Why would you even consider sandbagging the petrol? The ev is heavier because its an ev. Thats just part of the pie. Thats also why it has 140kg less payload.

@stavroshadjiyiannis6283

4 ай бұрын

It's because EV technology is inherently inferior, hence the need for state subsidies, mandates, penalizing ICE, and the outrageous test here where ballast was added to the superior ICE car.

@B0r0

4 ай бұрын

The majority of SUV's on the road are way heavier than the average EV.

@siraff4461

4 ай бұрын

@@B0r0 Absolute rubbish. Apart from most reasonably sized ev's being north of two tonnes you can't seriously compare something like a Renault Zoe to an X5 and expect people to cross shop them. Then what about the ev SUV's? Or do you think people are going to buy a tiny ev instead of a massive ice SUV? At every single level of vehicle the ev is heavier - sometimes a bit heavier, sometimes a lot heavier and the ones which aren't a lot heavier are usually very limited on range. On top of all that there is the question of ability. Towing capacity, payload, range, cost to buy, cost to insure and all the rest are way worse on an ev so you can't even really compare them like for like - in reality its the ev that needs to be the even bigger car to compete. For example a Zoe (I'm going from 2019 when I had one) is basically an electric Clio but has far less range, far lower payload, no towing ability and costs as close as makes no difference twice as much in base trims. Even the Megane electric can't match the Clio on usability which makes your point backwards at best.

@WSKRBSCT

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! I said the same thing as he was saying that.

@isaac827

4 ай бұрын

@@B0r0 That is stupid and only works if you compare an SUV to a smaller car, an electric SUV is heavier than the equivalent ICE vehicle. Australians wont change the way they drive, just as many people will still drive SUV sized cars electric or ICE.

If only the depreciation was as slow as the i7 charging time

@vasil7410

4 ай бұрын

All 7 series used prices drop like a stone, regardless of drivetrain.

@cnvdh3514

4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@kareembaba7498

4 ай бұрын

BMW uses cheap plastics in the engine bay, and cheap electronics, forget about the depreciation, don't even buy one.

@leisuresuitlaz1710

4 ай бұрын

@kareembaba7498 that's in addition to their over priced servicing. My brother had a new 3 series that had an oil leak after 2 years and BMW couldn't fix the problem. So he did the gold old spray degreaser under the engine and sold the car to a lucky buyer 😆

@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars

4 ай бұрын

It's only 'slow' because it's a 120kWh battery. That's enough battery to power a dozen houses your street.

So as a summary: EV Model: BMW i7 M70 EV Vehicle Price: $344,900 EV Energy Cost: $131.92 EV Wait Time: 2hr 8min ICE Model: BMW 740i ICE Vehicle Price: $272,900 ICE Energy Cost: $117.88 ICE Wait Time: 0hr 6min Total Trip Distance: 873km In summary: - EV costs ~70k more to buy - ~12% more to run - ~2000% longer to refill When compared to the equivalent ICE vehicle.

@Neojhun

4 ай бұрын

Sure 12% more to run if you only use Level 3 DC Chargers. But AC charging in Aus is way cheaper than Petrol. Easily 40% less than Fuel for the same mileage.

@toddalcock6879

4 ай бұрын

That $70,000 purchase difference will take a long time to cover against fuel and service cost differential… say it’s $5,000 cheaper a year for the EV for fuel and maintenance … you only need to keep it 14 years to break even against the gas burner, likelihood you’ll keep a car 14 years about zero

@TheKkpop1

4 ай бұрын

​@@toddalcock6879 Wealthy drivers don't complain running costs as they care for prestige and comfy. So I think it's more practical in comparing average EV (Tesla or BYD) with affordable ICE (Toyota, Honda) price between 30 to 50k.

@mikelewi8916

4 ай бұрын

The charging time was that long because the journalist chose to rely solely on Evie chargers when he knew the Optus network was down. He could have created a free Tesla charging account in 2 minutes and used any of the available Tesla Superchargers. Also, he chose the least efficient EV available for this comparison. My Tesla can do Sydney to Melbourne for $60.

@surajgurung4797

4 ай бұрын

Conclusion is stop buying Ev waste of money and time

Fantastic video guys, thanks for making my trip so😮 awesome (including coming last in the karts!) 😂 Interesting results, for the record, the older G11 730d would have covered both directions on a single tank! See you legends again soon hopefully ❤️👊🏽

@CyAn-S

4 ай бұрын

Funny though how you both tested the least efficient version of the i7 for this 😂

@siraff4461

4 ай бұрын

Throw a 730d in there next time. It would be interesting to hear all the ev people's excuses...

@JoeAchilles1

4 ай бұрын

​@@CyAn-S😢

@mhg424

4 ай бұрын

I like your test. I'd like to see the comparison total cost of ownership / 15k per year: ICE v. EV. Most commonly owned models in each bracket, then do a road trip with those numbers included.

@kristiaan4136

4 ай бұрын

my 330d has 9l/100km(26mpg) how is that averaging 6?😮

I disagree with adding weight to Joe's car. Also with comparing super long range this model vs super efficient that model cars. This video showed me exactly what I wanted to see. Identical cars driven the same way, on the same road in the same conditions. Electric vs Petrol.

@Stevegrande1

4 ай бұрын

Agree.

@shinclinton

4 ай бұрын

Agree

@tomdesmet735

4 ай бұрын

It shows that an EV at an increaased weight is much more efficient than petrol. 66kw vs 20kw. But then there is the cost per kw for quick chargers though :(.

@U_N_B_O_X_I_N_G

4 ай бұрын

No weight was added to Joe's car but then again we honestly can't say it's identical same cars when there is 600kg difference. Even with such a huge weight difference it did a good job.

@Stevegrande1

4 ай бұрын

@@tomdesmet735there’s also the huge price difference when buying it in the first place. You’d never make up the difference. People raving about how they can recharge from home for nothing through solar, um are they forgetting how much the system cost them to set up in the first place and if you don’t have a battery and charging at night when you get home from work you aren’t charging for free

Adding weight to the ICE car is ridiculous as it's going to artificially harm the fuel efficiency.

@johnkechagais7096

4 ай бұрын

The BMW is nt deigned from the ground up as an EV that's why its 600 odd Killos heavier the Model S is only a little heavier at 2250 kg and its the same sized car

@markc6714

4 ай бұрын

@@johnkechagais7096 warning warning.... Fanboy alert....

@johnkechagais7096

4 ай бұрын

@@markc6714 attack the person rather than respond to the point

@markc6714

4 ай бұрын

@@johnkechagais7096 it wasn't an attack rather an observation. An attack would be much different

@jeffgendron1959

4 ай бұрын

That was crazy to see they considered adding weight. Low common sense.

So the i7 is 600 kg heavier, more expensive and takes 20x longer to charge. The future is here guys.

@craigdavid6668

4 ай бұрын

😂👌

@hobo1704

4 ай бұрын

Yep, the world is obviously full of delusional morons to believe EV's are the future.

@sorinelpustiu5674

4 ай бұрын

it also costs zero in maintenance and about 9x less to fuel if you charge at home. So in 200,000km ( which the i7 has warranty for and the combustion one has 100,000km warranty.) you would spend over 120,000$ in fuel alone and another 50,000$ in maintenance 😂 Yeah,keep your ice.

@samartz

4 ай бұрын

Love the sarcastic comment haha

@craigdavid6668

4 ай бұрын

@@sorinelpustiu5674 Only ice here is in the crack pipe you’re smoking mate.

