in Nova Scotia since 1980, and in Dartmouth for 5 years. I well remember Swisssir 111. When was this? I must look it up.

@graciegjj

Жыл бұрын

There are bad things happening every day it's impossible for you to know it all and even some things I just don't want to tell you.... I even limit the good things I tell you. You will work in this life more than you will do anything else, so enjoy!

Whatever happened to pilots actually flying the plane? If the nose wheel comes up and the rest of the airplane doesn't, shouldn't that be a clue? Abort the takeoff right then and there instead of continuing to let the computer fly the plane.

@tanler7953

Жыл бұрын

They got unlucky hitting the berm. The pilot knew it was dicey but he was hoping for a flat stretch of land beyond the runway.

I was happy to read...at the end...there were zero passengers aboard...just the 7 flight crew members...sad that not one of them could stop it from crashing. ...yeah, zero out the numbers from previous flights and make them re-enter all the new numbers correctly!

TheFlightChannel gave an excellent narration with a perfect video of the incident. Nicely done and this time appreciable video style (Screenplay). #TheFilghtChannel = #Perfection

@K1OIK

Жыл бұрын

I heard no narration.

@CherylPix62

Жыл бұрын

@@K1OIK narration in the form of visual words, not audio words.

@K1OIK

Жыл бұрын

@@CherylPix62 Wrong a spoken description of events

There's no room for errors when it comes to airplanes. ☹

Where was the load master during the loading phase? Should he have served as a source of the actual weight and balance of the cargo? They were all to blame, especially with the dismissal of TOGA. Another great job. Thanks Flight Channel.