The JCM800 sounds better to my ears.

Wow was closer than i thought it would be, I think the Friedman has more mid range but both sounded great!

The marshalls a bit brighter which makes me like it more, but im sure with a bit of eq the Friedman can sound pretty much exactly like the marshall

I preferred the Marshall boosted but the Friedman 'unoosted' as you phrased it ;)

Blend those "unoosted" tones for mega awesome lended ones! lol

@AIBCustomFx

4 жыл бұрын

That's exacltly what I thought.

@DargonaidMusic

4 жыл бұрын

x2

The Friedman sounds awesome. But I’m still a JCM 800 kinda guy.

My 50 watt jcm800 with a yellow boss overdrive in front of it is still my favorite sound

@user-qr7ee2cp4y

4 жыл бұрын

That setup was good enough for zack wild too and I’m not going to argue with him.

@soundmattersuk

4 жыл бұрын

There's very little that sounds betteri have to agree

@dannymiller7129

4 жыл бұрын

That is a great tone for sure. I wish there was more clarity though. But it’s rock and roll after all.

I definitely prefer the JCM800. Much fuller sounding to my ears and the Butterslax sounds more nasally.

@pointofviewbandofficial4345

3 жыл бұрын

I just heard one today in person. its def awesome

Love coming to work just to sit back and listen to these comparisons thanks for the content

I am blown away every time I play through my JCM800 2203. The feel, the response, the tone, and the roar when pushed hard, are all just so perfect. And even though it sounds amazing here, and on the many recordings it has been used on, I think it really needs to be played through to be fully appreciated.

@GuitarsAndSynths

2 жыл бұрын

Marshall for the win, accept no substitute the most copied amp in history next to the Plexi.

@benpotter4905

Жыл бұрын

Here is my question on a JCM 800. Vintage or new production????

@davel_ggw

Жыл бұрын

@@benpotter4905 My vote is for the reissue 2203X.

@benpotter4905

Жыл бұрын

@@davel_ggw that's what I think. A buddy of mine keeps saying vintage is better. He's also stuck in his stubborn ways

I like the JCM more, has just a touch more presence en 'edginess', Friedman is a little muffled to my ears (prolly can be tweaked with eq on the friedman though)

@kesamek8537

4 жыл бұрын

I detect the same thing with everything from Friedman vs any good Marshall, maybe Friedman's are more of a 'home practice' amp for teachers/students and KZreadrs, while Marshalls are more for high volume studio work and live performances.

@JorisGriffioen

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds more like the gain on the Friedman is smoother. I doubt you can get the aggression of the JCM out of that.

@warmothgmc

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I like the presence edge on the 800 better. The Friedman was just a little smoother. I prefer the chaos of the Marshall. That’s why I have a JCM 800 from 1983.

I used to have that exact JCM 800. It crushed.

Butterslax = lower-mid, forward JCM800 = high end sizzle The two mixed together *chef's kiss*

I definitely love how clinical and straight forward these videos are. The one issue I have is the really heavy noise gating. It seems to effect the attack of the notes after a rest in play, but that’s the first thing I listen for in an amp. I would love to hear the raw tracks with no gating. Keep up the good videos though!

Another sick video with sick AF Marshall goodness!

Automatic translation begins with “Today on wrist piercing gear”. 😂

I didn't know i wanted this video but it perfectly illustrates a conversation i was having a couple weeks ago when i was trying to explain what it is that i liked about the Friedman amps.

To me I can hear the core tone structure of the JCM800 in the Friedman. Sonically the main differences I heard (boosted and non boosted) were the marshall had more grit in the the gain, bit more treble, and almost a weird scoop in the upper mids area. Not a drastic scoop, just seemed like there was a frequency that was slightly missing. The Friedman sounded like it has a bit less top end, but that mid frequency was present making the Friedman sound more full and wider. The Friedman also sounded more smooth in the gain structure. The low end was very similar in both amps but I couldn't hear that much of a difference, I will need a 2nd or 3rd listen. But in general if I was blind folded or it was a live situation I wouldn't know if you had either one on stage.

