Props to Paul for reading the comments and redoing the test.

@BobbyDazzler888

2 ай бұрын

Yep

@jasonlast7091

2 ай бұрын

This man is committed I swear he reads every comment

@thegripmaster666

Ай бұрын

With NGS and octane learning, 0-100 kmph should be around 5.5 secs or less. 👏 Paul for listening to the comments and actually doing it; best car journalist in Australia.

Huge props for taking the time to experiment with this! That's some real dedication and most channels wouldn't bother!

I ordered one yesterday I can't wait till it comes. It's my first ever sports car

@CRUMB.

2 ай бұрын

I own the hatch and If this is your first sports car then please be careful with how quickly these things get up to stupid speeds. With only seconds on the throttle you'll notice your well in the 100's and very easy to lose your license. Happy driving 👌🏼

@davothegreat9990

2 ай бұрын

​@CRUMB. It's fast but not that fast. What you're saying is true for most cars

@megax2152

2 ай бұрын

@@CRUMB. I took the 130n demo for a test drive around Sydney it packs alot of power but also very smooth to control. Thanks for the advice though

@CurtisLSA

2 ай бұрын

@@davothegreat9990 the guy is talking like it’s a 3 second to 100 car lol

@derser541

2 ай бұрын

​@@CRUMB. buddy it's only a couple seconds faster than most 2.5 tonne soccer mum SUV's to get to 100, time to tone it down a bit

You’re a champion Paul, the way you actually engage with your viewers and research what they comment. I wonder if this octane learning curve also works on other N or N Line vehicles. I’m looking forward to your review on the Sonata N Line, and see how that compares to the i30N/i30 Sedan N. Would be awesome if you post a drag race between the cars, I’m surprised no channel has posted a drag race between the two, it’s almost as if Hyundai doesn’t want car channels to do so.

@lukemothug3744

2 ай бұрын

Octane Learning is Only for the i30 n sedan Sam Car legion channel did a race between the pre-facelift of both Sonata N-Line and The Elantra N (I30 N).

@russell3436

2 ай бұрын

@@lukemothug3744 not a fan of his channel, his results aren’t accurate, he uses amatuer drivers on his channel and every race has a different result.

Thanks for revisiting this Paul. I was reading my manual the other day and I think it does octane learning cycles at various stages thoughout the fuel tank usage as well

This is why i love and consider this the Best Australian car reviewer out there !!!!! Paul and Car Expert you guys produce great automotive content. ❤❤

@lukemothug3744

2 ай бұрын

Driving Enthusiast is not bad either.

Great content. I don't think many (or any) of the other Australian car review channels/websites would have revisited this.

Thank you for doing this video. It makes such a difference. Appreciate you guys and your channel for this. You're probably the first and only ones to have made a video about this. Now add in ngs, and it should be just at if not a little below the advertised 0-100kph number.

Nice work, Paul. 👍

Great Paul for the redoing the test. Process is a bit frustrating

I don’t understand why Hyundai made it so difficult to activate. You literally have to break the speed limit on the motorway in most of Australia, and then next thing you know it’s reset anyway. Probably just going to get a tune since it’s such a pain, shame I have to risk voiding warranty to get what the car offers (when it feels like it) stock. I always fill up with 98 just give me the boost. 😢

@megax2152

2 ай бұрын

It depends though the car is still really loud for stock. I'm going to get mine tuned when the warranty ends

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

@@megax2152 It’s the power I’m after

@CarExpertAus

2 ай бұрын

There are 2 ways to activate it, we chose this as it was the simplest method. However, if you arrive at a racetrack to do a track day there is another method that avoids the need for constant high speed.

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

@@CarExpertAus Thanks for the info (and the video). I want to enjoy the extra oomf day to day on the road though…

@davothegreat9990

2 ай бұрын

​@@adamb8552buy another car. This car isn't that quick.

