all you need is 1 reason...LeBron isn't the absolute killer MJ was...

@Terror832

3 жыл бұрын

Booker and Crowder combined to go 14/19 from three Michael Jordan with his “killer instinct, competitive drive, will to win, assassins mentality” would’ve held them to 0/19 from three

@johncena4096

3 жыл бұрын

the absolute killer who was mentally done after 93 and 98?

@Ballfondler624

3 жыл бұрын

@@johncena4096 yeh people don’t wanna talk about that

@Ballfondler624

3 жыл бұрын

@@Terror832 you can say that but what proof do you have?

@johncena4096

3 жыл бұрын

@Bee G and Jordan winning without pippen or Phil Jackson is something that jordan never did

MJ accomplished more in less time than Lebron

@patrickdiew2271

3 жыл бұрын

🙌🏾

@Slyrock-1000

3 жыл бұрын

PREACH!

@marlowstanfield6815

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS!

@brando4422

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan only played 11 seasons! 86 hurt, 94 95 retired. The Wizard seasons were to make his stake in the team more valuable. Imagine thr numbers if he played those 3 lost years and still pisses me off not keeping it together in 99 season.

@sabbathoneseveneight8643

3 жыл бұрын

@@brando4422 not to mention three years in college. Lebron skipped college.

Remember when Micheal Jordan walked out of a game because his team was getting destroyed? Me neither.

@jaikohaal

3 жыл бұрын

💀💀

@Historicutuber

3 жыл бұрын

Damn

@doudy2k5

3 жыл бұрын

lmao facts

@THE.HARE.JORDAN

3 жыл бұрын

Even on the wizards he didn't do that

@IgnorancEnArrogance

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny because everyone right now keeps saying "oh he's old in his 18th season without his right hand man and a sprained ankle".......so? I thought the GOAT was supposed to be the best all the time and win no matter the cost and leave everything on the court. LeBron straight up stopped trying this season, it wasn't that he couldn't, he chose not to.

LeBron: *Joins hall of famers* MJ: *Creates a hall of famer*

@xaviervega468

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry but that's a BS narrative as well, Phil Jackson and the coaching staff had just as much to do with that. And most of all Scottie Pippen himself.

@mikeb9618

3 жыл бұрын

@@xaviervega468 Sounds like you're a LeFanBoi lol Jordan makes people around him better...LBJ makes players worse lol

@xaviervega468

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeb9618 Funny how he didn't make anyone better until Pippen, Grant, and Phil Jackson came along And no I still have Jordan above James. I'm just not a blind hater or a Jordan jock sniffer. I call it how I see it either way.

@mikeb9618

3 жыл бұрын

@@xaviervega468 He made everyone you just listed and more better lol And well at least you arent dumb..its obvious that LBJ has fallen out of the Top 5 with his most recent loss with his stacked Lakers

@xaviervega468

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeb9618 I still have him top 3. 4 rings and 4 FMVP's is 4 rings and 4 FMVP's anyway you slice it . He just ain't better than MJ, and you can make an argument for Kareem. No shame in that. I believe once you reach a certain level you can't really go backward. Other people can pass you, but I have never heard of people judging someone's legacy year by year until Lebron James came along.

Before game 5 against Dallas in 2011 the big question was asked. “Will LeBron be able to stop Jason Terry?” That question ended to GOAT conversation. Jason Terry was a very good ROLE player, but ppl forget he was also 34 or 35 & starting to think about retiring. He outscored LeBron & dominated him offensively & defensively for large portions of games. Remember when they wondered if Jordan could stop & score against Jeff Hornecek on Utah? No

The fact that people compare these two is hilarious alone. MJ was a different mold

@alltheworldsastage8597

3 жыл бұрын

They need some things to talk about no matter how false it may be!

@StevenH86d

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯💯

@robertjacob8765

3 жыл бұрын

@Richard Charles MJ is simply the guy that Lebron doesn't beat in a series. Lebron did have a weak mentality even in his early prime year's. Either Jason Terry was shutting Lebron down or Lebron melted in the finals against the Mavs. The more Lebron grew into a better mentality he also began having some defensive woes. The more clutch Lebron became, he definitely wasn't as athletic anymore. He never had all his tools at one time. MJ was at the height of his prime in every aspect of his game at once, for about 7-8 years straight. His basketball IQ, athleticism, mentality, defense, offense, will, competitiveness etc, were all pretty much at their height during that 7-8 year span. When Lebron's athleticism was at it's height, he lacked mentality. As Lebron became more clutch and a better shooter, he also had 2 season's that he was dead last in the league for getting back on the defensive end. Lebron plays one style which is a great one, and that's all-around. When Pippen would have single digit scoring games in the playoffs, MJ would score a ridiculous amount of points to pick up the slack. And then he would let those teammates know about it in the locker room. He set an example on the court and then confronted teammates in the locker room. That's how MJ elevated his teammates on and off the court. Lebron is a slightly better passer but he has more of a tendency to keep passing rather than become a pure scorer when needed. Lebron is also known to be more friendly in the locker room which has proven to have less impact on teammates, which has resulted in some more finals losses. The will and mentality of MJ put more fear in teammates and opponents than I've seen from Lebron after watching both. MJ almost averaged a triple double while scoring over 30 in the only season he was asked to do so. So he's very capable of carrying a team similar to Lebron while still scoring and defending on a higher level, in an era that played much slower. So he had much less plays to get his 30/8/8. I'll explain the reason MJ didn't continue playing that style too. What many don't know is, MJ had the lowest surrounding scoring cast of teammates among all the star player's throughout history, to still win a title. So that left quite the offensive load on him. That's why his game became more about scoring and stops rather than triple doubles. MJ does what it takes to win championships while Lebron plays his game consistently and it results in some wins. Plus the most advanced criteria given yet has MJ way ahead of the pack. The only criteria given to put Lebron slightly ahead of MJ has been proven biased and also puts quite a few ahead of Lebron himself. So Lebron isn't even goat under any criteria given yet. MJ is hands-down the goat. People will have fun trying to figure out where Lebron belongs on the all-time greats list after he retires. Definitely behind Jordan. Even if he accomplishes much more, he could never be better than Jordan prime for prime. Maybe after Lebron retires people will actually compare him to some of the other greats, that some young and inexperienced media propelled him ahead of without ever measuring them up first. Also, MJ is 11-0 in championship games if you count NBA, NCAA, Olympics etc. And these two guy's are compared as individuals not by their teams. If they had the same win% in boxing, MJ would automatically be considered an all-time great while Lebron would be considered a journey man. If they played against each other in any given era, Lebron may make more finals due to longevity, but MJ would go undefeated everytime they faced-off. Who knows if Lebron would have even grown into a champion mentality if MJ had stood in his way. Lebron obviously didn't grow into that mentality until his second year with Miami, after stacking the deck during his prime to have an unfair advantage over the rest of the league for years to come, in his mind. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 etc, in his own words. He didn't know him and Wade wouldn't compliment each other well. And too bad he didn't put the work in or he may have beat the Mavs. But instead he just melted. MJ may have lost in the first round against one of the best super teams ever, but he put up 60 trying to fight through. He just didn't have the supporting cast at the time to prevail. Lebron may have made many finals appearances but he also played in the weakest eastern conference of any era. Least win totals for the top 8 seeds and anybody can look that up. Wade and the Heat gave the blueprint to beating the Pistons the year before Lebron beat them. And those Pistons struggled ever since the Heat broke them. People can brag about Lebron beating the 73-9 Warriors team, but they had no business in the finals. Steph and Klay were young and declining each playoff round. That team almost got beat the series before. Curry just wasn't ready for the big stage. Just the year before, Iguodala came off the bench to get MVP over Curry in the finals. Only reason that team had so many wins is because Kerr revolutionized the game with best two shooter's ever to share the court. But they wasn't a fraction of what they were in the regular season when the playoffs bagan. MJ may have never beat a team with that kind of record, but that was because his team was the Juggernaut team to beat, except Jordan elevated his game in the playoffs unlike the young splash brothers. MJ may get surpassed one day, but Lebron won't be the guy to do it. He's already been too much of a failure. MJ = reigning GOAT.

