I'd love to see Pirelli release their ultimate F1 tires just to show us what could be achieved if there was no rules or limitations from the F1.

@lochl2

Жыл бұрын

@@Expialidoucious but the objective would be to make a drivable car without rules

@ipo7596

Жыл бұрын

@@lochl2 yes. Like build the absolute fastest drivable race car without rules. That would be crazy. The porsche 919 EVO is a bit close to this scenario however it's built upon an existing platform that was governed by rules. We'd like to see something built from the ground up.

@cybernetix86

Жыл бұрын

@@ipo7596 I agree, something similar to the Red Bull x2010 Adrian Newey designed some times ago. Not sure how someone would be able to drive this thing without passing out tho... However I really think the F1 should be revised from the ground up. It's supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport but every innovations ends up illegal. They really should focus on safety and efficiency at their primary rules but scrap everything else. The car should be within certain parameters like the size and the drag produced to offer interesting races. Other than that, it's up to the teams are allowed to use x amount of fuel to finish the race. You want to use a good old V10 ...okay! or a small 4-cylinder with big ass turbos? fine! ...but keep in mind you need to use x amount of fuel. I think we'd be surprised to see how out of the box some team will think. To keep things interesting I'd make all cad files/designs available after 3 races so any team would be able to see/use the other teams ideas. That would be highly controversial but very cost efficient for teams with smaller budget. Other bonus is that we'd know what the Aston Martin would looks like in 3 races :P

@dylanzrim3635

Жыл бұрын

@@cybernetix86just wait for the ‘26 specs. I have this uncanny feeling that wings will be basically completely banned outside 60’s style winglets and a smaller version of the current rear wing with 90% of the DF made via ground effect

@armadillolover99

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanzrim3635 Is it really F1 if you don’t have wings though?

It’s only $700? thought it would be like $70,000

@liamburgess5029

Жыл бұрын

bulk rate probably

@zqzj

Жыл бұрын

I know what I'm buying for my birthday

@eraserrx

Жыл бұрын

I had the same reaction. Feels affordable lol

@brandonpoley

Жыл бұрын

700 euro so 843 USD per tire hard to believe. Theirs sports car tires out there that cost 4-8k a set

@Iamthelolrus

Жыл бұрын

Cheaper than Bugatti!

Pirelli doesn't just get 20 million pounds per year for their services in F1, marketing deals with F1 plus their own marketing on their own road production tires severely outweigh any development and technical support costs that they spend, especially given how big F1 currently is. Add to that the knowledge they gain from their development the long term profit for pirelli is immense!

@hassannaeem101

Жыл бұрын

I realized how effective their marketing was when I recently saw a set of pirelli p zeros on a car and I thought to myself, "damn those look like some grippy tires". Nevermind the fact that other tire manufacturers also make performance tires

@MoGumbo_

Жыл бұрын

he was only talking about the price of the tires, not their services or costs

@TheZanzaroni

Жыл бұрын

@@MoGumbo_ of course, the comparison to the multi-billion cost of road tire prices made it seem like pirelli hasn't hit the jackpot with f1, when, in fact ,they have

@ThisIsGoogle

Жыл бұрын

Pirelli still sucks

@TheZanzaroni

Жыл бұрын

@@hassannaeem101 Just the white/yellow/red band around road tires would make people on the market for grippy street tires interested and people's turn heads. No matter their performance on the road/track. It's amazing how far their reach is because of their F1 involvement.

How has f1 not given you your own show/segment Like seriously wtf the quality of these videos are top tier You and your team do incredible work, maybe they can’t pay you enough 😂 Keep up the great work lads and ladies!

@dikkeroege

9 ай бұрын

F1 has Alex Fabrega who is pretty good at this sort of stuff.

When I worked at a land fill we had a area to dispose of tires. We had to be careful because sometimes on very worn tires little pieces of the steel bead can poke through. They can cut you through your gloves.

50 USD for a car tyre? I spend about as much per bicycle tyre... heck, per kilogram my bicycle tyres are more expensive than the F1 ones.

@asicdathens

Жыл бұрын

My Continental GP5000 cost $70 here in Cyprus (each)

@Blue-op6qv

Жыл бұрын

Here in argentina, a normal car tyre costs like $150

Where are you getting tires for $50

@sambhavkumar3865

Жыл бұрын

mostly in asia but they are thiner width wise and will not last for 60 k miles more like 10 k km

@tturi2

Жыл бұрын

Skidders, or people who don't have the most ideal income for nice tyres

Would be interesting to see how a F1 car would perform on regular road car tires....