So you turn up at the lights, look across at your opponent, and have to shout out that you will race them in 15 minutes or so after you go for a cruise down the highway, wait here. What a feature! Why aren’t all sports cars like this?

@LukeEsther

2 ай бұрын

only needs to be done once per refuel, and it will probably happen in the first drive after you refuel anyway

@rsoul7282

2 ай бұрын

@@LukeEsther once per refuel still seems massively inconvenient, especially on a small sedan driven that is likely going to be largely driven around urban areas. There is vanishingly few reasons why you would tune an engine like this, unless you had grave concerns about aforementioned engine’s ability to sustain such a level of performance, in which case, why would you bother to include such a convoluted method of unlocking it?

@unintentionallyfire

2 ай бұрын

@@rsoul7282 there's probably no need to do this if you're getting fuel from the same bowser. And it's not like you have to do this procedure...you can say the same thing about launch control generally having "such a convoluted method of unlocking it".

@derser541

2 ай бұрын

​@@rsoul7282 You seem to forget that it's 100% optional process to access a little bit of extra power. No one is forcing you to use it.

@rsoul7282

2 ай бұрын

@@derser541 I totally agree with what you and the dude above you are saying, my beef is why the manufacturer would include such a process. Modern engine management systems should not need 5 minutes of high speed driving to adjust their tune, it just seems strange why they went down this path. Anyway, I don’t work for Hyundai, they are a reputable company with excellent engineers, I’m sure they have their reasons.

Thanks Paul. An excellent video.

Actually reading comments and giving the audience what they want. 10/10 stuff, CE!

We need to retest… after octane learned you didn’t use the NGS overboost button. There is another 2/10th to come off… so procedure is octane learn for 5 mins, then activate launch control, then hit NGS and your away! I know ridiculous

@aminefaddag5332

22 күн бұрын

Only use ngs after shifting to second gear, that was it doesn't spin so much on first gear because of the 10 extra HP (overboost) Test have been done showing that's the most optimal way :)

Did you press NGS button ?

Good to know, I 'll get my learner drivers to try this out in the dual-control Sedan N! ;D

Thanks for the video! What is the app that you are using to calculate your 01-00 km/h time?

As a fellow Elantra N owner, octane learning is soon to make me a former Elantra N owner. My OCD is through the roof and I cannot stand it.

Saabs own "Trionic5" inhouse engine management did this back in 1993.

Renault sport cars have a similar function. There is a parameter called slow knock timing correct. It resets back to zero if you cruise between 70-90 kph for a few minutes in top gear.

@kennethprocak5176

2 ай бұрын

All the Renault turbos do it, not just sport, fussy logic recalibrate after a few hard acceleration inputs.

Does it stay active once you've set it, or does it reset itself?

Does it only do it when you fill the tank? Does it have to do it every day or at every fill up?

Hi Paul, any chance reviewing Sonata N Line 2024? Cheers

Would be good if it stayed learned for the whole tank but it constantly unlearns itself multiple times throughout. What’s worse is apparently the learned state isn’t extra power but only the 206kw Hyundai advertises, so the majority of the time when you’re driving around with 15-16psi its only about 180-190kw

@chrismensforth2763

2 ай бұрын

This is the part that frustrates me. I can only access my full stated power in the brochure when Jupiter aligns with Saturn.. that too; if my chakras move out of alignment, I have to get Jupiter to align with Saturn again to begin the process again. I LOVE the car that it is when it's octane learned, I hate the disappointment when it unlearns two ignition cycles later. It has the highest tendency of octane learning when I've got 120km left in the tank. How am I supposed to enjoy THAT!!

@cadyeaman7017

2 ай бұрын

@@chrismensforth2763 Hahaha yeah i agree, hurts even more that the hatch doesn’t have the feature. wish hyundai was more transparent about it, definitely would’ve reconsidered getting the sedan

@danielcave7065

2 ай бұрын

@@chrismensforth2763how do you know when it’s doing it? Just by the psi readings on the dash when your doing hard pulls?

@shamalabadingdong

2 ай бұрын

​@@cadyeaman7017as an EN owner this is completely untrue. You make advertised power without octane learning. Octane learned, these cars dyno at 270 whp (sxth element inhouse dyno). On the same dyno, the veloster N makes 230whp(while being advertised as only 1 less HP). Making 230-240 whp would be the advertised 276 crank HP, which the car more than makes without octane learning. The EN is so underrated in power, even when you're not octane learned you're getting more than promised. It's not a coincidence the EN is rated at the same HP and torque as the r34 gtr (that famously broke the gentleman's agreement by being very underated in HP). Again, the EN dynos at like 40 more whp than the VN, that's like 50hp crank. Hyundai knows this, everyone knows the EN makes significantly more power than the VN does stock because of their turbo. The extra 1hp rating (276 vs 275) is bogus, the car is super underrated in power.

@ItsPaulby

Ай бұрын

I agree, very frustrating and easily the worst thing about the N cars.

Now I’m even more intrigued. The same engine is in the i30N Hatch, Kona N & this i30N Sedan. All claim 206kw & 392nm. Both the Hatch & Kona will show 18psi without octane learning, as they don’t have it. The Sedan will only go to 18psi AFTER octane learning. So without it being in octane learning mode, it’s making less than the advertised power??? As it’s quite possible that an owner may never get it into octane learning mode, as it has to be done every time fuel is put in the car. So then you might only be getting 185kw & 340nm without octane learning. So could that be False Advertising??? We need Paul & the Car Expert crew to get an i30N Hatch & Sedan & put them on a dyno & then dyno the sedan after octane learning.

What timer are you using?

Wondering if the i20n has octane learning also?

Respect

Only the Sedan has octane learning. The hatch (pre facelift and facelift) and Kona N get 19-20psi out of the box :)

@S.Madman

Ай бұрын

Nope the Kona N has it too. The one park in my driveway says so. And it's only 18 PSI. 14-15 when not OL.

@Justjosh_au

Ай бұрын

@@S.Madman that cant be right, the Kona N should have the same base tune as the DCT Hatch. are you from the U.S?

@S.Madman

Ай бұрын

@@Justjosh_au Yep, check the owner's manual.

I don’t understand why it needs it if it has a full array of knock sensors? I thought octane learning mode happened every tenth of a second in a modern engine?

29 degrees hot? In Perth that is a cool change. 42 degrees is a bit uncomfortable, but it was a regular temperature in Perth this summer.

@aussiegruber86

2 ай бұрын

42 degrees a bit uncomfortable? On the sun it’s millions of degrees Celsius on a cool day.

paul can u do an offroad comparison of the top spec offroad models in 4x4 suvs? e.g Landcruiser 300 GR SPORT vs Nissan Patrol Warrior.

What I would like to know is will it up boost if you use E85. Most tuned cars run E85 as it is less prone to detonation, so you can put more timing in. Knock sensors take timing out. I wonder if the computer is actually trying to safely provide power.

Yeah, to know if your N car is it its optimum power setting watch the boost gauge. It should easily go over 16psi ant hit 18/19 psi if you floor it. Some say it will reset back once you refill your car. 🤷🏻‍♂️. This is true for cars that has this octane learning function. Some region does not have it, I believe.

Is this a thing in the i30N hatch (well the fastback in my case)? I've got a post-facelift DCT one. We don't get the Sedan N here in NZ.

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

Nope

what's about NGS with Octane Learning Mode?

Stuff that mucking around tune it with 22psi standard boost

awesome

I wonder what it would do if you ran race fuel in it? (100-110 octane)

This is a really nice car.

What fuel are you using? My Kona N without learning drive (at over 110KPH) will still peak at 19PSI boost on RON98 fuel

@JC94

2 ай бұрын

My Kona hits 19psi on e10 🤣 none of it makes sense

@Foghorn_Lebhorn

2 ай бұрын

There is no octane learning on Kona N's. You get the full beans straight out of the box.

@chrismensforth2763

Ай бұрын

Foghorn's right. All other 2.0L N power trains are delivered 19psi by default, it's only the Sedan N they did this monstrosity to.

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

​@Foghorn_Lebhorn You are 100% completely wrong there. Kona Ns definitely have octane learning

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

Octane learning doesn't only affect boost, it also affects ignition timing. On 93 octane in Florida, I usually get 18psi average learned on 93 octane. If I go North to MN for example to an area where they only have 91, I get 19-20psi. The torque target in the end is about the same. It compensates by adjusting both boost and timing for the given fuel.

What phone app is that to record the 0-60 etc? :D

@pichkari1632

2 ай бұрын

Draggy. You need to buy hardware for it first and then install the app.

The only way to keep the octane learning all the time is filling the tank no more than 95-105 miles from E which is about 3.0-3.2 gallons of gas or less then when you do let the car idle for about a 1 min for the ECU to read the 93 fuel then drive down the road NORMALLY for about a mile or so then switch to N mode and punch it in D4 watch the psi gage read 18psi+ and you're good. Rinse & repeat if you fill full tank itll reset the boost. 🏁

@iFly555

Ай бұрын

You'll be at the gas station every day? if you only have 100mi of fuel in your tank. I just feel there should be some sort of option to have it "octane learned" all the time, especially if you're putting in premium fuel each time. Maybe something to disable it, if for w/e reason you're in a situation where you have to put something lower than premium.

@Jcastro9444

Ай бұрын

@iFly555 if I'm paying for my EN ,I want the full power lol I don't mind going to a gas station every other day. It's worth it imo

Would be good if you could compare the 2023 Type R vs the N around Philip island track or Sandown race course.

Now you know why pple are getting 5sec 0-100 times on Fay's where the weather is cooler = denser oxygen = better turbo and engine performance

How does the ECU technically "learn" the octane of the fuel? It's not as if it has the equivalent of an ethanol content sensor, otherwise it would be almost immediate without any driving around at certains speeds for 13 minutes. I can only assume it''s using the knock sensor and looking for values before it unlocks more boost. I think the RPM limit when cold is more valuable than this protection "feature", but I suppose if it saves a engine, all good. No use for anyone that only puts 98 in all the time though.

@pseudonym4957

Ай бұрын

It'd use data from the O2 sensors in the exhaust combined with knock percentage and constant load and airflow to validate the fuel and timing - ie, puts the combustion process into a known result test where any deviations produce measurable results. It's less learning the octane more validating the target fuel burnability (is that a word lol)

@RichLion

Ай бұрын

@@pseudonym4957 Should have just put a sticker on the fuel cap saying "98RON only". Easy fix for what would have been a very technical "solution".

Does anyone know if the US version Hyundai Elantra N has this process, or is it strictly an 130N feature. I would hope it is not, and the Elantra N can manage its own octane and give the car it's full boost potential without having to run through that whole process.

@punemax

Ай бұрын

It does.

I tried it on my Elantra N mt6 but I only get 17 psi . Only one time I got it to go 18/19 . What’s the secret does anyone know?

NGS button?

I wonder if the 2.5T in the Mazda 3/6 makes you jump through such hoops🤔

@russell3436

2 ай бұрын

It doesn’t, it’s not a performance tuned engine, it’s mainly designed as a torquey highway cruiser.

@klasseact6663

2 ай бұрын

@russell3436 our 2.0T is basically the same thing, thus shouldn't have this "learning curve"😔🤔🙄

@Iscrnd

2 ай бұрын

It does not. I have a CX30 TPP and the car gives you the full 250HP on 93 octane immediately after pulling out of the gas station, with no settings adjustments or anything. I don't understand why Hyundai is requiring all these ridiculous steps. Also, the Mazda Turbo engine with AWD is wicked quick, I'm really impressed with it. I'll be selling it for the Elantra N, as it's not nearly as fun, but it is certainly just as fast, if not faster with AWD on premium fuel

Okay.. Octan learning + N mode + ngs = faster 😂... Try this

Recipe for LSPI.

Bloody stupid idea. Hyundai advertise and sell you a car with 206Kw and 400Nm but don't let you utilise the full amount of power unless you jump through hoops and do back flips every time you fill up the tank. What a joke. Just buy the hatch, better looking car and you don't need to mess around with octane learning like you do with the sedan. Hopefully they don't add it to the update on the hatch when it comes.

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

The hatch is also significantly slower due to having a smaller turbo. Octane learning is annoying, but it isn't that big of a deal. Just get a tune and forget about it.

Before activating the O mode, you will get a ticket from cops😅

What a noticeable difference, it's a cool feature to actually adjust accordingly to the actual octane level of the gas you have in the tank. Curious if it needs to relearn every time or does it only reset per fill-up?

@jwazftw4200

2 ай бұрын

Resets each refuel of any amount.

@JoseMariArceta

2 ай бұрын

@@jwazftw4200 Makes sense. I guess its a "track day" type of option for more power

Nice vid, why was NGS with octane learning not tested?

@CarExpertAus

2 ай бұрын

We used the fastest mode from our last video.

Remember when you could just disconnect the battery for 20min and give it a good flogging and there you go, octang learned yo 😂 it was a simpler time, a better time

When are you going to review the latest range rover autobiography???

@CarExpertAus

2 ай бұрын

Have no plans to at this stage.

Try NGS

We're not far from people spending their spare hour on a Sunday sitting in the car pushing buttons like prepping an Airbus A380 for take off. Then you have to go back inside again because the missus is yelling at you.

Did they implement this feature because of the many, many engine failures Hyundai has suffered??

No matter what i tried on my 2019 i30 Fastback N the wheels always spun. There is jsut too much power at the front. The N cars need AWD.

Is Overboost Octane learning mode worth the effort of enabling for .2 of a second?

@oggyoggy1299

Ай бұрын

No. It’s one of the stupidest/clumsiest features ever put into a car.

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

Not as noticeable 0-60 where the extra power causes more traction issues unless you have some good tires until you get moving. Octane learning accounts for a full half a second in the 1/4 mile on my Kona N, which is pretty significant. That's like a 50hp difference or so. It's very noticeable. Annoying, but prior to being tuned, I'd just fill up once every week or two, go for a quick ride down the highway. As long as you have a highway accessible, not that big of a deal. That being said, he was able to shave a full half a second off his 0-100 here, not .2.

ngs is missing haha

Octane learning < B58 : )

@davothegreat9990

2 ай бұрын

Far from a b58.😂

@zaamuro8408

2 ай бұрын

@@davothegreat9990 maybe he is thinking of the b48 four

@paulsimpson8990

2 ай бұрын

B58 with MHD 💪

@davothegreat9990

2 ай бұрын

@@paulsimpson8990 ridiculous!

The extra boost activation is Returded

🤓 IS OCTANE LEARNING MODE ON THE HYANDAI I120 N ???????????????

Seems like a really ridiculous process but worth it 😂

lol. good stuff. you still didn't hit the NGS lol. 🤭

@CarExpertAus

2 ай бұрын

We tried it last time and it was marginally slower to use NGS.

@NBABY-J

2 ай бұрын

@CarExpertAus you have to use it with the OL. You also have to know when to hit it. But at least you tried

@CarExpertAus

2 ай бұрын

@@NBABY-J Yep - was slower when we used NGS both with and without octane learning morning.

@NBABY-J

2 ай бұрын

@@CarExpertAus prerty weird.

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

@@NBABY-J It makes sense, traction is already an issue so more power = less traction. NGS is for taking off in motion/overtaking rather than drag racing.

How exactly are you expected to activate that in real world...

