What's the lightest feeling brake lever that you've tried? 👇

@matrixracing8268

3 ай бұрын

Hayes Dominion A4, got them yesterday actually and so far they are by far better than any Shimano lever I have tried also loads more power.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Those might be the next test... 👀

@matrixracing8268

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone Totally worth it especially if you get the Limited Purple like I did.

@SpencerBaum

3 ай бұрын

Ridden RSCs, TRP DHR Evos, shimano XT, SLX, and deores and the lightest brakes I've ridden by far are the Hayes Dominion A4s. The have been fantastic for me and I've currently got my set on my ragley hardtail

@andrewsiasparks

3 ай бұрын

Shimano saint. That being said I have a question that's burning a hole in me. Is each of the 4 caliper screws hollow for fluid transfer or just two? Or even maybe none and transfer ports?... Would be good to know

NONE of the big, professional review sites caught this obvious problem. And not only did you catch it, but you provided some relatively hard data to back it up. Nice work!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I believe that the red site mentioned that they felt the levers were "of a similar stiffness to codes, maybe a touch stiffer", or something to that effect. I guess it's harder to be objective when the product comes from one of your biggest advertisers...

@daltonknapton

3 ай бұрын

I think the Lost Co mentioned in their video that there definitely is more of pressure threshold needed to start moving the lever.

@downhillupside

3 ай бұрын

@@daltonknapton Lost Co are good dudes

@MarkusFinholt

3 ай бұрын

They want to keep getting sent items for reviews so they can make more money. Almost all reviews are shills.

@BasicBodThor

3 ай бұрын

Most big name reviews mention it, but don't go into detail...the most I've heard was that it's "more than the Code's" but that it shouldn't be an issue (I think that was PB)

Refreshing to see an honest non brand backed review which doesn't just buy into the industry hype and tells us the real world view of a product. It's a hard thing to go against what your "supposed" to say about a product when it turns out it not the case. Thanks for being brave enough to give us the truth. Respect.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

That was the goal. 🙂 There are a lot of great things that I really do enjoy about these brakes, just not enough to overlook their critical flaw.

@robertmcfadyen9156

3 ай бұрын

​@@DaleStoneThere are a few flaws though .

@robertmcfadyen9156

3 ай бұрын

Ergonomics is a major one .

@alexbiketester

3 ай бұрын

It's a fair point of view he has and a few other testers have confirmed what dale has found.

@Durwood71

3 ай бұрын

Since when did "honest" become a synonym for "negative"? Why can't a positive review of these brakes also be honest?

Dale and the MT520s is what the people need

@RiderBlitz1.0

3 ай бұрын

How much the cost?

@rpiian

3 ай бұрын

@@RiderBlitz1.0Got my 520s for less than $100 per wheel.

@grloiselle53

2 ай бұрын

​@@RiderBlitz1.0 a million bucks

@billbobaggins468

2 ай бұрын

if only they could fix the wandering bite point

@DaleStone

2 ай бұрын

My 520s have never wandered, neither have my partner's.

I always appreciate your reviews, they are way more detailed and "grounded" than others. So please keep it going, it's so refreshing :)

Just installed these on my xl slash, absolutely love them! At 205lbs and a hack of a rider, these have saved my butt a few times already. I used to drag my brakes due to the lack of power and inability to stop me when I needed. With the huge power of the mavens I find that I can relax more and focus on being fast and loose, and have less hand fatigue as a result. I find every thing about them to be just right. I can understand where these might be to much for lighter smaller riders, but they were exactly what I needed.

@DaleStone

18 күн бұрын

That's awesome! I'm glad the Mavens exist for riders just like yourself. There really aren't many great options out there yet. 🙂

@NicholasBatten-cl7qw

12 күн бұрын

I’ve noticed the same thing. With the mavens I’ve had the least amount of hand fatigue out of all of the other brakes I’ve ran (codes, saints, mt7). Zero complaints as well.

Great review! It’s amazing how much difference rotor size makes. I just went from older 200mm SRAM rotors to 220mm HS2 on my codes and it’s night and day difference, they feel perfect.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

In terms of power delivery, absolutely. Sadly that won't affect the dead stroke lever force here though.

