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The movie of "Fellowship" does Isildur no favours, making him look obsessed with the Ring. He doesn't try to conquer the world, but stays in Minas Tirith for a couple of years, instructing his nephew on ruling Gondor, and then heads north to seek the counsel of Elrond about what to do with the Ring. His escort is attacked along the way and the Ring is lost, along with the Elendilmir.

@user-yh4hh2vn8j

Ай бұрын

I agree. Isildur was made to look weak, making it hard to make Aragorn look like the big deal he was. The movie made it look like a fluke or bad luck on Sauron's part that he lost to the elves and men. In the scene with Isildur flailing out with broken Narsil accidentally cutting off the ring, the fearful expression he wore while doing so, then his eye buggering the ring in a later scene, then the ambush made me go "pfft" to the line of kings. I even sided with Boromir when he was "pfft" to Aragorn in Rivendale. I've read the books several times before the movies but needed to remember more details to dispute the film.

Small correction: Sauron didn't make 16 rings of power for Men and Dwarves, they were originally all meant for the Elves. But seeing how his plans failed, after sacking Eregion and taking them from Celebrimbor, he gifted them to the Men and Dwarves.

But Anarion's line did survive, they ruled as Gondor's kings for over a thousand years before the line ended.

@gauntman9636

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this. In fact, the sundering of Arnor and Gondor happened because the cousins couldn't agree on who should be high king of the Realms in Exile after Isildur. Weird thing to miss.

@RaggedGothic

22 күн бұрын

This was my immediate reaction to the video as well. Anarion may have died during _the War of the Last Alliance,_ but he had already produced heirs, and his lineage lasted until the death of king Eärnur of Gondor in 2050 Third Age, over two millennia after Anarion himself!

I loved the added sound effects - lol!

Jackson adaptation owes more to Ralph Bakshi than Tolkien in that lots of his earlier story-telling could be argued is a visual scene-by-scene upgrade of Bakshi's cartoon; it being the pre-visualization of Jackson's live film-version.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Very true, especially since that was Jackson’s introduction to middle earth when he was a kid.

@gloriousginger

Ай бұрын

THANK YOU! Not many people point this out. I scoured every sentence in that chapter for the "under the log" scene with the Nazgul. I wanted to feel that terror in written form. Doesn't exist. All Bakshi.

To be extra specific, none of the rings were originally made for Men or for Dwarves, they were all made by the Elves for themselves using Sauron's teachings, to 'ward off the decays of time', make Middle-earth 'as fair as Eressëa' etc. Then Sauron took them all during the war, except three that were made by Celebrimbor alone and thus 'unsullied' but still 'subject to the One'.

@hulkrae

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I came here to comment. Sauron only made one ring, which was The One Ring. All other Rings of Power were made by Celebrimbor and the Gwaith-i-Mírdain (except for the Three, which were made by Celebrimbor alone).

Found this very interesting. However, I don't think Jackson made a mistake streamlining the action for an opening scene. It could've been overwhelming introducing additional characters who had no direct bearing on the story.

They actually do show Gil galad with the spear

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Yep! He gets shown but his battle with Sauron is left out and he isn’t named. Not a giant thing, but of course as we’re pointing out every little thing, we had to mention it. 🫡

I stumbled across these videos tonight and love them. Very excited about watching the rest. You're doing a fantastic job.

As mentioned in the video, with a series of this magnitude I am bound to make mistakes! I am not Tolkien expert, just a fan having some fun with you all. :) Below are some errors that people have kindly pointed out. Feel free to reply to this to mention anything you noticed I missed. 1. Anarion's bloodline did survive and his sons, grandsons, etc... went on to be kings of Gondor. 2. Technically all the rings were made for the elves, but Sauron stole some them and gave them to dwarves and men. 3. Some of Galadriel's opening words are actually direct quotes from Treebeard in the books.

@BeteBlanc

Ай бұрын

As Anatar he helped them develop and perfect the craft. Many more minor rings were made before the perfected 9 and 7 were made. There is no number. The three were made after he left with the 16, without his knowledge or help. Which you may note is completely backward in the bad amazon show. I'm quibbling over the difference between "for" the elves and "by" the elves.

I remember when Fellowship of the Ring was first released in theatres. Folks who didn’t know it was a trilogy were so mad at the end of the film 😂😂😂.

