I rode my “old” AXS yesterday and shifted under load numerous times. This product release, is so funny, reviewers are pretending the old Axs can barely shift at all. Sure there may be improvements, but Axs is still spectacular in all conditions.

@xovimac

Жыл бұрын

I totally agreed, overwhelm by all of this reviews, I rode mi bike today and was wondering what they mean my axs shift well underload, is not comparable to shimano but it does the job.

@Lee-ic2yn

Жыл бұрын

​@@xovimac shimano doesn't shift well under load it sounds terrible

@JackMott

9 ай бұрын

im hard for the elimination of limit screws

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

​@@Lee-ic2ynNot if everything is aligned . My TREK custom build runs beautifully with a Shimano cassette and Connex Wipperman chain .

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

​@@Lee-ic2ynAll groupsets make some noise under load including Transmission , Eagle , Linkglide , Cues and 8x1 Essa ( just tested ).

Just wanna thank you guys in Australia for all your reviews and vids so good to have genuine quality

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly mate, we appreciate the feedback! [Wil]

Thanks for the detailed review. This is by far the most informative review I've seen for this new transmission so far.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for the feedback Ryan, much appreciated! [Wil]

The new SRAM T type stuff looks amazing The Elephant in the room is that most of us will need a new frame to get it!

@equiusoceano8493

Жыл бұрын

Prices are coming down at least

@Lee-ic2yn

Жыл бұрын

Really? My bike came with a UDH, I didn't really that wasn't a common thing

@robertmcfadyen9156

2 ай бұрын

UDH adaptors , I have recieved some at the beginning of this year (2024) .

As always, the best review when everyone is reviewing the same thing

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Eric! We put a lot of time into testing the new groupset, so hopefully that comes across in the review. [Wil]

Great video! Thx! 👍 Most detailed and info loaded about the new drivetrain. You even did a clip about hitting the derailleur on a rock while cornering. 👍👍

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Mick spent a good portion of a photoshoot repeatedly smacking the derailleur on that rock - he said it sounded absolutely horrible, but it was a perfect way to test out its strength! [Wil]

Thank you so much for your review, excellence work!! Enjoy watching your video all time.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much mate, appreciate your feedback! [Wil]

Very cool stuff. My shimano xt 12 speed works just fine after 2 years and 1 chain and 1 gear cable change, so I guess I wont upgrade any time soon lol

@LuLeBe

8 ай бұрын

Yeah my SLX drivetrain works flawlessly and I don't get how people suddenly say it's bad. Especially the "shifting under load" thing. Everybody was like "wow Shimano hyperglide+ so great to shift under load" and suddenly they're pretending it can't even shift on a bike stand xD

What a superb technical presentation. Another brilliant videos guys👌

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Iain, appreciate the feedback! [Wil]

You blokes rock. Best reviews. Thanks Wil.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

Looks really neat and integrated with the frame, nice!

That SB looks sick. Love my Revel Ranger but that SB 120 looks killer also. Especially with the new SRAM

such great teaching!

I've gotten Sram XO1 on all my new bikes since 2011, they have always shifted under load, lighter, easy enough to adjust, simpler is better for me, I'll keep my XO1 stuff on my sub 22 pound Epic EVO, weight is something that matters when your climbing up hill after hill in your late 70's, you can have all the Green Tricknology.. Happy Trails ;) !!!

@JackMott

9 ай бұрын

transmission is simpler. no hanger no limit screws. 20 grams doesn’t matter at 70 or 80 years old

amazing video.. def got me sold on it.. now just need a small loan LOL...Thanx for all the vids u do!!!!

Great video. I got a question for you guys about the RS super deluxe ultimate coil RCT2 used on the Levo in the video. Is that a regular shaft or the new steel shaft? Thanks!

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, appreciate the feedback! Not too sure on the SDU coil shock that Mick's running on his Levo, I'll see if I can find out for you! [Wil]

@pinoypridemtb

Жыл бұрын

@@FlowMountainBikeKZread please if you have time. I heard SRAM is making a coil compatible with robust steel shaft for the Levo. Thanks!

Thank you for this Return. Can you give me the reference of the T-Type on your Turbo Levo ? I think X0 is also compatible ? Sorry for my english ;)

Ordered the Bosch xx version for my Voima😀 can’t wait to give it a go!👏🏻

@LastAphelion

11 ай бұрын

How are you liking it? Nervous Im not going to like it on what I just ordered...

I may have missed it, but how much more durable is its wear life compared to the previous generation? I'm thinking e-bike, is it twice as good (200%) or more?