I just did the same test on my bike to roughly see how my Hope Tech 4 E4 brakes compare. The lever started moving at 170g and the pads contacted the rotor at 220g. This is definitely one of the reasons why I love these brakes, my hands haven't hurt from braking since I got them. They also look way nicer than the Mavens!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

170g is very good at that price, wow!

so cool to see how much passion you put in your vids

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad it comes through! 😊

I upgraded the SRAM Code R's (which are garbage) that came on my Santa Cruz Heckler to these brakes. I was concerned having seen this video beforehand, too. But I did not notice any initial stiffness in the levers. What I did notice is way more bite, way more feel, and way less required input. Massive, massive improvement. Listen, if you're a 145lb waif with bitchfingers, you probably don't need these in the first place. But to the other enduro thickbois out there pushin' 2-3 bills, these are an excellent choice.

I really appreciate your real review on the brakes, so many others only talk about the marketing stats. Also you destroyed those trails people have no idea👊🔥🔥

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

It's like people who review cameras, you can't trust them unless they show the quality of the photos that they take!

great review! you know your mechanics and it shows, i'm very impressed, you really cut through the bs. I have seen a lot of brake reviews, and they usally lack a lot in technical rigour. My lifetime problem is that since i cant ride all year long, my hands are weak, and fatigue a lot, so what i need is brakes that give a high ratio between disc byte force and finger/lever force, but i had never realized that the stiffnes of the free stroke was also something to be taken into account.

Ha, the engineer in you really came out in this one! When I started riding back in 2020, I remember being most shocked by the hand pump and fatigue I experienced when first hitting legitimate MTB trails. Now of course, that was probably due to the death grip I had on my bars but, that aside, it was a highly unpleasant feeling and one which I’m glad I don’t experience often anymore (sustained descents notwithstanding). There’s no way I’d want to purchase and/or use brakes that made that feeling more likely. Nice review, and probably your best of the three so far. Too bad the brakes didn’t live up to your hopes and expectations. Btw, 225 comments after just three hours? Nice!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Nick, and I agree! I'll take any assistance I can get when it comes to reducing rider fatigue. Who wouldn't want to ride faster, further and for longer???

@douglasking1520

3 ай бұрын

I'm sure BikeYoke or Problem Solvers will have something to make Shimano/SRAM compatibility work. I run M8120's with a BikeYoke adaptor for a SRAM X01 shifter.

This is the best and most precise review I've seen on the Maven, amazing job brother, you just got a new sub

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

We'll have to link up for some rides if we find our gang out east this year! 🤘🏻

@FreerideQuebec

3 ай бұрын

Gimme a shout if you wanna discover Quebec's area at some point mate, I know a bit of the area including SDM, E47, MSA and I'll gladly shown around @@DaleStone

Thanks Dale. Been enjoying the reviews so far 👍

Thank you for this honest and well-explained review. This was not what I expected at all!!

Excellent review. Went through 3 other videos before yours and was irritated by all of them for total lack of objective real world experience. You delivered above and beyond. Thank you. Subscribed!

I was considering getting a set of the silver series Mavens to replace my Code R brakes, I’m glad I decided to hold off. I definitely want a lighter lever feel on initial pull. Hayes is at the top of my list currently.

@pizzapie4me

2 ай бұрын

Can't go wrong with Hayes. Amazing value for the best brake ever made.

Nice to see you in front of the camera! You seem to be a natural presenter/reviewer! This was one of the best and honest mtb gear reviews i have seen. Please post more of this in the future.

Dude your reviews are so great. Keep them up!

Brake modulation is the ability to precisely and accurately control the amount of clamp force on a rotor (or rim, which in some ways is just a big rotor, anyway) with a given amount of lever input.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Yep, indicated by the slope or derivative of the force graph I showed. 🙂

The content has been absolutely amazing recently. Keep it up, I’m loving it 🫡👍

Great review. I’m currently on the Hope Tech4 V4 and love those brakes. Perfect combination of lever power input / braking power. Quite a difference from the previous generation.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

How did the V3s feel in comparison?