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

Bro the fact that this video exists makes humanity stupid. Y’all live in a rock if you guys don’t compare these two. Y’all a bunch of wagon riders who only watch 70’s basketball. Y’all arguments are weak, and they’ve been uses

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asian2706 70s ? ? MJ played in the 90s. Go watch tennis. Lol.

Jordan in his prime had a killer instinct. Even Kobe had that, Lebron can’t even hold a candle to either of them.

@petermapp5988

2 жыл бұрын

You re preaching good

@petermapp5988

2 жыл бұрын

@JustKilledIt21 if you only know how many millions agree with your thinking

@petermapp5988

2 жыл бұрын

@JustKilledIt21 if you only know how many millions agree with your thinking

@kuzzxqagency2948

2 жыл бұрын

Lebron has a totally different play style then Kobe and Jordan they were scorers you could expect 40-50 and score in the tough , biggest moments lebron however is great is his own way he knows how to make his teammates better he understands the game real well he’s good at al aspects of the game which is why he’s in the goat debate yes he doesn’t have the rings than Jordan and Kobe but his ability to be held accountable and lead 3 different organizations to 9 straight nba finals and the fact that his all around game is so unique he can he’s got a little bit of everything in his game he /can pass rebound block , his leadership and iq are way better than any other player he’s just different from Kobe and Jordan in his own way you might not have him better than Jordan but his play-style is completely different so let’s not hate on him for what he has accomplished and he is certainly better than Kobe

@nuge1717

2 жыл бұрын

Bird and Magic had it too..They both hated losing, where Lebron doesnt seem to upset by it

When MJ got beaten Orlando Magic in the 1995 playoff, he still congratulated his opponents

MJ inspired millions of people to be the best version of themselves. He was a cultural phenomenon that transcended basketball and made it a worldwide success. I don't care how many statistical records LeBron breaks or how many more championships he wins, you cannot recreate the impact and talent MJ had. People who knew nothing about basketball, didn't care about basketball or sports, loved Michael Jordan and could understand his greatness with no frame of reference at all.

@roquemikemartinez6665

3 жыл бұрын

Now this is the absolute truth.

@madowl1474

3 жыл бұрын

In fact, LeBron did the opposite. What MJ built in terms of game popularity, LeBron he single handedly manage to destroy and make people stop watching the NBA (ratings).

@recklezz2k488

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on! Because of MJ we never thought that impossible is unattainable. while for this debate, they just let those who lose interest in watching NBA knows that there is a next MJ or much better than MJ. It happens to Kobe which is the the closest thing to MJ.

@tsumardi

3 жыл бұрын

True. Not an NBA fan but love the entire bulls team in the 80s-90s

@earlsimpson3393

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it!

Quality vs Quantity Jordan achieved more in fewer career years. LeBron achieved more stats because of his longevity in the league (and other factors mentioned below).

@robloxstephencurry2148

3 жыл бұрын

FINALLLLY SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS.....................

@robloxstephencurry2148

3 жыл бұрын

u a real one

@tyrionlannister8

3 жыл бұрын

Not only that but under the Lebron system, he controls the offense at all times, making his teammates stay in the corner while he runs down the shot clock

@jxnsenm0

3 жыл бұрын

@Kaden Williams no one said he wasn’t.

@moety2

3 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the league is softer and is easier for offenses. So a lot of those numbers he has are inflated. That’s not his fault but that’s the reality.

The way they go straight to LeBron and jump over Kobe it's just ridiculous.

@d3m1g0d4

2 жыл бұрын

Very ridiculous

Finally someone highlighted the “moments” MJ had. MJ has moments when it mattered

@tiernancollins3730

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydros25 he averaged 36 13 and 9 in a series 😭😂 how can you say this

Michael Jordan made millions of people watch basketball, LeBron James made millions of people turn it off.

@jamesgarter7571

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator entertainment is subjective man - but he's my anecdotal FACT - Lebron is okay to watch, MJ's game gave me goosebumps

@relaxstaycalm1906

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator Jon was trying to say MJ made NBA popular around the globe that is the truth. Players today able to enjoy huge salary and contracts thanks to MJ

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator That's why I wrote 'anecdotal' man but be for real, Lebron is boring compared to MJ

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@Clan leader Predator settle down my man, I said Lebron's kind of boring (HE IS!), I still enjoy the game - as for Lebron vs Jordan well too many people don't really know and believe nonsense like Nick Wright so I happily present real facts when needed for complete context (which proves MJ is the GOAT

MJ never been dethrone as Champion and Final MVP. He just simply retire. After 2 3peats. No one or team dethrone MJ.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

But jordans ass got owned in the 80s, how can he beat magic in 5 games but cannot even win a single game vs bird ?

@mortem7617

3 жыл бұрын

@@dynamic6645 because the celtics had 5 hall of famers and bird is one of the top ten players of all time. The bulls only had 3 players scoring double digits, mj averaged 37.1, charles oakly had 14.5 pts per game, and paxon averaged 11.3, gene banks averaged 9.7 pts. This bulls team was the 86-87 bulls i chose this team because the celtics were still dominant this year and mj didnt have a broken foot this year. Here are the stats www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1987.html

@Machozz

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he got his shit handed to him in the 1995 playoffs.

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@Machozz LeMickey lost to Dwigh Howard in the 2009 ECF.

@Machozz

3 жыл бұрын

@@allanhouston6759 ok.... and? This bum said no team has ever dethroned MJ, and I gave him a reality check, that Jordan got his ass handed to him in the second round of 1995 playoffs. Did i lie?

When I go back and what old videos of Jordan, it’s shocking how much tougher the defense looked compared to the modern era. That says a lot about Jordan abilities and also of the abilities of the players of his era.

@Riqharris

2 жыл бұрын

That era was not that good on defense especially against mj. They were body slamming him bc they couldn’t guard them but ppl called that defense

@JS-nd1po

2 жыл бұрын

MJ would easily average 40 points a game in todays league.

@Riqharris

2 жыл бұрын

@@JS-nd1po not as easy as it was back then. It’s more freedom but now u gotta think about it. Most guards are his size or bigger than him. Back then he was 6’6 210 and most 2 guards were smaller than him. At that size it’s lamelo ball, Cade Cunningham etc.

@westville1916

2 жыл бұрын

@@Riqharris you're totally wrong dude

@szoxsrobert8979

2 жыл бұрын

the "90s tough defense" is just a myth...after the bad boys were no more the east was just a cake walk

Mike Jordan is the GOAT! He's also the Blue Print. Every 6'4" to 6'7" guard coming into the league with a little game is automatically said to be the "next Michael Jordan" or my favorite tag "baby Jordan". And as we know none of them reach that level of greatness. That's an unrealistic expectation of anyone. We may never see a two way player as skilled, and completely free of flaws as Jordan. The man had no damn weaknesses. The league has been in decline ever since he retired IMHO. Steph Curry and the Warriors brought some excitement back to the league, but nothing like MJ and the Bulls. Well that's my 2 cents worth, I'm out.✌

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

2020/21 season: Lebron James- *Thunderstorm is coming.* and was completely outplayed by Devin Booker. 2018/19 season: Lebron James- *Playoff mode activated* and lost 13 games, managing to win only 8 games. +Missed the Playoffs. Lol.