Isildur doesn't cut off Sauron's "fingers." He cuts off only the finger that was wearing the Ring. That's why Gollum reports that Sauron, whom he has met in person, has only nine fingers.

omg I haven't realized how recent this video is before watching it. Can't wait for the follow up! Sir, you've earned your right to be followed :)

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Comments like these keep me motivated during this insane project. 😂 Hopefully the next episode will be out in a couple weeks!

differences between a book and its movie adaption are not necessarily "mistakes"

@marblestrength

Ай бұрын

Well the Rings of Power "not necessarily making a ton of mistakes..."

@victorfinberg8595

Ай бұрын

@@marblestrength !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never seen that, but it looks like just about everyone whose opinion has value hates it. doesn't change the intent of what i posted above. here's one adaptation that you have probably never heard of: the avalon hill boardgame starship troopers is an absolutely perfect rendition of the heinlein novel of the same name. for those who care enough to do the very best ...

@evanlughfahy9778

Ай бұрын

With Tolkien lore movie variances from the books ARE mistakes. Egregious mistakes.

@torontomame

Ай бұрын

​@@victorfinberg8595 Not "everyone". It wasn't great, but nowhere near as bad as the hate bandwagon makes it out to be.

@victorfinberg8595

Ай бұрын

@@torontomame fair enough. my comment above was purely anecdotal. (well, THAT comment, anyway. my ORIGINAL comment is correct, as is the one referring to starship troopers)

Just found you on week 3.. subscribed to see how far this goes

While Anarion doesn't appear or mentioned in Fellowship of the Ring, he is mentioned by Denethor in The Return of the King movie. "I am the steward of the House of Anarion and thus I'll sleep." when he and his men begins their walk towards The Tombs of the Stewards.

I found your channel from the Bombadil video but didnt realise it was a series! Got some viewing to catch up on! 😁

Fascinating - subbed!

I can't wait to see follow-up videos on this. I really do wish they showed the fight with Gil Galad, Saron, and Elendil. I feel like it would have shown more depth/sacrifice/cost of victory. But i do recognize they were trying to make it feel "hopeless". Also, comon man, this is a beloved franchise. We dont need fart or squeek sounds undercutting all the hardwork youre putting into your own video.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Okay come on admit it, you smiled (on the inside) when the fart happened… don’t deny it. 😏 But yes, noted.

@thugtrippin

Ай бұрын

Taking Gil Galad out was a good move because he only shows up in the prologue so they would have to introduce him for the introduction only which makes no sense.

Sauron standing in it to break the sword makes a lot of sense to me tho

To be fair, the final duel between Gil-Galad, Elendil and Sauron does take place at the base of Mount Doom, it's just that only Elrond, Cirdan and Isildur are present along with the combatants.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

It’s not much of a duel. Gil Galad doesn’t contribute, and Elendil walks forward to get swatted away like a fly. 😂 As mentioned, the book says they fatally wound Sauron. So they definitely put up a better fight than is shown in the movies.

@Kynokefalos

Ай бұрын

@@factorfantasyweeklyActually they filmed the duel in the film, even Gil-Galad's death but they cut it...nonsense. You just introduce him with his spear and disappear.

Anárion did have children. His descendants ruled Gondor until T.A. 2050 when Mardil became the first Ruling Steward. Aragorn (Elessar) was the first king of Gondor from Isildur’s line. Shifting topics-Sauron originally made the rings of power for the Elves (not the 3, which Celebrimbor made in secret as you said). He only tried giving them to Dwarves and Men as a plan B when the Elves found him out.

Some of the changes I think work better than the books, so I wouldnt personally say its “wrong” but rather different.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Totally agree! As I say at the end of this video, a lot of the changes are good things because they adapt it better for a visual/film format. I’m not saying they subjectively were in the “wrong” for changing something. I’m saying that they factually got some things “wrong”. Like when Sauron steps on the sword. Do I like it more for the movie? Yes! But is it factually *wrong* based on Tolkien’s original lore? Yep!

Love this, watch the trilogy Every year but never read the books so Im learning so so much from this series, commenting and liking every video to help out and hopefully going all the way through all movies/ books

He got nothing wrong, it’s a perfect movie.

Shucks, the adaptions Jackson made to explain the history of the Ring are niggling compared to some of the gratuitous changes he made later in the film (Elves at Helms Deep? Fie!) and those changes were less horrendous than some he had been contemplating (Arwen at Helms Deep? An abomination!).