@sonimakarovic6412

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone less powerful but still very consistent. Had a pair that went thru 3 bikes with zero issues.

@xColter

3 ай бұрын

Good to know, I've been thinking of buying some v4s

@Will-ub8od

2 ай бұрын

The Tech 4 just improves everything on the Tech 3. The feeling is better, the modulation is better, and the power is stronger. I didn't think there would be much difference, I went from both Tech 3 E4, and Tech 3 V4s, on to Tech 4 E4s and Tech 4 V4s, I couldn't believe the new Tech 4 was so much better. ​@@DaleStone

@Chambers36TheEnter

2 ай бұрын

A big plus for the Hope it's that you don't need any syringes to bleed them.

Really refreshing review style. There you go Dale!

Absolutely loved this video! Excellent work!

Great review. The lack of compatibility with Shimano parts is particularly valuable information and something I haven't seen any other outlet mention. A more on off feeling brake might be the original Saints. The current Saints have been around for a long time now, but if you ever have a chance to try the originals I'm sure you'll be amazed that a Shimano brake ever felt like that. I'd love for you to review Hayes Dominions and Formula Cura brakes next. Those in addition to some TRPs will round out your brake spreadsheet.

It’s funny cause I’ve used sram guides for a while and that “lever feel” is exactly why I upgraded to magura mt7s, no longer is the first thing pulling me off trail my hands.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, and same.

@occasionalshredder

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStoneif they release some solid levers I don't doubt they'll be made a top selling brake of all time.

@TimInertiatic

2 ай бұрын

His review made me realise why I really dislike SRAM brakes (that and the crap bleed system and poor build quality). My bike came with Guides and I can't justify the spend on better alternatives at the mo annoyingly

I was looking to buying the maven and I normally take reviews like this with a grain of salt but I’ve seen many of your videos and I know what a good rider you are and I trust your judgment. I run Magura on both my ebike and regular bike I will stick with what works.Thanks and great video 👍

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

If you trust those who leave comments, it sounds like Hayes is worth some research!

@BH-cy9tb

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone Hayes look great but I don’t like using dot rather use mineral oil.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

@@BH-cy9tb same... 🥲

a very insightful and unbiased review, unlike reviews you may find on the major mtb news platforms. love it!

This is the most direct, straight to the point review I have ever seen.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad you think that despite the 30 minute length. 😁

@solomtb5547

11 күн бұрын

minus the huge shimano fanboyness

@DaleStone

11 күн бұрын

@@solomtb5547 [citation required], I ride Intend. 😉

@jacoblee3425

11 күн бұрын

@@solomtb5547 it’s a good product 🤷‍♂️

I’ve watched a few of your videos but this one earned my subscription! Really well done and I appreciated your objectivity. I’m not a SRAM guy but I’m not a hater either. I’m glad to see what my initial thoughts on this brake were probably right. As I get older I’m learning not to buy into the hype and really focus on what’s going to improve my riding experience based on what I’m actually doing. I plan on upgrading my brakes. as much as I’d love a super high end bling brake setup simply swapping my front SLX 2-pot for a 4-pot caliper for $100 or less will be more then enough for my trail riding. Also shout out IMBY Bikes. Those guys built my wheelset back in Sept and they delivered an absolute masterpiece!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I'm definitely also not a SRAM guy, but I'm a customer rooting for more competition (and therefore choice) within the industry. 🙂

Love the honest review and the well thought and reproducible experiment on the brakes. If there is one thing I hate the most in my life is superficiality and marketing gimmick is among the greatest contributors of it.

Super helpful. Hand fatigue on a steep, technical downhill is one of the single biggest detriments to a good a ride and prolonged stress on hands has longer term impact.

Shimano brakes just feel so damn good.

