4:15 A few years ago a WRC-car got bumped out of a turn and landed in a lake (sinking). the codriver actually surfaced holding up his notes before his head came out of the water, like, he HAD to save them.

yes, it's a race against time, right after the first car, the next one starts after about 2 minutes

@rainertuominen4242

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but distancing at start relative to leg length, and type of rally, summer, winter, night. Even, of course, weather. Cars aren't supposed to overtake, but do when mechanical problems appear.🇸🇪🇫🇮

5:40 - Remember that these are regular roads, not a dedicated racetrack. Even the little 'farm roads' that they often use. This is probably through someone's livestock farm, and somebody shut the gate. I used to co-drive in amateur rallies in the US, once had to get out and move a rim/tire out of the road. Someone ahead of us had clipped a tree, and left the wheel behind. Caught up to him 3-wheeling about half a mile later, my driver said "So *that's* where it came from"! Dude pulled over and let us by - I think he finished the stage about a minute behind us.

...and pace notes in best driver-codriver teams can be given even for three turns in advance.... hell of a skill, confidence, concentration and bravery needed to do this team job properly.... they are true "race gods"!!

@Pyllymysli

Жыл бұрын

It's funny how sacred the pace notes are for the driver pair. I've seen a clip where they crash into a lake and as soon as they get ashore the co-driver dives back in to save the notes. He was later drying them with a hair dryer in hotel room. xD

@yeyking5455

7 ай бұрын

@@Pyllymysli es que son la unica guia de la pista que tendrán ese dia algunos rally son tan exigentes que lo que muchos llaman día de práctica en rally es solo 1 vuelta en la pista a a cierta velocidad en el coche sin derecho a frenar el día anterior para trazar todo un tramo de mínimo 20 km son 20,000 mts o 60,000 pies de circuito en ese cuaderno de notas ahora multiplicado por 4 o 6 veces cuando son torneos XD

There is so much stages. Every rally has 15-24 stages, and in season there is 12-14 rallys. And year to year stages change, sometime new stages will be added sometimes there is stage swith on half of stage. Rally happens on public roads that is closed for events. And you need to ride to new stage after you finish, new stage might be 20km away or 50+ km away. So car needs to be passable for public roads, and in non closed public roads you need to follow traffic rules. There is alot driver who get fines by speeding, driving without belt or have car unfit for travel for public roads.

there is a legendary story where one co driver actually lost his notes. The driver though actually knew the course like the back of his hand as he had run it a bunch of times. the navigator shrugged, hung on and enjoyed the ride.

The notes are not just left or right. They also tell how sharp the curve is, and in what speed you can enter the curve, and other details. And the instructions are given three or four turns in advance. Even if the driver is familiar with the road, the weather conditions, amount of traction etc are different every time. Therefore, the instructions for a familiar route still need to be updated each time. Of course, there are some exceptions. A driver who has driven the same leg of the same rally for hundreds of times, may not need any instructions from the navigator during the route.

If they lose the co-driver they will be blind indeed. You can't remember hundreds of kilometers of road. And I am not sure if I am right with this but I think they get 2 passes on the stage during recce and those are abiding by the speed limit. And even when they have done the event on the previous years the stages are often still changed up, a different section here a different section there maybe stage is run in reverse or some completely new ones are added in.

@CVTECK1

Жыл бұрын

yeah i really though co-driver was just there you know. I been trying to watch some stuff live but i can't find anything. I'm in mass so there's some races coming i need to go to the event

@W1interWolf

Жыл бұрын

@CVTECK1 during WRC weekends you can watch daily recaps for free on Red Bull TV idk if they show stuff live on TV in the US though. And the price for WRC+ is quite steep for some1 who isnt a hard core fan. 100 euros a year.

@W1interWolf

Жыл бұрын

Forgot to add that Dirtfish is also a good place to follow rallying. It covers WRC ERC and also ARA last of which is your local championship.

@r3uvsgaming

Жыл бұрын

​@@CVTECK1 there are some really good content for older WRC Seasons. There are full documentaries covering 1997-2001 seasons, as well as 1 hour long highlights for each race from 2001 up to 2007, would recommend them.

Not all rallies have pace notes, some have to be driven blind. The co-driver is just that, relief driver between stages, most importantly the co-driver is the office manager, does all the paperwork, keeps the clocks in-car, liases with the service crew.

Way back in the day, not only were 'pace notes'banned for many rallies - they drove "blind" depending on experience and picking up cues from the roadsides, but they did so on open roads where there was still traffic! There was a famous rally, the Mille Miglia (Thousand Miles) where "pace notes" were said to be used for the first time* - there was one stage where Stirling Moss and Denis Jenkins averaged over 150 mph... On open roads, some being dirt or cobbled and certainly in poor repair and narrow! *Mr Jenkins denied this, and said he'd got the idea from the Pan-America races - you should check that out, too.

basically, without pace notes, they "drive blind"! since the rally stages don't really repeat each season, drivers do not know the roads they'll race on... so, before each stage is raced (one car at the time, the fastest car wins), they are allowed to pas the stage and make notes of the course (write down bends, crests, road hazards,...). usually they pass it once, or twice, with public traffic, since stages are on public roads, or if "open", as many times during the "scheduled window", when the road is available to drivers.... this is called recce, or short for reconnaissance...