MJ is clearly better. This debate only exists for ratings on Sports Debate shows.

@hawk1093

3 жыл бұрын

I think we all need to step back and have a serious discussion about where Lebron falls in comparison to Kobe... personally, I have Kobe higher on the GOAT list.

@wavestation999

3 жыл бұрын

@@hawk1093 same, Kobe is the closest thing we have ever seen to Jordan imo, in both playstyle and winning mentality. Kobe has always been number 2 all time for me. Lebron is 3 at the absolute max, but honestly I'd put Bron no higher than 5 all time.

@deejaycraig1725

3 жыл бұрын

Correct 👍👍👍

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

Bro, MJ isn’t even better than Harden let alone LeBron

@captainprivate3768

3 жыл бұрын

@@Asian2706 Wow... Care to explain?

Jordan played more 50 and 60 win teams on his path to rings than LeBron did in less seasons played. Just more proof that LeBron played in a weak conference and was exposed when he got to the Finals, explaining his 6 finals losses.

@jayskiii

3 жыл бұрын

He faced the spurs twice and the kd warriors twice jordans nit beating either

@BlueBolt

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayskiii Jordan would best the Spurs, and beat the KD warriors once

@Cheapness360

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueBolt 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Sf75178

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cheapness360 give up

@bobbyd1632

3 жыл бұрын

@@jayskiii Jordan's best teams beat the spurs and challenge the warriors no question

I feel it’s more appropriate to compare Mj and Kobe then Mj and Lebron. Kobe got as close to being MJ as any player possibly could!

@VersatyleMusicGroup

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@pokemongoprofessoroak7792

2 жыл бұрын

The goat and the son of the goat.

@bucciboi5501

2 жыл бұрын

@@pokemongoprofessoroak7792 not the son more like a little brother

@pokemongoprofessoroak7792

2 жыл бұрын

@@bucciboi5501 little brother, son of the goat, either way. He's better than this le flopper

@bucciboi5501

2 жыл бұрын

@@pokemongoprofessoroak7792 fr

There will never be another MJ in nba history

Bron could have 7 chips for all I care. MJ would still be the 🐐

@justinwilliams9262

3 жыл бұрын

Kareem Abdul Jabbar the Goat not Michael Jordan or LeBron James

@sneakpeekla

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinwilliams9262 then go to a Kareem video and leave this comment there instead

@lllllllliiiiiiiillllllll

3 жыл бұрын

@@sneakpeekla He's a lowkey LeSalty fanboi, he just copied that comment, so at least he get some valid arguement. lol

@justinwilliams9262

3 жыл бұрын

@@lllllllliiiiiiiillllllll your just mad because what I said is true

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinwilliams9262 Moses Malone dropped 31-Points per game on Karrem"s face in the 1981 first round after only averaging 28-Points per game in the regular season. The worst part ? ? Moses Malone had a 42-40 Rockets team, with 0 superstars while Kareem"s Lakers were the defending champions with multiple Hall of Famers and the greatest PG ( Magic ) of all-time. *Kareem, in most of his titles, was not even the best player on his team.....Just stop.*

Actually the stats for Jordan are even more impressive in context, because hand checkwas still here, and teams had less possessions.

@gregking7498

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! More D slower pace and still MJ had 10 scoring titles! Also something like 12 all defense teams and a DPOY. MJ was just different.

@Abbad1579

3 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs Not true. It was banned in 2005. Stop spreading misinformation.

@gregking7498

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, MJ had to deal with hand checking his entire career and played crazy-good defensive squads like Pistons, Heat, Knicks, Jazz.

@stopplzs

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregking7498 Jordan dominated prehistoric defenses

@gregking7498

3 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs dude, you got the wrong guy. I grew up in Philly, I was never an MJ fan. I got no skin in the game, just call it as i see it. If you wanna troll or fight, I got no time for it.

Lebron is not top 5. No way he’s better than Mj, Kareem, magic, bill russell, Kobe, Tim Duncan, shaq and I will still take bird over bron.

@TemoPlaysOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf

@marshallcarter4928

3 жыл бұрын

TemoPlays it’s true. All accomplished more and has done more in way less time. Bron just a stat padder that has manipulated the rules to win. Y’all support these dudes taking shortcuts to win.

@TemoPlaysOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@marshallcarter4928 you shouldn't blame lebron for leaving Cleveland look how much time he wasted with that franchise and they still couldn't find a valuable all-star to help him, he even carried that trash ass team to the finals.

@marshallcarter4928

3 жыл бұрын

TemoPlays no matter how people try to make excuses for it bron took shortcuts to win a championship. Honestly you could argue every championship he’s won has drama behind it. 1st championship was a 50 game season, 2nd championship the ray allen shot, 3rd championship the ridiculous draymond suspension, 4th championship the bubble ring.

@TemoPlaysOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@marshallcarter4928 if you think like that then if it wasn't for Paxon and Kerr MJ would've have 4 rings😂. The Lakers did not had an advantage cause EVERY team had the EXACT the same time to get enough practice before the season start. Stop being delusional

MJ was poetry in motion. He was strong and athletic but graceful. He had an amazing arsenal of moves. LBJ on the other hand is like a bulldozer. He just overpowers his opponents. Eye test is also important to include in these GOAT debates.

Jordan has the record for never losing three games in a row, has the highest assist average in the last thirty years for an NBA finals

@kylestark3611

3 жыл бұрын

He has lost three games in a row lol, he just didn’t do it from 1990 to 1998 which is still amazing

@johnjohnson6338

3 жыл бұрын

I know he lost three in a row before 90 to 98

@getyadoughup6012

3 жыл бұрын

@@kylestark3611 He said he has the record of # of games without losing 3 in a row. Not that he never did

@johnjohnson6338

3 жыл бұрын

He never got swept by the Pistons in the first round

@johnjohnson6338

3 жыл бұрын

He got swept by the Celtics with five Hall of Famers in the first round

Weve been saying all these things for the last 15 years Lebron James teamed up with ESPN and started this debate The only reason its still talked about is because the lebron James cronies that work for lebron keep bringing it up on ESPN

@williebender1895

3 жыл бұрын

Facts he has paid media people

@rahultalkssports1404

3 жыл бұрын

TF? Look I think MJ is the GOAT but how the hell do you know that he hired people at ESPN to start this?!?!?!?

@yvans.

3 жыл бұрын

@@rahultalkssports1404 Dude wake up please. Guys like Jason Williams, Kendrick Perkins, Nick Wright, Acho, are getting paid under the table. They never had blame Bron for anything.

@rahultalkssports1404

3 жыл бұрын

@@yvans. They're terrible analysts and they are MEGA Lebron stans but what proof is there Lebron paid them.

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

3 жыл бұрын

@@rahultalkssports1404 klutch sports does it, you can just tell. Shannon/Nick/Perk etc all had MJ as the goat but as soon as klutch sports got in touch, they got a bigger platform then they started the whole BS “LBJ is the goat” narrative. All while putting down other greats like MJ/Kobe/Curry/KD/Kawhi etc while propping up anything LBJ does. It’s very obvious at this point. Only LBJ fans will continue to deny this.