Nice work! Since now I found only articles using probably print release, because wording was so similar, this is the first real test :) Still waiting for MT7s video :)

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Soon-ish™

@lukasvrana6388

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone :D

Exactly, I’m pretty light so most high end 4pieton brakes are enough for me so the only thing I look for is a light lever feel

GREAT review! Surprised about the compatibility issues

I’ve put a few rides on my new Mavens and I could not be happier with them. The pull force seems quite easy to me and love the feel. The lever pull may not be to your liking, but to the lengths you went to emphasize your point seems excessive.

@DaleStone

2 ай бұрын

My main issue isn't so much the product, but rather the misleading marketing. Without that this video would've been half the length for sure!

@martinfield7610

2 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone Wait, what? Did you just say that? Your channel reviews products, and you just stated that your 30 minute video “isn’t so much about the product, but rather the misleading marketing “. Then why make the video? I am interested in honest product reviews, not bias stemming from ill received marketing campaigns.

@DaleStone

2 ай бұрын

A quick look at my channel would show you that product reviews are a small subset of what I do. And absolutely. A product should be reviewed against: a) it's competition, and b) the claims of the manufacturer. Nothing about the scoring section was influenced by the latter. But it's a very important point that warrants addressing. And in the end, it's all about the product. Hard to be more honest than that really!

New favourite KZreadr this review was 10/10!

High quality review 🔥Looking forward to see your review of the Hope brakes...

AAAA brake set LOL.

SRAM brakes don't really scream premium quality product to me. The levers are HUGE and things like the lever blade look very cheaply made, are the pistons still made of plastic? I have stripped enough of those levers and repaired them, especially the ones with that dial adjuster, they don't to last all that long. Then there's the caliper which is still a 2 piece caliper whilst most other big manufactures will have at least some monoblock options (apart from Shimano?). They just seem a bit dated.

Even if the Intend and SRAM brakes are not on my bucket list because of the outerspace prices, your videos are so well made and entertaining. Awesome, just as watch your riding only videos.

Nice and honest review. Great job!

Great review! Much better and honest than on mainstream media!!! Greetings from UK?

Would love to see you review Shimgura brakes. Keep up the awesome work.

I love my Hayes Dominion light lever feel and best lever I have felt personally,and lots of power and modulation

Really well done. Your deep dive on the stiff lever vs fatigue was excellent. As a certified big boy (currently 280lbs) I am always interested in more power but given my decidedly amateur skill level, sounds like these might not be the ones for me.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

If you can handle the stiff levers they might even be a good choice for you, as it's unlikely you'll be able to fade or overheat them!

@S.W.W

3 ай бұрын

I beg to differ fellow Clydesdale. I’m 240 and have been using the Ultimate Experts for 3 rides now and I think they are excellent. I did a big ride in Cumberland the first day on them and found them very responses. I barely had to pull the lever to get the bite I desired. The ‘stiff’ lever feel didn’t translate to hand fatigue. I found once past the initial stiff pull the levers felt better than codes. Personally, Dale is a light weight. These brakes weren’t designed for his body type and hand strength if he feels they fatigue him that quickly. I 100% disagree with his entire review and recommend these for heavier riders with heavier bikes.

A very comprehensive video Dale. I've never ridden brakes other than SRAM Codes (they have just been the stock brakes on bikes I've had), but have always found myself with hand fatigue. I knew it was because I was just on the brakes more than I should, but not being the most skilled it's what I deal with haha. Interested to try a different brand...maybe Hayes and see if that makes a difference.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I'm not going to claim that'll solve all of your fatigue, but it is a very positive step in the right direction! 🙂

Love the Apple comparison that's exactly the way their going! Everything the same but serial serialed next

Hayes Dominion has some of the lightest lever feel on the market. My go to brake!🤩

@BuffiestFluff

3 ай бұрын

They're probably what ill put on my arrival in june

@user-xu4yw7cr4x

3 ай бұрын

Подтверждаю

@merinpearce3116

3 ай бұрын

I’ve tried and raced every brake (but the maven) and the Dominions are my favourite brake. Lots of power, light levers, shockingly low maintenance. I’m blown away by them and shocked more people don’t ride them

@danrieth9850

3 ай бұрын

I would love to see the dominions in this test

Hope Tech 4 E4 is still the best trail/enduro/DH brake on the market. Lightest lever feel with incredibly predictable power. I’m hooked. Great review!

