Season 1 was a masterpiece. I don’t even remember if I finished season 2 or not.

@nyxdom2129

2 жыл бұрын

season 2 is more epic imo

@danielfonborries8353

2 жыл бұрын

@@nyxdom2129 are u high or what, season 2 was crap

@tanishqsharma8765

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielfonborries8353 nah I was happy with it, enjoyed the quell and tak chemistry and a whole heap of other stuff

@TK-kq7pg

2 жыл бұрын

My words exactly

@IntrepidFox94

2 жыл бұрын

Season 1 was mindblowing. I didn’t make it to the end of season 2.

i think the main difference between the first 2 seasons was keeping consistent with takeshi's personality, i felt kinnaman was a bit more poised and collected the way he spoke and carried himself while S2 takeshi was a bit more impulsive and it didn't really fit with Takeshi's character

@nickixxxx6221

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!!!

@John-X

Жыл бұрын

Yeah also, nothing against Anthony Mackey but he's ugly af, bulging eyes & not a very good actor, actually i just don't like him tbh. Should have picked a more handsome, calm & collected actor like Mike Colter who played Luke Cage.

@jaygonzales8258

Жыл бұрын

Yeh they should of had Kinnaman and Mackie spend a couple of months comparing acting notes on the Kovacs character so it could been properly expressed through the season 2 sleeve

@jaygonzales8258

Жыл бұрын

also the original asian kovacs (which was the first expression of the kovacs sleeves) was also expressed very well through the next white kovacs who we all fell love with they were almost identical in terms of "state of being" kinnaman did his homework

@fireandiron4181

Жыл бұрын

@@jaygonzales8258 Exactly, it really did feel like it was the same person just in a different body. Mackie felt like a completely different person.

Yes "the color of the sleave shouldn't really matter" but that should be the same underlying character. No matter what body is being occupied. However the Kovac from second season is just not the Kovac from the first one. He does not have any skills that Envoy had (being shot in the back in first episode like a naive idiot), and his approach to the world is completely different. That was the core issue.

@MrTotalAhole

2 жыл бұрын

Out of the people I know (7) who loved season one, only one watched all of season two, and they thought it was just OK. None of us had a problem with the actor. The show itself changed. It was nowhere near as 'slick', and The Envoy was a moron. And for perspective, I only made it part way thru episode three, because the writing and directing was that bad. It wasn't just a step back compared to season one, it was like five.

@lonelyguy121

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTotalAhole thank god I didn't go for season 2 though season 1 was constructed in way that it doesn't ask for another season . The open ending kinda works good . Don't know what happens in season 2 and really don't wana know

@hawk2million

2 жыл бұрын

Perfectly put Lukasz. He behaved so differently it was impossible to believe it was still Kovac inside. Such a shame, series 1 was near perfect, some scenes still haunt me to this day.

@DawnMayCry

2 жыл бұрын

It is not about black actor at all. Imagine Jamie Fox playing Takeshi, he would rock. This stupid Falcon actor that no one cares about failed miserably.

@coremaw

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot the smoking scenes

The cancellation didn't make me ask "why?". The second season did. I agree it's really difficult to fit in a completely different main actor, both for the actor and writers as well as the viewers, but that's not what killed season 2 for me. It was just written like super generic mainstream stuff.

@rhouck8407

2 жыл бұрын

I’m on episode 4 (because I didn’t finish it when it first came out) and I couldn’t agree more. It’s almost like some dialogue is written by a bot. Super generic 7th grade stuff. Goes double for the use of military in the show

@FlowithdaGo

2 жыл бұрын

Also, everything is so obvious shot in a studio and has fake acting in season 2.

@MagicNash89

2 жыл бұрын

I watched season 2 twice and then some episode moments many more times just to be clear its as dull and predictable as I thought it was. It absolutely is. Season 1 I watched 3 times probably, such an inspiration

@DGNG-dd3to

2 жыл бұрын

They canceled it because season 2 went WOKE! Stop making eveything WOKE! Season 1 was a masterpiece! Season 2 was WOKE. At the end of Season 2 a Black WOMAN took over Harlens World. A Black man took over Joel Kinnaman. The hero of Season 2, Falconer, was a Black Woman. The new bounty hunter in season 2 was a black lesbian woman. How on earth is that not WOKE?! Are people blind?! 😆🤦🏻‍♂️

@Silentdott

Жыл бұрын

Nah honestly it’s just the writing etc the characters are fine lol. They took a cheap out and made it cheesy.

Let's be real, he may be a much more well known actor, but Mackie had some huge shoes to fill after Kinnamon in s1

@hushdolll5112

Жыл бұрын

Truth

@HawaiianKong

11 ай бұрын

It was hard not to see him as an Avenger. It probably could have worked better with a less Disney-friendly actor.

The biggest mistake of this series is replacing Kinnaman. They could've gotten a higher rating in season 2 if they stick to the main character and made a way to keep the story going.

@dRoscoAZ

Жыл бұрын

I get why they replaced Kinnaman, Ryker's part in the story was over.. but they should've at the very least kept Will Lee as Tak (the whole story). It made no sense for Tak to get resleeved in some rando that had nothing to do with the plot.