Be much better if you didn't have to do all that to get the car to perform to it's peak, why wouldn't they just make so when you N mode you get 18-19 psi.

Crackle tune included lol ?

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah

@CurtisLSA

2 ай бұрын

@@adamb8552 god help us

@CurtisLSA

2 ай бұрын

@@adamb8552 time to get the ear plugs out again

@mwboost

2 ай бұрын

Apparently it was hyundai messing around with anti lag and they left it that way. Not sure how it's legal stock in Aus these days lol. They let off gun shots every now and then.

The ideal 0-100 max is 15 seconds.

Take a drink every time Paul says “octane learning mode”

Can you activate this mode in the 120n ?

Every N car should be rear wheel drive. I don't get why not.

One more info fore u guys... Less than 10 Litres gas = no need to do octan learning 😂👍👌

Please do the same with the cx9 using 98 fuel

What a ridiculous sequence of events to activate this mode… just get the car to your local dyno tuner and enjoy the car at 19 psi. All the time …

@mharro88

2 ай бұрын

Can't tune this model yet

Retest please because it looks from 0-100km/h like in 2-3 business days

Octane learning is ridiculous for 2024. Car should of been premium fuel only. Its a performance car after all.

Makes no sense why wouldnt they just put a switch in the computer…

This is exactly what an ECU gets rid of and yes, i know it could void your warranty but I've seen a video of Brentwood Hyundai in Canada that actually embeaces mods like this, what a concept🤔

Or you just get it tuned and run 5 flat 0 to 100 with 23 PSI. No need to ocatne learn.

Gimmics 🤷🏻‍♂️ just take your car for remapping on 99 momentum, shell, esso and keep filling the good juice

Glad the hatch doesn’t have this stuff.

The fact you have to do this is silly. One of the reasons I don't have my Kona N anymore, besides sensor failures non stop.

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

Really not that big of a deal. That being said, I ended up tuning my KN so I didn't have to worry about it anymore. 2 years / 40k miles and zero sensor issues. Haven't had one single issue whatsoever with the car yet.

What a drama just to get the performance it should have out of the box. Who could be bothered with all this bollocks. Get in, start, press the go juice.

silly learning mide more like it lol

Hyundai are so silly running this tune. I have Kona N and it will pull 18psi anytime, any temperature. Hit NGS and it will pull 19/20 psi everytime. Add better tyres , I use Potenza sports and I will regularly pull close to 5 seconds flat. I was open to updating to this Sedan but the silly octane learning rules that out imo. It resets at every fuel stop so how is it safe on a public road to go through that garbage learning. The 130 N hatch like the Kona does not have this tune.

@apexcobra.official

Ай бұрын

Kona N DOES have octane learning... At least US models.

Ridiculous that you have to do that!

Uncessary sequence, Hyundai change this

I hate to brake it to all the Hyundai N fans but this is definitely not anything special.

@Symphoniics

2 ай бұрын

You don’t know what you’re talking about

@CrystalNinja07

Ай бұрын

You've never driven an N. So obvious.

Drive for 5 mins above 120 , where ????? 😂

Just buy a manual hatch so ya don’t have to worry about this 🙄

@SeanGT83

2 ай бұрын

Smirks in grey manual hatch ownership 😂

@adamb8552

2 ай бұрын

Kind of defeats the point if you’re worried about acceleration since a manual hatch isn’t faster octane learning or not

@derser541

2 ай бұрын

People buying these cars can't drive manual. Mostly just attention seeking douches who think everyone is impressed by their fake exhaust crackle. Sooo impressive

@mharro88

2 ай бұрын

It's slower.

All that nonesense just to get an addtional .5 sec ? seems pointless

How stupid.. Octane learning mode.. It's like waiting for Tesla batteries to warm up even if it's at operating temp, before you can properly launch it..

Nos...😅

What a joke! Not everyone can drive on a bowl to activate octane learning!