I'm genuinely looking forward to getting this. I'll be saving up...yes it's pricey, but this sport never was cheap to begin with. From all the reviews and tests done by reviewers; the absence of all the adjustment screws, the robustness of the derailleur, the crisp shifting and shifting under full load, to me it's worth the price... you're paying for peace of mind while out on the trails. I think SRAM has really raised the bar.

Great review. Really would wait how Shimano would respond.👍

Best review out there! Although I won't be buying, probably ever.

I love the new SRAM setup with the UDI, I just would like to run it with my Race Face crank set.

So the derailleur is ok after hits but how is your frame now it's taking the force instead of the hanger ?

Great thorough review, thank you

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it! [Wil]

One thing I have noticed is that after extended time racing on the XXSL cassette, the teeth that match up with the shifting ramps are super worn down. Only been on it for 6 months but it is noticeably destroyed. Maybe it is the aluminum instead of steel plate?

I want this transmission on a recumbent trike but i don't know which trike has an UDH....since they never mentioned it in the description...

Bend your hanger in a race and your done. Happened to me a few times. This is such an amazing design.

Can you use an oval chainring on XX transmission?

So you don't need to buy the ebike specific cranks and chain ring?

I was told the new Sram GX Transmission can not be fit on my Dengfu E10 V2 Ebike. But it seems like it should work on any EMTB or MTB? But i am not a mechanic.

Nice! I wonder how many bikes it will come out on though. Mostly interested in shifting under load! Not so much the wireless

@duodecaquark3186

Жыл бұрын

Any udh dropout bike is compatible.

@brokenlegz

Жыл бұрын

@@duodecaquark3186 oh awesome! Might be a bit more compatible than I thought. I have since looked up the price though 😬

@duodecaquark3186

Жыл бұрын

@@brokenlegz Yep. Lol not for the average mountain biker for sure.

@pneal77

Жыл бұрын

It'll most likely be on just higher tier bike packages until they introduce a GX version. Until then the UDH absolutely will be on more and more bikes going forward since it's an open standard (very shrewd SRAM) and as long as you've got that you can buy the system later.

I have a non-udh frame, interested to know which parts of the new system could be used (in addition to the new control pods) if any?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not a lot. The new Controller Pods are backwards compatible, but otherwise all the moving gear stuff (derailleur, cassette, chain & chainring) isn't. For example, the new cassette sits 2.5mm outboard compared to a regular Eagle 12-speed cassette, so it may actually present physical clearance issues with some non-UDH dropouts. [Wil]

Tbh I still like the good old fashioned derailleurs where they've to mounted on hangers. I like adjusting the L screws now and then...it's like a bond between you and your bike and by spending time with it like while adjusting your L screws, the bond gets stronger...

@LuLeBe

8 ай бұрын

Also if you break something it'll be a cheap hanger and not a $300 derailleur.

Does the gx transmission also have the jockey wheel feature being if something gets stuck in it that it will freely spin

@Tullebukk75

9 күн бұрын

No

Specialized 3rd generation turbo levo I bought it. Is it possible to install the new transmission without any problems?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

It was an easy install for Mick with his Gen 3 Levo. SRAM will be offering a variety of aftermarket T-Type chainrings in order to fit regular MTBs and e-MTBs, and we were able to source one of those to swap out with the stock chainring on the Levo. [Wil]

Everyone is talking about the durability of the derailleur but how does the cassette last

Do you know if you HAVE to use the new eagle crankset/chainring with the new transmission? I wanted to know if you have to use the new chain and new cranks. I prefer to use my 5Dev cranks and oval chainring.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

You could use your current 5Dev cranks, but you would need to ensure you had a 'T-Type' compatible chainring in the correct offset. This is because the new Flattop chain uses a 'T-Type' profile that is specific to the new T-Type cassette and chainring. [Wil]

@Brain_3D

Жыл бұрын

@@FlowMountainBikeKZread good info! Know anyone who is selling or making a T-type chainring with the offset that uses the older 3 bolt mounting?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

It looks like Wolf Tooth is offering T-Type compatible chainrings; instagram.com/p/CqEaVbjyaCd/ I suspect plenty of others will be joining in soon too! [Wil]

If you remove the rear wheel, is the derailleur at risk of popping off without the axle to hold it in place?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Not at all - the derailleur will stay fixed to the dropout. [Wil]

@michaelmicallef668

Жыл бұрын

The UDH doubled as a captive nut. But now the derailleur is playing that role of hanger and captive nut. The axle comes through the non drive side and bolts into the captive nut.

