What are your thoughts on this futuristic mountain bike drivetrain?

@wilburdesouza

Жыл бұрын

Great, but no gold colored XX SL :( . I smell a limited edition gold version coming that I'll probably have to sell one of my nuts to buy.

@DoctorDefiler

Жыл бұрын

Let's see a torture test.

@hilom2

Жыл бұрын

Expensive!

@BlackgoldTwinduck

Жыл бұрын

now instead of bending/breaking a 15$ hanger now i can break my bike instead but hey atleast the derailleur wont bend, sounds like a win to me

@kristozondagh

Жыл бұрын

Broken carbon frames incoming

New stealth hose angle looks so helpful for bikepacking with a front roll!

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

True that!

I see real engineering here, not just fancy colors. Good job SRAM, that deserves my money.

Yay more models, standards, and proprietary components. I am unsure if this simplifies things or not.

@petesmitt

Жыл бұрын

SRAM simply wants your money.. lots of it.

@topspot4834

Жыл бұрын

@@petesmitt isn't that the point of any business? Not like they're putting a gun to anyone's head

@topspot4834

Жыл бұрын

It's just one of many options, and the udh is pretty clever. I'll reserve judgement though until I see longer term results ... I know they state otherwise and I get the functionality, but I don't see how this doesn't increase the chances of cracking your carbon frame.

Yeah.... we got some plans for this badboy!! Bring on the Titanium.

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Love to hear that 😍

OMG I can’t wait to ride that system

It’s a gravel bike if you say it is! Thanks for the video and yes, brakes will be electronic and hose free in the near future.

I'm a winter biker who uses poagies to keep my hands warm; I am 100% on board for internally routing cable in the handlebars if it means I get a better seal and warmer hands.

@topspot4834

Жыл бұрын

I don't get how the cables being internally routed changes anything though (besides aesthetics). What am I not getting?

@akairborne

Жыл бұрын

@@topspot4834 I'm in Alaska and ride a fat bike during the winter. To keep my hands warm I have poagies over the end of the bars (think really huge, insulated pockets). The cables routed off the brakes create a gap where the poagie seals around the bar allowing wind to come in. Angling the cable towards the bar is a great improvement because it will improve the seal. Internally routing is the best because the seal would be almost air tight.

Just when we thought innovation was going to slow down, boom!

This seems like a game changer. At $2,050 for the XX version, that is quite a bit for a drive terrain groupset.

Ngl as I'm watching your videos I'm thoroughly entertained by you guys! hands down one of my favorite channels.🔥 subscribed!🤙🏻 "that's what she said"🤣🤣🤣🤣

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :)

Man I got out of the bike industry at the right time.

Nice job guys. I am going to be building a new enduro bike and I want this new drivetrain. Shopping with you soon promise.🤘

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support! 🤘

That gear progression update was seriously overdue. Originally tacking on that 52t without changing the jump up from 42t was a petty reaction with half assed effort to compete with Shimano's well thought out 10-51 cassette. And that's coming from a Sram fan. For that reason, I've continued to run the 10-50t eagle cassettes on all my bikes. But better steps on the new cassette may change that in future builds and replacement parts. Hope the new Transmission has a good tight clutch!

@GarrettHMTB

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%. I am also very curious on the new clutch system as well. I currently run a shimano XT chain and cassette with the "old" X01 AXS on my bike, gives the best of both worlds for me. The only thing I hate though is Sram's clutches, they are terrible, super weak. I have had to do so much stuff to my bike to make it quiet & bearable because that weak roller bearing clutch can't hold anything. When you get the derailleur brand new they are actually pretty good, but over time they just become terrible, the one I have on my bike right now, it isn't offering much more than a derailleur without a clutch lol. I live in SoCal so the trails are always rough here, so at least for me a good clutch is a must, I want to hear the trail, not my chain slapping around like crazy. I ran a full Shimano XT group for a while but for some reason I got unlucky with the derailleur and it's like way too stiff and it doesn't shift right. Sram has used that lame roller bearing clutch system forever, definitely glad to see they finally put a different style in there, that new cassette and chain looks awesome too. The flat top chain is the same one they've been using on the etap road bikes for a while now though, nothing new there. But lets be real here, Shimano nailed their 10-51 way before sram did. Shimano has had their 12 speed stuff out since 2019, sram is way late to the game on finally re-doing their cassette.