Here’s my list. LeKaren would need a league MVP, a DPOTY, 2 more championship, 2 more finals MVPs, 3 league steals leaders, 5 more all defensive first team selections, 7 more scoring titles, winning a scoring and DPOTY at the same time along with steals leader, league MVP and all star MVP all in the same year, have a full season of 35.5 PPG, 8 assists, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1.5 blocks averages, have a streak of 9 straight triple doubles with 10 in 11 games, win 2 dunk contests, 2 gold medals, need to add 3 PPG to his career average, and have 1,700 less turnovers, JUST TO TIE Jordan. He will also NEVER be 100% in the finals. Then there’s the issues of him quitting in his team twice (two different teams) and refusing to congratulate Phoenix. Lecrybaby is nowhere near Jordan.

@AkoSiFrance

Жыл бұрын

Wew, Lebron will need a time machine. WTF

@AnHebrewChild

11 ай бұрын

LeKaren ha ha ha. That's one I'd not heard before. 🤣😭

Shannon Sharp needs to see this!

LBJ groupies are already acting like this first round loss vs Suns means nothing. After years of telling MJ fans that losing in the first round is bad all bc they couldn’t get at MJ’s finals losses, so they attacked his first round losses early on lol. Difference here is MJ lost early on in the first vs great/elite teams, not as favorites or coming off a title. Great players lose early on, it happens. LBJ didn’t make the playoffs his first two years. Back to the difference here....LBJ lost as the favorites, coming off a championship, while he was an “MVP candidate” at some point this year, according to his fans/media. Lost to an inexperienced Suns team with a hobbled CP3. In a series where LBJ was getting outscored at certain points in the game by Cameron freaking Payne. It didn’t take long for LBJ fans to go with the “LBJ has no help” card, propping up the Suns after talking shit all week about how “it’s over now LMAO” when LA was up 2-1. Dudes were waiting for 2018 LBJ, said it was gonna happen but are now saying “well he’s 36 & has no help, plus he’s hurt” after losing....worst fan base ever.

@deckle_redd3919

3 жыл бұрын

I like how they were the favorites but their 2 stars were hurt and they were a 7 seed facing a 51 win 2 seed... Lebron has done it so much better than everyone else for so long that everyone’s expectations of him are so high nothing he does satisfies anyone anymore. It’s sad that people like you disregard his greatness just Bc “mj was better”

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

3 жыл бұрын

@@deckle_redd3919 I like how you got everything from Shannon/Nick the two guys who I don’t know....ALWAYS give LBJ excuses. Leave those shit shows alone. Can’t act like they weren’t the favorites just bc they lost now. Y’all LBJ dudes ran y’all mouth even when AD was out talking about how “it’s over”, now that he couldn’t it’s “well he’s old, and AD is missing”. Just like Heat were missing Dragic last year with Butler/Bam hurt, y’all gave them no passes. Just like y’all gave CP3 no passes for being hurt. Y’all really love playing the victim game. It’s sad how you groupies can’t even counter facts or acknowledge y’all hypocrisy so you go with the “hater” card.

@nerdbamarich2063

3 жыл бұрын

No one will dare try and respond to this and if they do they'll look like a fool. I couldn't have said it any better myself.🙏🏾🙏🏾

@nerdbamarich2063

3 жыл бұрын

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx All facts. His stans are the most toxic and delusional to ever grace the earth.

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerdbamarich2063 bro they’re literally the worst lol. Look at them now saying how LBJ was hurt knowing damn well he was fine when he was dunking like nothing. Using it as in excuse when they gave none to CP3 or recently the banged up Heat last year. LBJ was playing passive when needed, scoring mostly in the 3rd when the Suns lead was 20+ points. Blaming everyone but him, even clowning AD calling him soft who was clearly hurt.

Reason 11 Jordan still has more steals and off rebs than Lebron even though Lebron has played 300 more games

@johnkreese1815

3 жыл бұрын

that is sad aff

@jaikohaal

3 жыл бұрын

Underrated stat

@johnhancock1362

3 жыл бұрын

The steals is impressive but expected given Jordan was better on the perimeter and hand checking was allowed. The offensive rebounds? Insane. Lebron is bigger and stronger, yet played majority of his career with no true centers to clog the paint the way Jordan had. And somehow Jordan has more and was a better offensive rebounder. Sheesh.

@IgnorancEnArrogance

3 жыл бұрын

MJ is #4 SPG of all time.

@kingdinodragonite3470

3 жыл бұрын

The fact that Lebron has less offensive rebounds is even more insane considering that most stars are statpadding this days. Westbrook is averaging 12 rebounds a game and let's be honest, he won't be averaging even close to that in the 90s.

LBJ couldn't hold Kobes jock let alone MJs

the stats could be reversed and it wouldnt make a difference to me. my 3 reasons are 1. ive seem lebron check out so many times when his team is down it's sad, 2. lebron's defense is usually detrimental to his team, 3. lebron has nearly destroyed the game - no one wants to watch him play other than to see him lose.

2000s West was ABSOLUTELY the toughest conference of all time 50 games didn’t even guarantee you a playoff spot!

@arya4k156

3 жыл бұрын

oh really cuz what i rmember was 50 wins was a garunted top 4 seed at minimnm kid ur high

@UselessVoidBobo

3 жыл бұрын

The 2008 Playoffs is the best example of that. I believe that every team that got in the playoffs in the west won 50 games.

@williamfeliciano3859

3 жыл бұрын

@@UselessVoidBobo bro that 2008 season was INSANE n the West!

@UselessVoidBobo

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamfeliciano3859 Yeah, the western conference was a blood bath that year. I remember that a 48 wins team didn't made the playoffs that year, I forgot which team was that. All I remember was the 8th seeded Nuggets was 50-32.

@williamfeliciano3859

3 жыл бұрын

@@UselessVoidBobo bro that was the Warriors! They won 48!!! They would have been the 4 seed in the East but didn’t even make the playoffs in the West

JORDAN NEVER GOT SWEPT IN THE FINALS LEBRON HAS

@ykhuang7787

3 жыл бұрын

And twice

@jonathanlaque4248

3 жыл бұрын

In 2014 when he got blown out by the Spurs he lost by a nba-record margin in the finals

@keatoncote6067

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan Goat, but in 2018 with that team nobody ever could even win a game vs that warriors team

@jonathanlaque4248

3 жыл бұрын

@@keatoncote6067 Thats just a opinion bro.

@brianstrutter1501

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan never faced a team in the finals that was superior to his team either so that point is ridiculous

I stopped watching basketball after Jordan retired. That says it all.

Jordan never lost a game. He just ran out of time. LeBron had time left, but ran off the court to the locker room.

Booker outplayed you he was the better player on the night.....and you didn't even stay on the court to congratulate the young man...you walk off...... superstars don't do that

@rp9218

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why he gave him a signed jersey

@logicaldude3611

3 жыл бұрын

@@rp9218 I hope Booker gave Lebron a signed jersey because that's the way it should have been.

Jordan = Rockstar status Worldwide Lbj = I think he plays basketball

@chaddad4046

3 жыл бұрын

Why are you acting like lebron is a scrub? He is an all time great.

@daveyap9317

3 жыл бұрын

@@chaddad4046 yeah all time great at whining and flopping

@rictawheels88

3 жыл бұрын

"I think he plays basketball" is accurate. It's more like "I think he plays NBA basketball." I've seen how he plays. It seems more like blacktop 1v1 basketball.