Under 7l for the big 7 series is outstanding

@peterb666

4 ай бұрын

I agree. I would be battling to get under 7 in my 2.5L petrol car that weighs 600kg less than the BM. My whole of life average is 8L per 100km and that's with about 95% rural use.

@tobybrowne7906

4 ай бұрын

That was a big takeaway from the video for me too but he didn’t go through the engine specs unfortunately, I assumed it would have something like a 5L twin turbo V8 but I have no idea in this latest generation.

@cromulentparty

4 ай бұрын

3.0 straight six turbo ​@@tobybrowne7906

@CyAn-S

4 ай бұрын

Meanwhile he used the least efficient version of the i7. The m70 is a thirsty beast.

@a9503128

4 ай бұрын

Not replete the test in Europe at 140kph, it get more efficient on its top gear

6 minutes stop time vs 2 hours and 8 minutes...the 'future' is SLOOOOW

@RAM_845

4 ай бұрын

And totalitarian, hence why the PUSH for EVs, control! Easier for governments and its agencies to remote control your car. It's all done on purpose to make sure people don't buy a car and not travel long.

@techwhizard

4 ай бұрын

Do you drive 900km in one go sitting on top of a bucket or toilet seat and eat nothing for entire duration? I thought so... you charge when you eat and take a break..

@mrmojorisingful

4 ай бұрын

Unlike your hairline, it will improve with time

@naaniratify8657

4 ай бұрын

Things may look different If you perform the same test during holidays. I noticed people had to wait long hours to recharge at these charging stations.

@Syvergy

4 ай бұрын

Where did you get 2 hours from? It was 1hr at the first stop (to charge a battery almost 2x the size of a Tesla) and he didn't need to do a second stop at all, he just did it while he got a coffee.

Glad you called out the average speed traps Paul as also here in South Australia, they have them on a lot of highways and I definitely think they do more harm than good, encouraging bad driving and inattentiveness.

Brilliant to see Joe on your videos!! There’s something satisfying about seeing a KZreadr you watch pop up in a video from another KZreadr across the world 🗺️

Would be interested to see a similar video that involves city driving and charging at home. Something far more people actually do than this cross country drive.

@80y3r9

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, with solar you'll be able to afford the depreciation

@twig3288

3 ай бұрын

Do the test again in five years time when the cars have some miles on the clock

I’m going to disguise my phone as a 2 way radio soo I can hold it whilst driving

Your videos are super interesting and well done again Paul! Thank you

@CarExpertAus

4 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

It should be added here too that the electric version is more than $35,000 more than the petrol version. If you are paying the cheap electricity of 15c it will take 28 years to make up the difference, but even with solar it will take 20 years to make up the difference, as long as you don't include the price that the solar system cost you.

Great video guys!! Well done 👍🏽 😊

It would have been a lot quicker to only charge to about 80% and "top up" a couple of times. You should never fully charge to 100% in an EV on a road trip, as the charge rate above 80% is VERY slow. At least charge enough to get you to the next charger. There are a lot of fast DC chargers between Sydney and Melbourne, definitely no need to fully charge each time.

@philippayne2443

4 ай бұрын

Agree. I have an EV and charging to 100% when you are on the road just wastes time unless the next charger will be seriously testing the range. From my experience, it is better to stop more frequently for shorter periods (I need to stretch my legs at least every 2 hours).

@leisuresuitlaz1710

4 ай бұрын

Yep, best to fully charge when you get to your final destination for free like an Air BnB house like i did lol or at home if you have a LFP EV battery. Charging slows after 80%, it's like comparing a parking lot when it's 80% full it takes longer to find a parking spot like electrons do, and slower again closer to 100%

@streddaz

4 ай бұрын

Yes, that’s correct, plus you can charge from home to begin with and that is substantially cheaper. They never mentioned that fuel is also going to be more expensive as time goes on.

@leisuresuitlaz1710

4 ай бұрын

​@streddaz especially with all these wars happening in the middle east and Ukraine and stupid pirates hijacking cargo ships that maybe transporting fuel. It will have a flow on affect with fuel prices going up.

@streddaz

4 ай бұрын

@@leisuresuitlaz1710 the other thing that isn’t often talked about is sovereign energy supply. Australia makes all its own electricity but imports almost all petroleum products, and they come from the OPEC countries. Australia only has 3 weeks of fuel reserves if for some reason supply was cut off.

It always amazes me that people doing these comparisons say that normal people would stop every 2 hours for a break before continuing. Everyone I know would probably stop every 4 hours or so depending on fuel stations. If your mate had of kept going after purchasing a sandwich and drink and had them in the car like most people, he would have arrived 3 to 3.5 hrs before you! Stopping when you did, didn't show the real affect of having to stop and charge the car

@aroundtheworldindays6770

4 ай бұрын

yep, by the looks they stayed together waiting for the charge, no way are 99 percent of people are going to hang around and wait. They will just want to get there. Stupid comparison test if you ask me.

@cairnshotrod

4 ай бұрын

thats the idea of a comparison test ,drive side by side ,same stops ,same speed jeez@@aroundtheworldindays6770

@robertkattner1997

4 ай бұрын

I drive across the country 8 hours at a time. Sometimes 10 hours. EV would be done.

@ozcurly1

4 ай бұрын

You "friends" are dumb if they drive like you said.

@silverghini2629

4 ай бұрын

As a guy in his fifties I can happily say that 2.5 to 3 hours is as far as I want to go before stopping for a call of nature!

Those prices per kWh is too damn high! That's almost 2x more than national average that people pay at home in AUS. WTF Australia!

Awesome to see Joe! One of my favourite KZreadrs, keep up the good work CarExpert!

@JoeAchilles1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍🏽

It would be interesting to run a test where you have ICE, Hybrid and EV (preferably same car but that's hard to come by as you've said here), and do a city dweller's week or fortnight where you do the same commute for a period around the city simulating a workers commute. Both of these tests have been long-form highway driving so a different style of test to compare results would be great.

@longdongjohn6588

4 ай бұрын

Kona?

@ablet85

4 ай бұрын

Hybrid wouldn’t offer much in this setting. Long drives aren’t their use case. Engine would just kick in and you’re pushing a heavier version of the ICE version.

@Kashchey1

4 ай бұрын

@@ablet85 Have you ever driven a hybrid? During long drives it still saves fuel, just not as much as around the town. Like an EV when you go downhill hybrid turns of the ICE and recharges batteries. When you drive through small towns - it turns of the ICE.

@Scav3nger53

4 ай бұрын

@@ablet85 I'm not talking about a long drive test though

@dayoadeosun1520

4 ай бұрын

​@Kashchey1 I love your reply to ablet85. Only people who have never driven hybrid or are EVangelists thar think hybrids are not efficient on the motorway. I know Toyota prius phev is a fuel sipper on highways and in the city because I own one.

In my opinion, I think car manufacturers should focus more on making hybrid cars. This idea of jumping from the internal combustion engine straight to EVs is quite a problem. These things are still expensive, and the charging speed is not there yet. 😑 Range exiety is a real issue no matter how you look at it. You need to be mindful of how you put your foot on the acceleration pedal, especially if you're doing a long trip. All this will be solved by PHEVs, best of both worlds 🌎

@Jake_94

4 ай бұрын

I agree! Or even work on sustainable fuels like Formula 1 and Porsche are doing. Not to mention on hot days your range decreases too. My mate has a Tesla and he said on a hot summer day he will lose 100km of range.

@scott8919

4 ай бұрын

If we want to keep global warming from progressing at the rate it's at now, you need to go to electric ASAP, not when it's convenient.