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

The new clutch is indeed good and tight.

@jamble7k

Жыл бұрын

i think sram just stuck a 50t or 52t on their old 11 speed cassettes honestly it was always super lazy... nice to see them fix that

My $5600 Stumpjumper with Sram Eagle XX1 gold drive train just became obsolete! Thanks a lot, Sram, I can't even sell it for a decent amount now!

@hannes6114

Жыл бұрын

Oh, don't be so fast to judge! I have watched a video by an engineer about it and there are major design flaws. You are fine - maybe less people will be interested in it tho because of all the marketing.

All i needed from this video were the first 15 seconds. SOLD!

I love these videos. Hands down the best presenters in the Mtb industry by a lot.

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much :) That means a lot.

@hifiandmtb

Жыл бұрын

Indeed - my go-to channel for new kit info!

When Jarod said "full pull" my mind went to tractor pulls then bam! Jet powered tractor straight to the face. P.s. that flat top chain looks badass. Whole transmission does.

Finally some brake levers who won't hit the top tube of your XC frame if your slammed handlebars spin during a crash. I chose the Shimano brakes mostly because the lever shape prevents this from happening.

Will it brake my frame if I crash hard? That is what the Hanger was for right? Protect the bike.

@mathis7384

Жыл бұрын

We have moved into a world of consumption

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

The weak points on the derailleur that were designed to be replaced will fail before your chainstay on your bike will.

@LiamL763

Жыл бұрын

@@mathis7384 the "world of consumption" is older than the invention of the bicycle

I have the level stealth ultimate on my new mountain bike and I really like the way that they sit on the handlebars so you can barely notice they’re there

What if it eventually breaks and destroy the frame along with it?

@SirDinksAlot

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Pretty sure that's why the aluminum derailleur hangar was invented in the first place. Hangars were brazed to the frame previously and they would break frames. The SRAM though does "break away" when it smacks something. Lets go and jumps to the granny gear when it gets smacked by a rock, etc.. then resets back. That should help alot. I can say that I've never had to use the hangar alignment tool on my AXS XX1 derailleur. I use it quite often on the CX bike (Di2), and old hardtail (XX 11spd). So maybe it will be ok.

@n.kittleson

Жыл бұрын

I’d be willing to bet SRAM thought about that and in the worst case, they could have implemented the lower cage to bend or break first to protect the derailleur. AXS also has that snap feature where you knock your derailleur and the motor disengages to move and not snap anything. I think breaking this thing is going to take some real serious abuse

@trekkeruss

Жыл бұрын

To me the issue is is that if it gets bent…even if it is unlikely…you cannot replace a relatively inexpensive hanger, you replace an extremely expensive derailleur.

@andrewscasualmtb

Жыл бұрын

​@@trekkeruss Which means more money for sram.

@DaveEPie

Жыл бұрын

Carbon fiber frames seem to be a problem with this derailed. I am sure it will bend way before it would break a aluminum or Ti frame

Love your vids! Wasn't the hanger designed to take the hit for for the frame? Also, how do I not get a hat like that?

This is a game changer.

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Can’t wait for Di2 to come out

I'll watch your reveal because it's you guys, but I'm still a Shimano guy, after 4200+ miles with my XT on my Ripmo I'll let someone else buy one. Cheers gents!

finally, a modern drivetrain. still gonna buy a pinion tho

I like that they are putting in the R and D to improve derailers and standardizing hangers but one thing I worry about is if it takes a really bad hit there's more potential to damage the frame it'll be interesting to see if this is a problem or not. As for the new brakes I'll probably only try them if they come on a new bike and they'll probably only last one ride before I swap them for saints.

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much. It's sad that the only good thing I see here is the change in ratios on the cassette.

@mettflow2648

Жыл бұрын

@@rustler08 the good thing is I ride s-works frames exactly once before selling them

Sweet! Now I have to put some tape on my handlebars to not have the cable rub through the carbon.... progress baby!

great vid guys!! And its there not on brakes YET!!! im hopefull we will be FULLY wire/cable less soon!!! ;) cabless brakes??? Id say hells yah if its possible.. Im already in design phases but dont have much in way of resources.. lmk if ya'll wanna link up.. :)

Don't forget that road bikes have been doing the hole in handle bars so you can route cables through them and into your head tube for some time now. I dont imagine it will be long before you see that come to MTB as well.