@classicdufferin8739

2 жыл бұрын

True

@maxpower9175

2 жыл бұрын

Lol yeah, MJ WAS Basketball, Lebron: "isn't he one of those basketball players?"

Hahaha, the category PLAY OFF CHOKES had me rolling!

I don't even watch basketball and I know MJ is the best there's ever been

Bron fans stressed lol

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

3 жыл бұрын

What an emotional week they had. They got all giddy seeing LAC down 0-2, but then saw Nets doing well. Then they see LA have a 2-1 lead, nothing but “oh it’s over now LMAO, 2018 LBJ is back”..then see LAC tie it with Mavs. Then see Nets win out, so happy bc they saw LAC down 3-2 only to see their man LBJ go passive once again when needed which lead to them losing against in inexperienced Suns team. What a roller coaster. I wonder which color pom poms will they be using now...

@4th_tribe_prince

3 жыл бұрын

Somebody @nickwright this video and @shannonsharpe

@tyrionlannister8

3 жыл бұрын

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx Word has it Lebron was crying in the parking lot talking to Dame and Steph after last nights game🤣🤣🤣

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrionlannister8I already seen LBJ groupies making photoshop pictures of Dame/Curry in Lakers jerseys with LBJ lol. Shit is sad, after shit talking Curry all of those years. Wouldn’t be surprised if that dude tries to recruit another all star. This is the first time in awhile where he lost in the playoffs where he’s still under contract & not heading into free agency. Can’t go run & form superteams just yet.

@washburn11000

3 жыл бұрын

facts LeBron fanboys be like 🤬🥵🥵🥵😬😬🥵🥵🥵🤬🤬

People are scared to admit Lebron is started to be outplayed by the newer generation

@roboninja3194

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron was outplayed by Jason Terry in 2011 Finals. Now when has something like that ever happened to Jordan? And during the Finals too?

@stopplzs

3 жыл бұрын

Just like how Jordan was outplayed when he was on the Wizards. It happens to everybody lol

@johnhancock1362

3 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs Jordan was 40 years old, putting up 20 Ppg on 40 percent shooting or higher. In arguably the toughest defensive era ever in early 2000’s.

@stopplzs

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnhancock1362 yea his averages took a noticeable dip and many guys were playing better. The newer generation was outplaying him like my original comment entails

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs yeah no they weren’t until Jordan got injured. Jordan schooled alot of those new guys like Kobe and Garnett.

Lebron has 20min flop compilations on youtube.... Jordan never flopped once. End of discussion lol

@SmoothJK

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I'm gonna look it up

@classicdufferin8739

2 жыл бұрын

@@SmoothJK me too hahahaha so excited

Yo my G, your work on these videos is impeccable!

NEVER AGAIN compare LeFlop to Michael Jordan, NEVER have a goat debate anymore. MJ is light years superior in terms of both character and talent, understand?

@TheGoodShepard31

3 жыл бұрын

The guy below me is right ▶️

@tiktokexposed898

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron already passed Jordan in 2016. Lebron is the goat

@fictionrumble

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiktokexposed898 no

@jaxual

3 жыл бұрын

@Sergio Next no

@theMis4nthrop3

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiktokexposed898 Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤡

Jordan scored 29-30ppg when teams averaged in the high 90s. Lebron scores 27ppg in the easiest time in history to score and amass stats. Why don’t young people understand this game is easier to play now. You can’t compare eras.

@Runforestrun

3 жыл бұрын

In the 98 finals game 6, Jordan scored 45 points. The Bulls as a team only scored 87 points!

great side by side analysis. you did your homework! sub’ed for more

Lebrons goat case is manufactured by the media and constantly forced, since he was a rookie. If someone else lost that much and was in the same situation they would barely even make top 10

@JohnDoe-ld7op

3 жыл бұрын

Durant in the same position and WINNING is barely top 20......

@JohnDoe-ld7op

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBoricuaKnife Durant did cut it, in 2012 he made it to the finals just to get robbed by 3 franchise players. In 2016 Draymond made a example by showing that the refs refused to call his obvious nutkicking fouls which is why he went to GS.

@tsumardi

3 жыл бұрын

Haha hahaha, LeBron c'mon man, watch MJ on how creative he is. Kobe is way better than him, put LeBron against Karl malone, he will eat him up

@mateuszsyrzycki6814

3 жыл бұрын

Because in a Rookies people was know he is mutant. Who is that fast with that hight? Never no one.

@kaukase539

2 жыл бұрын

FACT

Lebron's legacy is when he revolutionized the flopping.😀😀😀

@ressestevenson7309

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😭😭😂

@roquemikemartinez6665

3 жыл бұрын

You ain’t lying.

@dynamic6645

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah cherry pick moments where lebron flops

@Rell559

3 жыл бұрын

This comment is underrated

@robertjacob8765

3 жыл бұрын

MJ is simply the guy that Lebron doesn't beat in a series. Lebron did have a weak mentality even in his early prime year's. Either Jason Terry was shutting Lebron down or Lebron melted in the finals against the Mavs. The more Lebron grew into a better mentality he also began having some defensive woes. The more clutch Lebron became, he definitely wasn't as athletic anymore. He never had all his tools at one time. MJ was at the height of his prime in every aspect of his game at once, for about 7-8 years straight. His basketball IQ, athleticism, mentality, defense, offense, will, competitiveness etc, were all pretty much at their height during that 7-8 year span. When Lebron's athleticism was at it's height, he lacked mentality. As Lebron became more clutch and a better shooter, he also had 2 season's that he was dead last in the league for getting back on the defensive end. Lebron plays one style which is a great one, and that's all-around. When Pippen would have single digit scoring games in the playoffs, MJ would score a ridiculous amount of points to pick up the slack. And then he would let those teammates know about it in the locker room. He set an example on the court and then confronted teammates in the locker room. That's how MJ elevated his teammates on and off the court. Lebron is a slightly better passer but he has more of a tendency to keep passing rather than become a pure scorer when needed. Lebron is also known to be more friendly in the locker room which has proven to have less impact on teammates, which has resulted in some more finals losses. The will and mentality of MJ put more fear in teammates and opponents than I've seen from Lebron after watching both. MJ almost averaged a triple double while scoring over 30 in the only season he was asked to do so. So he's very capable of carrying a team similar to Lebron while still scoring and defending on a higher level, in an era that played much slower. So he had much less plays to get his 30/8/8. I'll explain the reason MJ didn't continue playing that style too. What many don't know is, MJ had the lowest surrounding scoring cast of teammates among all the star player's throughout history, to still win a title. So that left quite the offensive load on him. That's why his game became more about scoring and stops rather than triple doubles. MJ does what it takes to win championships while Lebron plays his game consistently and it results in some wins. Plus the most advanced criteria given yet has MJ way ahead of the pack. The only criteria given to put Lebron slightly ahead of MJ has been proven biased and also puts quite a few ahead of Lebron himself. So Lebron isn't even goat under any criteria given yet. MJ is hands-down the goat. People will have fun trying to figure out where Lebron belongs on the all-time greats list after he retires. Definitely behind Jordan. Even if he accomplishes much more, he could never be better than Jordan prime for prime. Maybe after Lebron retires people will actually compare him to some of the other greats, that some young and inexperienced media propelled him ahead of without ever measuring them up first. Also, MJ is 11-0 in championship games if you count NBA, NCAA, Olympics etc. And these two guy's are compared as individuals not by their teams. If they had the same win% in boxing, MJ would automatically be considered an all-time great while Lebron would be considered a journey man. If they played against each other in any given era, Lebron may make more finals due to longevity, but MJ would go undefeated everytime they faced-off. Who knows if Lebron would have even grown into a champion mentality if MJ had stood in his way. Lebron obviously didn't grow into that mentality until his second year with Miami, after stacking the deck during his prime to have an unfair advantage over the rest of the league for years to come, in his mind. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 etc, in his own words. He didn't know him and Wade wouldn't compliment each other well. And too bad he didn't put the work in or he may have beat the Mavs. But instead he just melted. MJ may have lost in the first round against one of the best super teams ever, but he put up 60 trying to fight through. He just didn't have the supporting cast at the time to prevail. Lebron may have made many finals appearances but he also played in the weakest eastern conference of any era. Least win totals for the top 8 seeds and anybody can look that up. Wade and the Heat gave the blueprint to beating the Pistons the year before Lebron beat them. And those Pistons struggled ever since the Heat broke them. People can brag about Lebron beating the 73-9 Warriors team, but they had no business in the finals. Steph and Klay were young and declining each playoff round. That team almost got beat the series before. Curry just wasn't ready for the big stage. Just the year before, Iguodala came off the bench to get MVP over Curry in the finals. Only reason that team had so many wins is because Kerr revolutionized the game with best two shooter's ever to share the court. But they wasn't a fraction of what they were in the regular season when the playoffs bagan. MJ may have never beat a team with that kind of record, but that was because his team was the Juggernaut team to beat, except Jordan elevated his game in the playoffs unlike the young splash brothers. MJ may get surpassed one day, but Lebron won't be the guy to do it. He's already been too much of a failure. MJ = reigning GOAT.