I would say that Rally is one of the most affordable motorsports to get into.

@CVTECK1

Жыл бұрын

oh really. The cost of car the team the tech i figured it would be a lot

@Drescher1984

Жыл бұрын

Sure, but start price would be lower. Plus there is classes were you don't need the newest one

@IlkkaPrusi

Жыл бұрын

@@CVTECK1 On the entry-level (national, small rallies) you can get by cheaply. It is the top-level world championship that will cost the most. At national level you can get a production vehicle, add in a roll cage and participate in some of the various classes available. The highest level WRC is that will get most viewers naturally. There's also cost-cap in the lower classes of cars.

The pace notes have except turns, break and such info about angles and speed, last one is important facing jumps. Big jumps are marked with arcs for more safety. Rally is on public roads, supposedly closed-off during competition. Mostly works...🇸🇪🇫🇮

You can think of a rally stage as "public road, that you drove once 3 years ago on opposite direction". If you have raced 10+ years, You can think of it as "a public road that you drove last year in same direction. and once before that 4 years ago in the same direction". Now the car in front of you left the starting area 2 minutes ago, the driver has "co driver" or at least a navigator on the dash. The car behind, Same deal. Catch the car in front, and don't let the car behind catch you. Stage is anything between 7-15 miles of tight twisty roads barely wider than the car. You are expected to keep average speed 55-65mph and top speeds you reach around 100mph. Although you don't get that high speeds too often. Now you can have this additional person in your car. He/She will tell you what kind of road there is up ahead, 1 turn 2 turns or 3 turn before you are there.

If you're in Mass the ARA New England Forest Rally is in a couple of weeks up in Maine/New Hampshire. It will be a bit of a drive but 100% worth it. It's the closest any serious rally will get to you. It's one of the best events in the US and will have some serious cars competing. It's also 100% free and you get to watch the cars from only a few feet away.

Shofer saying 3 turns ahead

The CO driver as the pace notes

I don't remember who it was but I've heard a wrc driver told some interviewers something like "he is not just my co-driver.. he is the captain and I am just his pilot."

I can both read and have some mechanical skill. But i miss the death wish part of being a codriver

Some public roads have gates. And you wouldn’t leave one open to give the following car an advantage. You should watch some Frank Kelly videos… sideways and mental.

Why? When you'll hit every ditch from every slow corners in a stage, you'll know why. You are driving at 200+ kph, driving simply with 'line of sight' simply doesn't cut it, you have to know what is ahead of you in advance. That or join NASCAR and drive in circles, then you'll need no co-drivers. Spotters maybe. 😂😂 😂😂

Tracks open to public so could be anybody 😂

Like a few other already mentioned, there's a lot of stages during a season and there's travel to and from stages on public roads that they need to navigate and so on. There used to be literally "blind" stages in the past where they couldn't do recce at all before driving stage, relying only on maps and roadbook.

@Sussex192

Жыл бұрын

Blind rallies are actually still the most common type here in Australia. (At least at club, and some state level) One gets a roadbook on the morning of the event, and apart from that one has often never seen the stages before. And if you get caught doing recce in the six weeks prior, you can get banned from the event.

@IlkkaPrusi

Жыл бұрын

@@Sussex192 In Finland there's some rallies/categories where you don't have a co-driver in the car at all.. But on WRC level all have recce these days.

@Sussex192

Жыл бұрын

@@IlkkaPrusi Interesting, are they full size rallies, or rally sprints? Here, its only some rally sprints where co-drivers aren't needed. (although I am always going to hop in, no way I'd let my driver go without lol) And I know all WRC has recce, thats why I said at club and some state level :)

@IlkkaPrusi

Жыл бұрын

@@Sussex192 Rally sprints. I think there was something else too (very small local events?) but I can't find that any more.

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I have to say that the rally is really really poorly organized if co-driver needs to open a gate during the special stage.

Have you ever heard about Colin Mcray rally game??

Should check out banger racing

lool Funny comments!

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Nascar is not a race. European race real cars on the street

You should try a rally racing video game bro, you would get a feel for shat they do you have to pay attention to what your co-driver says and still drive as fast as possible. The co-driver does not just Tell you the turns he tells you everything that you encounter while driving as well as speed of each section and turn and hills also how drastic the turn is and your positioning of the car while turning or going up and down hills plus all the bumps and wether or not you can cut a turn or not. They are very thorough with their notes.