Gripshift would be great for electronic shifting. Slight twist forward or back to shift.

does it work with 52mm chainline?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Good question! All the new SRAM transmissions are optimised around a 55mm chainline, so all of the new cranksets and chainrings sit at 55mm, and the cassette is spaced out 2.5mm wider to match. All of those components will fit to an existing frame, whether it's been built around a 52mm or 55mm chainline. I guess your question might be around whether you can use your existing crankset with a 52mm chainline and the new SRAM transmission? Firstly, the T-Type profile of the Flattop chain requires a specific T-Type compatible chainring. SRAM is offering aftermarket chainrinngs that would allow you to do that, and I'm assuming there will be +3mm offset options that will allow you to use your existing 52mm crankset but match up the chainline for the new transmission. I'll double check that one for you! [Wil]

The Yeti SB 120 has the wrong rear shock. Why?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

It's a custom build with the piggyback shock and a 140mm Pike. Pretty rad! [Wil]

I want a cable one!

Do you need a new hub if you want to upgrade to SRAM transmission?

@nj-zl7ot

Жыл бұрын

No, it uses the same XD driver.

…if there is a deficiency in the facing of the inner portion of the frame dropout where it interfaces with the cassette and integrated hanger, there will be alignment issues leading to poor shifting…at least with a traditional hanger you can adjust it.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right - the frame has to be manufactured to the tolerances required of the UDH design. Just like post mount brake tabs, pivot bearings, a BB shell or a head tube, if the frame has been built with poor tolerances, then there will be issues. [Wil]

@reineherrera8897

Жыл бұрын

Yes, which is more common than one might think. I worked at an LBS as a service manager and technician during the height of the pandemic for two years building entry to elite level bikes. Gently hand-filing post mounts to correct brake rub is something I could do without for a while.

Is this compatible with superboost frames?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Yes - SRAM is offering both 0mm and 3mm offset T-Type chainrings. If you had a wider SB crankset, I *think* you would need the 0mm offset option, though I'm not 100% sure on that. For reference, here's a Pivot Switchblade fitted with the new X0 groupset; instagram.com/p/CqDiOunvo4F/ [Wil]

If I am Shimano, i am coming out with new mechanical direct mount derailleurs. I like the idea of direct mount but without the battery.

I’ve messed up two derailleurs this year as a result of my poor riding. Reckon it is worth the investment vs having to replace or realign one every month ?😂

@ShoneDaddy

Жыл бұрын

Maybe if you wanna replace your rear triangle

Love my XX AXS transmission but the power meter seems unreliable as hell. I had some suspicious readings on a ride a month or two ago, but today had to re-zero it at least 4 times within 20 minutes. It gets out of spec really quickly. Just did the re-calibration process designed for a new bike installation and hoping it helps, but not holding my breath. 40Nm+ torque offset is concerning to say the least.

Is it waterproof

glowing review what if you crash

5:25 wait how is that different to a cable actuated derailleur? If a conventional deraileur breaks here, its because the metal bends, which is why the hanger was there in the first place. If the same situation happens, this deraileur has to take the impact which requires you to make it stronger/heavier

@mircea5013

11 ай бұрын

Bullshit of course. A lot of bullshit.

Will it fit every frame?

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Only if it has a UDH, which seems to be most new mountain bikes these days. We've even started seeing some new gravel bikes using the UDH standard, which might indicate where SRAM is taking the direct-mount derailleur in the future. [Wil]

Chordal resonance in the two smallest cogs of the rear cassette is ",STILL" a problem under load .

Best review on KZread! ❤ Thank you, guys! I'm left with two more questions: 1. Did you use the SRAM 104 BCD Chainring on the Levo? So chain line is fine with that? 2. According to some listings X0 derailleur should have the Magic Wheel as well. Can you confirm that? Thanks!

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Yep, it's a SRAM T-Type 104 BCD chainring that Mick fitted to his Levo. I'm not 100% sure on the chainline but I'll check in with him to find out. I don't have the X0 derailleur to hand, but according to SRAM's specs it's only the XX and XX SL derailleurs that feature the Magic Wheel. I'd be surprised if you couldn't purchase those jockey wheels separately and upgrade the X0 mech with them though. [WIl]

How can you find out if you bike is compatible?

@peterfreeman3317

Жыл бұрын

There is a website that shows all bikes by brand that have UHD, I’d assume more will show up in 2024.

@damiienevo4053

Жыл бұрын

@@peterfreeman3317 thanks I have looked I have a 2020 Scott spark ultimate with the newer SRAM axs but I can’t find if I have this universal hanger frame

@peterfreeman3317

Жыл бұрын

@@damiienevo4053 Call Scott. My new Scott Spark RC frameset is UHD. Just ordered the XX SL thru my LCS.