Really well done. Thx for the vid

For everyone saying that Jordan had some bad games, I will agree that he did. However, unlike Lebron, it was never from lack of effort.

Jordan also faced teams with more wins on average in the Finals than Lenron did based on wins per team

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

*Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Kobe ( 2-5 ), LeMickey ( 3-5 ).* *Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Kobe ( 25-10 ), LeMickey ( 19-11 ).* LeMickey feasted in the weak East. MJ and Kobe didn"t have that luxury.

@LebronJames-mr7ke

2 жыл бұрын

We’re comparing 2 players so rings or anything like that shouldn’t matter that much it’s the players. Lebron gives you everything on the floor scoring rebounding passing and defence Lebron is more of a complete player than Jordan if you still wanna compare rings then how many teams did mj vs that we’re better than the KD warriors let’s not forgot he also vsed a spurs team in 2007 with no help and analytics proved that he’s better than mj statistically one more thing we always bring lebrons failures but not MJ’s people say how lebron choked which he did but we forget how good that mavs team was ONE LAST THING DID THIS MAN JUST SAY LEBRON WASNT FEARED IN HIS PRIME???? U A DUMBASS LMFAO

@nickgriffin2273

2 жыл бұрын

@@LebronJames-mr7ke Jordan gives you the same things Lebron can, except better scoring and better defense. Jordan is the only non PG to average 11+ assists in a Finals series… that includes Lebron James. Lebron hasn’t even done that. The analytics say that Jordan was better bc he is. He had a better prime, has the highest PER in the regular season & playoffs in NBA history. Just stop it dude. The Mavs team was good but had absolutely NO business beating that Heat team, so let’s just stop right there 😂

@Riqharris

2 жыл бұрын

Those 90s teams were not as good as ppl think. Mostly had 1 or 2 stars and the rest of the team was average at best. Only reason why those teams won so many games is off of the mediocre teams

@nickgriffin2273

2 жыл бұрын

@@Riqharris absolute nonsense. Just stop the bs 😂

Lebron has had to jump teams 3 different times for his rings and still hasnt caught Jordan in championships after his 18th season

@jakedooley5300

3 жыл бұрын

@Kaden Williams excuses, you can definitely blame lebron for his failure in 2011 and getting lit up by Jason Terry a bench warmer

@relaxstaycalm1906

3 жыл бұрын

@Kaden Williams erm..Jordan could have join the Lakers, Celtics or Pistons because his starting team mates were cokeheads... any more excuses?

@relaxstaycalm1906

3 жыл бұрын

@Kaden Williams that happened only at the last 3 years MJ with the Bulls. The first 9 years MJ could have join other team to chase ring like Lebron did, but instead MJ choose to stay and play with whoever he had

@benjiekacey4988

3 жыл бұрын

Will he play 6 or 8 more seasons because he want to be better than MJ give that up bro you'll never be

@christiangoatcarter2395

3 жыл бұрын

John paxon is a roleplayer Mj only played with 1 all star his whole career which is Scottie pippen

Smart people won't argue with these. Not even close..... Not only that. MJ is more exciting to watch.

Well done. One major observation that never gets mentioned is MJ is responsible for more Hall of Famers not achieving an NBA championship 🤔

@AnHebrewChild

11 ай бұрын

Great point. You hear talking heads say things like, "Jordan never faced a finals opponent who won an NBA championship" Can u think of a more idiotic comment? Uh....... his finals opponents never win chips because Jordan was busy winning them.

Not to mention... Most players were afraid of Jordan, nobody is afraid of Lebron!

@JarvisN

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigbanana6318 maybe they wanted a easier series

@JarvisN

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigbanana6318 so they aren’t exhausted in the first round

@leondavis27

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigbanana6318 actually players are more afraid of AD than LeBron. So the Clippers and Mavs ducked AD

@roquemikemartinez6665

3 жыл бұрын

NOBODY.

@Mahdi_Amine

3 жыл бұрын

The raptors

Jordan is the undisputed goat!!!

@adityasrinivasan7784

3 жыл бұрын

Except that he is not. LeBron James is the greatest basketball player to have ever stepped on the court. All you Jordan fans keep harping on the fact that MJ is "6-0" because that is the only stat ya'll have going for you that LeBron doesn't have. LeBron has lapped MJ is almost every stat there is. You cannot discount all of that simply because LeBron has played longer. The fact that LeBron is so healthy so late in his career should be a testament to his greatness. It shouldn't be held against him but since Lebron has that in his favor, it is not considered. Tbh that's what the MJ vs LeBron debate is all about. All you MJ fans only harp about rings because ya'll know LeBron has only 4. But when people start talking about the things LeBron has in his favor, it's not taken seriously. Forget about titles, lets talk about the ability to play basketball because if it's about achievements then MJ is nowhere close to being the GOAT and we all know that. MJ was unidimensional. He could only score. He was a poor passer and an average rebounder. But since scoring passes the eye test more often than not, the other facets of the game are looked down upon. LeBron is taller, stronger and faster than Jordan. LeBron is a dangerous scorer who can score 50 whenever he wants to, he's the best passer this game has ever seen and is a great rebounder. Now lets talk about this "killer instinct" BS you Jordan fans take great pride in. MJ had an ENORMOUS ego. That is what all you fans mistake for "killer instinct" and its absolute BS. LeBron is not egoistic at all and that shows in the way he plays basketball. He is okay with his teammates being No.1, MJ couldn't stand being second. LeBron loves to see others succeed, MJ desperately wanted to be the only one who succeeds. LeBron is a great teammate and helps other become better, MJ was a terrible teammate and helped his teammates by punching them in the face. This debate has reached a phase where you Jordan fans, unfortunately has no legitimate argument to make without saying 6 rings and thats sad. Once it's all said and done, that gap between the real GOAT and MJ will be so glaring that even Jordan fans will realize how saying "6 rings" won't matter.

