Enjoy the new episode! Alfred and I will talk more TAM tonight on his webcast (at 9:30 PM CST). See you there! kzread.info Also, special thanks to Soundcore for making this episode possible! 🎧

@kronos_tech

3 жыл бұрын

My laptop is SUPER OLD It is from 2009 and it runs like a minus 999999999 degrees knife through metal yes I am very serious

@Wii1235number2

3 жыл бұрын

My laptop is from 2013

@zachspiegel1577

3 жыл бұрын

My laptop is a school laptop 😂😂 It has a whopping core i3 with 4 gigs of RAM!

@TugAndThugComputing

3 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@Wii1235number2

3 жыл бұрын

@@zachspiegel1577 mine too but is not a school pc

"They surprised Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs" That does not sound like a good idea...

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

No. Not at all. My friend, Al, emailed Steve Woz, and apparently Wozniak liked the TAM, at least. Here's a snippet of Al readying Woz's email response (from yesterday's webcast). kzread.info/dash/bejne/io51mdiJZsipltI.html

@LaskyLabs

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan well Woz liked everything that Jobs hated. So... Take that as you will.

@MaxOakland

3 жыл бұрын

It’s funny to think about the brief period Jobs was back at Apple but not CEO

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

@@MaxOakland I suppose it can be, depending on how you look at it. But he was also at Apple for 9 years prior, and he wasn't CEO.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

CORRECTION: here's the proper time stamp. Same video, different time stamp. kzread.info/dash/bejne/io51mdiJZsipltI.html

This makes me want to see a 50th Anniversary Mac in five years.

@marcdraco2189

6 ай бұрын

Already? Good god... saw one of the first Lisas ever made... and I remember that like was yesterday.

@brainwithani5693

5 ай бұрын

​@@marcdraco2189never give away details that date you that much😂

@marcdraco2189

5 ай бұрын

@@brainwithani5693 not that I’d admit to my days with pre-Zx80 Sinclair designs … because that would make me old. 😜

@IzzuddinRafli

Ай бұрын

Pre-ZX80? Like, the Executive and their other calculators?​@@marcdraco2189

You have to remember that back when a 27 inch TV was the biggest TV most homes had a 13 inch TV wasn't an uncommon size for a kid to have. I used to watch TV all the time on a 13 inch TV growing up, and watching on the 25 inch in the living room was a TREAT. I recently watched something with my daughter on a 32 inch TV in a hotel room and I swear to god it hurt my eyes to look at such a tiny screen from 15 feet away.

@ConeyFUKINC

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself, lol. We got a 40" in our living room and I feel like its a toy as well, lol!

In the 90s, computers were boxes for the most part, and even Macs were boxes for the most part... 2021: “Yep, still boxes....”

@MrAlan1828

3 жыл бұрын

Yup the Powermac 6100 was a Pizza (Box)

@prismstudios001

3 жыл бұрын

Pizza i as….

@caitentensoldtheworld1993

2 жыл бұрын

Imac g3 was a gumdrop

@NonsensicalSpudz

2 жыл бұрын

its basically function over form, sure the current macs look really nice, but how often do you hear about aggressive thermal throttling and heat issues. *obviously with M1 this irrelevant now

@clivebaxter6354

2 жыл бұрын

imac was not a box

I worked at Apple for 13 years, and back in the early 00's the TAM was still being supported because of how "special" it was. They could only be serviced by being sent in to Apple's corporate service dept for repair and they came in often. They were a b*tch to repair because the parts became rare. One particular customer moaned about it all the time, but despite being offered a Brand new iMac that would smoke the stock TAM he refused because it was so "special". That thing spent more time in repair than with him. Honestly that what mainly made me particularly interested to watch this video, but outside of the owning by "The Demo Gods", I found it curious that no other mention was made about the notorious issues the TAM became known for.

@marcdraco2189

6 ай бұрын

So more of a CRAP than a Mac

That botched TAM introduction is probably responsible for the style and tone of all of Apple’s future keynotes. Jobs probably tore everyone involved a new asshole and made DAMN sure future keynotes would run flawlessly.

@thedeskman08

2 жыл бұрын

......... Oh ok......

This Mac is so special that it needs a special startup sound, so Apple.

@mahbodkaramoozian6409

3 жыл бұрын

It has iirc

@FeeLtheHertZ

3 жыл бұрын

They just need to update the T0.2 Chip

@theapplenerd1387

3 жыл бұрын

If you upgrade to macOS big sur, then you get the startup sound back

@hillstones

3 жыл бұрын

@@theapplenerd1387 The 2016-2019 MacBooks running Mojave and Catalina can have the startup chime with a simple terminal command to change the NVRAM default setting from off to on. Big Sur makes it easier with a checkbox in System Preferences.