Now we need a frame alignment tool 😂 great ..

@deverenfogle3201

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! As soon as it’s really whacked, or the derailleur rotates slightly where that rough texture eats into the a carbon frame, and will need to be screwed tighter, tolerances will go out the window!

@thetrailbuilder

Жыл бұрын

@@deverenfogle3201 There's trim adjust in the mech, will fix your tolerances.

There has never been a shortage of companies labeling old technology as "revolutionary". Almost always those labels are thought up by ad companies.

I want it

i still love vintage Shimano

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Who doesn't!

I'm actually impressed, probably not going to like the price though.

The system seems impressive although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace. Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger... Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌

@LuLeBe

8 ай бұрын

Yeah standard recipe. Make people want something, and slip in things that aren't immediately obvious but make them more money in the long run.

@aleszverca

8 ай бұрын

@LuLeBe Yep, most people will buy anything sugar-coated...one other issue I see with it is that a rider can cary a spare hanger in the kit, but cannot a pulley cage. It's been a while and I was right, have noticed reports of ripped of pulley cages.

Why is everyone spamming this … Its too expensive for something that is meant for wear en tear

Pretty cool that sram can finally shift under load. Although shimano has had this for all eternity. With that price, the hype train will not be getting my $$$. I will wait 2 years for guiney pigs to sort out everything.

I hope SRAM makes a cable operated version of this new "transmission"

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

We're curious about that too! Many of the same technologies could be translated over to a mechanical system, and it sure would be interesting to see what a cable-operated direct mount mech would look like. Surely it would be smaller and lighter? That said, SRAM appears to be wholly committed to electronic groupsets from the GX/Rival level up, so perhaps we'll only see an entry-level mechanical groupset at the NX/SX level? [Wil]

@marauder7412

Жыл бұрын

@@FlowMountainBikeKZread it would be a shame if there were no cable operated counterparts, as I'm sure a lot of riders are not interested in electronics. Also I don't quite understand why there needs to be a new crankset. Maybe is we are lucky, they would release a cable operated GX with new cassette/chain and chainring.. Fingers crossed.

it makes my gx axs looks like a tourney. 😬😬... then again, it is more than twice the price.

Imagine how much better it could have been if they didn’t add unnecessary weight to make it durable enough for motorbikes.

So it's not belt drive for ebikes

looks amazing but a strange time to release something so exy...bike shops cant get rid of bikes, and the second hand market is flooded with people trying to sell their pushies for dirt cheap.. time will tell.

Shimano has had Shadow tech for years

I wouldn’t worry too much about no hanger there to protect your frame, the derailleur will be more expensive than most frames 😂 but seriously looks great, only downside looks to be cost (any idea on how much AUD?), small weight penalty, and only compatible with UDH frames, so for many this means you need to upgrade the frame not just the drivetrain.

@marauder7412

Жыл бұрын

$2600 for the XO

Must be rough as a sponsored xc racer having to give up almost a pound of weight compared to 11 speed for no gain.

All nine reasons are trumped by the price. These will only be found on new bikes; with a markup as their "premium" line. 😮

Its still just a derailleur… gearboxes would be a paradigm shift.

@benwildman6164

Жыл бұрын

Still can’t shift under load on a gearbox though

@castortoutnu

Жыл бұрын

@@benwildman6164 on some of them you can, the 3x3 for example.

@nicolapellegrino1072

Жыл бұрын

​@Ben Wildman if you need to shift under load simply you need to learn how to shift better because is absolutely not necessary.

@benwildman6164

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolapellegrino1072 sometimes it is necessary, we have convinced ourselves it is not necessary as up until recently most drivetrains couldn’t handle it. Shimano HG + and now SRAM Transmision have changed that.

@DoctorSookeEnCarne-ir9nq

Жыл бұрын

@@nicolapellegrino1072 exactly... Ride right

They went far with pricing.

It's cool but don't want electronics on my bike will see in time tho 1600 worth na not yet

Will , you are my look - alike , how ironic .

Give me Linkglide ten speed any day and I'll keep the change thanks 🤪

Watched a few videos on this now and I can't believe all you guys stand on it to show its strength.. thats not a good way to show strength. I commented on a different video also but if you weigh 180lbs and clip a rock while going just 10mph that generates more than 14,000 lbs of force... but yeah stand on it to prove how strong it is. I want to see some reviews after some people have actually had strikes against it on rocks while riding. Not some gentle standing on it. Time will tell how good this actually is but im certainly not dumping that kinda money into actually testing it out.

