Things like this are going to be dug up by future archaeologists when they wonder why our civilization collapsed.

Interesting article. Lots of doors are opened here, not the least of which is the one that leads to the ever broadening definition of "violence".

@TheeLandstander

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I wonder how Dibbell feels all these years later, now that the internet and online culture with its attendant "harassment" have become so much more pervasive in our lives. I wonder if he might back off a bit from his ultimate conclusions or if they'd be further reinforced. I found it fascinating reading about the earliest of days of these issues and how people conceived of them. I'm curious (and if you'd rather not say that's fine) which group you find yourself most agreeing with in that great debate. I find myself orbiting around in the space between the technolibbers and the anarchists.

@fragmentrecord2785

5 жыл бұрын

Tough to distill in the space of a comment, but I empathize with those who consider themselves to be victims of internet based abuse, of whatever stripe. I don't believe that any crackdown on speech, or the gradual co-opting of the terms we use to describe IRL abuse/violence is necessarily the best course of action, or will even result in the desired effect as they are implemented. The internet will always retain the "wild west" quality it had in the early days, as there will always be some retention of anonymity. I suppose I side with a sort of digital minarchy, where only the most extreme or illegal content is handled by those in an admin authority position, with users ultimately responsible for censoring their experiences of any content below that level, to include harassment by other users.

@TheeLandstander

5 жыл бұрын

I hope you're right on the anonymity issue. It's something that's always in the back of my head. I have been seeing calls for its elimination for a long time now and I always initially blow it off thinking there's no way you can ever do that. But then I don't really understand the tech underlying all of this, who controls it, and what's on the horizon, not to mention the sort of crowdsourced doxing I've seen take place, and then I wake up in a cold sweat. I'm glad that this incident took place in 1993 and that I don't know the name and face of Mr. Bungle.

This reminds me of the old drama that sites like Worlds.com and other early chat-games had. Its a strange thing to look back on.

damn i wish you would upload again. i love your voice. bonus points for the profile picture

I want to thank you for spreading this via reading it. It is one of the best videos I have seen on youtube. This is an issue we should seriously consider especially as we move slowly deeper and deeper into the sinewy cabled tunnels of irreversibly interconnected computers upon reality.

i know it’s been 2 years since you last uploaded but I really miss your videos!

this is a very lovley story you read some nice books, ty 4 that the best part of the story was that noting happend

I'm almost 100% sure the band Mr. Bungle Got their name from this story

@TheeLandstander

5 жыл бұрын

Other way around. The band had already existed for ~7 years by the time these events took place. I won't say that the villain was inspired by them, but he took the name.

was the mush or whatever you mention Medievia? it was crazy. the admin eventually went totally insane and tried to start a cult with his mods and spent more and more time developing very strange additions to the game, like vast unknowable underwater mechanics.

@TheeLandstander

2 жыл бұрын

That wasn't it, but thank you very much for this information. I have to know more now.

@krell1080

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheeLandstander yeah his name was Vryce i think. he was a respected mud developer for years but eventually started to convert his mods to his cult via countless email chains and strange patch notes where he talked about Medievia being more real than reality, and how with his vision it was going to be bigger than any other game and function like second life. he wanted every mod on board with him but many split and leaked the emails and as he began to spam the general chat, the players started dwindling as well. the stuff he added in the game during this point is too bizarre to even explain. the ocean system he added was thousands and thousands of algorithmically generated grid structures where you were retrieving pearl souls from aliens or something, i don't even remember.

@TheeLandstander

2 жыл бұрын

@@krell1080 incredible. I would have followed him to the gates of those thousands and thousands of algorimically generated underwater grid structures

Cyberpunk: Stories of Hardware, Software, Wetware, Revolution, and Evolution... by Victoria Blake, William Gibson, et al.

Such an interesting and diverse space we occupy here on the internet. So many describe it as a "safe space" which it can be, but many times it becomes just another outlet for our base desires to grow and mutate. My wife was sent into a spiral of depression lately that I had no idea where it had originated. She had been writing in a dbz rp site and the drama and crazed nature of people so obsessed with their characters had caused her real life stress and depression when she couldn't meet deadlines. The littlest things really do effect your real life.

@TheeLandstander

5 жыл бұрын

If you can believe the coincidence, I used to do DBZ rp as a lad (with crazy FFVII crossovers sometimes). I hadn't really thought about those days for a long time until I read this. I had some great times but eventually it started to devolve into, as you say, drama and obsession. Certain people started to take things way too seriously and it stopped being fun fast. I hated to stop because I had thought those people were my friends but it was just too much. I really hope your wife is ok and that she's been able to get out of that unhealthy situation. I can't imagine what it must have been like to see that happening to her and not know why.

@beepot2764

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheeLandstander what a small world! She is doing well. Thankfully she decided to just talk to me about what was going on. I don't even have a Facebook, so when it comes to socializing on the internet my experience is limited.

Where is George Geoffrey Rod Jane and Freddy?

What

So...you got PTSD from trolling? I'm laughing so hard, i'm crying myself.

@changaescobar2032

Жыл бұрын

Bruh

They're just words on a computer, you can just walk away from it

Learned this like a week or 2 ago. People overreacted to this. If you are offended by something like this happening, get off the internet!