@andrupka8749

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillstones, Mojave cannot do it, terminal method is catalina - only

How Ken was able to get ahold of one of these blows my mind. He has enterally earned my respect for owning one of these absolutely beautiful machines.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

I remember reading about Jobs saying something like "The TAM was everything wrong with Apple" but I dunno, it seems like the kind of computer he would like, fits in line with the original Mac vision. An appliance for the home. Cute, blends in, gets out of the way, nice.

@PuffyRainbowCloud

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, he was probably just salty about the whole thing. Fired from his own company and all that.

@s8wc3

3 жыл бұрын

@@PuffyRainbowCloud Yup. Rumor has it once he got back in the company via the NeXT acquisition (which he was probably also not that happy about) he sold a bucketload of Apple shares which managed to get executives knickers in a twist. Gill Amelio was asked to resign and look who became the new CEO... Kinda feel bad for Gill, he was competent, Apple would have been fucked without him, but it had to happen I suppose.

@negirno

3 жыл бұрын

Ironically, some years later, he came out with his own unconventional Mac design, the G4 Cube and it was also a failure.

@s8wc3

3 жыл бұрын

​@@negirno Honestly both probably would have been hits if it weren't for the pricetags. The TAM has an excuse being a limited run machine, the Cube was just plain overpriced. Took them until the Mac Mini to learn their lesson, but hey better late than never

@dunebasher1971

3 жыл бұрын

Come on, just look at the TAM - you can see immediately why Jobs didn't like it. In fact I was surprised to find that Jony Ive had a lot of design input. It looks fussy and odd.

Back in 1998 when we had to setup one of those in our little Apple Shop in Basel, Switzerland, we were of course testing the audio capabilities. Bose even threw a reference test audio cd in the box. And the result was literally earth shaking. Our 6m by 2.5m store window vibrating dangerously and feedback by out neighbours meant it could be heard through half the block. Track 5 (“Friends” by the Thom Rotella Band, kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYuVo9CrnN3MfM4.html ) to this day is in my playlist to test devices.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

That's amazing.

Ah, yes. The Anker Soundcore Liberty Air Two Pro. That was six words for the name of a pair of earbuds.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Trust me, it took me about 15 takes to say the name on the camera...... it'll be in the blooper reel. : p

@rGunti

3 жыл бұрын

At least its something else than Raycon ;)

@UHDbits

3 жыл бұрын

@@rGunti I actually have owned some Soundcore Q20's (over-ears) and I only have two beefs with them. 1. They are made all out of plastic and it feels cheap 2. micro-USB I've never used Raycons, but at least I know they are definetly way worse. I've convinced some of my friends to get a pair of the Q20's. They are pretty good.

@audreyrasmussen540

3 жыл бұрын

"Anker Soundcore Liberty": Cool, I have a pair! "Anker Soundcore Liberty Air": Alright, it makes matinence on the Liberty a bit confusing, but... "Anker Soundcore Liberty Air Two Pro": a lot of words

@NicholasHubbard

3 жыл бұрын

@@UHDbits I have a SC Life Q20. It's not an *amazing* pair of ANC OE monitors, but for the money, it's excellent.

I was just wondering when the episode would be about this. Because I remembered that he bought this Macintosh at the same market as the NeXT cube.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! And I'd love to do a retrospective of the NeXTcube someday, too. : )

@princesssprinklesthecat4192

2 жыл бұрын

@@ComputerClan we all got.our wish for that one

2:30 Daniel Day Lewis was fantastic in "There Will Be Blood!"

@amirpourghoureiyan1637

3 жыл бұрын

who knew he was great at product design? 😄

I’ve been a PC guy my whole life (gaming was just easier), so it’s wicked cool to see all this crazy apple stuff I never knew existed back then.

@Johnrichox

2 жыл бұрын

And

The startup sound is legendary. I wish they made a reissue.

@flp322

3 жыл бұрын

40th anniversary Mac in 2027?

@SlyHikari03

3 жыл бұрын

@@flp322 hehe

@Maciek2846

3 жыл бұрын

@@flp322 no, it would be 50th anniversary.

@troodon1096

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, this year would be a perfect time to release a reissue to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the 20th anniversary Macintosh.