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

I guess you didn't see the clip at 7:13 or hear us talk about it in the video? There's also a heap more detail in the full review regarding durability testing, setup, pricing, and our thoughts on a GX AXS version. You can check it out here if you get the chance: flowmountainbike.com/tests/sram-xx-eagle-axs-t-type-transmission-review/ [Wil]

@nathanharmon5872

Жыл бұрын

7:07

@shawnbowen6833

Жыл бұрын

@@FlowMountainBikeKZread no i didn't watch the whole thing. When someone stands on it and says see its strong that's time for me to roll me eyes and shut it off. How can I take anything seriously after that.

@ThatGuy-mf9ye

Жыл бұрын

I noticed the standing being done by every channel as well. Trying to justify the $1500+ for a groupset, I guess.

@benwildman6164

Жыл бұрын

Might be best to watch the whole video before commenting

Shimano boardroom today frantically trying to get around the parents

Cannot wait to get a new bike with the SRAM Eagle

Almost £2500 though....My whole bike cost that...Ha !

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

My car cost less than that 😳 [Wil]

Legacy tech: no derailleur hanger, horrible design, risk of bending the frame, destroying the derailleur Current tech: we added a derailleur hanger, frame is safe, derailleur protected, brilliant idea New tech: we removed the derailleur hanger, direct mount for derailleur, innovative design. Give me a break

Looks like a sponsored commercial not a review.

@madrx2

Жыл бұрын

@@mtbohana exactly

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

No sponsored content here folks! I can't speak for any of the other reviews online, but SRAM hasn't paid us to produce this video. I wouldn't be working for Flow if we were forced to churn out sponsored reviews. We have a lot of pride in our jobs, and I hope that dedication and experience comes across in our review content. Full disclaimer - SRAM sent us two of its new groupsets last year, so we didn't pay for them. That's the case with most of the bikes and gear that we review here at Flow. We've been testing these groupsets over the past six months, and this is our long-term review that draws from that experience. We certainly shared your scepticism regarding the lack of a derailleur hanger when we first starting riding the new transmission last year, but despite all the riding we've done, we're still yet to encounter a problem. The main downside with the new groupsets is cost - some of the components are very expensive, particularly when compared to say, a Shimano XT drivetrain. In terms of performance and durability however, we're yet to encounter any major flaws. It is properly impressive. Hope that helps explain, but by all means give us a hoy if you've got any questions! [Wil]

@groupnakub

Жыл бұрын

​@@mtbohana i call sponsered sir!!

Drivetrain has never been something I see as holding me back or needing major advancements. But it is cool to see new stuff.

Hold my beer , I can make it fail and break like any other . It’s a good beginning .

If it works better on bikes with engines, better stick to my cable transmission

It's amazes me how these transmissions cost just as much, if not more, than car transmissions.🤦

Paradigm shift you say ?? Ever heard of Pinion gearbox ? Well that's a paradigm shift , taking weight from the rear axle , and almost the same price of this stone age thing .. derailleur .. pfff

Price is a paradigm shift...

You know that in the transmission lifetime you'll have to replace chain chainring cassette and pulleys many times? You know how much these replacements cost? So you're going to spend a huge amount of money to have a derailleur that's still a derailleur but enormously expensive to maintain. Paradigm shifting? Lol I'll pass.

Big deal. We want automatic shifting & IGH

This shifter looks like not finished prototype

…. And I starts at $1599 USD. Pffffft.

Lol, transmission pertains to cars. Sorry sram! For MTB and road cycling it is still drive train! How about the delay under load! For racing this is a big if. I still go to to my XTR drive train.

Review ? 😂😆🤣 this is a sales pitch for yet another way the bike industry can continue to raise prices which are already at astronomical levels . "Paradigm shift" ? come on man ,thats hyperbole on steroids . The difference in overall function is negligible at best . There was nothing wrong with cable derailleurs prior to electronic shifting and this so called shift is the same . The only group of people that these changes appeal to are those with huge amounts of disposable income and or those that are enamored with prestige and coolness. If you are convinced that you can't have fun on a mechanical derailleur with hanger then you need your subjective level of joy adjusted .

Long Term review, 6 months and 300 miles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@groupnakub

Жыл бұрын

mini term hahaha

@FlowMountainBikeYouTube

Жыл бұрын

It's actually more when you measure in kilometres like the rest of the world 😉

Long term review lol.

NO! it just a overhyped overpriced solution for problem that never existed in the first place

Just another commercial channel. My next drivetrain will be Shimano or any OTHER.