i watched a bunch of ads on other channels then watched this. and as usual vital is the only no-bs version. i dont know why i even watch anything else at this point. also, thanks!

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

thanks! we tried to keep it down to facts and riding impressions.

@asilver1234

Жыл бұрын

Is it a concerted effort to stand directly on the rear triangle, attachment point, to give the illusion of putting weight on the derailleur, everyone’s video is the same, this similarity between everyone’s video feels like sram said “hey everyone stand on the triangle to show how strong the derailleur is, don’t actually stand in the derailleur. I stress, the viewpoint is it seems every video is doing it, not just one video hence the immediate skepticism

All the so-cal riding footage convinced me to spend my money traveling and keep my old xo1 cable shifting. Been a long winter, and only recently got some Lefthand laps in.

It's like they heard what everyone wanted in a wireless group and did the exact fucking opposite 😭 ridiculously expensive, zero backwards compatibility, and just make it direct mount for the lols. Eurgh

@ManNomad

Жыл бұрын

Proprietary crap that is obsolete in 2 years while still making easy monthly payments.

This is faaar out of my price range, just clicked to see if it's another add or an actual review. Vital did not disappoint, as usual.

Nope! Cost more than a rebuilt transmission for a F-150

@ninjazzrhythm400

Жыл бұрын

LMAO, I thought I was the only one.

@THRENO82

Жыл бұрын

Looks awesome but could never justify the $

@disco.lemonade

Жыл бұрын

@@THRENO82 This ain't for broke ass cyclists

@googolplex2789

Жыл бұрын

@@disco.lemonade I think it’s either for people with more money than sense, or people who want to become broke ass cyclists.

@disco.lemonade

Жыл бұрын

@@googolplex2789 New, great things are always expensive at first. Don't you remember the price of the first 1 x 12? That's how it works, people with lots of money pay for these new technologies, and later down the road then companies can make them cheaper, once investment has been paid. Nothing wrong with that.

The words "Sram" and "indestructible" shouldn't be left near each other.

@ManNomad

Жыл бұрын

I could destroy that Sram drive-train in one session no problem.

@Dude-Smellmyhelmet

Жыл бұрын

​@Fred Sanford Yea of course you could.

@trailfork7815

Жыл бұрын

@@Dude-Smellmyhelmet even if you couldn't the only other thing that would give way in the event something goes wrong is the rear triangle

@hangnrashr

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSupermugen At least it's a stick that breaks the Shimano. A sram mech will fall apart all on its own. Everything sram make is dirt except the Rock Shox and Time stuff. Done even start me on the DUB bb's.

@hangnrashr

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSupermugen Amazing how experiences differ.

"lets make the new sram universal deraliur hanger" SRAM 2 years later: LOL LETS BOLT THE MECH DIRECTLY TO THE FRAME.

@SouthernSender

Жыл бұрын

They had to drive the industry to that spec so they could release this kind of deraillur... A wolf in sheeps clothing lol

@downhilljedi

Жыл бұрын

Typical Sram. That's why if given a choice I never buy their products

@Norcaljedi_ea

Жыл бұрын

Its actually mounted to the axle…..try again bud.

@stokedmtb333

Жыл бұрын

2 years from now SKAM will reduce price on Transmission by 50% just to introduce gearbox/internal hub drivetrains a few months later. 😂

@SouthernSender

Жыл бұрын

@@Norcaljedi_ea lol, its mounted on the frame and secured by the axle. Dont be a dick if you dont know what you're talking about... bud

Considering I have gone 3 years without bashing a derailleur, and that I can buy 4 or 5 GX derailleurs for the price of one T derailleur...I will continue to run mechanical GX.

How can you justify a chain costing 150 dollars?

@TeamCykelhold

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry, dentists always want the most trick new bling no matter the cost.

@obi-wankenobi9871

Жыл бұрын

You cant

@MAGAIVER

Жыл бұрын

It is less efficient than Shinano's chains, that must count for something right?

@zaccatlin

Жыл бұрын

What if it lasted you 18 months of riding? or more...

Those prices are absolutely fucking ridiculous They are clearly targeting dentists with this stuff🤣

@MAGAIVER

Жыл бұрын

Price conscious riders should not waste their money on anything SRAM, SLX is cheaper and works better. Let the rich one's waste their money on SRAM.

I asked questions about this new tranny on other channels and then you guys answered my questions. Thanks for giving the details in the video so no need to ask!