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They didn't get it wrong, they changed it. That's sometimes necessary during an adaptation.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Exactly! These videos are just a fun way to uncover all the little things for us Tolkien nerds. :)

Watch Episode 2: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5p7lKppc73HfM4.html

Ngl i want the Sieg of Mordor be a game we can play and be involved with

If I remember, the intro to the movies was more of a opening to the film who didn't know what Lord of the Rings was, and for that who didn't read the books. So it was to set up a rough outline like plots that happened in the Second age, with the making of the rings, giving them to the Men and Dwarves, Elves making there own, the One Ring by Sauron, the Siege of Barad-Dur, cutting the hand, the Shards of Narsil, Isildur being killed and the Ring lost for centuries, Gollum finding it then loosing it, Bilbo having the ring... Then fading into legends and myths. Then the real opening for The Fellowship of the Ring. So I wouldn't say he go it wrong, I say he had to make an Epilogue for the movie to say this what roughly happened, and this is what's going to happen.

I had misgivings right from the opening moments of the film, fearing Jackson was taking too much licence, when I heard the voice of Galadriel speaking the words of Treebeard.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Good catch on something I missed! I will add it to the list.

I never thought that the opening of lord of the rings was the entire battle.

Thanks a lot, this is a great work. Only one thing, Isildur only cut one finger, the one with the One Ring.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Good point!

Great video, can't wait to watch the rest. While they did lay seige to Barad-dur the final duel took place on the slopes of Mt Doom which is fascinating to think about. Sauron with the ring, which is more powerful the closer it is to Mt Doom, was still defeated by a man and an elf. A last alliance. PS - will you cover Gimli trying to destroy the ring with his axe in Rivendell? It's my least favourite change though I understand why it was done.

@matthewbreytenbach4483

Ай бұрын

To be fair though, Elendil and Gil-Galad were _not_ normal. When Frodo and Sam caught sight of Barad-Dur in the distance the sheer power and terror of Sauron's revealed presence (this being a Sauron that was somewhat weaker than the one who fought the two kings) crushed their spirits from _over_ _four_ _miles_ _away_

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Good points! I am sure once I get there, I will have to discuss that part as well. Looking forward to covering the entire council of Elrond scene!

You shouldn't use a typeface that adds acute accents to every letter i.

Cirdan does not have a beard in the ring sequence...the fight for middle earth is not on the slopes of Orodurin...Isildur is neither wicked nor weak in relation to the ring...Gil-galad's death from the heat of Sauron's hand . Those seem to be missing right of the top.

He did not get it wrong. He made changes to make the story flow better and made it work. Like Yea you don't want Aragorn fighting the black riders with a half broken sword. That's why they made the half broken one to be fixed that ge can finaly become the King of Gondor. Made more sence that way.

@fjnemo

Ай бұрын

H even says and explains on the DVD extras

I like watching Jackson's films. I prefer to read Tolkien's books. I'm glad Jackson's films exist. Thanks for the exercise to identify the differences. Big Hug from Quebec

My biggest letdown was there was no Tom bombadil he is one the most interesting characters.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

I’m excited to talk about that part in the next couple episodes!

I think that the extended edition of the film is a bit too long while the theatrical release ever-so-slightly too terse. I am glad with almost any change the film trilogy made, as it works a lot better on the screen. What I don't like is the new color grading. From a movie I expect to understand every character without prior knowledge. LotR does a great job. Here and there it helps knowing the books, but the film is a piece of art and animated literature in its own right.

Enjoyed the video but you committed sacrilege yourself by using screen shots of the abomination known as Amazon's The Lord of the Rings, The Rings of Power

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

😂😂

@keithtorgersen9664

Ай бұрын

@nataliestclair, this. so much this. 😂😂😂

@jakemaattanen

26 күн бұрын

OMG. Celebrimbor. Grandson of Feänor, mightiest elf in body and mind. Master craftsman like his sire of old. Looks like a late middle aged civil servant.

@mephustowest1876

9 күн бұрын

I know it doesn't follow the books but I love the rings of power. I've watched it a few times. I don't understand all of the hate for it.

@jakemaattanen

9 күн бұрын

Dont worry. There is a whole Village of same minded people. Population: You. ​@@mephustowest1876

If he had the ring and was mortally wounded. Then, if he got the ring again in the third age, is it a forego conclusion that someone would conquer the world if you could even defeated not once, but twice when he went to the island of Numenore.