@shamswalla1363

Жыл бұрын

It was consistent with the story as sleeves are ultimately replacable in the eyes of the dystopian community. And it added to the dramatic element of the conviction of the envoys that life should be unique and sacred and not some infinite hedonistic means to an end for those who can afford it.

@SPACEGAME-tf7dr

Жыл бұрын

I’m convinced when fans of the show watch “Altered Carbon”. They never really let it sink in that this whole story is really about what really separates AI Consciousness from Human Consciousness. Conscioness it self is the person or soul as Quell Falconer explains. gender or race should not have been the focal point for viewership the main story is really about how far the value of everlasting love is no matter what “sleeve” a person may be in the mind is what can never be duplicated. That’s why Tak and Falconer always could identify the real person.

@A_Goat

Жыл бұрын

How was it a mistake? It's literally a part of the book that this series was created from. The entire dichotomy of Takeshi being different variations of himself with hundreds of years of separation to eventually learn the truths and choose the same side/outcome and reveal that they aren't actually different is the entire point. That despite their huge differences they are still the same man. To do it any different makes absolutely no sense.

@TheKingWhoWins

Жыл бұрын

​@@A_Goat At least someone understands

Season 1 is just a piece of art. Kinnaman was the perfect fit, tall, imposing handsome brute yet so poised and collected. Like a trained soldier. He looked the part. Season 2 was a TOTAL DEVIATION from takashi's original character. Just did not fit. The aesthetics were off and so was the behavior.

Definitely agree that It’s not the The lead is different in.S2, it’s that he made no effort to mirror the personality established by Kinnaman. It went from a very Noir detective personality to literally feeling like I was watching Falcon in an attempt at a Cyberpunk show. Mackie strikes me as a guy who has a persona and that’s what you will get, not really acting. Also S2 seems to lose some of the feel of the universe they created and plays out a lot more like standard action fare with a Sci Fi cover. S1 I could easily watch episodes until I was too tired to keep watching but it took me several days to finally finish ep1 of S2 and each subsequent episode is never finished in one setting. Hell, I’ve had an episode paused for over 20 minutes while I mess around on KZread and write this…lol …I’m revisiting S2 as I never finished it when it first came on.

@fxde1643

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Mackie is just not a good actor. Very little depth to his character personas.

@louisvictor3473

Жыл бұрын

IMO the biggest issue with his hiring isn't the acting, isn't the writing, it was his salary. Let's take for granted that he portrayed the character poorly, and the writing was inferior (both because as I am about to say it doesn't matter, but also cause I just don't wanna arse with those discussions at all). With a show like this, you can easily explain the behavior differences as part of the plot, where the sleeve influences personality, which would go hand in hand with the questions of self and identity of the show. So big deal ifnone season the acting/portrayal wasn't that good, it is literally part of its premise that you will get different actors in the lead which means ups and downs in that front, it is expected and par for the course. And the writing was at the very least serviceable, same as the acting and portrayal, even taking for granted any of this was much inferior it wasn't objectively bad shit. Very different claims, and anyone insisting it isn't just inferior to S1 but utter garbage is full of shit. But there is still the pesky fact Makie's fees at the time per episode was 100k-150k (infucked the math) over Kinamman's. Shows tend to get budget cuts, bumps are less common, and that is money that could go elsewhere, or even just keep investors happier with a is bigger return on investment. With this premise and having gathered a good following with Kinamman in S1 (he ain't cheap either), perfect opportunity to try cheaper actors and reign in the budget on that front. But instead they went big Marvel name now first, probably putting all their eggs in that marketing talking point, and we all know what they say about putting all yer eggs in one basket. Then again, this hype centric mentality itself, and all it implies about their care and focus on developing the actual show, could be said to be the real actual issue.... But c'mon, addressing that direct ly would be way longer, and as we just discovered, I can be a bit lazy.

One of the most appealing aspects of the show to me was that the main character could have multiple portrayals and change in different ways. It had the capacity to become an American Cyberpunk Dr. Who… such a waste to cancel it after one shaky season…

@mikevallone8619

Жыл бұрын

Good point

@TheKingWhoWins

Жыл бұрын

​@Ciu ciu have you seen Mackie in other films?

I just binged both seasons...yes season 2 isn't as great though I wouldn't call it completely horrible. But I'm sad that there's no season 3 I feel they could of corrected their errors.

@queenoflight6033

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. I thoroughly enjoyed both seasons multiple times

@elijah2565

2 жыл бұрын

no fr like they say it cant be joel kinneman because he gave the body back to ryker but they could literally just say "oh there was an extra clone of him that bancroft left behind"

@keanuboyd7493

2 жыл бұрын

@@elijah2565 Or maybe the clone that stayed to die somehow survived.

@DGNG-dd3to

2 жыл бұрын

They canceled it because season 2 went WOKE! Stop making eveything WOKE! Season 1 was a masterpiece! Season 2 was WOKE. At the end of Season 2 a Black WOMAN took over Harlens World. A Black man took over Joel Kinnaman. The hero of Season 2, Falconer, was a Black Woman. The new bounty hunter in season 2 was a black lesbian woman. How on earth is that not WOKE?! Are people blind?! 😆🤦🏻‍♂️

@SemD2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@DGNG-dd3to OOH NOOO, BLACK PEOPLE 😱😱😱

Season 1 was and is perhaps the best show i have ever seen, just perfect.