Cool stuff! Thanks for showing it. Kinda has an XTR styling to it all. The new shifter pod looks more comfortable.

Absolutely ridiculous the prices of these components! Literally buy a very very good frame and shock if not full bike for this price!

@disco.lemonade

Жыл бұрын

Of course, so is a flagship phone, for example. You comment makes no sense, when there're dozens of other options for basically all budgets.

Lower price and weight option: 85€ 280g M8100 derailleur. 25€ 130g M6100 shifter. 35€ 260g M8100 chain. 260€ 335g Garbaruk xD 10-50T cassette. 20€ 80g M8100 bottom bracket. 70€ 500g M7100 cranks. 55€ 65g Alugear 34T chainring. ========================= 550€ 1650g Total.

@Rawkus919

Жыл бұрын

Singlespeed? 🤘

I'll keep rocking my SRAmanio drivetrain.

Great!! Now I’ll probably be able to afford and old cable actuated xo1 Or xx group set!!!

Thank Vital for the best review till now, and thank you for replying on my comment. I deleted exactly when you replied ( because i saw in the video the think with the chainrings)

I want this, but with option to swap out the smallest 4 cogs that always wear out first just like Shimano cassettes. That would make your cassette last 3 times longer on ebike applications. I don't want to swap out the entire (expensive) cassette every time the smallest cogs wear out, but I also do not want an 800g boat anchor of a cassette like Shimano Linkglide. The best combination would be if I can use this shifter/derailleur combo with a Shimano chain and cassette. I'm worried about the derailleur being mounted directly of the frame though, although with these prices it can be hard to tell if it's better that the frame dies or the derailleur.

@Montblanc1986

Жыл бұрын

Run a 38T ring

@TeamCykelhold

Жыл бұрын

@@Montblanc1986 The emtb frames I have tried until now have never supported 38t (Orbea Rise, Trek Fuel EXe, Vitus e-sommet)

Looks super really good.

Very good review.

Heavier, slower and more expensive what’s the point ?

@durismichalto

Жыл бұрын

Its worse and more expensive so You should buy it. Same as iphone.

the shifting speed is a concern. from 11:15 to 11:50 on the video. Great review and info.

Cool stuff. Hey mom can I borrow $1700?

@FORTE-VIDEOS

Жыл бұрын

That’s so much.

@AARON818818

Жыл бұрын

No 😮 Go to your room an don't came out till tomorrow! HO

I had a couple questions: - Does the derailleur come off or need to be reset/tweaked back into position every time the rear wheel is removed? (My guess is no, considering the R&D that went into this😂 but, knowing Sram, it’s possible lol.) - Did Sram finally get some single gear microshifting adjustment into the app for this group set? That would make it appealing right away. (I’m sure shifting is now supposed to be perfect, but there always seems to be a gear on the cassette that is more finicky than the rest)

@stokedmtb333

Жыл бұрын

GREAT questions for SKAM! I am still not convinced considering the price point for an electronic shifter that is so slow - oh and it’s not backwards compatible which means replacing ENTIRE drivetrain - cranks, shifter and all. Also didn’t the derailleur hanger help protect frame from damage? Transmission is marketed for dentists, pro-riders, upgrade fanatics and industry peeps. I am but a humble shredder with an even humbler wallet.

@dsanfdsa1

Жыл бұрын

Hey @Aram S - The derailleur stays locked in position when you remove the wheel. You don't need to reset it every time. The trim adjustment (moving the derailleur .2mm inboard or outboard through the app or on the shifter) affects the entire range. Since the entire system is locked in place around the axle, individual gear adjustments aren't necessary since there's less inconsistency in the system compared to older drivetrain designs. @Stoked! MTB I've ridden both systems and found that the ability to shift at any time under any load makes up for slower shifting. You just don't need to dump gears like before. The derailleur hanger protected the frame in that it was a weak link that was expendable. Transmission protects the frame by actually adding armour to the rear and of the bike. (Remember it covers the dropout, but is attached to the axle.) And from the humble wallet side of things, building a bike with an XO Transmission will actually save you about $100 over buying the current generation XO ($1700 MSRP for current XO, $1599 for Transmission XO). 🤑

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Bad news for your carbon frame ;-) frame is f&*ked but your derailleur still works 👌

Enjoy your 600usd cassette! Hope the teeth wont break off like they used to on the gold xx1 ones

Good,make the XTR more obtainable 👍.. yup,break your $1000 rear frame drop out rather than a 5.00 hanger🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Can't stand anything Sram especially their breaks. Will keep my reliable cable operated derailleur, excellent Shimano mineral oil based brakes and everything else Shimano makes.