@hannes6114

Жыл бұрын

oh no

@jamble7k

Жыл бұрын

it makes sense on road bikes as aero is a big deal, plus road bikes don't see anywhere near the abuse mtb do

@mihaics23

Жыл бұрын

@@jamble7k Exactly

i have never really liked electronic shifters a whole lot, that being said the new derailleur mounting system is pretty smart, hoping this same idea comes to more affordable cable actuated derailleurs too

@ov3rcl0cked

Жыл бұрын

For me it's not even about the price. I just don't want to recharge batteries. I'd love even a high end cable actuated derailleur. I bend my hanger every other week, trying to climb a tricky line and slip off and scrape a rock. I'd love a derailleur that's tucked in more, and doesn't bend super easy.

@HillelSe

Жыл бұрын

this looks to be built on Axs, there area lot of new features that just can't be done without Axs.

@LastAphelion

Жыл бұрын

@@ov3rcl0cked Sounds like that prototype Nikolai is just for you

Good stuff.

amazing!

Do the clutches still absolutely freaking suck?!

@johnhouston8297

Жыл бұрын

That was my first wonder...

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

The clutches are miles ahead of the previous AXS derailleur clutches. The transmission equipped bikes that we've ridden are super quiet.

YESSS. Give me full internal cable routing in the bars!!

Jeff cut his hair???? 😮 Oh yeah, and I guess SRAM introduced some new stuff. Also: Shimano were a generation behind on MTB wireless shifters, and now they're TWO generations behind. They better introduce an XTR and XT Di2 within the next few weeks, cos otherwise SRAM are going to eat their lunch! And probably dinner too. I mean, even GRX has a Di2 option, for Pete's sake!

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Jeff's haircuts are always big news. 😆

You guys are dorky awesome

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Thanks :)

Awesome...now I can have brake cable rub/rattle against my carbon bars. 🙄

Man i feel like going for a ride spontanously ... oh wait my transmission battery i forgot to charge after the last ride. Sits back on couch. 😂😂😂

Nice, now we can shift under load!

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

Big time.

@docmccoy9813

Жыл бұрын

@@WorldwideCyclery Those milliseconds gained will change my life

The real question is, XO, XX, or XXSL…Jeff which one do you wear I mean use on your bike?

Awesome :)

@hannes6114

Жыл бұрын

I would wait to judge

Great proof of outstanding German engineering ❤

Does it mean gx axs will be cheaper?

@ichewtoast111

Жыл бұрын

no.

I don’t know if that lower jockey is madness or genius…🧐

This is amazing- I don't care about much else other than the no adjustments needed for the derailleur. The only bad thing about my AXS is the adjustments- it gets out of whack on rowdy trails and it's really annoying. I would buy the new derailleur in a heartbeat, but it's not backwards compatible. Maybe I'll see the prices and make the switch regardless...we'll see.

@MiserereMei

Жыл бұрын

If the B screw loses its adjustment, might some locktite help?

@georgeforeman89

Жыл бұрын

@@MiserereMei I've done that, and it did help, but still needs adjusting once on a while.

@weathdone

Жыл бұрын

@@MiserereMei annoying how it even happens.. for the money we spend on this stuff those type things SHOULD NOT happen period

@MiserereMei

Жыл бұрын

@@weathdone, yeah, that's true.

@georgeforeman89

Жыл бұрын

@@weathdone agreed. I do love my GX AXS though

I've clipped trees and broke rear derailleurs even with hangars so I'm just glad for tougher tech! But then again that was shimano xt I'm finding sram xo1 waaay tougher.

5:48 Kind of something you have to ride to believe and it costs as much as $2699 🤑

Wow. I was not expecting this from sram. The udh was a 200 iq play on their part. So many bikes use the udh nowadays, even boutique one offs. No limit screws or b tension is amazing as well. I was honestly expecting this new drivetrain to be 13 speed like ekar. I was wrong. I could care less about the brakes. I think changing the angle of the hose makes the lever body look weird.

@BrandonMeyer1641

Жыл бұрын

@suleimanabdullahi6998 lmao work out the issue with your username first before you try to scam.

That stealth setup would be ideal for the brush bashing that I find myself doing on most of my rides. I'm always snagging brake levers and cables on branches. And you guys are overthinking the appearance, as usual. Remember, form follows function.