U could buy a whole jcm800 rig for the price of the butterslax head alone and prob still have change

@SuperJiggawhat

4 жыл бұрын

Amps need to be cheeper, even if they are made in America. If not, it should atleast come with some authentic butter slacks to put on.

@realtruenorth

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperJiggawhat but, I like free market, cause sometimes the amps really are worth more $, sometimes they aren't. But it works in our favor cause they try hard to make amazing sounding amps.

@mercedes260d4

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuperJiggawhat go buy a Donner Morpher & a Quilter, since I see you, too, are a broke patrician.

@cardbored_

3 жыл бұрын

Good luck playing the 800 on any reasonable volume levels lol

@spudvader

3 жыл бұрын

@@cardbored_ Could always buy an oxbox, a boss tubeamp expander or a THD hotplate. There is plenty options to keep it manageable

Love your channel man.

The older I get, the more I found those classic marshall amps appealing, but friedman's sounds like a good compromise between classic temper and modern texture. I dig both. Good job as always Fluff.

amazing how much the jcm cuts through

Dude, PLEASE GIVE US MORE AMP WARS! That was riveting!

Butterslax is the best sounding amp that’s been produced in many many years.

So many questions. Fluff, what do these amps sound like when oosted? What's your favourite oost pedal? o ou refer oosted r n-oosted ones?

They sound almost the same. No need to pay for a Friedman Marshall rules.

Fired up my 2204 a few weeks ago. All original, never modded. Cranked it up to 7.5 on the Master ( the sweet spot for it) through my early 90’s 1960 Classic 4x12 loaded with the original reissue 25W Greenbacks ( not Chinese, made in England). Put the Pre-Amp up to 7.5 -8 ish just for the hell of it ( I normally keep it on 3- 4 then use an overdrive pedal in front of the amp for a boost) . Played straight through no pedals with my Les Paul Custom and man... the mean, nasty ROAR that came blasting through those Greenbacks was glorious. Made me proud . I own several Marshall’s, a Friedman, a Bogner, ( amazing amps) etc and No amp I have ever owned or played has that raw, killer roar that my JMP has when cranked.

JCM 800 - flawless victory

I absolutely love your tone.

Blend those two together and that’s gonna be one sick tone.

Jcm 2203 with an od in front is so sick

What do the custom mods do to your Slax? I notice the switch and knob. Is it a Global MV and a SAT switch?

The 800 is better..holy shit. well, they are both great. With a boost I dig the 800 more. no boost, butterslax. Thanks for the Vid fluff, soo guud!!

Now this is some quality stuff right here

that 800 is fire af

The Marshall surprised me!!! It really did!!

@PsyloOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Its a fucking Marshall.. aint NO SURPRISE SON!!.. . GET 1.

Fuck I love amp comparisons, people haven’t done these for ages! Go fluff!

Butterslax is like an 800 with a Recto pre-blended in the mix to my ears.

Wery good comparison. How many filter capacitors have the jcm800?

Both sounded great!

@Riffs, Beards & Gear ~ I'm pretty sure these are virtually identical. And I'm a mastering engineer who designed a couple mastering software suites listening on PSI A21M monitors in my studio. If I'm being honest, if I was going to buy one now, I'd rather have the Butterslax, and get a few more channels. There was a slight boost in upper midrange on the JCM 800, and maybe a bit more basic midrange in the Friedman, but a touch of EQ, even in mixing would get your right there. If you never told anyone you used it, even enthusiasts wouldn't know it wasn't a real JCM800 in a mix. Plus all the old Marshalls were hand-built and sound a bit different unit to unit due to age/state of repair, tube bias, tube age, etc. I have a JTM 45 clone made by Jimmy Wyggle from years back, which is just about the best old 45 clone I've ever hear Vs. the real thing. This felt just about as impressive in the realms of 800 clones. I would set up your real one for cleaner tones in a sweet spot, and then use the Friedman for heavier gain sounds so you don't have to dial things in all the time when working on tracks. I don't think you need to hunt down an original to get in that ballpark anymore after this, that's for sure. What speakers are in your cab if you don't mind me asking? It sounded great.