@teafruitt

Жыл бұрын

Real

@S8n_501

11 ай бұрын

More like best B-tier show.. the best none the less..

@holdencaulfied7492

8 ай бұрын

What? The show butchered the book. It was far from perfect. Try reading the books, if you have the intellect.

@letsgame7460

6 ай бұрын

​@@holdencaulfied7492 doesnt matter, the show on its own was good

@ryanward5770

5 ай бұрын

​@holdencaulfied7492 Genuinely the first season is imo, the best season of a show ever. Breaking bad, got, nothing came close to the first season of altered carbon

Nothing is impossible, and I still have hopes for season 3 and the comeback of Joel Kinnaman.

@mohammadyousaf673

2 жыл бұрын

Who’s that?

@bucknasty8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammadyousaf673 the lead actor from season 1.

@DGNG-dd3to

2 жыл бұрын

Doubt it. It would have to completely go against the books. Joel plays Ryker's sleeve.

@DGNG-dd3to

2 жыл бұрын

They canceled it because season 2 went WOKE! Stop making eveything WOKE! Season 1 was a masterpiece! Season 2 was WOKE. At the end of Season 2 a Black WOMAN took over Harlens World. A Black man took over Joel Kinnaman. The hero of Season 2, Falconer, was a Black Woman. The new bounty hunter in season 2 was a black lesbian woman. How on earth is that not WOKE?! Are people blind?! 😆🤦🏻‍♂️

@diazdcv

2 жыл бұрын

@@DGNG-dd3to season 1 was woke too. Before reading the books wasn’t so obvious and i liked it, then i saw all the added material and characters, the changes that were not to adapt to a shorter story were woke. , they gave much more protagonism to many of the secundary characters for inclusiveness points, it was more religion critical and more pro revolution. Also the depiction of wealthy people was demonized to an extreme. S1 was waay better than S2, but it is woke and dum compared to the book

Season 1 was unbelievable.

I am so tired of shows getting high reviews from critics if the main actor is a minority. There is NO way any critic can give season 2 a higher rating than season 1.

@harveylimpopo3042

Ай бұрын

There is no evidence to show that, just your racist opinion.

@Karthunk

Ай бұрын

@@harveylimpopo3042 Metacritic Altered Carbon 1 user reviews - 973 users 7.2 Altered Carbon 2 user reviews - 144 users 3.7 Rotten tomatoes Altered Carbon season 1 reviews users - 91% Altered Carbon season 2 reviews users - 37% Kindly go find somewhere to sit down and shut up.

@harveylimpopo3042

Ай бұрын

That’s complete bullshit There is no evidence o say the poor meta critic scored are directly linked to the lead actor being black Again That’s just your racist mindset overlying your racism on a score that doesn’t describe an actors race as a result fora poor score The poor score is for several reasons not the colour of the actors skin

I think the brother-sister relationship was more attaching compared to boyfriend-girlfriend one. And kinnman replacement was the obvious reason

If Kinnerman had stayed on it would have worked, Netflix really screwed the Pooch on this and not only this one

Although Kinnamon's mannerisms would always be hard to emulate, Anthony Mackie did a fine job. However, it was hard not to see him as an Avenger. Season 2 probably would have worked better with a more abrasive, lesser known actor.

While I don't think Kovacs casting as a black character was done to appease a 'woke' crowd I do think the only reason Anthony Mackie got the role was because of his fame from the MCU. They could have cast the new Kovacs better.

Man i just want a season 3, it's a fun show and its such a shame bc theres not a lot of cyberpunk series out there. If there is some i wanna find it but ugh

@linked2dio26

2 жыл бұрын

You should try out Deus Ex Human Revolution

@rarafarara

2 жыл бұрын

@@linked2dio26 I love the deus exs but it's a video game 😞, like this is a thing, we have a lot of cyberpunk games but so little series if sucks

@mohammadyousaf673

2 жыл бұрын

Especially the last ep when they find out that peo had with him an human dhf.

@rarafarara

2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammadyousaf673 yeah and the thing is, I have no problem of them changing lead actors every season for the dhf, imo it makes it even more interesting, trying to portray the same man over and over again, i just want season 3 😩😩💔

@mohammadyousaf673

2 жыл бұрын

@@ibodana nope what is it about ?

When joel spoke as takeshi you can feel his hesitations and know he is always absorbing information. As someone already said, mackie is too impulsive as takeshi theowing off his character

It's a pity to know the series is cancelled. Season 1 is such a blast and great production, combining a number of nice science fiction elements like "Ghost-in-the-Shell", AI and Matrix. Though Season 2 isn't as great but there's always hiccups just like Star Trek Discovery, the Season 2 also sucks. Hopefully, one day, could get Altered Carbon Season 3 coming back.