@irrigamii

2 жыл бұрын

@@flp322 ehhh i know you sent this a year ago, but it's more like "50th anniversary Mac in 2026?"

Adjusted for inflation, that would be $12,317.50 today. That's like 2.5 Pro Display XDRs, or like 2 with the stands

I can’t believe Alfred was brought up in this video. I’ve been a friend and longtime viewer of Alfred for well over 10 years! Absolutely amazing! I was in his Ustream when he unboxed the TAM! It’s sad that the TAM died faster than my friend’s marriage. It was an FF-Class failure! It was whatevah! All Alfred jokes aside I loved this video! Great work!

After many years I've been able to purchase one for my collection in very good shape thanksfully. It's a very nice piece and design I must admit. Sound is great, speed is very good even considering the old hard drive inside. I've been able to run old softwares and games that I always wanted to run. No regret for this purchase !

I purchased a TAM off eBay back around 2011. Mine has the infamous "buzzing" issue because the base unit is acting up. I ended up opening up the base unit and disabling the amplifier and I use external speakers that are hidden so it seems like it's still working properly. Mine also came with the 400MHz Sonnet G3 upgrade card. I've tried putting Mac OS X on it, but haven't had any luck. I put a flash to IDE adapter in and put in a 2GB flash card. I'm dual booting Mac OS 7 and 9 on it. It's a really neat piece of history, but it's certainly not the most reliable (or sturdy, the plastic on the base unit is chipping off) computer ever made.

this mate spent more money in old hardware than i ever spent in new hardware

I bought one, still in the box, from an Apple Shop that was going out of business. I bought it, along with a Sonnet G3 500Mhz upgrade card, for $1200. They didn’t even know they had it until I dug it out of their storage basement. I still own it, though I used to use it as a stereo as it’s sound was fantastic, though after I bought a used Bang & Olufsen BeoSound 3200, along with a pair of BeoLab 8000 speakers that I still use today thanks to Bluetooth, it quickly gained dust and now resides on a shelf in my office, next to my PowerBook 100 and transparent 2400c, also with a G3 upgrade card.

The silver one looks even better. This computer is gorgeous. It was just way too expensive and ahead of its time. A lot like the G4 Cube I really want to see a video where you install OS X

That Dwight Schrute laugh at 6:00 :D Very funny. Excellent video

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you : D

Imagine if Apple did this today. An Apple Silicon iMac G4 like computer with a touchscreen display that runs macOS alongside iPad apps.

@danielgartin-oh9ik

Жыл бұрын

Is that a joke, dude?

I own a Mac 20. One time a person told me that if I got him one he would give me a Mac Pro Xeon. It was a hunt for a couple of years, but I actually found two in Mexico and kept one... and they gave me a Mac Pro Xeon.

Imagine a beast sleeper PC in this case... that would be sick

Its actually unbelivable how much some old computers are worth. The price is just going up. That's crazy!

@Helladamnleet

2 жыл бұрын

The have a lot of nostalgia value because a generation that had them more readily available has emerged, and they're rare because computers are a throw-away type of tech where once you upgrade it there's no reason to keep the old model. It's like how weird cars you wouldn't have thought possible are becoming valuable

Always found this Mac interesting even if it was pretty silly. I seem to remember the price included someone coming to your house to unpack and set it all up for you. Looking forward to watching your video.

Back in the days, when you bought one, the had it delivered in a limo and the Chauffeur would bring it into you home and unbox and install it for you. I believe it was an addon on top of the $7500 I think it was 10k in total. Wasn't me it didn't happen. I owned one got it for $1000 CAD and upgraded to a Sonnet G3 250 maxed out ram and internal drive, later replaced the driver with a 128GB SD2SCSI. Fixed the Bose audio issue, a prone flaw with these TAMs. Last I ran OS9forever then installed OSX 10.2.8 It gave me alots enjoyment but also had a lot of other macs to play with .Sadly I sold it 5 years ago to someone in my neighbour who bought it for his dad who had Terminal Cancer..... Well can't say no to a dying man's last wishes. I maybe will try to buy another if I have the time and space, its not about the money, its do I have time to play with my other tech stuff...... Concerige service ;) web.archive.org/web/19980123171313/www.twentiethanniversary.apple.com/usa-c.html

Always wanted one of these, especially when they first came out. So forward-thinking.

Have always loved the TAM, so this video was dear to my heart. However, for your next video you should highlight together both a 5400/5500 and a TAM because internally for the most part, they are the same computer. Currently, I own an All-in-One 5500 (with its built-in Sony 15 CRT) and along with the TAM they each use the same internal Apple video card (which shipped with video editing software), internal Apple TV/FM card (with a FM antenna and the black remote control), internal Ethernet card, internal PCI expansion slot, and they both use the same G3 upgrade processor card.

Wow, I've always loved the TAM but I never knew Daniel Day-Lewis was involved in making it, that's cool

Thanks for the great video Ken! I've always seen it in the background, and am so glad to finally get the story on it. I'm a pretty big B&O fan, and I did see quite a few similarities of B&O design in that design. I'm a little surprised they went with Bose for the speaker system.

I remember watching Alfred's unboxing of this more than a decade ago. Before that video I had never even heard of this product. Its definitely a fascinating piece of design. The lamp design iteration definitely seemed to be of inspiration to the iMac g4.

Finally a KZreadr that's sponsored by a good earphone brand

It’s the Mac TV 2.0! Now we can all enjoy the latest episodes of The Flying Toasters Show with Bose audio!

I used to work on these as an apple tech back in the day. Its based off the 6500 laptop and you could also switch out the main board for a G3 one.

2:16 That thing is awesome. I have a Sony LCD monitor that looks just like that, with the curved back. Half of the TAM protos remind me of videophones, very telling of the era I suppose

Ah yes, the Serial Experiments Lain computer!

@horacegentleman3296

2 жыл бұрын

You're still using a kid's Navi.

@swindlesmccoop

2 жыл бұрын

was looking for someone to say it as soon as i saw this recommended to me

Seinfeld had one of these as Jerry's prop computer *FOR ONE SEASON*. Can you imagine somebody in the props department going out and buying a $7500 object to put in a corner of the stage, and then discard after 9 months of filming? Must've been an interesting meeting where they decided to do that one...

Thanks for the history on this cool Mac.

Looks like a laptop unfolded and stood straight up. I remember seeing this at Macworld thinking how cool this was.

I love the TAM, I remember seeing it as a kid and thinking "Wow! Computers of the future will be so cool!". I still want one.

@toopink4death492

3 жыл бұрын

Little did you know it is cool, Subzero cool to get 5.2 ghz clock speeds gpu and processor. Wait mac can't reach those speeds that was PC.

That design was just amazing, rarely see old computer with that beautiful design

Would see this model set up in electronic shops in Tokyo when I was living there. Always took my breath away and made me feel I was looking at the future....

That Alfred.tv shout out !

@ProduktReview

3 жыл бұрын

Watched a ton of him back in 2010-2012. He got me into mac stuff!

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

Hadn’t thought about his stuff in years! Well, actually I tell a lie, I was just telling a friend about the Apple Lisa demo from back in the day he did where he explained scroll bars (to the uninitiated) as “elevators”. But I didn’t remember his name!

Hello Ken, Great show! Do you know where can I buy the G3 CPU upgrade for the TAM? Thanks for any info!

I’m pretty sure that’s the Mac in the background of Jerry’s apartment in Seinfeld 😄

@gregmenso1815

3 жыл бұрын

It is.

@HolowatyVlogs

3 жыл бұрын

The models change throughout the years. 😉

for fm radio, you could just stuff some copper wire around and out of the coax, you could also just use a coax. Or, What I had done in similar cases, take a coax plug it in, run it to the location I need, take copper wire trick, other end of wire around the bottom hook on an FM antenna, boom, antenna.

they had some really great visual design thats for sure, some of those concepts are just plain cool looking

Fun episode! I'd love to see the one you mentioned about running OSX on it too 👀

I've seen so many of your episodes in the last two weeks that I think I love you already 🤭☺️🙃

I got two of these and they still play audio CDs nicely!

Great video Ken!

I remember watching Alfred's TAM unboxing when I was a lot younger, not long after my 7th birthday. How things have changed since then...

Thank you so much for the great video 😀

One the ultimate apple flexes ;-) I saw one in Harrods in the UK (a very upmarket department store) in the 90’s and was amazed by it and still lust after one! Good find Ken and thanks for the video too!

I caught the Krazy and now I'm contagious !

Were the speakers as good as the ones on my old Performa 6400? Those things were *powerful*.

I remember when we got macs at college in the 80's , I was on a computer programming course. And as a test we were asked to write our own version of a user manual.

I love these TAMs but only because my favorite Mac was the PowerPC 6500/275 603e which had most of the same entertainment features, TV tuner, radio, remote, bass boosted speakers.cable-in. I bought one of those Sonnet Crescendo G3/350 when it was introduced for i believe $300 . gave me several more years of use.