@SCELO_MYEZA.

4 ай бұрын

​@Jacob-rc5bn 100 km is a lot😑

@snip3d

4 ай бұрын

Hybrid was just too slowly adopted, i was a fan too.. EV satisfies 90% of local/daily driving with huge savings. Petrol and diesel will have their place IMO for our towing and long haulers for years.

@Jake_94

4 ай бұрын

@@SCELO_MYEZA. I know, but that’s what he told me. Not sure what part of the world you’re from but here in Western Australia it’s not uncommon to get consecutive 40+ days

I think charging to 100% is defeating the benefit of an EV. Obviously you're trying to get across that ICE still has a place, yep we get that but a good amount of EV users know that you charge short charge often which is more efficient and saves time. And if you're taking kids on a road trip they would enjoy breaks more often.

@bikersydney5653

4 ай бұрын

Exactly (Paul owns a Tesla and knows this). We did the exact same trip from Melbourne to Sydney in our Tesla Model 3 LR only 2 weeks ago. Only needed 2 charge stops (Albury and Yass) charging to around 80%. Total charge time 1 hour. Tesla Supercharging costs were $64. Tesla M3LR weighs 1800kg vs 2700kg for the BMW I7 they both have similar ranges. I was a long time owner of BMW but their EVs aren't compelling and this video proves their inefficiency along with bloated prices and weight.

Couldn't understand 15km per l for the ice..tut tut. At 65 cperkwhr I usually say an ice at 10km per l costs 190c and the ev cost 2kwhr, say 130c. The hybrid removes that difference. Still the hybrid put 56kg of petrol burned to about 120kg CO2 into the atmosphere which after all is the main issue. I have done 9500km and spent about $100 @ high speed chargers and all the rest as solar. No CO2 and about 1600kwhr at 10c lost solar income.

Didn’t the EVIE charge stations just have a 40% increase. Makes these results outdated

@snip3d

4 ай бұрын

Price adjustments can easily be cost adjusted.

FYI For those who congratulated Car Expert being on 7 news. 7 West Media ( Channel 7 owners) have a financial interest in Car Expert

@aroundtheworldindays6770

4 ай бұрын

Funny that

Every EV owner knows you don't charge over 80% when on a road trip because the last 20% takes about as long as the first 80%. Was this done on purpose for dramatic affect?

Well done guys, enjoyed that 👍

The crazy thing here is the ice vehicle is using 98ron premium, having a car with 91ron standard as the fuel type would save a little bit more. We also have to consider the cost to charge the vehicle to begin with using a home charger, so that $131 charge up could be about 150-160~$ in reality. Although these cars obviously are not basic point to point cars, so a comparison using an even more realistic family car would be great as well. 10/10 content.

@zoltrix7779

4 ай бұрын

If you were a normal family and lived your life around the suburbs the EV is so far ahead its not funny. Occasional road trips are then only around the price as a ICE vehicle. But all the other times you didn't need to visit the fuel station.

@JoseMariArceta

4 ай бұрын

@@zoltrix7779This is true, but unfortunately if you buy an EV equivalent of an ICE vehicle it usually costs way more, and it takes years to recoup the costs. Unless you really only drive in the city, then an EV would make sense. The best choice I feel would be a hybrid non plugin equivalent instead.

@davec110

4 ай бұрын

@@JoseMariArceta you know the BMW 740i is a Hybrid which acts as a range extender right? they conveniently left that one out. not to mention they picked the most expensive charger that does 300kw charging rate but the i7 can only do 190kw. Paul also failed to mention the I7 comes with free 5 yrs charging? If a proper test is done they would of picked the most efficient full petrol (not a hybrid) mid size sedan and put it against the most efficient EV mid size sedan such as the model 3 charging it on the Tesla net work.

@JoseMariArceta

4 ай бұрын

@@davec110 I actually didn't know that the petrol car was a hybrid. If true and no im not googling it this makes this video misleading at best.

@Cyrribrae

3 ай бұрын

​@@davec110Well. kinda. The 740i is a "mild hybrid", where it uses a small electric battery to run things like turning over the car, the start/stop system, and maybe a tiny bit of help at low speeds. It can recover some energy from regen braking, but and it can help get maybe an extra km per liter. Not a huge range extension. And the free charging doesn't matter. It's a test done with similar cars to test out differences as closely as possible. The ancillary bonuses aren't really relevant to that. IMO the bigger complaint is that the i7 is just less efficient than lots of other EVs on the market. But yea, point taken that there are ways that make electric vehicles practical for average families while we're still in an early adoption phase of the technology. It always seems silly to me when people complain about the new technology that isn't as fully developed and mature as the centuries-old ech that came before it haha.

For those viewers who are put off considering getting an EV by the charging time, it is important to know that the last part of a full charge, from about 80% to 100%, is very slow. A Better Route planner recommended a two stop strategy for this drive in this EV, charging from 33%-74% in Albury and 10%-65% in Yass, for a total charging time of 42 mins. The cost can be high for road trips, but if you stay in places with free charging, you can wake up to a full battery. And at home, you can charge from solar for "free" (or the cost of forgoing the pitiful feed in tariff rate).

@andrewpanagis4383

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but clickbait is much better for KZread clicks right? Why not be misleading?😂😂

@mahonnicklin9108

4 ай бұрын

Adding an extra stop and staying overnight somewhere we don't want to be is the fabulous, new, time saving solution 👌

@Blight-fp3vt

4 ай бұрын

Time, cost, needing to plan a trip instead of doing things spontaneously, not to mention the complete failure of the entire network due to reliance on mobile telecommunications networks... This is why hydrogen needs to remain an option of development, it's why right now you are better off buying hybrid or plug in hybrids if you actually are an active traveller. Potentially if your just wanting a car to driving with its range, then electric is still good, but I'm uncertain if it's ever going to be a future that we all move to, more and more I think we need a different solution that doesn't require charging points.

@vandur2322

4 ай бұрын

Or you could just not bother with any if that and stick to an ICE car that doesn't need anymore planning. Seriously, the more complicated things get the higher the chances of something going wrong along the way.

@michaelfink64

4 ай бұрын

@@Blight-fp3vt We are still in the early days of electrification. Battery technology will continue to improve, with better range, faster charging and cheaper price. I'm sure in the early days of ICE vehicles, people would say "My horse is quieter, cheaper, doesn't need petrol" etc etc.

This was a great comparison, thanks.

Paul is just the best at what he does,so knowledgeable and loves what he does.

@einfelder8262

4 ай бұрын

Except what was the rather stupid comment about the petrol car heating it's brakes on the downhill run into Sydney.

@doctorboy5892

4 ай бұрын

Paul is heavily influenced by the money paid to him by the car industry. He should of called this $300,00 I7 out as a piece of junk.

@zoltrix7779

4 ай бұрын

He is a full clown, he wants bigger parking spots in Australia to cater for American trucks, tells you all you need to know.

@einfelder8262

4 ай бұрын

@@zoltrix7779 I don't think your irrational hatred of large American trucks is a sound basis for any conclusion other than you think you're the boss of everyone else's choices. Your petty preferences are irrelevant to this discussion.

@zoltrix7779

4 ай бұрын

@@einfelder8262 Its not irrational, it's logical, why would we create larger parking spot thus increase the price of creating construction so people can "choose" these things more easily? Living in a democracy doesn't mean unlimited freedom to take a shit in everyone's face. The fact is that for 99pc of buyers the American full size truck is vanity item and offers no great purpose, even more so than a regular dual cab.