Character is the same, but Marshall have a bit more presence

That JCM just has such a chunkier tone, but that Friedman kicks ass. Both would sound so gnarly on a song

@BJ.Cardoso

4 жыл бұрын

The FM sounds like a fat beef while the jcm sounds like a thin chicken steak

@Dustinchugs

4 жыл бұрын

SUCH a chunkier tone? Hard no.

@calebafile4306

4 жыл бұрын

Y'all are both wrong. The low end on the JCM is thiccer and juicer, but the FM has a nice mid range

@Dustinchugs

4 жыл бұрын

@@calebafile4306 This guy gets it!

@lukeshirtliff7861

Жыл бұрын

i use the amped roots friedman of this and use in all my songs, i feel the bass scoop other amps have tale the job away from the bass guitar

closer than expected! But that marshall sounded so much sludgier in a really pleasing way

Unboosted I preferred the Butterslax, but boosting brought out some fluffy, fuzzy woolly goodness in the JCM 800 that I really, really liked!

Now we're talkin!

I really dig that Marshall more than the Friedman. Both sound great in their own ways. The similarities in both is probably your playing shining through. Can’t go wrong with either amp!

If IR’s were used, Which one was it? Love the sounds and video!

I had never heard of a Friedman Butterslax? Interesting

@guitar19971

4 жыл бұрын

GearGasms it’s the signature amp of Bill Kelliher from mastodon.

@GearGasms

4 жыл бұрын

DeclanG oh cool! Thank you for that! Didn’t even know he had a sig amp

@guitar19971

4 жыл бұрын

GearGasms if you want to see more of it in action watch Sound Like Mastodon By Busting the Bank. The sound they get in that video is incredible.

I really liked the "Unoosted" take ! :)

Boosted - Marshall. Unboosted - Friedman. That Marshall sounds super dope.

Friedman is definitely more “modern” where the Marshall seems to have a bit more “mud”. I guess it depends what you’re looking for.

I like the 'UNOOSTED' tone at 2:24 :)

I don’t think it’s a matter of which is better. I think people (myself included) just want to hear them side by side because most don’t have access to both of these amps. With that said they’re both sick. I kind of wish there was a two channel jcm800. I could tell some differences on their own through my phone speaker but I gotta listen though better speakers when I get home.

Both are awesome. I pick the JCM in this demo because it’s a bit less compressed.

800 all the way!!!

Marshall for life.

This is the perfect video to wake up and watch

the marshall sounds wider and the friedman sounds more mid focused

They are so similar. I think the best one is just the cheapest of the two.

Marshall for the brightness aNd CoZ iTs a cLAsSiC

Just reminds me I choose right when got my jcm800 studio classic...both great just cant beat a jcm800...IMO

@jessehoopes7042

4 жыл бұрын

Me too there both rad, when they came out with the sc I was jacked . for years I just knew that the 800 is an amp I would be totally happy with. I didn't get one because I know that getting the tone out of it meant kranking it to levels that wouldn't work in certain situations and I didn't want to deal with an attenuator and all that jazz. The 20 watt version is perfect I gig with it and everything what I can do with pedals is the best ever, it's straight tone without pedals is awesome I can't say enough good thing's. The only thing I need to figure out is how and when I'm Getting another one. Gotta have 2 there perfect might get a 2204 or the sc jubilee I'm just not apposed to either of them. but probably another sc is what I'll end up with

Amp Wars, great idea.