Great, in depth review. Thanks.

Just discovered your channel! Amazing review.

What a brilliant assessment. Thankyou.

I'm enjoying these reviews! while perhaps a bit less exciting, I'd quite like to hear your thoughts on the sram db8s, especially how they stack up to other more budget brakes. regardless, loving the content 🤙

hi Dale love the vids, the format is great, and the amount of technical knowhow you have is just wow. would it be possible to do a review of the MT8 Sl from Magura?

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Isn't that their 2 piston brake? Might not be best suited for my backyard haha. The MT7 review will be up someday though!

This is a fantastic combination of personal feel opinion and actual testing. Nice work!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

This is why I always buy Hope E4 brakes: DOT Fluid, single piece calliper, easy to bleed levers and mounting for all types of shifters, plus they look amazing

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I would argue you on DOT being a plus, but otherwise they seem to have quite a positive reputation in this comment section!

I saw another reviewer saying they had a stiff initial pull bias, I am sure someone will offer a rebuild kit for the lever to provide lighter pull. Another great review, thanks again.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Whoever does that first will have a very solid product, let's see!

Probably the best review on them I´ve seen. I wonder if the fatigue is significant for someon bigger. As a 130 kg heavy guy I am looking for a better brakes that will last me through rough descents. Right now I´m on sram guide R2 which are not bad, fatigue in finger doesn´t bother me, but the power does. I don´t know if I even need this much power, but it´s always to have more then you need then less when it comes to stopping. If I weighted less i wouldn´t even think about these, because seriously you will just lock your wheels without having force down on ground to stop you, or just not use their potencial.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like you're probably strong enough to handle these haha. I do enjoy the on-off power at my weight though! 🙂

@advocatusdiaboli9909

3 ай бұрын

I am also that heavy and look forward to trying the Mavens. Both Shimano and Codes do not have enough stopping power for my riding

@S.W.W

3 ай бұрын

I am 240 and own the Mavens. Best brake I’ve ever used in all aspects. No hand fatigue on long descents. I’m highly recommend them for big guys and can see why they don’t suit smaller fella’s.

This is a great video man. I just got a set to replace my Hope Tech 4 V4's. Hopes were great but were always hard to bleed right, let alone get a fresh bleed feel to last more than a couple weeks. I could tell from the box that I was going to struggle with the lever feel/stiffness. Hoping it goes ok. I hope the power and consistency/reliability will outweigh the lever feel but only time will tell.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

If you're strong enough to tame them then I have no doubt they'll perform!

What the heck.. The next review already? Nice man, this channel keeps getting better and better. Nice changes and wise choises Dale!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Been a busy week putting this one together haha, but if I have the motivation... 🚀📈🌚

@sprousaTM

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone Impressed by the quality! Not often do I watch without skipping through the clip. Btw, Hope Tech4s do also only need a very low initial force to be required to move the lever. Maybe a test in the future! ;)

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

They're on the short list for sure, I just wish they weren't DOT! 🥲

@sprousaTM

3 ай бұрын

@one Yes, that's right. Nothing a pair of gloves and some towels around the handlebar cannot handle :P I run 3 on my bikes and while the bleeding process is kind of annoying, they have been flawless since then. They strike into a perfect price point. I do not see how those mavens are competitive to Hope Tech4 V4s. They are identical in cost, but just the machining of the Hopes (just like the Trinity) and overall quality is on another level. In my opinion just the levers alone just look cheap :( Almost like the body is cast alloy of some sort. Which it probably is :D

Thank you! That is one excellent review.

Good, honest review, thanks. I've watched other reviews and they mentioned the hard lever pull but very quickly. No offense to any of them but most make money off Sram and don't want to upset their sales and advertising dollars.

That title had me rubbing my hands together and heating up the popcorn! Edit: It's completely warranted IMO. You can't get more objective than that test. However, I would like to see more of them tested to see if it's a one off (very improbable). Great review mate. I appreciate your thoughts on these.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

They could definitely be a lemon, or from a defective batch. Will see what SRAM has to say, but for now they must go back!