Hey Paul, what about the price difference between the two vehicles and costs to maintain? Did I read something recently about a rapid increase in the prices for power supply at these fast charges? (Assuming to pay for infrastructure required to move the whole nation to electricity?)

@69firthy

4 ай бұрын

Yes per increase in charging, see what is happening in the UK as it will happen here as well a bit further down the track. Tyre wear due to the extra weight, and higher insurance premiums, and greater depreciation make if far less attractive to me. Wonder how these 2 would go towing my Jayco, I definately know which one there will win easily.

@jeffgendron1959

4 ай бұрын

That is a major issue, we already see electricity costs going up. Eventually you will pay as much for home charging an EV as petrol costs now. Governments everywhere will completely balance out revenue they loose from ICE vehicles going away. The bigger picture is electricity will cost a lot more for everyone not just EV owners.

@Cyrribrae

3 ай бұрын

These are short term problems. Tyres may wear slightly more, but are much easier to maintain and replace than a combustion engine. EVs depreciate because people are buying new ones and the technology in them is improving at such a rapid pace. These are good things, actually. It's only been a few years and the market is already taking huge leaps forward and solving big problems quite quickly. If you're worried.. you can always just lease instead. EVs have legitimate downsides compared to petrol, but seems like we're stretching here. Electricity costs fluctuate, but no it's stupid to think that electricity costs will rise on a straight line forever. Petrol prices jumped up by how many multiples in the 70s? Evened out over time, though, didn't it? There are lots of ways to make electricity, which means costs will come down with investment (especially if EVs are helping to balance grid-scale loads with bidirectional charging). There is only one way to get gas - and we can't make any more of it. And remember that if and as the dominance of petrol cars begins to fade that the infrastructure supporting them will age and become less prevalent - ie: become more expensive.

@The_Judge300

3 ай бұрын

@@69firthy And when you add the highly increased repair costs on EVs compared with ICEs and often longer to much longer waiting time to get your EV repaired, any sane person understands that buying an EV is total lunacy for a person with an average or lower income. And it is not even good for the planet to buy an EV compared with an ICE. The total negative effects on the planet per year for the life span of an EV compared with an Ice is totally insane. So many love to talk about the CO2 when using the car, but they do not want to talk about how much CO2 that is produced during the production of the cars and how much other pollution that is done during the making of the cars and after they have been scrapped, because that do not fit their agendas.

@The_Judge300

3 ай бұрын

@@Cyrribrae Let us have a reality check here. First of all can you be 100% sure that the government will increase the taxes on buying and using EVs to balance their books. Secondly is there a VERY big reason for why no one has increased the electricity production much yet, and that is because the price of electricity at the moment do not make it profitable enough for them to care to invest in it. They will only do it if the electricity prices get high enough for them to get a good profit from investing it. Nothing suggests that it will be any cheaper to produce electricity. Most likely it will become more expensive because the cheapest ways to produce electricity by now is by using fossil fuels and either the government will make it illegal to use fossil fuels to produce electricity or most likely make it more expensive as that is better for their books. Large scale electricity production from non fossil fuel ways is also in reality very expensive, unless it is nuclear and most people are not exactly big fans of that idea. If the electricity prices continue to increase as they most likely will, then that will be an incentive for investors to invest in non fossil fuel electricity production. So, you will get plenty electricity for your EV, but you can be 100% sure that the electricity will be more expensive than it is today. One thing you are 100% correct about, is that it makes total sense to lease an EV instead of buying one. The value of used EVs will only drop faster and faster as the speed of improvements on new EVs increases.

So when is the creator going to address the obvious bias in this test? What bias you ask? Well, the biggest one is that the 'petrol' car is a hybrid. They've also chosen a very inefficient EV, which will take longer to charge. Then the initial charge/fill wasn't included, which would typically done at much cheaper home rates for the EV while the hybrid would pay the rate it always does. I'm guessing they sought out 50kw chargers based on the slow charging time - on a 350kw charger I'd take 18 minutes to do 10-80% and I'd need a total of 45 minutes or less charging for this trip in a Kia EV6. It's amazing what the results look like when you decide ahead of time what you want them to be. Now redo the same test, but include the initial charge/fill and a month's normal use.

Loved this comparison :)

First of all, thank you very much for this great video. It's truly incredible how efficient modern diesel engines are. 6.5 liters per 100 km for such a luxury car is really amazing. And what's more, no particular attention was paid to particularly efficient driving. But the electric Bavarian Motor Works is also doing very well. 21 kW per 100 km is very good consumption for such a heavy car. In addition, everything that contributes to a pleasant journey has been switched on here too. If you now take a clear assessment of today's circumstances, you have to say that an electric car has to cover a lot of kilometers before it comes close to being CO2 neutral. If you compare all the costs, it is currently significantly cheaper to drive a modern diesel. Only when the electricity is produced more sustainably. This makes it significantly cheaper. And the batteries allow even more range, we have reached the right point. But even with all pollutant emissions from production onwards, the electric car would have to drive at least 200,000 km to come close to the emission of the diesel engine. So there is still a lot to do. Thank you very much and greetings from Bavaria.

@greghajdu2569

4 ай бұрын

That diesel is actually a petrol

@M.G.jun.

4 ай бұрын

@@greghajdu2569 Then it's even better!

If I did a road trip in my Tesla Model 3 I would probably charge the battery off my solar panels at 12c/kilowatt hour before I started. I would also expect that the Tesla superchargers would be cheaper. Since I installed a Tesla powerwall in early December I've only used solar power, but the only road trip I've done was just over 300 km which was a round trip so I didn't have to charge. I did calculate that to do 350 km on my KTM 390 Adventure motorcycle at 3.1 litres/100 km cost me $28. If I charged the Model 3 at home it would have been around $7 for the same distance. If I used the most expensive superchargers I've ever seen it would have been about $40.

@topmarques

4 ай бұрын

Keep Justifying! You know on depreciation alone never mind all that expense you've gone to with solar and a power wall you are very badly in the red. Have a look at Carsales adverts for Tesla's and the pricing updates; you'll never be able to sell the thing. Factor that in to your smugness.

@Kashchey1

4 ай бұрын

EV cope

@hobo1704

4 ай бұрын

Just admit it is pathetic champ..

@derser541

4 ай бұрын

Why are you paying 12c/kwh to charge from your own solar panels? 😂😂

@willmcclenaghan109

4 ай бұрын

@derser541 Because if I didn't charge the car I would export the excess power to the grid for 12c a kw/hr.

20:48 - actually some of the energy would have been reused even on Joes car. BMW's efficient dynamics means when you're off throttle it loads the alternator up to add charge to the battery so the a/c and so on would have been mostly powered by that on the last leg which is partly why it was so efficient.

@JoseMariArceta

4 ай бұрын

Does the petrol BMW have an electric ac unit? I mean a unit that runs on the battery and is not attached to the motor?

@siraff4461

4 ай бұрын

@@JoseMariArceta Pretty much everything is electric in them - even the engine oil and water pumps. Its all on demand.

@JoseMariArceta

4 ай бұрын

@@siraff4461 Oh okay cool i guess, maybe given enough speed turning the engines via the wheels it should be enough to spin the alternator enough to power the ac compresor and fans.

@siraff4461

4 ай бұрын

@@JoseMariArceta I'm not sure exactly how much it can recoup but its not insignificant. In my experience ED cars tend to do about 5% better on fuel then non ED ones all else being the same. I say alternator but its really a starter/generator and again its a decent sized unit. Stop/start is noticably smoother on ED cars too. Its interesting stuff and worth taking a few minutes to look into. Not groundbreaking but it makes tehm a bit less wasteful and genuinely helps.

@CarExpert. Interesting that the i7 used exactly 200KWh & the 740 used 56.16lt @ 8.9KWh/lt so 500KWh of energy for the same journey. So the EV was 2.5 times more efficient than the petrol.

@paulsimpson8990

4 ай бұрын

You are spot on. A good expose on how bad BMW Ev’s are and how much green energy costs when delivered at 250+kw. 70c for electricity vs 20c for hydrocarbons. A model 3 would have use 35% less energy for the same journey. It’s a shame that he didn’t actually crunch those numbers but I suspect he like most others don’t bother working that out.

I think if 90%+ of your trips are local and charged with home solar, the one off long trip is offset. Unless you regularly drive 900kms

@vasil7410

4 ай бұрын

You don't even need solar. Public charging is potentially several times more expensive than charging off the grid, depending on which public chargers you use and what your home tariff is.

@CyAn-S

4 ай бұрын

Even then. 900 km is maybe 2 short stops or 1 longer 30-40 minute stop in an ev with 400-500km real world range.

@Nerdificationing

4 ай бұрын

@vasil7410 this is true, I just meant I have solar so it's effectively 6c electricity (i.e. that's the forgone feed in tarrif)

@mgreenesco9955

4 ай бұрын

Don't forget to add on the 30-50k worth of panels, batteries and charging infrastructure you'll need at your home to do that, that's if you own your home and have an off street driveway or garage to charge in!

@johnsteve1352

4 ай бұрын

​@@mgreenesco9955exactly, if I have 30k dollar used for patrol, I can drive to the moon and back and have plenty left.

I have had a Tesla Model Y for almost a year. The No.1 learning I found is that EV are designed for daily urban drives, not ideal for the long distance drive. They are awesome that you don't need to worry about charging them, especially if you have solar panels at home. However, it is quite a different/awful experience when you need to constantly check the battery level. Your comparison is awesome, but it also might have proved the point that we need to utilise our vehicles differently than we used to. Maybe not to use an EV for long-distance driving but fly or rent a diesel car.

@meofnz2320

4 ай бұрын

That’s exactly how I use my EV. Brilliant for 99% of what I do. Hopeless for long distance. So I fly and uber or rent.

@wazza9089

4 ай бұрын

Yeah good point, im hoping new battery tech will save the day though. I believe it will get there, ranges of 1200km would see most people's range anxiety disappear. Faster charging will also help and more chargers as more EV's come onto the roads.

Fuel for me could not handle all that time waiting too charge a EV on a road trip. And I want your raptor Paul 😅

Oh, this is great to see afterJoe’s daily vlogs in Oz and his larks with you! Cool. 🇬🇧🇬🇧👋👋🇦🇺🇦🇺

Good comparison. two important things overlooked. What will be the resale value in 5 years and secondly what is the replacement cost for batteries which could happen in 5 to 10 years. Having said that al BMERS have discusting resale anyway.

Hey Paul, great vid as always! Considering efficiency, would it be more time effective to charge to 80% and then travel to the next closest Charging station more often?

@stevenkelby2169

4 ай бұрын

Yes, if you can make the distance.

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

In Tesla's case, and I would think applicable to some other EVs as well, the navigation guidance space out charging so that you only have to charge up to around 80% (lower in most cases) and you would still have enough charge to make it to the next charging station.

@philippayne2443

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Charging to 80 or 90% is more time efficient.

even if the electric did win, you still had to wait 1.5 hours, fuck that

I drove Melb to Sydney 12 months ago in a 60kwh EV, stopped 4 times and was only charging 63mins total... the idea of owning an EV on these longer trips is to stop more frequently, but for less time... these massive battery EV's just don't make much sense on bid drives

@snip3d

4 ай бұрын

i7 is capable of charging at 200kw from 2% to ~40% so there is a benefit of a larger battery, charge stops could be reduced if used properly (which it wasnt in this video)

@vasil7410

4 ай бұрын

This test was sadly stacked to be biased against EVs. Hence why it made it onto the mainstream news. But let the anti-EV crowd have their day, actual EV owners get it. In a year and a half of EV ownership, I have never had to visit a "fuel" station, and that includes country trips.

@hobo1704

4 ай бұрын

​@@vasil7410 Cope 😂

@kairikkola

4 ай бұрын

That 4 stop is already joke.

@frankreynolds9930

3 ай бұрын

​@@kairikkolaHow is 900 km journey in 4 15min break a joke?

Good video! I am very impressed you made it from Melbourne to Tarcutta (my favourite stop of the Hume) on a single charge. I would have chickened out somewhere near Holbrook for a comfort stop. Was interesting to see how similar the cost was between the two vehicles. What I don't understand is presenting 2 hours of charging including a 1 hour stop going from 2% to 100% as a realistic experience. As you briefly mentioned going from 80% -> 100% can be much much slower than going from 20% -> 80% If you did want to compare the total time of the road trip between EV and ICE you should have stopped more often, for much shorter periods. You could easily complete that same trip with more frequent stops with MUCH shorter charging times - even including the time taken to exit the Hume and get back on. Based on numbers, maybe 15min stop in Glenrowan, 25min stop in Tarcutta, and another 15min stop in Sutton Forest - instead of the 1 hour 7mins at Tarcutta + the charging at the end. Since this video was filmed additional high speed chargers have opened up on the Hume, thinking of the ones at the Glenrowan BPs (both directions).

Great episode. Another thing to consider re: cost of charging. If my destination is home, I would be charging at a much lower price. @35c/kWh, the EV’s fuel would cost about $15 less. I would save even more if I had solar rooftop. So for me fuel cost is on par! Now - I just need to save for a 7 series! Haha

@user-sf5bt8eb4y

4 ай бұрын

or you can just get a petrol 7 series and save 30,000 upfront

@danhotel5961

4 ай бұрын

Same here. Most of my charging is at home and we get an even better rate of 9.45 c/kwh. Currently driving a PHEV but will be moving on to an EV within the next year.

@Cupid_Stunt

4 ай бұрын

And ... how would you take your home charger from Melbourne to Sydney to get those cheap power rates ??

@TaylorJamesBurnett

3 ай бұрын

Installing solar costs money

At this time, the real winner will be the hybrid vehicle. No worries about getting to the next recharge station. No waiting for hours for the full recharge. Plus, superior fuel range than an ICE vehicle. IMHO, it will be at least another decade before an EV starts being the equal of a hybrid vehicle.

@trk1973

4 ай бұрын

hybrids, like EVs lose their efficiency advantage on the open road. Driving a hybrid up the Hume is less efficient than the equivalent ICE vehicle as it has to carry the extra weight of electric motors and a battery. This could be made up in the stop/start city legs at the start and end of the trip, but not by much

Enjoyed the video. Amazing efficiency on the ICE BMW, 56.16L for 873km wow. I'm looking at updating my old 2004 Honda CRV, it's honestly lucky to get 450km on a full 58L tank.

@tomdesmet735

4 ай бұрын

For a large ICE vehicle it is a nice result ... but don't forget that it is much less energy efficient than the EV. You speaking 66kw vs 20kw. Just a matter of getting the prices down on the super chargers I suppose. Home charging and slow chargers are cheaper to run than petrol though.

Congrats you made it on the news mate!!!! Super happy for you!!

you made the 7News with this test thats awesome 😃 keep up awesome vids Paul and co

Great video. I did the same trip over the holidays in a diesel X3 (avg 6.1L/100km) car was fully loaded. I was wondering how much more efficient a petrol or an EV would be. The 740i was impressive! Well done Paul.

@davidhancock91

4 ай бұрын

Just for comparison I have an Audi A6 Biturbo 3l diesel. It weighs a touch over 1800kg. I regularly get 5.6l per 100 at 110kph between GC and Brisbane. That’s 45mpg. To me that is economical motoring, even compared to an EV.

@adammuftar9697

4 ай бұрын

@@davidhancock91Diesel is the way to go for economy with large European cars because most petrol models take RON 95 or 98 premium unleaded adding almost 20c per litre.

Great comparison video.

Plenty of average speed cameras in the UK plus normal ones but, we have a 10% + 2mph tolerance for speeding. So on the motorway, 70mph, you'll be fine going through speed cameras at 77mph.

And the EV costs 80k more to buy!! 💀

@zoltrix7779

4 ай бұрын

At the price of these cars, nothing is even relevant to the average person.

Evie just increased their prices by up to 40% - the cheap electric future is quickly evaporating…

@leisuresuitlaz1710

4 ай бұрын

You do realise you do most of your charging at home using cheaper residential electricity rates just like your other electronic devices right 😆 Those fast chargers are only applicable if you're doing the odd road trip across to other cities, which seldom occur, like a couple of times a year, if not less for most.

The speed limit thing is ridiculous in Victoria. They need to get it past their thick heads that speeding up for an overtake is not necessarily dangerous. But no let’s have more cameras that catch you 5km above the limit.

Cool video. Woildnt have been able to do this a few years ago!

Not sure if it's relevant for the Australian market, but would like to see the BMW 740d take on the exact same trip.

@malsmith2012

4 ай бұрын

It'd absolutely smash it even worse than the mighty B58 did.. To think that awesome engine in that big car with all that potential performance ran at 6L/100 is just incredible.. If you haven't seen it go watch Joe go 1100 miles in his diesel 730D from the UK to France.... Mind blowing efficiency..

@jirokasuga

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Will watch it @@malsmith2012

Great video Paul and Joe. It would be interesting to see the difference if it wasn’t a road trip but a month of running around the burbs as the vast majority of motorists do. I suspect the EV would end up cheaper to run (but still overall more expensive as EV version costs more to buy initially). The ROI probably would never stack up for EV. It is just down to preference at the end of the day.

@djizzah

4 ай бұрын

repairs are hideously expensive for electric and zero resale so ev's are shit

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

My personal experience suggest that you would save heaps in the scenario of "running about the burbs", but that's contingent on you having a charger at home. if you don't, you would still be able to charge at a lower rate than the chargers in the middle of nowhere, but the savings would be just something nice rather than massive one. My own data suggest that I spent less than $900 on electricity for about 18,000km of driving, which includes a number of long trips that require more expensive fast charging. Admittedly that happened before fast charging got expensive and I have been able to enjoy quite a few free charging sessions at the places I visit.

@trevorirwin3957

4 ай бұрын

@@alanngli I calculate circa 3.5 litrs/100km is the equivalent cost to run my Etron S (which is a heavy user of electrons). This Calc is done on a cost basis (ie: the same cost to charge is the same cost as petrol at 3.5 l/100kms. Here in Aus approx $7.00 per 100kms). Not bad really for a low 4 sec to 100kmph SUV…

@einfelder8262

4 ай бұрын

I'd rather drive my unwieldy Patrol around the burbs than the BMW which weighs the same and is also huge and unwieldy for suburban use. It also costs 75% less to buy, and won't burn my house down when it spontaneously combusts.

@trevorirwin3957

4 ай бұрын

@@einfelder8262 just park it on the street, you’ll be right!! :-). So far (fingers crossed) no spontaneous combustion for me, however I hear your point. FYI, I wouldn’t buy the BMW either but that’s down to the fixation BMW has with forcing wireless CarPlay (no wired option at all). It drops out all the time in Perth and is useless.

As someone who does this drive with no stops at all This so so frustrating to watch lol Plus range anxiety would kill me

So you take two cars noone can afford, on a trip noone really does, in a way noone really takes it. Top journalism Paul...

I love this channel. Electric cars make sense in small packages for city use only.

@michaelfink64

4 ай бұрын

Last year, I did a 5,869 km road trip around South Australia (including the Flinders Ranges and Eyre and York Peninsulas) in my Tesla Model 3. The charging cost was $167.70.

@sheepyracing2774

4 ай бұрын

Got to be kidding right . My Subaru liberty doesn’t even go as far as my ev ! Quit living in the dinosaur age

@aussieideasman8498

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelfink64 Must have been going in circles a lot! I did about the same distance from Bris to Adelaide and back via Melb.

@michaelfink64

4 ай бұрын

@@aussieideasman8498 It was a holiday, not a straight run: Melbourne -> Mildura -> Berri -> Clare -> Flinders Ranges -> Whyalla -> Port Lincoln -> Point Turton -> Nuriootpa -> Glenelg -> Mount Lofty -> McLaren Vale -> Kangaroo Island -> Victor Harbor -> Robe -> Penola -> Mount Gambier -> Princetown -> Melbourne.

@forgetfulduck

4 ай бұрын

​@sheepyracing2774, How? My 07 outback does Melbourne to Adelaide in one tank. 59Litres to refill to full out of a 63L tank.

Paul, I couldn’t help but notice that you VERY briefly mentioned your “range anxiety”, something that never came into the equation for Joe! I see this phenomenon being experienced more and more by EV owners, to the point where they own an ICE vehicle reserved specifically for long road trips…using the EV as a “Soccer Mom” car for town driving.

@einfelder8262

4 ай бұрын

Yep, he glossed over that VERY significant part of the trip. He had massive anxiety but like all EV fanbois the negatives are non-existent.

@leisuresuitlaz1710

4 ай бұрын

Nah Joe just has fuel price anxiety each time he fills up during peak holiday season lol😂

Last week I did a 650 km trip in an I7 from Munich to Davos and back, it`s winter here so temps between -7c to 3c and averaged 26.6 kW /100 kms.

Appreciate the comments about extra time to charge to 100%, when to less may have been more efficient, but an additional two hours (maybe less )of your time, has a cost too. Say $30 per hour, after tax (???) as a number, lower vehicle cost, and way better sound from the ice, has the ICE way ahead., in my opinion. Great comparison.

@wafive

4 ай бұрын

I suspect the captain of industry that owns a new 7 series gets more than $30 per hour...

I reckon some the additional charge will be heat loss through the cable. Great video again Paul.

@johnlambert1744

4 ай бұрын

Plus the fact that battery charging will never be 100% efficient. Will always be small losses.

@einfelder8262

4 ай бұрын

The extra would also be battery cooling while charging at high current.

Love these comparisons, it just depends how you calculate the numbers, if i leave with a full charge costing zero. 2 short stops of 15 min would get me all the way to sydney from melb. This way would calculate cheaper and closer. Either way you won't satisfy the EV haters or EV cult. Great video, more content on the i7 would be amazing.

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

I agree, I was going to say how this trip could be much more optimised from a charging cost perspective (and halving the charging cost in the process), but it does depend on whether you have your own charging station at home and whether you need a full battery again at your destination. One could argue that this requires so much more additional thinking, but I would argue that you don't have to, and an ICE vehicle would not even give you that option.

@ablet85

4 ай бұрын

@@alannglito complicated. You’d have to factor the cost of electricity at home. Only a tiny percentage of the population is on battery to charge the vehicle. Solar doesn’t count because you’re charging mostly at night at peak usage charges. So I guess you could work out the average kWh rate for the state and work out the full take of fuel vs full battery @ that rate.

@CyAn-S

4 ай бұрын

Exactly this

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

@@ablet85 When I say optimise I didn't mean charging based on time of use tariff at home, I mean you simply minimise the charge at fast charging stations, which cost more than double of the peak electricity tariff in my case. It's the same as someone filling up their car with cheaper petrol in town, and avoid filling up with high petrol prices on the highway.

I'm curious does the final fuel cost Include the full tank of petrol he started with? Or just what was put in? As to compare the cost of filling the battery at home like moat people would before a long trip.

Hi Paul pls describe the price difference of these cars too. How much extra fortune to buy electric over traditional combustion.

It's the stationary time that gets to me. The last time I did Sydney to Melbourne it was on a single tank of fuel - it was close to empty when I got there but no range anxiety as just so many refuelling options as I approached the city. I did a stop at Goulburn for a donut and soda, plus a couple of other times probably of 10 mins max duration each just toilet and a quick bounce around the car park. All up probably 40 mins stopped. The point is that I could choose when to stop rather than be forced into it by the car. I can't stand cafes in general and hate tea/coffee so just keep a small car fridge with me packed with water/sodas/juices etc so stop time is purely dictated by toilet or tiredness breaks. I'd be much more comfortable with EVs if they did a small commuter option, range 150ks which would cover the vast majority of my driving and because it would have a small battery pack could easily be charged from a normal mains socket. Yes, I know there's a few out there but something like a Kia Picanto EV would be perfect for me for general use but probably too expensive for Kia to make? Good video though.

@adelaidecity76

4 ай бұрын

Exactly and god forbid if there's even a short lineup for a charger - you could be there for hours!

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

Completely respect your viewpoint and my suggestion would not completely alleviate the issues you identified: 1. You don't need a powerful dedicated charger. A mobile one that usually comes with the EV, drawing 10A would be able to charge the car overnight and give you the range you need everyday. At 200Wh/km (close to the figure in the video but remember EVs are far more efficient in town), and charging at 2400W, you would be able to gain 12km of range every hour, and a 10 hour overnight charge would therefore give you 120km a range per day. 2. Paul charged the car to the max for the purpose of the experiment, but in practice, I rarely charge above 80% on long trips because that's when you spend double amount of time to charge and turns the charging session from 30min to close to an hour. As other posts suggest, I would say you need around 2 charges of 20 minutes each and would still make the trip easily. 3. You "sort" of can choose where to stop for petrol/diesel, but that's more because we are used to the number and distribution of petrol stations. Like you wouldn't expect to see a petrol station in the hotel you are staying at but for EV you can plan for that. 4. The "cheapest" EV in Australia now is under $40k driveaway, still more expensive than the Picanto at $22k, but the difference is more manageable, and you do get slightly more car ignoring the drivetrain.

I was quite disappointed on how they said this (especially on 7 News). They could’ve mentioned and used the benefit of the 5 year Chargefox subscription that comes with the i7 (largest charging network in Australia) and would pay $0 like I do when I travel in my iX or e-tron from Sydney to Brisbane and back. Also when they mentioned charging time at fast charger, you don’t always have to charge to 100% at every stop your making… max for i7 would probably 50 mins of charge total for Melbourne to Sydney. I would still choose i7 over 40i. With the 47,000km in 8 months I’ve done.. haven’t payed a cent with Chargefox and saved so much more money then an ice car! I don’t even charge at home.. Same with the Audi and 87,000km I’ve done on it.

@davec110

4 ай бұрын

Paid propaganda really. featured on 7news says a lot. they failed to mention the "ICE" 7 series is a Hybrid. picked the most expensive 300kw charger too when the car can't do 300kw charging.

At The start of this test was The BMW charged at Home or On a fast charger?

It would be really interesting to see an urban test with these cars. Just the daily commute and possibly some weekend kids sporting events. Both punch out 500km's and see what the results are? The reality of the 7 Series Hawthorn/Kew set would be daily commute, with the odd trip to the snow and a Dees game. ;)

Hey just one thing. As both cars started at 100% that means you still needed to purchase petrol for the 7 series whereas the i7 would have charged at home. Charging at home is always cheaper than charging at fast chargers and much cheaper per mile covered than petrol. So that should also be taken into account.

I am just a bit confused about the 100% charging stop. Sure this wasn't about the trip duration, but in a more normal case you would only charge to like 60 to 80% and not spend all that time to go to 100% and do one stop more. In terms of energy used this of course doesn't make a difference. But my real point would be that energy prices and energy used in total. I am not sure about oil in Australia and where it is coming from, but I would guess that this would also go up in cost over time due to oil being a resource with and end date and emissions that most of us would like to not have anymore. So in terms of energy used in kWh the petrol one is at 56.16l * 8.5kwh (per liter) so 477kwh for the trip compared to the 203kwh for the electric car. That is quite the difference in energy used to move that car with a few humans.

As an owner of both EV & ICE- I 100% agree with this review! Love to watch Paul and the Channel except the reversing test😉

Add in the $80,000 price difference for ev plus your $35,000 power wall and solar. That’s the price of 2 tanks of fuel per month for 34 years. When the EV will need a new battery after 10 years and I haven’t included any cost of charging not at home for “Free”

@frankreynolds9930

3 ай бұрын

Well there are cheaper evs which are more efficient. Don't need solar, if you add solar then you need to reduce electricity bill from house too. In 10 years, battery tech will improve even more.

Great test for its intended purpose. In reality these sorts of long distance trips aren’t common place for the vast majority. The savings you make over a year of ownership charging your EV at home would more than make up for a slightly more expensive road trip when venturing out further. Plus as with electricity petrol prices are also on the rise and far less predictable. The additional stoppage time actually makes for a safer journey.

So the EV in this test costs more to buy, costs more to charge up, requires you to wait much longer at a charging station. Even if you drive it mainly in city (which is where the benefits of an EV shine), the price premium over an ICE still doesn't justify it for me. The pros are the quieter ride, zippier acceleration.

@samzhang5682

4 ай бұрын

And they depreciate more than petrol ones

Awesome the collaboration

Charging prices will creep and creep. No such thing as competition in the market. We will end up like the UK paying £0.90/$1.60 a kWh.

That EV wasn't even pushed much. More or less perfect conditions when your entire trip is on cruise control. Just proved us that all this EV agenda is actually no benefits at all and hella much things to worry about.

@GDM22

4 ай бұрын

EVs get better economy driving around the suburbs than the open road, ICE vehicles prefer the open road, the opposite. So perfect conditions for the ICE vehicle for the EV not so much.

@Neojhun

4 ай бұрын

Utter absurd nonsense. They specifically said they did not want to use the BEV efficiently. They just did what ever was comfortable. You didn't has to state blatant falsehood to push your silly agenda.

@GDM22

4 ай бұрын

@@NeojhunNot what I said you can't do a long range highway test for an EV and an ICE vehicle and extrapolate that for all types of driving. EVs do better in stop start traffic, all they did was not put into ECO mode or run the air conditioner at 2 degrees higher. They acknowledge this the original poster, did the extrapoltaion to all types of driving based on a test solely done at highway speeds. Go look at fuel economy stats for ICE vehicles they will publish a city, a highway and a combined reading.

This felt like a test designed to demonstrate the answer they wanted. Let's pick two cars that barely anyone can afford. Let’s pick one of the most inefficient EVs possible and then let's test on a highway road trip (that most people don’t do very often) where ICE is at its most efficient and EVs at their least efficient. Maybe do it next time using Hyundai Kona or Kia Niro that people can afford and are more efficient (both ICE and EV). As a comparison I have had a Tesla Model 3 RWD for nearly a year and done 10,500kms and never had to use a fast charger. It's cost me about $250. Let's see an ICE do that.

@kadmow

4 ай бұрын

- Exactly, a well reasoned civil opinion - and a budget decision... (I think they have done it before and people complained that the cars were not identical, an EV simply isn't identical to an ICE car), you understand - 10500km is a very short yearly mileage (so after - say - 5 years figure out your total transport cost and work out if a taxi might be cheaper??). (Even with totally free charging (sunk solar + battery), my transport needs can't be met by a single EV, and registering and insuring 2 vehicles doesn't "break even" - the maths tells the energy story.)

Is it expensive to charge an EV at a British public charging point? Here in Australia they did a road trip from Sydney to Melbourne, using a BMW EV and its petrol equivalent. Turned out $20 cheaper in petrol than charging at a public charging point. And quicker. A 9 hour trip in the petrol version took 2 hours longer in the EV.

One thing to note about the 740i. It has the legendary BMW B58 inline 6 engine. These are the engines used in the Toyota Supra. If you haven't cottoned on to what that means, it's essentially BMW's most reliable engine ever made.

You should do the same in a Tesla. Should be interesting using the Supercharger network in a pretty efficient vehicle

@andyyuen84

4 ай бұрын

7 series is perfect. Both similar shape car but different platform. Easier to compare Apple to Apple.

@paulsimpson8990

4 ай бұрын

57 minutes of charging according to the Tesla route planner

@paulsimpson8990

4 ай бұрын

@@andyyuen84 except it’s not apples with apples because the bmw i7 uses almost twice the energy of a Tesla while their ice engines are amongst the most efficient in the world. If you want to benchmark technology then pitch the best ev against the best ice

@andyyuen84

4 ай бұрын

@@paulsimpson8990Tesla supercharger always superior and efficient when stop between charging. BMW charging app can’t do what Tesla does.

@andyyuen84

4 ай бұрын

@@paulsimpson8990 Best ice car would be Toyota Prius. Easy 1200km on single tank and cost way less to purchase. Low running cost and cheap insurance.

Now, try this on Norwegian winter temperatures of -10 to -20 Celsius, and that will both cut EV range by 30-40% as well as slow down charging speed a lot, so you'd probably need 3 full one hour charge on the way, plus the one at the destination... The ICE would become exponentially more advantageous under such conditions.

What is the purchase price of each car and which engine did the petrol car have? No stats what the petrol car should average either?

I've done this similar trip when I had a Model S,from Melb-Cairns. Yes it took longer than our previous trip car (Ford Mondeo TDCI) and it required more thoughts and planning. But honestly, the use case for most EV are within urban settings anyways. I'm back in an ICE car simply because I love them. My wife ended up with a PHEV (Kia Sorento) and so far that's the best compromise since she does mainly short trips with weekly long drive.

Where I live in Australia, you would have to drive 140kms to the nearest charging outlet. If you don’t plan to drive west of the Great Divide, then an EV might be OK. Cost is irrelevant.

@icyshrug

4 ай бұрын

Or you could just charge at home

@alanngli

4 ай бұрын

EV isn't for everyone, and in your case while I would say you can charge at home, I understand why you are hesitant to try EV.

@mgreenesco9955

4 ай бұрын

​@@icyshrugso the average family will have at least two cars that in rural areas may need to travel hundreds of km's daily and the grid is poor. My sis and her husband have 6 children 4 of which are licensed and their own car plus the work ute and the family van, they all work so need their cars every day. So they would need to charge 6 vehicles every night, not only would that be an astronomical power bill (the charges are higher for rural areas) the infrastructure from the poles to the house would be many hundreds of thousands of dollars to support that. It's madness.

Most people don't do 900km road trips regularly or at all. Most EV owners drive less than 50km a day and charge at home that costs next to nothing. If i need to get to Sydney from Melbourne i usually jump on a flight that costs $100-$150 and get there in 2-3 hrs. I'm sure if you can afford a BMW i7 you can afford a jetstar ticket.

@craigdavid6668

4 ай бұрын

Doesn’t cost next to nothing when you factor in the atrocious depreciation on an EV though😂

@vasil7410

4 ай бұрын

​@@craigdavid6668We can do without the anti EV nonesense.

@craigdavid6668

4 ай бұрын

@@vasil7410 Insurance, battery replacement, depreciation, extra purchase cost, they are facts, just because you don’t like it doesn’t make me wrong or anti EV.

@vasil7410

4 ай бұрын

@@craigdavid6668 What battery replacement? My EV insurance is cheaper than my old ICE cars, insured for a fraction of the amount. There are brand new, quality EVs now for less than $40,000. And a BYD Seal is a premium car starting at less than $50,000. No other car, ICE or EV, comes close in terms of value. Finally, EVs make up three out of the top ten least depreciating cars in Australia. You may think you are not anti EV but you have obviously only got all your "facts" from anti-EV sources.

@samzhang5682

4 ай бұрын

Jetstar flight WILL get cancelled and you will be arriving on next day.

Not forgetting the cost difference between an EV and equivalent ICE car. In this case the i7 is not only more expensive to drive but also to buy and will depreciate even more than the ice 7. Loss loss situation all the way

@ozcurly1

4 ай бұрын

The cost difference gets eaten away quickly when you start paying for servicing on the ICE compared to an EV. Also at the moment EV are FBT free if you salary package one.

@wewemjinga

4 ай бұрын

@ozcurly1 dude just one example of the many. MG ev is 20k more expensive than its equivalent iCE vehicle. 20k will buy lots of fuel and services.

@frankreynolds9930

3 ай бұрын

​@@wewemjingaWell if you convert 20k to just fuel, you get almost 1000 gallons of fuel, which is enough for 1.5 years for average American.

@wewemjinga

3 ай бұрын

@frankreynolds9930 your maths is not correct or you just use a lot fuel. Down under on average 20k will get you around 9years worth fuel with current pricing on the MG

@frankreynolds9930

3 ай бұрын

@@wewemjinga Sorry. Missed a zero. Still, they keep increasing gas price so it won't be same in few years let alone 10.

Here in NZ EV's are going to be subject to Road User Charges soon, that adds $76 per 1000km. The costs start to add up.

@stevencooper2339

4 ай бұрын

Your premium petrol is also about $3 per litre so adding $60 to the petrol cost.

@annlucas6617

4 ай бұрын

You’re the only one who has mentioned road charges this will make EV s unbelievably expensive to run 👍

That grill is trash

For the EV you charged it back to 100% but the petrol car you only filled once and didn’t fill it back to full. I think you should also add the cost of filling the car / charging the car from the beginning too to make it a fair comparison

@alihms

4 ай бұрын

I believe they did. See around 18:35 minute mark.

@hobo1704

4 ай бұрын

Cope

@derekdrummond7544

4 ай бұрын

@bennettlive. They did but it seems you really want something in favour of the EV , why not just continue to drive the ICE until its empty then recalculate and I think you'll find you'd have had to charge the EV again. You really wanted the EV to be better but it wasn't. Also what is your time worth , sitting around waiting for it to charge . Why not go the whole hog and factor in how much fuel you can buy with the difference in the car prices, then add in the cost of a home charging system . Most dumb ass comment I've seen in a while.

@AkioWasRight

4 ай бұрын

Rewatch the video.

Can you do a similar kind of analysis but doing errands in the city traffic?

What’s the difference in the purchase price between the two vehicles?