@adityasrinivasan7784

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerdbamarich2063 Like i said before, you Jordan Girls can't say shiz beyond 6 rings. I know why you didn't read the whole thing because you little Jordan girl brain can't process anything more than 6 rings. The only thing you Jordan girls can read is 6 rings. Petty, lmao...

@nerdbamarich2063

3 жыл бұрын

@@adityasrinivasan7784 Team hopping in your prime to lose multiple championships and getting outplayed by a role player in 2011😂😂 you're a clown just like all the other bron stans. Got exposed without AD in the west. Won a bubble ring and couldn't make it competitive during a real season. 😂😂 go away fool.

@jamalliwalug6639

3 жыл бұрын

@@nerdbamarich2063 He only played in 3 teams cavs,heats, and lakers why these lbj haters acting like lebron played in all teams of nba do you even watch NBA games and NBA news, This lbj haters only notice mj,pippen, and rodman to 90s Bulls give respect to other 90s bulls players.

@nerdbamarich2063

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamalliwalug6639 please learn how to write cohesive messages before you post again that doesn't even look like it's an english. Geez SMFH

You have to account for the overall decline of cable viewing in comparing the finals viewers between Bron and MJ.

@jennyarriola324

3 жыл бұрын

People in my country watch the NBA on free TV, and the highest ratings it had was waaaaaaay back in 98.

Good video enjoyed it 👍🏿

"I've missed over 12,500 shots in my career. A few times I was forced to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over again in my life. I even left the Game UNFINISHED when things didn't go my way. And that is why... I'm a LOSER.” - LeBron James

@Zamppa86

3 жыл бұрын

And to make it even more hilarious just imagine a guy like that claiming himself to be the GOAT after 2016 :D MJ never claimed himself to be the GOAT but let the others, his opponents, the media and the fans to do that. That's true greatness and GOATness.

@franzmutuc9272

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zamppa86 100% TRUE 👍🏻

@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III

3 жыл бұрын

I know where that quote came from. Nice work.... Put MJ's actual quote for people that don't where this came from.

@laker09champ72

3 жыл бұрын

lbj is the self proclaimed goat and nobody agrees with him. 😂😂😂

@franzmutuc9272

3 жыл бұрын

@@laker09champ72 Agree! 😂🤣😂

Jason Terry, a bench player outplayed LeFlop in the damn finals. No returning from that shit.

@StevenH86d

3 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯

@greywolf1056

3 жыл бұрын

@Paul Allen hahahah

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

Luka Doncic is better than LeHelp James. AD carried LeMickey.

@logicaldude3611

3 жыл бұрын

I was a big Lebron fan back then and that Finals performance was utterly disgraceful for a player of his caliber. He looks lackadaisical and disinterested, frozen.

@ej4346

3 жыл бұрын

"No returning from that shit." This is gold. 🤣🤣🤣

I'm cool with calling Jordan the GOAT but don't understand why people think Lebron belongs in the conversation over guys like Bird and Kobe. How about Wilt? Magic? Hakeem? Duncan? The Big O? So many great players yet people want to talk about Lebron.

@_M....

Жыл бұрын

because the NBA and sports media say so. they've been comparing Lebron to MJ since high school for some reason.

NBA finals: undefeated... Magic Johnson couldn't beat him, clyde drexler couldn't, Barkley couldn't, payton & Kemp couldn't, malone and Stockton couldn't 2x's. Not to mention all the eastern conference rivals against all those hof's.. Lebron has never beaten KOBE!!! U cant surpass mike without even beating Kobe in a season game. Go sit down somewhere LeBron

There shouldn't even be a discussion. Anyone that watched even a bit of Mike, knows that there never will be anyone like him again. Best there ever was, best there ever will be.

@dcironman2k973

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the mamba! Y'all all shouldn't!!

@Asian2706

3 жыл бұрын

There shouldn't be a discussion because LeBron is undisputed

@brianstrutter1501

3 жыл бұрын

I watched him and i 100% disagree. MJ was mostly athletic ability and was a good shooter which made him tough to defend. As soon as he lost most of his athletic ability he became an above average player because his skill set was good but not great. I'm still amazed more people don't know this

@rabinvargas8762

3 жыл бұрын

If I have MJ and Lebron in the same team. I'd rather have MJ takeover clutch time. Can't trust the game to someone who doesn't have the killer instinct when it's needed. That right there makes a bog difference. Unless you kids have seen MJ's games especially in the playoffs to the finals, you'll never understand how a freak of nature MJ is.

@brianstrutter1501

3 жыл бұрын

@@rabinvargas8762 - exactly. That killer instinct is a difference maker. But to me this whole discussion doesn't include Lebron anyway so it's pointless. Who are the other great players who had killer instincts? There's your discussion

You didn't waste any time lmao💀💀

All I can say is this. MJ is the most commonly used standard to be compared to any basketball player in any era. That is evidence enough.

He couldn't beat iverson, he couldn't beat D rose without whining and cheating, he couldn't beat wade, he damn sure couldn't McGrady, he couldnt beat Duncan, he couldn't beat Dirk, so he teamed up with his competition to mask his limits.

Number 11: Jordan has the mentality of a winner, LeBron has the mentality of a crybaby.

@evank1338

3 жыл бұрын

True

@ivandave3924

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron has the mentality of a flopper

Can you do a comparison between Bird and LBJ, I think that would be a better one than comparing to MJ

@Terror832

3 жыл бұрын

In terms of greatness (I.e. accolades and counting stats) LeBron has clearly passed Bird But skill wise that’s pretty debatable. Bird is a much more skilled scorer, better rebounder and plays with much more intensity LeBron is obviously a better athlete and at his peak a better defender. Facilitating wise they’re about equal

@jaxsonbarta8648

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think Bird would have a good chance it could go either way

@brendanbloom3366

3 жыл бұрын

Bird is better. Better scorer passer and rebounder.

@jakedooley5300

3 жыл бұрын

@@brendanbloom3366 I agree with you, it's a shame bird doesn't get enough of credit as he should, I definitely think bird is a top 3 all time great

@something4434

3 жыл бұрын

@@Terror832 bird is more skilled cause he's a far better shooter

This doesn’t even need to be discussed. You don’t need 10 reasons. It’s not close .

did MJ had a missed game due to load management?

There was really never any debate. The media created a narrative bc LeBron owns them, but actually there's no debate, and a 1st round exit officially closes the door.

Sorry Lebron fans, the lebron James- Anthony Davis era is over. You can't escape Father Time

@zoddayaintern5490

3 жыл бұрын

I think he still has 3-4 good seasons left. Maybe not “best player in the league contender” level seasons, but still all star caliber. But I also think his durability is slowly going away, time is catching up. I just hope he doesn’t have a big injury again.