@ericzingeler7140

3 ай бұрын

Well, not totally objective. He typically rides Shimano and “SRAM is trying to be the Apple of the bike industry.”

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I've disclosed my biases and they did not affect the scoring. Does that mean that someone who rides SRAM brakes on their personal bike is incapable of reviewing other brands objectively? 🤔

It's surprising results I found the DB8's to have a very light lever action the most force needed being at the end of the stroke, I really enjoy these brakes with ceramic pads but I had a very hard time bleeding the rear after cutting the line, I ditched sram push-pull procedure for forced through the rear with a syringe into a funnel. Sounds nasty 😂

Thank you for objective videos! I really like how you use lower half of a rating spectrum. Very rare indeed! What is a brake set with the most reliable pad/rotor gap you experienced? - I have unsatisfactory experience with all hydraulic brakes I owned. I stopped caring about lever feel, and I use 200mm rotors for stopping power. All I hope for is reliability and as little rotor rub as possible.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

So far I'd say intend, they've really done a great job with their (admittedly quite expensive) Trinity.

Amazing information. Thanks you for such detailed any useful information

Loving these brake reviews! You should try the Hayes Dominion A4s and the trp dhr Evos if you get the chance. I currently own both brakes (I've also got freedom coast levers on my trps which make them even better) and love both of them for different reasons!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Dominions are on order, and TRPs are on the list at some point!

@SpencerBaum

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone can't wait for the Dominion review! If you do get the trps, I hated the stock levers, so if you feel the same, it's worth looking into aftermarket options such as freedom coast

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

@@SpencerBaum Dave had the same feedback funny enough, but first I must review the as-intended product! 😉

@FOTB407

3 ай бұрын

I would also like to see what he thinks abt the DHRs vs the intends. DHRs def need a pair of aftermarket levers (oak TRL or freedomcoast) to compare tho.

@SpencerBaum

3 ай бұрын

​@@DaleStonesorry to keep bugging you with comments, but if you have the time it would be interesting to see a review comparing different metallic pads from different companies on a given brake (such as Stock pads VS MTX VS Galfer, VS Trickstuff...)

I really liked how you used scientific principles like 'repeatability' of the experiment you did. That's why science is science - repeatability and observation. I'm curious if you did this exercise more than one time to see what would happen if you kept repeating the experiment. That said, I can't believe my 10 year old Saint brakes are still my favorite brake EVER.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

In order to get this review out within a week of the Maven's launch I had to forgo repeating the entire experiment. Onto the next shiny thing! 😆🙈

Finally a honest review! Thanks a lot! The test with the dead stroke is fine but a setup with different leaver forces as input and wheel torque as output would be ideal.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I fully agree, and pledge to get the equipment to do so once I'm rich. 🙈

Awesome video Dale!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Adam!

Wolftooth has an mmx to ISPEC EV adaptor - I runs Codes with Shimano shifting. I have trail builder hands so the codes do not bug me. Thanks for the review - others have mentioned but not highlighted this issue.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Yep, and if I was to keep these brakes for a while I'd definitely buy one. Thanks for your work Doug!

@dougdewar7896

3 ай бұрын

If your Gang ever comes to Penticton - we can give you the royal tour, Diamond Flow Jank@@DaleStone

Awesome video mate.

i ended up on cascade north forks with the cascade cams in sept and as a 235lb rider cant recommend enough. yeah expensive but theres a reason i drive a 20 year old van. people seem to love the hayes and hopetechs.

Great review Dale. I had a set of these in my hands today. The calipers are epically big. and... it's 4.5126 N of force for the Shimanos 🙂

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Haha, this is the brake that the riders of St Helena surely demand! 😂 And yes... a slight misnomer on that one. First to call me out.

@WRXDannyW

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone if you weren’t an engineer I would have not said anything.

Great review ! Nice to hear the good and the bad of a product. The caliper reminds me of the Van Halen album cover The Best of Both Worlds :)

Very good and thorough review 🤗👍

Very good review. Thank you

I like honest reviews. So I subscribed.