@_Drekavac_

Жыл бұрын

it would prob burn them completly in a lap or 2, just like how wet tyres overheat fast when driven on dry trach. At least thats my guess

@peridromos8894

Жыл бұрын

@@_Drekavac_ yeah, also the car will be undrivable,its will have 0 grip and the tryres will then overheat too..its impossible for normal tyres to output 1000hp and now that i think about it,maybe they would also get ripped completely from the loads of the high downforce corners such as copse ,maybe even on the straights

@aaronaaronsen3360

Жыл бұрын

They'd probably blow up right away after doing a burn out at the start. If not that, they'd disintegrate at the first corner or braking point

@GraveUypo

2 ай бұрын

no they wouldn't explode or desintegrate... that's racing tires. road tires have way harder compound and are often rated for much larger (weight) loads than f1 cars. it would just have way less grip, and as such would never be able to apply the horizontal loads that would be necessary to cause problems (i think, maybe i'm underestimating how much grip just straight downforce gives the car). f1 road cars would be like FE, but maybe worse because FE still uses softer compounds than most road tires, even if they're granite compared to f1.

I believe Scott has the incorrect cost for the F1 tires. I run Pirellis on my cup cars and a full set is approx $3200USD. Impossible to believe F1 tires cost less than mine. Great content other than improper cost.

@GraveUypo

2 ай бұрын

i think it's missing a zero at least

I don't know how much faith I'd have in a £200 set of 60k mile tires. I can't do the conversion in my head, but my last set of tires, the most expensive tires I've ever bought, cost over $1400US. 20in Michelin Pilot Sports for an Audi S5.

@Michael-pi8ps

Жыл бұрын

Lol my mom just bought Walmart Brand Chinese tires for her 2020 Ford Explorer. I tried telling her to get Michelins but she said they cost too much. 30 minutes later she’s talking about planning a Spring Break vacation to NYC(this is normal it’s only 2hrs away) and going to the Louis Vuitton store. Won’t spend $1,000 on the thing that stops her 5,000lb SUV that does 80mph but will spend $3,000 on a bag.

@affectedrl5327

Жыл бұрын

@@Michael-pi8ps there are a few things on a car that i would never skimp on. tires and brakes for example.

@ChloroFluoroHexane

Жыл бұрын

​@@affectedrl5327 exactly, these are essential, they can either your life, or the life or someone else on the road

Last time I put tires on my Vette the rears cost $650 USD a tire. On another note I once did some promo work with American Racing Wheels which is owned by Wheel Pros in California. Anyways they had a BWT Racing Point wheel on their shelf and the first thing I did was pick it up and I was shocked with how light the wheels are.

@groosbro1

Жыл бұрын

Yup, a set of 20 inch rears for my former 911 was about $1,200.

@Photobombin

Жыл бұрын

@@groosbro1 I believe it man especially on a square set up. Gets spicy but I guess we are fortunate to be able to enjoy it.

@groosbro1

Жыл бұрын

@@Photobombin The maintenance on the 911 was absurd, thank God it was a lease and under warranty, otherwise I would have spent well over $13K for fixing relatively minor things, like a squeaky clutch pedal bushing that required removal of the dash to access. A $10 bushing required 15 hours of labor at $189/hr.... Porsche tax...

@Photobombin

Жыл бұрын

@@groosbro1 I can only imagine. I would have loved a 911 but to steep for my current financial situation. I just play with Corvettes cause they are cheap and I know the ins and outs of every single generation having worked on restorations. I haven’t had any experience with a C8 but seems like a good value for the money. The 911 though…. I’ll keep dreaming hahaha.

@groosbro1

Жыл бұрын

@@Photobombin It wasn't overly "expensive" at about $1,100 a month, and I had it through the Covid lockdown. No one on the roads, no police, no commuters, it was a joy to wind it out in first three gears to 7,500 rpm, at which point it was at "loose your license" speed... 🤣

Here in America Michelin sport cups are more than $700 🤣

I can't help but think going back to pre-2017 tires would solve a lot of F1's problems. Less aero wash, less grip (to encourage move overtaking), less weight (and, crucially, less unsprung weight), lower risk to marshals and pit crew if wheel tethers fail, and it will allow F1 cars to be substantially narrower and aid in solving the size problem.

@zo7034

Жыл бұрын

but change for the sake change will save F1, the FIA said so

@Appletank8

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. Less mechanical grip means you’re relying more heavily on aero grip, which is more easily disrupted by the car ahead of you. Less aero grip means you’re skidding more in the turns, slowing you down.

@Akniy

Жыл бұрын

Pre 2017 tyres were terrible. Also dirty air from the tyres was actually worse during those days and better today because of the wheel covers and the front wings. Plus it's less effective due to the increased focus on ground effect

@fearxgods1474

Жыл бұрын

or shorten the supension arms.

@yan4594

Жыл бұрын

They look shabby

I’m actually surprised that the racing slick was as inexpensive as it was!!!!

@tonyroberts7481

Жыл бұрын

Oh I see it’s a 10 year old 13” tire.

If only we could get decent tires for $50.. the cheapest I'd put on anything are ~$70 and my budget track tires are ~$95 can't even imagine splurging on slicks

I’ve seen how the land speed record breaking tires are produced at Goodyear in Akron OH. Those are more unusual than F1 ones - stiffer (feels like wood) and very thin to avoid too big of a temperature gradient, which may lead to deformation and rupture. The production is R&D-like, they are handmade in very small quantities.

The Bridgestone tire you have in the thumbnail and intro to the video is $400-$500 USD per tire.

@halofreak1990

Жыл бұрын

Is there anything that _isn't_ ridiculously expensive in the US?

@-Sam-S

Жыл бұрын

@@halofreak1990 nope 😂 this country is a shit hole tbh and it’s too expensive to live here

@mattfantastic9969

Жыл бұрын

@@halofreak1990 food and gas

@maikmeier5032

Жыл бұрын

@@mattfantastic9969 Food in the grocery store, especially healthy food, is also ridiculously expensive. Fast food and pizza, I agree, is cheap as gas. I remember getting a much better quality burrito from a Mexican quality for the price of 2 frozen burritos from the supermarket. The latter - not worth it.

I sold tires for a long time. This is all exactly what I expected and Im feeling validated lol...cool video, dude.

I believe Lego is still the largest tire maker

@TamagoHead

Жыл бұрын

It’s possible. 🧐McDonald’s happy meal toys made it the biggest unit toy seller🤓

What a great video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge

i want to go back to the Senna days where they abused the tires in the whole race overtaking eachother many times... today there is a 2 or 3 lap "window" where you can try to overtake once or twice...

the 2012 season isn't that the reason The tires are so precise cause 8 different winners in first 8 races (crazy)....so FIA loved that that's why the side walls so thin???? Teach me dammit!!

This was way more interesting than I thought it would be.

Great work!

If I had the money, I'd take an F1 tire, drill some deep holes into the sidewalls and then stick some metal rods in it and then put glass on top and I have an F1 tyre coffee/end table.

What a splendid explanation! I'm using this for my research competence (: Thnx!

$1000 bucks for an F1 tire? When I was 20 years old I had a lifted Silverado with huge off-road tires. I went in to get new tires and the shop quoted me $2500. So $1000 for an F1 soft is a bargain I think.

Congratulations on 1 million subscribers

Awesome work.

I'm honestly baffled how cheap the F1 tires are, I had no idea. What I did remember is that a set of tires for a Bugatti Chiron is $42.000 and needs to be replaced every 2500mi (4000km). Now THAT'S expensive af.

@bakedbeings

Жыл бұрын

The Bugatti tyres come *with* a wheel/rim; they have to glue them on to stay attached despite massive lateral forces.

@PhazerSC

Жыл бұрын

@@bakedbeings You're right about the gluing part, but it doesn't come with the the wheels... the wheel set is an extra $69.000 for some extra crazyness lol. And the wheels need to be changed with every second new set tires. Check out Motortrend's review of the Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse from 2012 for details.

@TamagoHead

Жыл бұрын

@@PhazerSC I think after 3 sets of tyres, the rims need to be replaced.

Let’s not forget Lego is the largest tire manufacturer in the world.

Up to 60,000 miles??? Not sure what tyres you're using but I've had top of the line Pirelli, Michelin, Bridgestone (worst) and more, for most which last around 30- 40,000 km.

There is a Goodyear facility about 45min south of me & there is nothing as low as £50 near me.

love your video's mate!

Pirelli let a tire escape? They’re slipping up now

This was awesome, you going to sign any of them? Keep up the awesome stuff.

Very interesting, thanks 👍

considering how much tech and effort is put into each road tire. even at $100 each, it's a sheer bargain.

This is exceptional content

NO, they're not called dynamometers. Dynamometers measure torque and speed (and thus power) of a motor to measure its performance. This can be done through the wheels, the hub, or directly on the fly wheel, however that machine shown testing the tyres is not a dynamometer. It might use a small dynamometer within it to measure some of the parameters of the testing, i.e. the torque of the road being driven, ad the torque on the tyre. However that machine is a MTS Flat-Trac® IV CT plus Tire Test Bench specifically. There isn't really a nice neat name for the tyre testing machines, but more or less they're called dynamic tire test rig.

Not sure why you wouldn't also include pirelli in the list of regular manufacturers, and mention they do indeed manufacture commercial tyres, and given they're tyres are usually at the high end for either luxury/comfort, or performance, they make a significant amount.

F1 tires are only 700 quid? My michelin cup tires were over half that. Very surprised on their value.

Great stuff but id love to know where you get tires for 50 quid?

It makes sense now why we often see the entire contact surface detach at the shoulder. Is it a failsafe?

Now how did you get an F1 tyre? Thanks for sacrificing one for science!

I don't know where you got 50$ normal tires from, but I want in, regular tires here are $700+

@Alucard-gt1zf

Жыл бұрын

Then you are being shafted if that's just for a regular budget tyre Also it's £50 not $50

Hi, I noticed that you did not pick up on the heat build up caused by the flexing of the tyre and the dispersal of the heat out of the tyre on the wall design. The other point is that tyres are made by hand, what other items are hand made on a vehicle? Cheers mate. Harera

Which road surface has more grip? Smooth hot mix, or coarse chip bitumen?

I feel like £700 is incredibly reasonable haha

@dimasfebri3805

Жыл бұрын

£700 is only one tyre, not one set.

lol $50 for a tyre? Are you trying to have a blowout? Tyres are like $140 minimum

“How similar are they? Well actually are they similar? They looks the same. Are they the same?”

the largest tire manufacturer in the world, in terms of number of tires made per year.... is Lego. :D

This video should be called "this is how sharp and strong carbon fiber shards are"

Where can I get Bridgestone Potenza's for $50 each? That seems far too cheap

Isn't that really cheap? Handbook f200 slicks are like 400 each, that's £1600 for a pretty low level race car. F1 are only paying £2200 for a set of 4? Seems crazy cheap to me. Is that a special price? I've heard they effectively "rent" the tyres? Is that why they seem cheap perhaps?

Where do you get those used f1 tyres? I want one😢 and here they just cut them in two

The nut holding the F1 tyre on costs more than the tyre itself. Unexpected.

What kinda tires cost 63 dollars? My dad had to replace his and they cost 400 each 😭

What tires do you fit in your road car? In my experience, tires for my car cost more like 100 pounds each (converted from Euro price)...

@randomdude4620

Жыл бұрын

those are a budget one, he probably uses ones around the same pric but for the video they do cheap expensive

I just spent $900 on the cheapest set of tires I could find for my mid sized suv.

I managed to get 4mm off my rears in 3-4 months. Drifting is just to fun 😂

Always wanted to know, if the tread pattern on pirelli's wet and intermediate tires are so incredibly good at dispersing water and adding back a lot of wet weather grip, why isn't that same pattern used in road cars? Wouldn't such a pattern make tires safer in tough weather conditions and lessen the possibility for hydroplaning?

@raffriff42

Жыл бұрын

The difference is downforce. It squeezes out the water, even with a much chunkier tread. (edit: I'm guessing)

@joelambert7128

Жыл бұрын

Road noise is not a relevant concern when designing an F1 tyre, neither is fuel economy to the same extent that it is for a road tyre. An extreme wet tyre doesn't need to function at all in dry conditions either, unlike a road tyre - which must not only function in a wide range of conditions, but handle as predictably as possible in those conditions too.

How do you go about acquiring a used f1 tyre because putting that instead a glass coffee table would be a cool af house decoration

I love your videos. 👍

Glad you mentioned potholes...

Would the wind tunnel tires work on a kart?

No way you can get Potenzas for £50

Good video but i cannot belive you cut the F1 tyre....ive been after one for years

Bridgestone Potenzas cost £50?

I'm sure just cause the bead is similar in thickness doesn't mean its similar at all in steel composition or hardness.

I want to see a 1930’s race car with modern F1 tyres

More like this please!

GT7 is ripping me off charging 40k for set of mediums 😂

The low volume production, research and development and logistics obviously make it way, way, more expensive.

Also the difference is in the fact that the f1 tyre has to run at 100 degrees C, whereas the road car tyre doesn’t heat up that much

Just remember, the most tyres per year title is held by Lego, where the comparison there? 😂😂😂

What happened with last years F1 competition you were running?

Where did you get an F1 tyre at $700??? The Dollar Store???

Who do I contact to buy a set of actual F1 tires?

Does F1 have to return the used tires (tyres) to Pirelli?

@TamagoHead

Жыл бұрын

I believe so, and the Pirelli engineers analyze the used tyres. Also, I believe it’s required to return allocations that were issued.

do endurance race vs formula 1 tyres that would make more sense to compare.

@OhKnow379

Жыл бұрын

Hard compound

i kinda want to see him cut open a rally tire and compare to this ones.

Didn't Michael Schumacher's special Bridgestones in his Ferrari dominance cost a lot more than £700

Where do you get tire for 50?

What potenzas are £50?

The video should be called "F1 tires are cheaper than you think"

why are tyres sooo cheap in England ? in norway a normal summer tyre can easily cost 200-300 pound each

Content on the makeup of the tires is great, but the costs don't make sense. My darn Continental summer tires are over 300 bucks now and the are only 255s.

6:44 aren't the inters and wets called cinturato?

But what happens to the thousands of used tyres at the end of each F1 season?

@dairevickers

Жыл бұрын

Think they burn them

@bakedbeings

Жыл бұрын

Pirelli claims they're recycled iirc

Am I the only person who thought f1 would cost even more?

@QwoaX

Жыл бұрын

Well, even 700 USD per tyre (2800 per set) adds up to 6-digit value over the course of a season. Also you'd think that Pirelli gives a discount, providing them at pure manufacturing cost or below for all the advertisement they receive. Plus manufacturing cost per tyre are reduced by the large quantities they provide and using some of the same tech and production lines for other series, like F2.

@TamagoHead

Жыл бұрын

It’s a unique marketing, balance of performance, and very advanced tyre testing & post race evaluation business structure. F1 tyres are almost bespoke & there are challenges in terms of thermal tolerance. Amazing. I personally would like to see more tyre competition in F1, but in the era of balance of performance, the funding as a sole supplier makes sense for the manufacturer & the race series.

£50 for a road car tyre, I wish

@Alucard-gt1zf

Жыл бұрын

That's what they cost..... Plus around £30 for labour (Should mention I'm looking at this with trade prices and also with budget tyres)

@BritAcrossThePond

Жыл бұрын

@@Alucard-gt1zf wow thanks

How did you buy it?

Never cheap out on tires because there is nothing else between your car and the road.

The second is the depth, but not in mm/cm.

I think that the audience is at a point where they might need to know what slip angle means, and how does the tire actually move you forward and back, and what makes it possible to turn. I'm talking about the rubber stretching, which is the force that actually moves and turns you. When you push on the rubber, it pushes back, when you stretch it, it pulls itself back. And this is the force that does EVERYTHING, as long as we are within static grip zone... it is one of the most wonderful sensations, to understand how tires work, realizing that the tire does not move when you rotate the wheel: relative to the road, the contact patch is STATIONARY. Like you are not moving at all. Rotate the axle, the tire stretches and pushes against the road using traction and this makes you move forward. I want more people to get that feeling cause it is amazing high... If i could, i would push a button to forget it so i can learn it again.

I get that you’re going for maximum impact but who is driving on $50 tires? My tires are $300/ea and GT3 rears are $650/ea.

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Don't know what i'm more shocked. That F1 tires are only 700gbp or that he found a 50gbp tire.

I thought F1 tyres would be even more expensive than that, a new set for a Veyron or Chiron costs more. But indeed, if you add the number of sets each team uses over a weekend...