Not gonna lie... it's all pretty cool. I think the crank arm finish looks cheap, gloss black and block script doesn't SCREAM premium, but that transmission shifter looks bad ass. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone with existing AXS is going to rush out and buy these parts, but there will be some pretty sick OEM builds coming soon that feature this stuff. Unfortunately, that also probably means MORE rising bike costs.

I got very excited about this.. until I saw that the cassette costs even more than the derailleur itself. $720 for the XX SL cassette and $180 chain! Insane consumable prices. Even the cheapest XO variants are $480 and $120 respectively. I would have paid up for the deraullier but not the annual fee that comes with it. It's a shame because I love the look and I love the new features.

finally a new standard

Is there still a guide brake or is it replaced by the level 4 piston

Which Sram crank boots fit the new XO Transmission crank arms? Can you list the exact part number, please? Thanks, love the vids!

wow srammmmm

Isn’t the hanger an emergency stress point? Allowing stress to impact it vs the frame? Would this make more frames getting bent vs the derailleur?

@Milessongs

Жыл бұрын

...Or broken? (carbon)

@docmccoy9813

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the idea is dumb as f***, but, to me, also a 10-52 cassette is dumb and people buy it, so...

@docmccoy9813

Жыл бұрын

@@Milessongs That's the prize to pay for "be able to change under load" jeez

@derek2gloves

Жыл бұрын

Derailleur hangers bend so your frame doesn't. I guess if you're paying $650 just for a rear derailleur you don't really care if need to buy an entire new frame though 😂

@bebopman5

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but if you modify the structure of the derailleur and switch of the stress points, it won't be an issue. If you don't know what I said, neither do I, lol. BUT the Fanatik channel did a test with the new SRAM X0 and it's as durable as possible (for what can be tested in a lab).

so what do I need for a whole new shifting setup? cassette, derailleur hanger + shifter ? and an new rim aswell? Because of the wider inner part. Didn't see any infos / close ups on that.

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

If your rear hub already has an XD driver and your bike has a UDH, you can buy the 5 piece group and you'll be good (shifter, derailleur, cassette, chain, cranks) and unfortunately they are only available in the kits right now.

Will it work with Cane Creek eewings (assuming specific chain ring)? Or does this force us to buy the package with the cranks as well?

@finn1613

Жыл бұрын

You can buy the parts seperately

when you fall you are gonna break your frame now , very good design.

I'm more intrigued with the gearbox drive train belt drive. Sram did a good job though but the tech using derailleur is just old tech to me.

@TheMachoGabacho

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I’m just waiting for Pinion to make a better shifter than the twist one they currently use. Then I’ll be buying a new mountain bike and a new road bike with belt drives.

If there's no B screw and no H or L screw, what am I going to blame when I mess up????

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

😆

Hi guys, how about compatibility with the old SRAM axs? Let’s say adding new cassette and rear derailleur with the old eagle?

@Stockfish1511

Жыл бұрын

Its not compatible with older sram.

Will the new tighter cassette spacing work with the older xx1 axs?

I think the future is going to be an ultra slim wireless CVT bike transmission mounted to the rear wheel. No need for a chain slapping around hitting your rear triangle or a 12 piece cassette and a hanger/chain tensioner…

Can you shift to new zealand, it will fit on my santa cruz megatower 2021?

What’s the price breakdown for the new system?

Will the new shifter pad be compatible with the old axs set ups?

@timford6513

Жыл бұрын

Yep!

If I had any money... take it take it all 😆

Can it mount to a bike that needs a non UDH derailleur or are we soon to be screwed?

Are the stealths basically the same as the code rcs? Just the streamline handlebar setup?

Please tell me that it is compatible with SRAM Red Axs chain rings and shifters. I have a specialized crux with a UDH hanger and want to set this up with as a mullet!!!! But wound need a 40-44 tooth chain ring up front. Will that work??? Please say yes or if not do they offer a bigger chain rings with the eagle xx SL? Very excited about this possibility!

Still no bleed nipple on the caliper. The only options for me are Hope and Shimano. 5 minute bleeds with discs and pads on, no mess whatsoever. Magura, TRP, Sram, Hayes : add a d@mn bleed nipple to your brakes! I think I would get the X0 derailleur, cassette and chain, but only if it works with an oval front. Would this work at all with a narrow-wide chain-ring? I am not taking my 5dev cranks off my bike :)

Is the lower jockey wheel compatible with older 12 speed derailleurs?

Review Trickstuff breaks please...

Seems like the new Shimano and SRAM drivetrains are really focusing on “E-Bike” capable strength and durability. I guess e-bikes have benefited analog riders too 🤔

Im not worried about the derailleur ... What about the carbon frame 🫣

@docmccoy9813

Жыл бұрын

Well, those derailleurs are not cheap either

I'll be honest with you this SRAM Eagle new tech should be paired with Stainless Steel frames and Titanium Frames but aluminum and Carbon I wouldn't consider.

Can I just get the derailleur and wireless shifter, or do I need the whole setup with the cassette and chain too?

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

For now, like how SRAM has done in the past, you'll need to get the whole kit. Time will tell when individual parts will be available.

Ok, let me know when they invent wireless brakes. I will buy whole groupset then:)))

I was hoping to buy the new Codes, but I don’t think you can get clean hose routing with UK/moto brake setup. Especially with routing like my Santa Cruz where you have to take the left/rear brake in on the left side of the frame. Might be okay if you can take it across the headtube to the right side/drive side, but haven’t we be told to leave a big enough loop incase of a crash to allow the bars to rotate and not rip you hoses out. Doesn’t seem possible with this hose angle.

Thought I was watching a young Ron Jeremy for a minute.

How difficult will it be to change out a rear tire trailside with detachable deraileur???

@edendriga23

Жыл бұрын

@ᴛᴇ𝘅ᴛ ᴍᴇ 𝟭𝟵𝟱𝟭𝟯𝟱𝟲𝟲𝟵𝟮𝟴 Would love a Monumental New SRAM Drivetrain...

I would love that of there is a wired version..guess its just me not wanting those electonics..

Its not "break the derailleur" its breaking the whole damn frame or break the whole rear triangle completely, the derailleur is much cheaper to replace than a whole frame that is the purpose of the RD hanger in the first place. In short the new RD of Sram just evolutionize it just BACK WARDS

I love the rear mech, absolutely do. Lets say you already have AXS on your bike. Could you just swap out the rear mech and pair your old shifter to the new mech ?

@GokkunGuru

Жыл бұрын

Old AXS controller is forward compatible.

After watching Peak Torque's review, I realized that there might be some downsides to this new design. Key points from his review is- 1. Not having a hangar means that all the force of impacts will be transferred to your dropouts and rear triangle, thus risking damage to carbon dropouts. 2. Shift performance might vary from one bike to another, since different manufacturers use different tolerances and they don't all have perfectly aligned dropouts. With traditional hangars, you can use an alignment tool to get things straightened out. 3. That serrated washer that sits against the dropout is going to chew into your carbon dropout.

Very curious about those code brakes. I wonder if they’re better than the last model because the last model felt like it never stopped pulling into the bar.

❤

🤯

Looks like a great system....especially fir my eBike! I just find it so hard to believe you can shift under full load and use full power that actually shift better than a pedal bike.....Wow is it pricey ....do you have to use their expensive chain? I like their innovation for sure and have been using a full XX1 Drive train since I got my new eBike over a year and a half ago....I love SRAM's drive train stuff but don't care for their brakes one bit...I'm a Hope Brakes guy, I like their design, their operation and how they work all while being adjustable on the fly!

how would the stealth silver compare to the older rsc's

Will this "transmission" be available with cable operation for those of us that dont want to rely on a battery?

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

That would be amazing, although unlikely.

Well damn it take my money

i wonder if you can get the benefit of being able to shift under load by only buying the cassette and chain and running the old AXS mech?

@hannes6114

Жыл бұрын

The new one is much stiffer and therefore should be able to withstand that force whereas the previous ones might not. Still I wouldn't buy it for shifting under load

Does the deraileur come off every time you remove the rear wheel?

@buckroger6456

Жыл бұрын

I believe it actually has two mounting points. One is the main part that the rear axle runs through and the second is the one that holds it in place when you take the wheel off, by using the derailleur hanger mount.

So what happens if your derailluer drop out on the frame is not perpendicular to your axel. With no hanger adjustment, bike will never shift properly

To confirm this is still compatible with Rival, Force and Red right?

Any bikes already available with the new stuff? In the market for new XC machine

@WorldwideCyclery

Жыл бұрын

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