I've done the testing (see channel for video). The old AXS/XTR components are NOT compatible with the new Transmission system. I was actually hoping for better news but it is what it is. If you want to ride a direct mount derailleur, you'll have to buy the cassette, chain and chainring too.

Replacing worn out pieces of this drivetrain ain’t gonna be cheap. Battery isn’t included? How magic will the magic wheel be after mud and muck?why did the shifting speed get so much slower?

Ummm I’ll stick to Shimano. Cool to have different options.

@kingflynxi9420

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing the range of components you can get now, especially with the shimano CUES stuff coming out for cheap options

Correct me if i’m wrong but I thought the idea of a derail lure hanger was that it was the sacrificial weak point in case of a crash, meaning, a cheap fix. Now, is the weak point….the dropout on the frame? 😕 All just for the marginal gains of electric shifting?

@bubbastard

Жыл бұрын

If you engineer out the weak point, you don't need a weak point.

@Armenian

Жыл бұрын

@@bubbastard you got a point. I suppose if you smack your derail-lure at a force of greater then 250lbs, you probably have bigger issues to deal with like perhaps retrieving said bike from the bottom of a cliff.

@obi-wankenobi9871

Жыл бұрын

@@bubbastard You cant "engineer out the weak point". There is always a weakest point and that is now your frame or derailieur.

@speedsquishstupid

Жыл бұрын

Its cleverly enough using the actual axle, but still makes the weak point the chainstay. Notice they stepped on it with an aluminum chainstay lmao.

@mgoo1713

Жыл бұрын

@@bubbastard NO you just move the weak point to a different point. There will always be a weak/failure point. Looking at this, it might turn out to be the rear triangle

Sorry if I missed it but will this stull work as a mullet set up with force or rival road brifters?

I like the derailleur concept with the direct mount but can they make one for mechanical version? For much cheaper and hopefully lighter? I’ve never been a fan of AXS and quickly converted back to mechanical on all my bikes.

is there a list of frames that it'll fit to? I agree that only offering a 10-52 cassette is the limiting factor. For gravel-type situations something like a 10-44 would be a bit better.

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

sram website here for frames - bikefinder.sram.com/universal-derailleur-hanger-bikes

A gear hanger was introduced to protect the bike frame from damage, what happens here in the event of impact or chain jammimg.

XXcess... I have a $50 derailleur and a $20 hanger, both of which can be found anywhere, and they work together just fine. No need for special cassette or chain.

Could I in theory get everything but new cranks and chainring? If the new flattop chain works with old sram eagle then that should work right?

Shifting that slow is a deal breaker. I will wait for Shimano's next groupsets.

I'll keep buying aliexpress drive train. Shifts good and high value for the price. I'm more intrigued now with the gearbox drive train. I think shimano is waiting for the Hondas patent on mid drive gearbox to expire. I'll be waiting for that instead.

@stokedmtb333

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Me thinks that gearbox is the next evolution of drivetrain! While SKAM continues to make overpriced mediocre components, Shimano and other mech drivetrains are affordable and much more reliable. SKAM also just suckered a bunch of people to buy their AXS drivetrains a couple months ago by dropping the price by like 40-50%…anticipating the release of the Transmission and NOT making it backwards compatible! What a SKAM! 😂😂😂

I'm running the XO version on a MT2 like in the video but I'm getting A LOT of chainslap on the downhill, especially over lots of roots and braking bumps. It is installed correctly and chain length is cut accordingly to bike model and size. Any suggestions?

great review that's nailed the facts and left the Karen's holding placards

Wonder if X01 cranks works on ep8 motor? Can i use only der and cassette keeping my old X01 front sproket?

I wonder how much the body costs? As someone's going to have painful experience when they snap one of these off, instead of a cheap derailleur hanger 😅

@TeamCykelhold

Жыл бұрын

body? I'd think it uses an XD body.

@Simon-gk9ug

Жыл бұрын

@Team Cykelhold MTB by body I mean the main chassis of the derailleur which also combines the hanger into one piece

@TeamCykelhold

Жыл бұрын

@@Simon-gk9ug it goes directly into the frame where the UHD normally sits. My guess is that it is horribly expensive, but I guess SRAM marketing team is trying to tell you: "Don't worry bro, trust us. Nothing bad will happen".

@Simon-gk9ug

Жыл бұрын

@Team Cykelhold MTB lol it'll just snap the chainstay instead 🤣

I'm kind of surprised more people are pointing this out but this design is highly reliant on the inside and outside faces of the drive-side chain stay being parallel to the wheel and perfectly perpendicular to the axle. If it's not faced properly... basically perfectly... shift performance will be compromised with no good way to fix it.

I get the idea of moving away from the derailleur hanger, but what if you crash hard, hook your derailleur and break your rear triangle before the derailleur? Or is this not possible with current (especially carbon) frames?

@TheNotoriousMIC

Жыл бұрын

You would have to break your rear axel first before it did any damage to your frame and it’s designed to break before your axel would.

@spliiii

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNotoriousMIC so the cage screws into your axle? That’s why when you set it up you shouldn’t tighten the axle completely?

@zaccatlin

Жыл бұрын

@@spliiii The B-bolt goes through the drive side dropout, then the axle threads into the inside of the B-bolt so load is taken by the entire axle, hub and rear triangle as a whole, not just the drive side drop out as it may seem on the outside. The system is not tightened all the way so that you can rotate the derailleur until the chain is tensioned, which essentially sets the B-gap and final derailleur position.

I have UDH frame, with original eagle crankset. When 3rd party manufacturers make a T compatible chain ring will I be able to use it with new T derailleur and cassette or will the chain line be different ? Thanks !

@zaccatlin

Жыл бұрын

Transmission is built around CL55 chain line. You'll need a Dub Wide crank and 3mm offset chain ring to achieve this, then use the SRAM BB compatibility map to figure out what BB and spacing is required for your bikes BB type.

Those shift times are bonkers though, if I had to wait two to 3 seconds before a gnarly downhill section into a steep punchy climb, it seems like you'd possibly lose quite a bit of momentum. Other than that, this system looks really nice.. Prices are a bit crazy though.

I like: the simplicity of the set up, no cables, the looks, the strength. What I don't like: the PRICE, the UDH only option, $100+ chains, slower shifting, over-hyped launch.

Someone correct me if I get this wrong: they say it’s not backwards compatible because of the chain but then sappy the chain is compatible with previous sram parts….. so if I got a new t-type chain and derailleur, it would work? Sounds like they don’t want to admit it’s compatible with older parts and newer chain. This derailleur and chain is about the same as the axs stuff before the discounts no? What am I missing?

Slower shifting is the deal breaker

@MTBActionCam1

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is! Way too slow when you ride in areas that require shifting several gears in a short amount of time.

Must be missing something because I never had an issue with AXS to begin with.

Will it blend?

Why a derailleur withstanding stapping on it is a good advert, while any derailleurs cheaper withstand the same?

Once a year I buy a new SRAM GX derailleur because its beat up and worn out. I dont see myself forking over that money for a part that just doesnt seem to last long enough. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Where can I get that Hex tool.... is what I wanna know.

I have a clarification question on compatibility. So, here is the deal, I have Sram XX1 group-set, but I want to try out new rear derailleur, is it true that I have to purchase Sram XX chain also and my cranks would be compatible with it and the derailleur?

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

t type chain will work with your xx1, but you "can't" use the new derailleur with the old cassette. on our site we have a photo of that setup (transmission derailleur with previous eagle cassette). it technically fits, but the XD cassette body on the previous eagle cassette sticks out by like .5mm and throws all the alignment off, making shifting problematic. additionally, transmission is built around a CL55 chainline, so you'd have to have the proper 3mm dub wide chainring, if you don't already. we only tried previous eagle cassette w/ new derailleur in the bike stand, not under load too, but it seems like it's basically an all-or-nothing situation right now.

Will this work on my & 2021 Santa Cruz Nomad V5 ?..

Does it still slap like a 90’s 3X though?

Hot damn

Waoww🤩🤑🤑

So...old AXS is faster or ?

Bah, why no 34T chainring for the E-bike specifik crank. Thats a bummer :(

''easy to service'', proceeds to put 8 bolts unto the chainring

10:12 PVD just means physical vapor deposition. It says nothing about the coating itself.

Iam so happy i bought a zerode with pinion and dont have to deal with all this shit anymore! keep spending your money on this pricey stuff folks ;)

If I was a Banker I could buy this.

in terms of pricing I think I'll wait for GX

the RD wont break, but your Rear Axle of the carbon frame will brake because the hit impact

I stopped right when I saw the price. =)

What are the crank length options? Hope 165

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

165,170,175

How much for the replacement parts?

So is the clutch finally replaceable ?

@zaccatlin

Жыл бұрын

It is, you can by a new cage assembly which has the clutch assembly built onto the inner plate.

Watched a couple clips on this, but still slightly confused (and that's ok, because I am NOT in the target market for this kind of stuff). Is the big deal about this, that it's basically the AXS system, without the derailleur hanger?? I feel like I'm missing something... On a more practical matter, this is just what the cycling world needs - a new/different standard. I understand staying competitive, I understand marketing (and engineering) fresh and new ideas, but enough has just got to be enough.

@cardiacpa

Жыл бұрын

Pros need a new system to be able to shift under load. This system worked out that problem. For electric bikes, you need to stop pedaling to change gears due to the torque of the motor. Lastly everyone has different budgets. if you have a 15,000 bike this is not unreasonable. If you have 1000 bike this is wayyy too much

Well you didn't subtract the weight of the chain packaging sillies.

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

we weighed the container after - it's 42g, so there's still a difference of 33g between our weight and SRAM's. def surprised the container was 42g tho LOL

damn that shifting looks slow in comparison :O

Sweet Jesus that’s expensive. I don’t live in USA, does tax then go on top?

Give it to whistlin diesel

@zaccatlin

Жыл бұрын

Best comment on this entire thread.

Great breakdown and video! While SKAM continues to make overpriced mediocre components, Shimano and other mech drivetrains are affordable, reliable and better value. SKAM also just suckered a bunch of people to buy their AXS drivetrains a couple months ago by dropping the price by like 40-50%…anticipating the release of the Transmission and NOT making it backwards compatible! What a SKAM! 😂😂😂

@stokedmtb333

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSupermugen and the brakes do suck which is why I use Magura.

@stokedmtb333

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSupermugen Shimano brakes suck. SRAM Code RSC brakes are fawking awesome. Magura just as good but better modulation IMO.

Noooo SRAM adopted iconic “MegaRange” technology just to ditch it on the very next release? 😢😢😢

Crazy expensive. Mtb (money to burn) exactly

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

hahaha money to burn

Just one of those items (not the shifter) costs more than my bike.

Please, no more stepping on the XXSL derailleur, we got it!

Sram xx the " x " mean THE more x's more XPENSIVE

Leaving the deal-breaking attribute till the last part of the video? Hmm... The shift speed is not even remotely acceptable (no pun intended). Looks to me like a product that's dead on arrival.

@vitalmtb

Жыл бұрын

we didn't think it was deal-breaker, but def takes time to get used to and may not be for everyone. we hope there will be an option to program it back to speed of regular axs, but considering the shift-under-load attribute is what sram seems most concerned with, we're not holding our breath.

@trailfork7815

Жыл бұрын

@@vitalmtb still does not make sense at all, it weighs more and shifts slower than the old xx1 and you have a higher chance of snapping your chain without a derailleur hanger! how does that make sense

Hiw can shimano ever keep up with this tech. Absolutely nuts!

@HannyDart

Жыл бұрын

simply by making it affordable 🤷‍♂ real motorsports is getting cheaper than riding bikes lol

@m00nchildblues

Жыл бұрын

Shimano has a cult following that's why👍👍

@trailfork7815

Жыл бұрын

they don't have to that's the beauty of it, still the xtr or even the older xx1 shifts faster and is lighter than this joke

So… even if I did want this, which I don’t because AXS GX is fine, I can’t have it because my old antiquated outdated 2021 Specialized Enduro isn’t UDH compatible.

I don't know who this is made for, but not for me.

Now to wait for the sram diehards to sell off their old XX1 gear at NX prices - thanks SRAM!

Every "review" I have seen up to now consists of standing on the axle .... step lower on to the actual derailleur !!!!! Like many others have mentioned , where are the forces going when you do have that Bang... Magically absorbed ... nope , they are going somewhere !!!

Flattop chain is +5 watts, pass.

Those flat top chain are hot garbage.

The Transmission that kills your Bikeframe. Rofl.

Sorry but calling a rear derailleur indestructible is false advertising.

so you're paying more for a heavier, slower tech? what a joke.

“Indestructible” until you forget to charge it.

Its ridiculous how much money everything in the industry is..its robbery..i can build a dirtbike cheaper..something gotta give

Haha forget it!

try to step on the arm it self please!