This channel is underrated. You definitely deserve more subscribers considering the quality of your videos and the effort you put into them!

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you : )

The fact that you have such a precious piece of technology is so insane.

i just found your channel and i already love it. Your presentation, your tone (very important for me. some people try too hard and sound like an annoying amateur news anchor) and most importantly your content. Just Subbed looking forward to going through your back log.

The prototype TAM used to be in The Apple Museum in Prague...before the collection was stolen by the co-owner...

TAM is timeless design. It still looks sharp by today's standard. I think its design is ahead of its time back then.

For the fm tuner it looks like you could just use a coax cable, I used to use when I was testing old receivers

I have never been a huge fan for Apple products, but that TAM is one that I have always loved the look of. I hope to have one eventually.

This was an amazing vid, thanks!

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you : )

Cool video Ken thanks

Thank you so much for your great video of this special computer 👨‍💻

by the way have you any idea this machine how many a maximal hdd upgrade and max vga refresing?

Such an amazing piece of Apple history and a neat computer nonetheless. Awesome video!

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you : )

I have one complete with original boxes, ran a website for the TAM for a number of years. for what it is, they put way more into than they ever got out, which wasn't a good thing for apple but it leaves a very interesting one off relic. Mine has a sonnet g3 400mhz upgrade with OS 9.1. I have the AppleDesign book that has the TAM in it, pretty rare and an extra Bose subwoofer. has the most unique start up chime.

But that Joker smile after “give me a call”. :)) Priceless.

When is the mac os X upgrade video coming out? I really enjoyed this one and would be Nice to see more!

Excellent. I was there. The reveal was a huge schlimazel.

Wait you could watch live TV in the apple video player ? With an antenna over the air ? Not web tv . Could you make a video about that ? Could you do it today ? Is there a dvb t/t2 device for mac ?

My favourite computer design is the commodore PET. it's got that timeless early sci-fi look.

5:59 that was the best fake laugh was waiting for the 'wait you're serious'

Am i the only one overly impressed by the 11:43 transition? lol. That was so good.

I only remember that indian guy presenting the machine and praying to the "demo gods". Steve was not amused.

Now but it and put modern guts in. Some printing and fabrication to make paneling for modern ports will be needed, but the TAM has a damned good look to it.

great vid. didn't know about this Mac

Awesome video!

Does anyone know where the old cс live episodes go, I can't find them on the channel. :( (sorry for my bad english)

I remember my first computer in 1990. It was a box Macintoch SE 30. Yes it was a box with a B/W 12 inches screen. It costed me a lot.

I know I already commented this on the announcement post, but damn, I still can’t quite believe you actually got one of these and I’m still incredibly excited.

@ComputerClan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching : )

When it comes to the prototype try contacting the prop department of the film studio that produced the movie maybe they held onto it in case of sequal

@griss2984

3 жыл бұрын

It was probably given by Apple to the studio specifically for use in the film. Since it was a prototype, there was probably an Apple rep on the set, and as soon as it was no longer needed for filming, it went back with the rep to Apple, so the prop department probably had little to nothing to do with the care of it. Also, for a sequel, one-shot props like this don't need to be consistent from film to film. It's also reasonable to think that Wayne Manor would be outfitted with the latest desktop computers, so by the time a 5th batman movie (in the original film series) would have come out, either Apple no longer worked with Warner Bros, or they had a new model to show, and Alfred's computer would be a newer one.

can you get the flashback intro? kernel panic, apple park, etc.

To me it’s still the most beautiful computer ever made. It has a very curious mix of very 90s modernism yet timelessness to it. I would totally still use one as a our house’s main music player.

The combination power supply/subwoofer should be an accessory for the M-series iMac which could plug into the power supply hole.

I bought the first Liberty Sir in black Friday and they're good, Anker usually makes good inexpensive sound products. IDK, is just you don't see many people talking about them... BTW I really love that reveal in that Apple conference Jobs really wanted to punch someone in the gut and Wozniak better started laughing his ass off, he was just having a blast.

It always reminded me of an opened PowerBook 500 series...

that stand is beautiful

I would have loved the TTO concept ! Way a head of it's time !

Very cool looking machine!

it's certainly a bit of a mythical machine and while I'd like to own one I've never seen anything at a sensible price - nor do I ever expect to sadly. Happy to get my Classic MacOS experience on my G4 tower and my old iBook G3 for now

Is the iMac in the back of your videos a monitors or something else?