Love it, well done. As these are fatiguing it's a no from me. But not being able to remove the pads from the top, was off putting.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

It's funny, I don't mind that too much but it seems to be a community sticking point haha.

Great review Dale. Would like to see you review the Formula Cura. I have been running thr 2 piston for a few years now and like them, thinking of getting a set of 4 for my Psychosis dh build.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I've tried a pair of Cura 4s a few times in parking lots, and recall that they had a stiffer-than-average free stroke too. But the only way to really know is to give them a proper test, especially if you're saying they're Psychosis worthy!

@shirk15

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone I will have to measure the force like you did for my Cura 2 pots. Riding they don't feel stuff, before these I ran Magura for many years.

Luv the videos Dale. One recommendation for brake testing is to bed the brakes in on a road first. The trail bedding has too much variability and the weight shifting on the trail causes uneven bedding.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Good idea. I don't think I'd ever be able to glaze pads at my weight, but you're probably right that they could bed in unevenly, especially if they're not manufactured with adequate flatness/parallelism.

@viperrules24

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone I find that wetting pads with water and trying to bed in on a slight incline helps a lot. This works really well with stock pad compounds from both SRAM and Shimano. Other aftermarkets pads take a few more runs. But overall wetting the pads decreases the time to bed in quite significantly!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

@@viperrules24 I'd love to understand the science behind why this is the case.

@viperrules24

3 ай бұрын

@@DaleStone trust me bro

Before I watch, I don’t mind the DB eights at their price point but I can only imagine how good these are considering most of other sram break options. XT for pots are the way I go and I’ve never let me down.

Thanks, great review for the punters.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Whoa, thanks so much for the support! 😀

That hand shake at the end was way funnier than it should have been... awesome video dale! looking forward to your hayes dominion a4 review

With the integral of lever force over trail time you won my sub!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I still have nightmares from my uni math courses...

perfect test, explanation and conclusion.

Used Sram Db5's years ago and liked them, used shimano brakes for years after and then Magura entered the room. Magura for life now.

Looking foreward for the Magura Review. Love them so far

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

I generally liked them, though I found the power delivery to be a bit too shallow of a ramp for my tastes. Soon!

@lezbig535

3 ай бұрын

My MT7 pro are by far the best brakes I’ve used. Just need to be bled minutely to get right.

@MichalSzul

3 ай бұрын

Pair them with shimano lever and they will ramp up like crazy ;)@@DaleStone

@jockardl

2 ай бұрын

@@lezbig535 I feel like they're so gut until the first rebleed. Then the service intervals ramp up incredibly. I feel like you should open them up as late as possible.

Loving the use of "Freedoms" to describe U.S currency. Honest review to soo refreshing to see. Subscribed🤟

@kennymorris6329

3 ай бұрын

Pardon my ignorance but what is he talking about?

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

It's in the vid haha

great riding dude!!

Great review 👍🏻

You should try a pair of Formula Cura's. They are not side specific either, they offer every single part as spares, and guarantee spare part availability for at least ten years after a product is discontinued. Also, they perform excellent.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Ten years is amazing, that would sway me as a customer!

This is one of the best reviews of a product I've seen in ages.

Great video Dale! I bought the expert kit because it seemed like such a good deal with all the extras that come with. Installing them today, I mainly do trail riding with the occasional DH trip so these probably are not the right brake for me. Interested to see how they feel with organic pads!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

If you're strong enough to tame them I have no doubt you'll be impressed! But yeah maybe start with organics, haha.

This is the best most thourough and honest review! Everything else has just been product promotion!

Very interesting review mate! I own a set and love them but there is no arguing science and I found that very interesting. I came from Magura's and havent noticed any increased fatigue as yet.

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

Glad they're working for you!

Man I was hot on these for my park bike but after watching this I’m gunna thing twice and most likely keep my code rsc (I fall into that small category of I love code rsc’s lol I have them on both my transitions). Thankyou for such an informative video!

@DaleStone

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome!