What language here is your favorite? Let me know in the comments!

@Rabid_Nationalist

Жыл бұрын

The sami languages are rrally interesting imo so ill choose that!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Rabid_Nationalist I agree, they're my favorite too!

@AvrahamYairStern

Жыл бұрын

Nenets seems cool

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

Жыл бұрын

Khanty gang

@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991

Жыл бұрын

Sami languages are always cool

As a Finnish person I need to look real hard at that Sami text but I think there is a cuople of words I can imagine being cognates.

@mariiris1403

Жыл бұрын

Being a Norwegian, I only know a few words, and one of them is 'ja', meaning 'and' in both languagues.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@mariiris1403 they're not related though

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Could you give examples? That's cool

@Keskitalo1

Жыл бұрын

As another Finnish person, the only cognate I can recognize straight away is the word 'ja'. If I see Sami text I can recognize it being Sami, but I can't understand it. My guesses: 'Sii' could be 'se', which would mean 'the / it'. 'Olbmot' could be 'olla', which would mean 'is / to be'. 'Friddjan' looks suspiciously Indo-european loanword, it could perhaps mean freedom or maybe friday. In other words Finnish and Sami are not intelligible. I wonder if it easier the other way around? Maybe the Sami people can figure out Finnish language easier than the Finnish can?

@mariiris1403

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Do you mean that the Sami word ja is not related to the Finnish word ja? Oh, now I understand, I frased it a bit ambiguesly. I meant of course in the the Finnish and Sami. Norwegian is not at all related to them. 😄The Norwegian word for 'and' is 'og'.

I would probably mention that the area traditionally inhabited by Sámi is called Sápmi, from the Northern Sámi endonym (variations in the other languages, it's Saepmie in South Sámi for instance). "Lapland" for one refers only to Swedish and Finnish parts of the region, and secondly it's an exonym derived from a slur. Other than that, the video was impeccable as always

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I came across Sapmi, and I thought it was just a misspelling!!

@Jyyhjyyh

Жыл бұрын

It's not derived from a slur though. I believe the main etymological theory is that it derives from a Finnish word meaning a remote place in general. I get it's an exonym the Sami don't want to be referred by but historically it was not intended to be offensive.

@smultronpojke4010

Жыл бұрын

@@Jyyhjyyh and the r-word was once just a neutral medical term. Words change over time and that includes words that were previously not offensive becoming such

@Jyyhjyyh

Жыл бұрын

@@smultronpojke4010 I understand. I just take issue with the phrase "derived from a slur" when the name Lapland predates the word becoming offensive. You wouldn't say that when a doctor in the 50s called their patient mentally retarded that he was using slurs towards them.

That Khanty song was something. A not-so-fun fact: The exonym _Samoyed_ means something like "self-eater" in Russian, implying cannibalism, and was obviously rather derogatory. It seems to say something about the attitudes of the Russian colonisers towards the Uralic indigenous peoples of Western Siberia. Anyway, I hope that Khanty, Nenets, and other still-spoken related languages will survive in the future. The same goes for the Sami languages, of course.

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

Жыл бұрын

Based Khanty song

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That Khanty song certainly is something LOL, looks like I've given the creator some views. That kinda reminds me of the etymology of Eskimo (look it up) which is now seen as derogatory for obvious reasons

@akl2k7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, apparently, looking it up, someone else claims it comes from a term meaning "land of the Saami peoples", so who knows? Apparently ethnologists have suggested the term "Samodeic" instead.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@akl2k7 that's too close to Samoyedic in my opinion

@akl2k7

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages I've got to agree. Maybe they should take an endonym or a common word for people from them and just use that.

Khanty isn’t the closest language to hungarian, though being pretty close. That title goes to the closely related mansi language(s)!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Khanty-Mansi form a continuum, as I mention in the video. They might as well be considered the same

@a.v.j5664

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Could you give me the sources of your claim? I have never heard the mansi and khanty languages be referred to as the same. Actually, far from it! Modern day uralicists consider there to be multiple different mansi and khanty languages, which have traditionally been considered dialects of one single mansi and kahnty language

@tovarishcheleonora8542

Ай бұрын

@@a.v.j5664 Technicaly, Khanty and Mansi is very close to each other (even if it's not on a level to call it "one single language"). But yeah Khanty is to Finnish while Mansi is closer to Hungarian. And to be honest, Ob-ugric languages very likely the only reason of why the Finnic and Ugric branches were merged into Finno-ugric.

We learned about Sami in school, but I found out much later there are several dialects.

@QuandaleDingleGoofyAhh123

Жыл бұрын

Epic

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I only learnt recently (some months ago) they are separate. They're awesome languages

nice vid as always

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! What was your favorite part?

@Carlston9723

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages the sami languages

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Carlston9723 good choice

Yet another great one!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you as always Gazoontight!

I had my volume to 100% when I opened the khanty song

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

LOL good luck

@Shrey_Shrek

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages this is what I'll be listening to daily from now on

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Shrey_Shrek HAHA enjoy it

Yay! New vid! Cant wait to see whats in it!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoyed it!

@Rabid_Nationalist

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages sure did!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Rabid_Nationalist which language was your favorite?

@Rabid_Nationalist

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages hmmm id say khanty only because of the death metal

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@Rabid_Nationalist LOL, makes sense

the säämi languages have really interesting features, look at anarâškielâ’s numeral system for example, you use different cases for different numeral’s nouns, nominative for 1, genitive for 2-6, and partitive for 7+. so like ohtâ pittá (one thing) vs kyehti pitá (two things) vs čiččâm pittád (seven things)

@CheLanguages

4 ай бұрын

Interesting thank you

I thought Sami was just one language, I learnt something new!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear that Grzegorz!

@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages no problem

@Vuosta

7 ай бұрын

The languages can be quite mutually intelligble, but some of the languages aren't at all. My grandfather is southern sami and when he and his sister speak it's very hard for me to understand much despite having a slight grasp of the language. Southern Sami and something like Ter Sami probably have almost 0% intelligibility.

Great video as always

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment!

Nenets is awesome, Samoyedic gang!

@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewicz991

Жыл бұрын

Also a cool language

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

It's a cool one, I like how isolated it is

I recommend Võro or south Estonian for a third instalment of this series. It's actually the only Finnic language that descends from a different dialect than all other Finnic languages do, and has some funky features.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Someone else in the comments told me about it a while ago and I'd definitely like to talk about it, it's such an underrated language!

@Sinivaal

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@CheLanguagescan you maybe do ones with Seto and Mulk too

Commenting here too, I don't know where you got those percentages but it's wildly off. I found some data on the number of loanwords in Hungarian and they number in the low thousands around 2000-2500 at the most, while wikipedia puts them at around 1500. The average person has a vocabulary of around 20.000 words. That means that foreign loanwords make up around 10% or less of their total vocabulary. The official linguistics blog of the Hungarian Academy of Language Science puts the Uralic vocabulary in an average text at 80-90% with the vast majority of those Uralic words being the result of internal evolution and development of the Hungarian language since its separation from other Uralic languages. Again, I don't know where you got that 19% thing but my guess that would make any kind of sense is that it's the amount of direct cognates with modern Finnish. Words like käsi - kéz (hand) veri - vér (blood) etc that still look and sound recognizable in both languages. The fact that the majority of words are not direct cognates does not mean that the rest of the vocabulary is not Uralic in origin. French and Italian are both neo-latin languages and 90% of the vocabulary comes from Latin yet they are not mutually intelligible and only about 70-75% of the vocabulary has direct cognates in the other language. This only reflects that French and Italian have not been separate languages for *that* long so the vast majority of the words did not go through major internal development. As we know they've started their individual journeys around 1500 years ago or less. Hungarian and Finnish have been completely separated from one another for like 8000 years. Hungarian has been linguistically separated from its closest relatives Khanty and Mansi for like 4000 years. Even the latter is thrice as much as Romance languages, four times as longer as Germanic languages and again four to five times longer than the main branches of Slavic languages. Proto-Indo-European, the mother of all European languages was estimated to have been spoken around 4000BC. By that point the Finnic and the Ugric branches of Uralic have been separated for close to 2000 years. Even by then comparing the Finnic languages and the Ugric languages would have been like comparing modern Spanish to Classical Latin. No wonder they look nothing alike today. To put that into perspective, when Finnic and Ugric broke apart 8000 years ago, there were still mammoths in Siberia.

I really wanted to learn Sámi, any dialect, I just want a funny forgotten language to learn

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Which would you learn, Northern Sámi?

@fiddleafox_

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages Mainland or Northern And note that in Finnish "Kiitos" (Thank you) is similar to the Sami (Northern) "Giihtu" with the pronouciation being almost equal.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@fiddleafox_ ah that's a cool link

Northern sami is my favourite of these but i have a bias 😂

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Are you from Sapmi?

@larrywave

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages no but my great grandpa was northern sami so 😂

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@larrywave now that's awesome, did he speak it?

@larrywave

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages yes but unfortunately he didn't pass it along

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@larrywave ah that's sad. Maybe you can bring it back

Been learning northern sámi for different reasons. Know more about the vocab than grammar but have a beginning understanding. Theres some advanced grammar though but great language for sure.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome, how would you say you're doing with the language?

@levifleecs1406

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages I'd say that it's going ok, about as I'd imagined. I've found different resources that gimme a basic idea of house the different vowels and consonants sound, I'd say the thing that makes it difficult most would be that their is just a lack of learning material. Honestly though I was expecting there to be a lack of learning material to begin with! Keep in mind, I've only been learning about a year or so.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@levifleecs1406 hey, someday maybe you'll visit Sapmi and get to speak it with natives!

@levifleecs1406

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages thatd be great but definitely wanna be better in the cold first!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@levifleecs1406 LOL yeah, good luck

Would be interesting to mention the Sayan Samoyedic languages, which were Samoyedic languages spoken all the way down near the Altai mountains. Sadly they have all gone extinct

@CheLanguages

5 күн бұрын

There's a few more to talk about, sadly many of these languages are poorly documented and it makes it difficult to make content on it

While it doesn't have anything to do with languages, i just wanted to comment on how ridiculously similar some of the traditional clothing between us Sámi and the Nenets are.

@CheLanguages

7 ай бұрын

Ah, that's awesome, things like that still show really interesting links

That Khanty song is fire 🔥

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

It truly is

Khanty are cousins of Hungolians😎

@AvrahamYairStern

Жыл бұрын

💀💀💀

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Hungarians when someone says they're not European: 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🇲🇳🇲🇳🇲🇳

Can you do one for the Semitic languages? There are many unknown and unheard of Semitic languages

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I'm planning on it yeah!

What happened with the sound? There was a lot of background thumping and rumbling in the Sami and Nenets sections, which wasn't in the Khanty part.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, I try to stay still in my videos too LOL. I had to rerecord the entire Khanty section after I'd finished recording the rest of the video because there were a lot of slip ups that were just unprofessional, I thought the Nenets section was fine when I listened back to it. I'll see what I can do for next week

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback

@DavidCowie2022

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages How much people notice will depend on how they watch. I first watched the video on my TV (which has a sound bar + subwoofer), and the background noises were very noticeable. I then watched it again on my mobile device with headphones, and they were still there, but less prominent.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidCowie2022 ah, I always wondered if anyone watches my videos on their TV LOL. I edit with headphones to get the maximum amount of sound as possible to notice mistakes, sadly editing on TV isn't an option I don't think

The Sami languages are an Uralic language? I never knew this! I always assumed it was just kind of its own thing...

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they're Uralic. They're also awesome

Can you do a video about Austroasiatic language ?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That's a language family

could you do the forgotten turkic languages?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking about it still

Can you share the link of the metal video?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I shared it in three places, the description, a card in the corner at the timestamp, and on the community tab

@BrokenNoseola

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages sorry dude. The new KZread app update doesn't show links but directly a KZread icon which was weird getting used to. Thank you.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@BrokenNoseola ah well it's on the community tab still

Ok. Now I know Khanty

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

That's good, I'm glad you learned something new!

Can Hungarians understand some Khanty?

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

I don't know, they're quite far removed from over time, even though they're the last closest ancestor of each other

@zsike10

Жыл бұрын

Nothing. We don't understand them.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

Жыл бұрын

@@zsike10 Can you see similarities in certain words?

@zsike10

Жыл бұрын

Some numbers, maybe a few words. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fYJm2sVxhKzQdLQ.html

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@zsike10 Thank you for the clarity

I hate the letter tsadi a lot.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

למה?

I checked the "Монсев олаӈ ятал" song on YT and recognized instantly that the singer is a guy called "Tapio Susi" on YT. His real name is Nathaniel Mash and he is an American who is obsessed with the finnish language and sings in heavy metal style random finnish words (in alphabetical order). He has almost 20 random channels dedicated to random subjects and projects about finnic languages and you have found one of his channels that I have missed totally. I know that this seems totally random but me and my friends discovered him a year ago and started to research about this guy and why is he doing all of this. And also we found some odd drama about him and another person whom I won't name here.

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Man I can't stop laughing at your comment. I knew there was something weird behind this for this one small random channel to just have this one video about a random Uralic language in a death metal song. Why so many channels? Why does ye do it? I want to know now too!

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Also, drama sounds interesting, tell ne about it!

@cxntmane

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguages we don't know why he has all of those channels, he never explained it. But he told why he does singing videos about random finnish words (some of them are not ever real words, he just manages to combine words from the dictionary). He said this multiple times in his comments, "Every finnish word needs a Tapio Susi song".

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

@@cxntmane That's awesome. What about this drama?

@cxntmane

Жыл бұрын

@@CheLanguagesSo he is a married man, but at one point (about 4 years ago) he had some kind of relationship with a girl from south-east asia (I don't remember what country she was from). From the messages they sent to each other in social media, first it was some form of love and later on it formed into hate messages. I haven't asked him anything about this but I think this matter doesn't need anymore light. I could go deeper than this but I don't see need to do that.

This might interest you en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandoromani

@CheLanguages

Жыл бұрын

Odd, never expected that to exist. Thank you