Excellent video, i just suscribe. ( Cannot wait for Arwen to glow like Glorfindel....like she saw the three of Valinor and slay a Balrog, i understand the point to create stronger character... but Arwen is Luthien ... and i honnestly don't know why they give her this form in the unseen world...) And the kung fu mages part... i understand that Jackson don't like the idea and the concept of Maia and it show in those movie, he never adress the nature of anyone, and maybe Saruman of many color would have been.... wierd XD Like ( the weed of the halfling clearly affect your mind... do you wan some LSD ) sorry for my english im french ;) But i think this is crazy that... this guy... Peter Jackson... success with LOTR... i mean.. have you watch his previous movies ? ... mainly The Feebles, a dark puppet musical horror comedy! But i think is streng was to create narative fallowing multiple characters, after he play with is toy and we watch the show. I'm curious on your point of view on Arwen representation... and power... ( Bombadil remain essentiel to the tolkien lore but if Jackson don't like the maia and the songs... it's better for him to not be there and not been misrepresented....like ... some stuart ;) Thank you again for your video!

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment! Excited to continue this series as well. Good points. I’ll keep an eye out for all those things. There may be some that are missed, but I will try my best! I’ll count on your input for future videos to know if I missed anything! 👏🏼🫡

Ehh really you list the missing characters but forget to mention Cirdan the shipwright , carrier of one of the 3 elven rings ? Who was also part of the last alliance and actually tried to convince Isildur to destroy the one ring right then and there ?

An important difference to note about Lore Isildur versus his movie counterpart is that he wasn't a jerk. He wanted to stay and fight, but his sons all but forced him to try and flee, offering themselves up as sacrifices to protect their king. The Ring slipped off as he tried to get away, but it was a tragic turn of mischief against a valiant hero rather than a last joke played on a weak-minded coward.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Hm, yea I didn't consider that! Good points.

@matthewbreytenbach4483

Ай бұрын

@@factorfantasyweekly Thanks, great video by the way.

PJ had to make the movies for everyone and not just for his fellow Tolkien nerds. Had he done that The Fellowship of the Ring would have flopped and the world would have been assaulted (insulted) by Meet the Feebles 2 & 3 rather than Two Towers and Return of the King!

Loved every minute of it. Can’t wait for the next part.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear it! Looking forward to making the next one. (And this project taking the next 3 years of my life… 💀)

Super amused at how much everyone hates even seeing rings of power 😂 I didn't like the show either, I didn't even finish it, but some of the visuals were pretty, if sometimes super CGI, the actors were good, although working with a rubbish script. But they were shot in both knees by not getting the rights to whole legendarium. So personally I don't mind it being used to represent characters. And I don't see this hate on other Tolkien channel's 😂

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Finally 😂 I just needed some footage of Celebrimbor

Please do not say "without further adieu". So many channels open with this and it means "without further farewell".

@iasimov5960

Ай бұрын

not "adieu" but "ado" meaning 'fuss, trouble, or bother'.

I feel like this video was made to curb the hate Amazon's ROP is getting. BTW, the amazon fan fiction is complete garbage. The changes PJ made makes for a better screen adaptation. He didn't purposely fk up lore.

Still not watching Rings of Power

please for gods sake do not try this with rings of power at home.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Once season 2 comes out I think I might 💀

Now you're going to make watch the movies again, you evil person! To be fair to the movie, the narration didn't say who forged the rings nor who gifted them, just that it happened. The only ring explicitly stated as being forged by Sauron was the one ring to rule them all. The movie also didn't say how long the battle was. I guess it sort of implied one battle, but I always assumed it was a long campaign since it shows scenes of destruction in the lands, and then showing the climactic battle.

Only 9 are you kidding me more like 9 million

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Haha throughout the entire movie maybe! I might have missed something in this scene though… what did you notice that I missed?

It was an adaptation…you can’t get it “wrong.” 🤦🏼‍♂️

@Eagle-eye-pie

Ай бұрын

You certainly can and he certainly did, good movies though.

Dude- please stop with the computer keyboard sounds. It reminds me of the computers that answers the phone when you call about a problem with your cable. It’s totally annoying and is killing any enjoyment of watching the video.

@KT-dj4iy

Ай бұрын

Ditto with the swooshes, bings, blips and Windows tones. Your content is good, your narration is fine too; the music you could perhaps drop in volume a little, but it's OK as well. But the sound effects; enuff! Think: would you hear them in the work of a pro grade documentary director. No. They're kiddie gimmicks, by kids, for kids. Your stuff is better than that. (Believe it or not, all of that was a compliment! 🤓 )

I do wish people would stop using this fannish meaning of "lore."

I never liked that the LOTR trilogy opened with that massive prologue, and I disagree that it's necessary for viewers to know everything about the back-lore before going into the main narrative. When you read the books, you're not given ANY of that information - it unfolds gradually as you make your way through the story. In fact, I think it spoils a lot and gives away WAY too much information about the Ring itself! Such a prologue eliminates a lot of the mystery around the ring and other characters, which is critical in telling such a story. Why not just let the story unfold and reveal itself naturally? Why front-load the narrative with this hyper-dense prologue. It does not help at all. One can just enjoy the story and learn along the way WITH FRODO. It's supposed to be seen more or less through the eyes of the hobbits, so we should come into the narrative just as innocent and naive about the bigger outer world and its history as Frodo and the other hobbits are! Anyway, just my two cents.

@factorfantasyweekly

2 сағат бұрын

I am currently making episode 10 where I cover the Council of Elrond, and something I noticed is that all of this lore and history gets brought up there. Elrond shares the history of the ring, etc… But those couple of chapters in Rivendell take 3 hours by themselves (if you use audible narration). So while I agree with your points, I’m not sure how the viewer would’ve learned the lore elsewhere in the movie since obviously they weren’t gonna give Elrond an hour long monologue in Rivendell. 😂 If they avoided this AND didn’t do a prologue, they would’ve had to invent a completely new narrative to unfold this mystery, therefore contradicting Tolkien big time. It’s kind of a lose lose situation.

OK iam out. i wanted to watch this as I am fan, but once i saw footage from Rings of Power, thats it.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

💀 *triggered*

@Keffinated

Ай бұрын

@@factorfantasyweekly I was triggered too. The Amazonian footage undermines your credibility.

book and movie aint same. you cannot adopt a book into show 100%. its not possible. why? cuz books aint visual.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Exactly! But it’s cool to go through and look at all the little differences… 👀 Only Tolkien nerds would understand. If you don’t care about Tolkien at all then this series isn’t for you. 😂

Wrong? 😡

I like the video. Not 100% accurate as many people already mentioned but still very close. BUT please. Refuse material of rings of power. Rather use illustrations you find online. Just vibes me outa the video with that shitshow

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement! Especially for this first episode (but for future ones as well), perfection is unattainable. Although I will try my best. :) And yes, I will no longer be including RoP stuff. ;) Even though I am not even referring to it, people seem to get sick just at the sight of it.

@iluvatar4244

Ай бұрын

@@factorfantasyweekly ye just seeing it is.... Horrendous

The footage from Amazon's sacrilegious abomination is quite the detraction from this video.

If you can’t ever say Sauron properly then just give up

It was an adaptation. It's simple: if you don't like it, go ahead, raise the money, get the rights and fund the movie and then direct your vision. Not complaining about the video, but those who like to whine about the differences.

If all you have to do is sit and scrutinize a movie that is over twenty years old you are wasting your life

Peter Jackson didn't get anything WRONG, he made the trilogy " based on the books " not an exact copy of. It take about 54 hours to read the books, do you want to sit in a movie theater for three 18 hour movies. I personally find Tolkien's writing incredibly boring but then he is an English professor. He will take a whole chapter just to tell you what color Elrond's hair is and why. PJ took all the boring parts out and ended up with the three greatest movies ever made.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

Agreed! There’s no way he could make a carbon copy of the books. This series is a chance for Tolkien nerds and lovers of the movies to explore the vast lore of Middle Earth! It’s a celebration of both the films and the books. 👏🏼

Peter Jackson got EVERYTHING wrong. While I enjoy the films as cinema, and they are certainly deserving of merit in that regard, I still say that Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings trilogy is one of the worst literary adaptations ever made. And a lot of the horrible choices made in regards to adaptation often lower the quality of the story as cinema: The dispensing of Tolkien’s morality. The uncanonical failures of nerve. The disregard for proper tone. The elasticity of pacing. The flattening of narrative. The interminable battle scenes. The complete destruction of characterization. The degradation of Tolkien’s prose, reducing beautiful sentiment to corny greeting card mush. The relentless trivialization of the story. And perhaps most egregiously, the facile appreciation of the book thinly veiling a profound and contemptible lack of comprehension of its themes. This is in addition to the enthusiastic copying of an alarming amount of shots, scenes, and entire sequences from Ralph Bakshi’s animated adaptation from 1978.

@factorfantasyweekly

Ай бұрын

But you say you still appreciate the films as cinema?

@jachyra9

Ай бұрын

@@factorfantasyweekly - Of course I do. I'm just not blind to how abysmal an adaptation they are.

@simonsalgueiro6217

2 күн бұрын

@@jachyra9 Exaggeration, the tool of kids and simpletons. You could have made a point without all the teen angst and fanboyish crap