They changed genres between seasons. Season 1 was a pure scifi detective story, and season 2 wasn't really anything specific. It had lots of action, there was something of a history being revealed, but it was kind of vague. I've read the first two novels written by the author, and the first book was pretty close to the first season of the show, but the second novel didn't grab me, it just wasn't as interesting a story as the first one. I think the second season had the same problem. No issue with Mackie taking over, although he probably could have done the character more stoic, instead of having a little smile in nearly every scene. He was playing a fairly serious character with a Japanese cultural background, after all.

@holdencaulfied7492

8 ай бұрын

Although they didn't follow the books, switching genres is exactly what happed in the books. In Book 2 he was a mercenary in a war and book 3 he was a rebel fighter. Book 3 was the best. It sounds like you don't have very good reading comprehension if you are judging the books based on how close they followed the show rather than the other way around. Season 1 gets a D+ for butchering the story and Season 2 gets an F for not following the book at all. Glad the show was cancelled if that's how they adapt it from the novel.

@ametrineambrosia4929

6 ай бұрын

And Hungarian

@BlatentlyFakeName

4 ай бұрын

That always happens when screen adaptions stray too far from the books which made them popular to begin with.

@ShadowRaZeV1

3 ай бұрын

Season 1 of the show was a masterpiece. Everyone loves it, and the main actor was insanely talented and perfect. Season 2 was pretty dog shit, mostly due to the main actor not trying to replicate the same character at all. He is obviously a good actor, but it almost seems like he didn't even watch the first season before playing the role. I liked season 2 because I wanted to see story moments, but it was as if season 1 and 2 were only related by threads and mostly completely separate.@@holdencaulfied7492

2:00 Thank you! People that haven't read the books don't understand that he always switches bodys throughout the years. He's not gonna be Elias Ryker forever, get over it.

@thezec

2 жыл бұрын

This is a good example of something working in a book that doesn’t necessarily work in a film/live action show. In a book, you can project the same personality & mannerisms onto a different looking character. In a live action show it’s going to be a different actor though. I’d be open to this being brought back as an animated feature and have Joel kinnamen voice the different incarnations of Takeshi.

@tommiloudd3846

2 жыл бұрын

And you're right! But I have to admit that every time I read the book I imagine always the same kinnaman face on all the 3 books.

@Hulkofwar333

2 жыл бұрын

@@thezec I wouldn't mind them making an animated series, but I would personally like to see the original Takashi; Will Yun Lee be the voice actor.

I need Season 3 for Altered Carbons pleaseeeeeeeeeee. I just finished binge watching 2 seasons and their Journey are not finished yet. The ending brought soooo much hope that poe actually managed to store a raw human DHF and ended up being downloaded and it just demanding a continuation. We need the 1st season main guy to return though. I dig his persona and his charming us compared to Anthony Mackie.

@hushdolll5112

Жыл бұрын

Same

Season one was a hit with the audience despite the critics score. Season 2 tried to appease the critics and lost the audience. Anthony mickeys performance just didn’t work, he is too recognized which blurred my perception of Kovac. If they had used a less know actor who was good enough maybe I could have been more invested even with the story going off the rails. the side characters were uninteresting and didn’t make me feel invested.

@joshgamingvlogs5203

2 жыл бұрын

Based

Still can't believe that they canceled this show. One of the best shows I ever watched. I really hope they reconsider season 3.

Anthony Mackie is a great actor; but the character of Kovacs was portrayed so completely differently it didn't feel like the same man in a different sleeve. The main woke choice I had a problem with came at the end of Season 1 where the director completely changed the ending from the books (which are fantastic and I highly recommend) to make the female victim into a super woman who saves herself and Kovacs. She didn't do this to make the story better but purely for her own politics - the director admitted she changed it because she didn't like the idea of a man being stronger than a woman or a woman being saved (instead of having the girl-power to save herself, naturally). That admission was enough for me to realise that these Woke Hollywood types are completely happy to butcher the source material if it doesn't match their' politics; regardless of the final quality. And so I had no reason to think it wouldn't continue into subsequent seasons.

I know I’ve finished season 2 and I even enjoyed it, but it was nowhere near the phenomenal god-tier I would have considered the first season. I wouldn’t say though that I didn’t like it as much because of the actor change as I like both actors, it only made sense considering the underlying lore of the world it’s set in regarding DHF and switching Sleeves. That being said, after a full season getting to know Kovacs through Kinnaman, Makey didn’t feel like Kovacs. His behavior just didn’t seem to match. Bigger for me I’d say the plot itself from the first season was just so much more enjoyable. Big part of that was the mystery behind Kovacs that the viewers learn as they watch. Which the second season, you kind of already know everything important about his past. [SPOILER] Maybe if the end of the first season with his sister being responsible for everything was replaced with a ‘middle-man” of sorts getting caught, that could’ve allowed for the sister arc to be drawn out into the second season and could have made that better. I wouldn’t actually prefer this though, because I still think the first season was perfect and I wouldn’t change that.

It’s common for movies and shows to take different routes from the novels they’re adapted from, which they should have done for this one. I get that they wanted to stay accurate to the novels but what they don’t realize is that switching Takeshi between bodies isn’t a problem in books because there’s no consistent visual of him. In a movie adaptation, we are consistently seeing the characters, which is why character consistency is so important. In books you focus more on the words, in cinema you connect to BOTH the words and the visuals. They could have made season 2 such a hit if they kept Joel and made Takeshi DEVELOP into a better person with the same face instead of throwing us into a completely new actor. We started being connected and comfortable with Joel’s Takeshi but then in season 2 it’s like who’s this person that we’ve never seen and don’t care about? He claims to be Takeshi but acts and feels completely different. ANOTHER thing is that Takeshi tried so hard to keep the sleeve of Ryker for the sake of Kristin and that was such a deep emotional thing for Takeshi to do because it showed that he cared. But then they completely throw that small detail away and suddenly switch him into a new sleeve and ur just there like ‘then what even was the point?’ What made Joel so important was that he was Kristin’s lover, which made Takeshi and Kristin connected. When they switched him into a new sleeve, Mackie, the connection is gone because Kristin has nothing to do with Mackie’s sleeve.

@AddieB55

Жыл бұрын

The story is not accurate to the novels really at all lmfao So many details were changed, and a lot of them I agree made season 1 phenomenally better, at the behest of making the rest of the seasons come out well. The Envoy's aren't guerilla fighters they're a top level government super soldier and Quell did not lead them meaning Quell and Kovac don't even know each other, Rei isn't his sister, etc. Hard to continue making a show successful when season 2 becomes less about the book and more about a fictional love story that never even existed in the source material.

@abigailwestcott9348

11 ай бұрын

He had to give the sleeve back to the cop he exonerated as part of his investigation.... There was no way for him to keep it short of cloning

@percy9022

3 ай бұрын

REAL. MY MAN I STRONGLY AGREE W U

First episode was Oscar. First season was good. The second season was..........

Season 2 wasn't as great as the season 1, but it was still really enjoyable!

Season 1 was one a incredible cyberpunk/SF show, did not even got through ep 1 of season 2 and never got back to it.

Didn't even finish the 1st episode in S2. S1 was a masterpiece and end of the story.

First season was amazing. Second season was ok, but the plot advanced too slow so the middle was a struggle. I think they could have moved the plot faster to make it more engaging.

The Takeshi of season 1 was a master envoy. The Takeshi of season 2 was a man who woke up on the wrong side of the bed every episode. The characters did not match.

I have a feeling The Witcher is gonna suffer the same fate, given that Cavill is leaving the show... and Netflix has a knack of canceling potential shows due to their even slightest disappointing viewership!!

I don't think replacing Kinnaman was a guaranteed death for the show. Doctor Who and Bond are just 2 examples of things which have done the same thing forever and proved it works just fine if you do it right. The setup to change actor was done fine, it was a clean break, a completed story and it made complete sense that he would not be in the same body in season 2. I'd also say his ending and send off was more than satisfactory. The problem is Mackie did a terrible job. It doesn't matter if you're in another body, you're still gonna have the same mannerisms, expressions etc but the way Mackie talks, how he carries himself, his tells, his facial expressions are all entirely different. If he had made an effort to study Kinnaman it may have worked out, but ultimately I just think he was a bad choice to pull it off. Not once in season 1 was the transitions between Will Yun Lee and Kinnaman ever jarring. I completely believed they were the same character from start to finish. I hate to say it but Mackie was riding the MCU wave and is black, those are without doubt the reasons he was cast. It's a shame to see a great show killed by wokeness like many others. Hell... Will Yun Lee isn't white. Why couldn't they just write a way to get his original body back into the ending. That would've made for an amazing season two, ticks their diversity boxes and we know he'll do a great job.

It was about the portrayal of the characters. When you see Kinnaman playing Kovacs there MIGHT have been one or two moments where you aren't convinced that he's some broken super soldier who lost everything and doesn't care about the world he found himself in, with the sole exception that it's what Quell would have wanted him to do. Mackie, I actually never saw that with him at all. His portrayal was collected and less dark. And if thr MC comes off as less than what made them great before, there's a problem. Altered carbon is a cyberpunk universe. That means that your MC had better go through some super trauma and come out looking like he did. Mackie never sold me on that, Mackies portrayal cared too much for things that Kovacs wouldn't care for.

I tried binging both seasons but could only binge the first, the second one while good is just unremarkable and not rememberable. I finished it but didn't feel any of the feelings I felt at the end of the first season.

Man, this sucks so much. I watched the first season and loved it. Now I just started season 2 and am finding out the series is canceled. Altered Carbon has such a great cyberpunkish universe and lore, I cant believe they are just throwing it away...

Agree with everyone here , the main problem with S2 ,that guy not Takeshi Kovacs . Both in spirit and personality term . And as far I`ve seen from his movie , Anthony Mackie always be Anthony Mackie . So put it him in this show I think was not quite right decision . Casting non one dimensional kind of actors like Daniel Bruehl -Evan Peters - Michael Ealy or Jamie Foxx would be better addition to this franchise

Season 1 i have watched twice, season 2 i barely finished. Joel Kinaman carried the SH I T out of Season 1.

Mackie sucked was the problem.

My wife and I enjoyed this show. Sorry it's cancelled. Yes, I definitely think it could be brought back. That's totally up to the corporate powers. 🤨

Season one was a masterpiece. Season two was trash, due to the writing, regardless of cast, and all the other excuses mentioned here.

Netflix canceled quite a few shows that fans have enjoyed and wanted more of. We are in an era where it will be rare for a series to get more than 2 or 3 seasons

Well if there was going to be a Season 3, I would like to see Hiroyuki Sanada play as Takeshi Kovacs.

All they have to do is have a T resleave in a clone of himself

@elijah2565

2 жыл бұрын

LITERALLY OR ORRRRR hear me out. Bancroft left behind multiple sleeves of Ryker and when he gives rykers body back he can just jump into one of those

Joel Kinnaman nailed the character perfectly. He potrayed a strong cold man that lost everything but a broken soul remained. I love the show but it's better to end it rather than mess it up badly.

The fact that narrator of that video has no idea on how to pronounce Kovacs name tells me he's never read or watched the series.

@ShadowRaZeV1

3 ай бұрын

He mispronounced basically 10% of the words he said. Fucking insanely poor quality video.

I loved Altered Carbon. I would love to see another season someday. Season 1 was better but both were watching.

Ah yes, I love having someone who's mispronouncing both actors' and characters' names needlessly recount the plot to me before blaming the audience for not liking the second season. Replacing Kinnaman with an actor equally fitting and charismatic would've worked. It's possible to think that Mackie wasn't the best casting choice without making it about race.

I have watched season 1 multiple times. Season 2 once. Joel was awesome. Miss this show dearly.

Can say. They also ran out of material. It was based on a trilogy and book, and with season 2 skipping book 2 going straight to season 3 but still taking elements of book 2 it left little source material for a new season

I’m so disappointed they cancelled the show. I feel season 2 had just as many twists & turns & of course it makes sense that Harlan already had inhabitants. Some say S2 Takeshi was irrational of course he will be if his soul mate just came back to life but still wants to die that’s heartbreaking … and the 1st season set it up pretty well. I think a part of it whether people want to hear this or not … is that season 2 had majority black cast … people are just bruised they aren’t seeing their white Takeshi. Honestly that S1 Tak is a good actor but his profile is not that interesting. Quell maintained her character through & through. Poe developed tremendously … I like that little wrap up they had with Rei ..

@ShadowRaZeV1

3 ай бұрын

I didn't even notice the skin colour of the actors. It means nothing to me. We're watching sci-fi where people can be any race they want. Who cares? The failure is that Joel was a fucking god-tier level version of Takeshi, and Mackie, while an amazing actor, did not play the Takeshi that we saw in season 1. It was almost as if they were two completely separate characters. I would say that resleeving was a problem that works a lot better in books than it does in tv, but plenty of actors in season 1 played their characters amazingly while also being in a completely different sleeve. Mackie did not play the same Takeshi that we all fell in love with in season 1, and that is the only real problem. I liked season 2 for the story moments, and I did enjoy it, but it was almost like I had to restart my love of the protagonist completely again. In season 2, the actor playing the birth sleeve of Takeshi that is not yet an Envoy seems far more like Takeshi than Mackie does. In season 1, you could clearly see that they were the same character, merely separated by change in different ways throughout time. In season 2, they were not even close to the same person. I loved both Will and Joel playing Takeshi, but Mackie fell completely short. His character was cool to follow, but it just wasn't Kovacs at all.

Never finished season 2. It just seemed so damn cheap compared to season 1. Lots of close ups in vague backgrounds and parks in Canada. It went from huge blockbuster to straight to DVD look.

If people read the books before watching the show, I'd say it would've been met with less negativity.

@naysgaming

Жыл бұрын

right!

The drop between season 1 and 2 was far worse than westworld

I think the second season would have been better received if Takeshi Kovach was riding in his birth sleeve the whole time. Personally I loved both seasons not a huge Anthony Mackie fan though..

Why does this guy mispronounce so many different names?

Woulda been great if continued right….the whole show lends itself perfectly to a video game adaptation too…definitely missed opportunities. 😢. But still a Great show…one of my all time favorites!!!!!

Well, its hard to fit in the kinnaman-shoes, who did takeshi perfectly. the season 2 takeshi felt quite "half-assed" and was finally saved just in because of the actor for Tak's former-body. and honestly I wasnt able to warm up with the season 2 guy since I watched a lot of marvel-universe-stuff. And I hate it, when main-characters get drastical changes in the way of: "Hey, lets take the actor of the sidekick of Captian America for season 2, even though everyone was happy with Joel!" It makes sense, that Kovacs couldnt keep the body of Elias Ryker. But he would have had the money to make himself a clone of him or at least use his old former body by also cloning it. We know from season 1 that this was possible. But the bitter truth is, neither did the season 2 guy feel like the former one, nor was it a good idea to take a so well known face, which became popular just recently. its simlpy akward to and has abolutely nothing to do with the color of skin or whatever. the audience just doesnt like such big changes and the acting was unfortunaly a real letdown. sorry.

@CedricBassman

Жыл бұрын

S2 Takeshi was just not Takeshi at all. S1 was a Masterpiece because no matter the Sleeve, Takeshi's Character was consistent. You could see the Actors all did their Homework with Kinnaman really bringing it home with his performance. S2 Takeshi was so wildly different from S1, it's like he was a completly different person.

And we can't even buy the 1st two seasons on Blu-ray. I agree about Netflix becoming too woke!

I LOVED season 1 but couldn't enjoy season 2. The problem was the writing, directing, and fight choreography shifted into something very different and lacking the same quality and flavor of season 2. That's because the people in charge changed, and with them the goals of the story changed. Each showrunner had a different vision of how they wanted to deviate from the book. Too many people out there talking too much about the "actors" messing it up. Well, first let's be clear. It's as if the actor gets to decide to let himself get shot in the back like an armature, as if the actors get to pick whether they do extra twirls and flips in mid air before shooting something, as if the actor gets to pick when they are portrayed as super good at combat and when they are a friggin boob, as if the actor gets to decide to treat their AI like crap. That is all decided by writers and directors. Obviously. And then some people insist on talking about the color of actors as the problem, as if there aren't actors of every color with every accent, or as if the story doesn't lend itself to a variety of ethnic groups. It's totally fine if you didnt like any specific actor's work, but it's not their color that was the issue, it was the person themselves. Do I think they could have varied the cast more across the color spectrum? Sure, the balance in the first season was much better IMO as they had more of a mix across the board. BUT I have a similar complaint about most shows and it's never been the reason I end up enjoying or not enjoying a show. And if that one thing, color of actors, makes so big of a difference for you that it can make or break a show, I'd say you should ask yourself if you're either too racist or too woke to accept the reality that a show is made up of a lot of different things and actor color doesn't make or break it. Anyway I'm sad to see how it played out. I suspect I will keep re-watching season one once a year, and never bother with season 2 again. Peace everyone, stay blessed.

I like Anthony Mackie, but yeah, when it came to the character it's really, really hard to top Joel and Will.

Anthony Mackie was the reason. For ruining Season 2

It's really a fuck up , how it's typical for these so cold movie series sponsors keep on cancelling tremendously good series -how about ceasing with the business if all they do is stopping at the climatic point of individuals getting hooked

@OTG_24K

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@DGNG-dd3to

2 жыл бұрын

They canceled it because season 2 went WOKE! Stop making eveything WOKE! Season 1 was a masterpiece! Season 2 was WOKE. At the end of Season 2 a Black WOMAN took over Harlens World. A Black man took over Joel Kinnaman. The hero of Season 2, Falconer, was a Black Woman. The new bounty hunter in season 2 was a black lesbian woman. How on earth is that not WOKE?! Are people blind?! 😆🤦🏻‍♂️

Neftlix :does shitty job Also Netflix :surprised that people aren't as excited Also also neftlix: see we told you people don't like it, let's axe it. They could have laid on this gold mine for years, people would have come back 5 years later for a slice of this magnificent pie. I would have anyways. Few issues : 1) neftlixs business model aka numbers first 2) they blew the entire story of the book on s01 and didn't know where to go from there that's why s02 story doesn't go anywhere plus they rushed it out the door to bank on the buzz 3) they missed an opportunity to give a leading role to a lesser known actor 3b) they teased a clone of his original sleeve for nothing 3c) fucking with consistency 4) reviving unnecessary characters in convaluted ways 5) the budget thing, they used sets from s01 again and again in non interesting ways, made the visuals repetitive and boring 6)mackey is either not that good of an actor or they didn't give him enough to work with messing with character consistency AGAIN, but just by watching season one he should have gotten the gist, he maybe tried to make Covacs his own, I dunno, 4/10 mackey performance. All in all season two left a bitter taste in my soul... whatever I still vaguely remember from it anyway. I can't remember any specifics but I know I need a shower just from thinking abou it. I hope they get their shit together or sell the IP to someone who does it some justice. The possibilities were endless and yet these absolute thickheads managed to mess up sci-fi!

The biggest mistake was making the second season, as the first one was such perfection. It was easily one if not the most immersive depiction of scifi/cyberpunk in my mind at least. Just finished re-watching the first season and it was even more beautiful than I originally thought.

Poe was the main reason I needed a season 3

Mackey did not have Kinnimans edge. It was decent, but they’re just not the same Kovacs

They shouldn't replaced Joel kinnaman....his character was just perfect for the role... season 2.. .. they new actor couldn't recreate the same atmosphere... results lack of credibility...results people loose interest...I was waiting for kinnaman's return on season 3... but never happens

I liked both season 1 and season 2 and would watch a season 3 if they made one.

Should've kept Joel kinnaman.

2nd season Tak's personality is completely different. He just didn't have the charisma.

Season 1: 9.5/10, Season 2: a mediorce 5/10, that's why it was cancelled. A big part of its failure is that Netflop went WOKE with season 2 and killed it completely.

@Karu_o_o

2 жыл бұрын

For me its season 1 9.5/10 And 2 7/10

How many different ways can one person possibly pronounce Joel Kinnaman or Takeshi Kovach

"One of the most popular science fiction shows in the history of Netflix." Me: "never heard of it, are you sure about that?"

I just found this series, May 2022. I binged season one and happy to see a season two. So came here to see if a season three was in the making. Now I'm wondering if I'll still want a season three after watching two.

@kave4638

2 жыл бұрын

Likewise 👍🏻

@mattrobson3603

Жыл бұрын

If you read science fiction, try reading the books. They're grim science fiction fun, with solid action, decent characterization, hard-boiled dialogue and an optimistically nihilistic worldview. They're also different enough from the show that you're in for plenty of surprises.

Takeshi lost his allover personality in season 2, no disrespect to Anthony but Joel looked the part and was a far better choice. I missed Joel and the original cast.

Sufferings dur to prolonged lifespan is one of the main point of the show ... Joel felt like he suffered for 2 centuries ... .. Mackie felt like he suffered due to local gang war grudge...

The maker of this video obviously didn't watch season 1, or at least not while awake. He fails to correctly pronounce Both Envoy and Praetorian/Protectorate (they are different things) or even the main actor's last name, and he cannot even accurately summarize the plot. Tak did not suffer from memory loss. He did not fight his sister on a crashing Protectorate ship. I stopped watching after the two minute mark, which is I guess what the narrator of this video did to the first season of Altered Carbon.

Loved it all. Thanks for the good stories

I think the mistep was not involving heavy the first season main cast. They could have a new Kovac and have Kinnerman back as the boyfriend cop working with kovacs to get his body back and his girl since he did the same for him. But nope they went of the rail for him to get his new body. I feel like certain show runners at netflix just dont know how to push a good show after the creators originate everything

@isaiahedmonson

2 жыл бұрын

I agree

@mattrobson3603

Жыл бұрын

The show actually hews closer to the books than your vision. Even though they're mostly a mashup of the third book with a bit of the second, along with stuff never written but sort of extrapolated from the whole trilogy.

Rei fatuation with her brother is not a normal one. It's borderline incest but very much a obsession of sorts

Having just finished season 1, it's downright criminal the show was cancelled. Kinnaman was amazing, and first season as a whole was one of the best sci-fi ever. Utterly unique Cyberpunk show that is awesome from start to finish is a rarity, and cancellation is beyond stupid. Granted, maybe season 2 is meh, but I've yet to see that. But how many downright bad shows continued for years on end, it really makes Altered Carbon a very sad case.

Season one was possibly one of my all time favorite shows I watched it so many times I've lost track it was just so Immersive. I really wanted to like season 2 and I gave it the benefit of the doubt but couldn't finish i tried if I did finish it don't remember i couldn't even tell you what happened in the first episode its just that forgettable. Not surprised it got canceled and they had everything they needed to make ine of the best si-fi series ever made

Anthony Mackie just was not a believable Takeshi Kovacs. They could have given him a clone of his original Sleeve instead, in the first season Joel Kinnaman did a great of portraying the same man (from the backflashes) in a different body. This might have been believable the other way round, too.

season 1 and 2 both just insane , masterpiece, my favourite series

season 2 was kind of disappointing but not because it was that bad it was because season 1 was that good. The story of season 1 left little unanswered and most of the characters have satisfying arcs which left season 2 a little bled out of interesting characters which it unfortunately didnt manage to establish on its own. Poe kinda stole the show in season 2 and as much as i love Poe its not a good sign when you care more about the sidekick ai then the protagonist.

Some stars burn hotter than others and die early.

Its BS, there is so much crap on Netflix still but they cancel this great show, yes S2 was not as good but it was still ok, S1 was gold.

I absolutely LOVED season 1 of Altered Carbon, it is still one of the best series I've watched to this day. Joel Kinnaman was the perfect actor for that role.

Wow season 2 may not have been better than Season 1 i dont think ut was so bad it needed to be cancelled....and for people acting like Mackie being black didnt have anything to do with ratings is ridiculous

Best show Netflix has made in my opinion, canceling this show was a massive mistake. I think if they would have kept going this would have had a cult following

I tuned out when it became African carbon.

this was my favorite TV show ever made and i'm angry that we don't get another. Season 1 was beyond fantastic season 2 ehh not so much but something is better than nothing

This was one of my favorite shows. Netflix had a masterpiece in their hands, season 1 is chefs kiss but I can’t say the same for season 2. One of their biggest mistakes was the recasting of Kinnaman for season 2, nothing against Mackie but we grew closer to Joel and he did an outstanding job as Kovacs and it just felt weird seeing someone else and I know the show it’s basically about changing sleeves but I just couldn’t see anyone else who wasn’t Kinnaman or Yun Lee as Takeshi. Season 2 was more centered in Quell’s and Kovacs’ relationship but Anthony has zero chemistry with Quell’s actress so season 2 feels so empty and bad overall. Even tho Kinnaman and Quell’s actress didn’t have many scenes together they had good chemistry, I just think they should’ve chosen a different actor for season 2. Kinnaman did an excellent job bringing Kovacs to life but Anthony just wasn’t that good. the public just couldn’t get used to Kovacs’ new sleeve. And the writing for season 2 was terrible as well.

The only time I think turning a main character a different race or color is when there is an original that they aren’t keeping original, but for this I could care less the show is literally taking place in a world where anyone can be literally anyone via the technology they use.

@DMT768

Жыл бұрын

No one is complaining about having a black actor you moron takeshi was literally Chinese and there was plenty of black people in season 1, it’s the acting And the writing 🤡

Mackie is probably a better actor, but I just couldn't get into it without Joel Kinnamen. He was perfect in the role