The Friedman was more of that wall of sound thiccness, but the JCM had some classic, lovely dirt and grind. Both extremely useable and great.

Both are neck to neck. I would say Marshall still holds it's own! The winner-Marshall!

Love this. Thanks for doing this for us poor people, fluff

With how the eq’s now are I liked the marshall more it’s a bit brighter but more treble and fuller in the mids but the Friedman also sounded great just a bit too dark for my liking

Friedman sound better in a mix but the marshal sounds better alone IMO

Wow they sound very close. I like the Jcm boosted and freedman unboosted. But they both kill.

What tuning are you in?

The ¨grain¨ of the Friedman is amazing

Where do I get the dragged under hat???

Good ol' Marshall is a win for me.

Haha I liked the Marshall. 1/3 of the price too

Love those unoosted tones

I'm surprised with how the JCM800 held up against the monster that is the Butterslax. Between these I'd choose the Butterslax because it sounded a bit more "ready" to be mixed. Also, what's that extra knob on the Friedman?

the drop tunings on amp reviews make ALL amps sound more wickedly heavy...so its harder to tell the true colors of the amps with the one finger playing styles. Still fun guy and vids!

Liked the Butterslax more, both boosted and unboosted - there's a certain lower mid range with is more dominant. However, the JCM also sounded absolutely stellar, it's just a bit different.

Both sound amazing but the Friedman has that SEXY mid bump

JCM800 sounds brighter so more my taste. I think a BE100 would have been closer but not the point of this video. Good vid Fluff

No post-production 👍 What boost are you using?

Friedman was nice! also I love when you use raw guitar tone

The Butterslax is basically a Brown Eye with some bass dialed back in, since the BE is Plexi based. I like the Friedman stuff, but I can save like 2800 bucks by buying a Riot or Pinnacle and tbh I think I like them better tonewise as well.

They both sounded sweet. To my ears the Friedman sounds a little darker, whereas the JCM sounds a little bit "thicker". I personally play a JCM, but I could very well live with the Friedman as well :D

That Burny is awesome

2:23 the "unoosted" guitars sound the best lol, but great vid comparison

Still nothing compares to the rawness of a JCM800. It's not perfect but pretty unique.

Virtually identical except for a bit more midrange in the Friedman.

That Friedman Butterslax with a Friedman 412/15 CABINET CHECKERED(2x12" G12H30 / 2x15" 15G15G loaded in it). Will stomp on most any amp and cab.

without the high pass in the boost, you really see how much UMPH the butterslax has. they can sound incredibly similar. cool test

@jefflotley1248

4 жыл бұрын

You’re an idiot

Can I get zakk wylde tone (black label Society tone) on friedman butterslax?

The reason Butterslax sounds better unboosted is because it has diodes in the circuit, so effectively it's "always boosted". To me all Friedman amps lack that insane kerrang and "ocean of harmonics" you get from a real vintage Marshall, which probably isn't quite what you want for this style/genre anyway though. That said, for lead work I've never tried an amp that felt better to play than the Friedman SS100, and they do sound good.

You should do a demo on splawn quick rod and the jcm 800 raw signal

the 800 had more fizz on the top end,where the butterslax was smoother in the highs but had a more forward mid range

Ever thought of Gower or Fortin modding your JCM800 ?

@MrJam1001

4 жыл бұрын

All that would do is turn it into another butterslax but those Gower mods do sound killer.

They sound hella similar surprisingly. Friedman just seems to have a more present midrange.

Jcm 800 the best classic amp ever made, ammm... and the plexi of course

JCM800

All Right! “Unoosted” amps! \m/

Both sounded great, I did have a preference to the 800 for its simplicity and the slight extra bit of biting edge it has, but I am would get neither since I already have a the sickest amp ever, the Peavey VTM 120.

@clintn6677

4 жыл бұрын

Vtm is nice

@jefflotley1248

4 жыл бұрын

Abraham Watson shut the hell up