@yungslic5363

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoddayaintern5490 okay so everyone is freaking out because LeBron suffered two minor injuries that are major for only LeBron 🥱 2019 Slipped and pulled his groin after 8 straight finals 2021 Solomon Hill fell on his ankle🤔 LeBron is so far more durable than any superstar given his age. Y'all act like he injured him self while doing next to nothing🤣🤣🤣 he'll return next still putting up his customary 25, 7,7 and people will act surprised and 180 like they didn't say nothing

@zoddayaintern5490

3 жыл бұрын

@@yungslic5363 all I said is that time is slowly catching up, I’m not wrong. And I didn’t say he wouldn’t be good anymore, I actually said that he would still be an all star. Just not the best player in the league anymore. I’m not hating, lebron is one of my all time favorite players

@veracity5977

3 жыл бұрын

LeBron will definitely win 1-2 more rings

@yungslic5363

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoddayaintern5490 yeah AFTER next season we saw this story before it was the 2020 season remember

You sure did your homework , great vid man

The longer LeBron continues to play, the easier the argument becomes. Jordan was a six time Champion by the age of 36. If Jordan really wanted to, he could have stayed at the Bulls and challenged for another Championship. LeBron is 37 this year and no sight of another championship, let alone two to match Jordan. He will lead in stats buts that is due to time in the NBA. The only reason I choose Jordan is because he was a ruthless winner. He never gave up and carried the Bulls when they needed him the most. The Bulls have never won the NBA championship again since his time there and that speaks volumes. In fact, the only titles the Bulls won was when Jordan playing. The only player that should be compared to Jordan is his apprentice, Kobe Bryant. End of discussion. Five NBA titles with the SAME team spanning a 20 year career. Air Jordan and Black Mamba will always be most remembered.

Now, there’s nothing “perfect” about Lebron’s career. While Jordan never lost in the Finals. Anyways, I never once considered Lebron to be the GOAT. And to be clear, I’m a fan of both players.

@zerogtoxik6020

3 жыл бұрын

1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Kareem 4. Wilt 5. Magic 6. Larry bird 7. Hakeem 8. Shaq 9. Kobe 10. Bill russell

@zakaria87100

2 жыл бұрын

@@zerogtoxik6020 isnt kobe better than lebron, more championships

@uuuuuu2948

2 жыл бұрын

@@zakaria87100 bill russel is better than jordan?

@_M....

Жыл бұрын

@@uuuuuu2948 bill played in a league with less than 10 teams, 2 rounds of playoffs to win the championship and was a mediocre offensive player. also had 7 hall of famers on his team tthe entire time. so nah, Bill was playing on by far the most stacked and best team when all other teams combined had less top tier players than the Celtics. tbh if Bill (r.i.p.) didn't win so many rings he wouldn't be on anyone's list.

Jordan was 9 times all defensive first at the same time as scoring champ. That really shows how much of a beast he was on both ends. Also steals champ at the same time as scoring champ. Something that never gets mentioned. Jordan is top 5 in both totals and per game averages in both scoring and steals. Some players maybe both for one stat but not 2. Jordan took it to another level in the finals especially the first 3. 91-- average 11.4 assists per game highest for anyone not Magic. 92 - - average an impressive 42% for 3s and in game 1 shot six 3s in a half which was a record for 18 years until Ray Allen the only person to shoot more in a half 93-- average 41 points per game highest ever. Jordan has a higher peak which LeBron has not surpassed

@tsumardi

3 жыл бұрын

Ofcourse, I only interested in NBA because of him also mike Tyson a beast in boxing. You can talk about other boxers but man people always bring up Tyson like MJ.

@Sf75178

3 жыл бұрын

@@tsumardi what is your point?

1. Jordan has a higher offensive career rating 2. Jordan has a better defensive career rating Jordan averaged more points, got more scoring titles, and was a better free throw shooter, but also was the better defender with more defensive selections, earning first team selections late into his career. Jordan is objectively better offensively and defensively. He accomplished more in far less time than LeBron. Notice, I never said the words, "6 rings"

LeBron: These shoulders were built for a reason... Also LeBron: Leaves the game when there's still 5 mins left. Honestly, this 1st round loss changed nothing except that now his fans can no longer say he's undefeated in the 1st round. Jordan was the GOAT before this, and he remains the GOAT.

@user-jm7mm4lo7o

3 жыл бұрын

LeQueen not even top 60 all time 🤣🤣🤣

I don’t understand how Bron fans defend him blindly. Jordan made his teammates better wherever he was. He also was just superior to lebron in every way.

@chaddad4046

3 жыл бұрын

Only a delusional Jordan fan would think Jordan is superior to Lebron in every way.

@seattledaffyduck5243

3 жыл бұрын

@@chaddad4046 Oh shoot did I say in every way, it’s not like he has 10 scoring titles while Lebron has none, 9 defensive player of the year titles while Lebron has none, or more championships. Also he’s undefeated in the finals. And in 1998 he basically brought the team to the Finals himself. Rodman was out doing whatever he wanted, and Pippen was trying to get a better contract by not having surgery earlier. I’m not “delusional” I’m just looking at the facts. Lebron is number three in my book. 1st is Jordan, Second is Kobe, third is Lebron.

@brian6441

3 жыл бұрын

@@seattledaffyduck5243 just glossed over pippen and rodman with that excuse. Alrrr. Jordan didn't win anything without pippen so don't pretend like he didn't play well and rodman would still get his rebounds even if he was out partying. Since when was Jordan a better passer rebounder and had a higher basketball iq than LeBron. This video just shows lebron's negatives and doesn't show the whole picture of anything.

@chaddad4046

3 жыл бұрын

@@seattledaffyduck5243 The GOAT argument is ultimately useless and impossible to settle, but you should fact-check yourself before making claims as if you are a basketball expert. Lebron has won a scoring title. Jordan did not win 9 defensive player of the year awards, he won one. Lebron has come in second in dpoy voting twice. I give a lot of credit to Jordan for his 1998 run, but don't disregard Lebron's 2007 and 2018 carry jobs. To debunk your initial claim that Jordan is superior in every way, Lebron is a much better passer and has greater basketball intelligence. However, these arguments are far too simplistic to determine who is better. Your abundant misinformation screams delusional Jordan fan to me.

@seattledaffyduck5243

3 жыл бұрын

@@chaddad4046 Geez man, yeah I realized this after I wrote the comment. I’ve been researching more NBA facts because I was a casual. So yes I know now. But calling someone delusional for their opinion is a little bit immature. I don’t discredit Lebron for his accomplishments. In fact he’s one of my favorite players of all time. So yeah I respect Lebron a ton. Although I feel like Lebron and Jordan shouldn’t be compared because they play completely different positions in different eras. Also the real GOAT is Alex Coruso anyway.😂

You should include 1987 for Jordan’s peak. He averaged 37 a game lol

@InspireRise300

3 жыл бұрын

Facts shooting only 2 pointers

@SmoothJK

3 жыл бұрын

@@InspireRise300 and not just dunks and layups either.

for those who thinks 90's rule and today's rule are the same... look at these. 1. Restricted Area. the 4-foot ARC below the hoop appeared since 1998. "a defending player can not force a charging foul within this area." It means it's supposed to be easier to score. 2. Footwork: "Gather Step" was introduced in 2009... only then could Lebron win his first chip. a player could literally run 20-feet up the hoop without dribbling. that "gather step" would mean travelling foul before 2009. There are more. but these two are enough to allow easier plays.

@Tippotipo

3 жыл бұрын

Those are rules showing that NBA sacrificed fundamentals of basketball for entertainment thus further degrading the quality of the game. Majority of today players would miserably fail to make in the old school (80-90 era) NBA due to the lack of basis. No wonder today NBA is seen as a joke and a shell of its glory.

The real problem is that people shouldnt even compare lebron to MJ its unfair for lebron and unfair honestly to him. He will never be as intelligent or classy as MJ but he is top 5 for sure All time

greatest of all time MJ

Insult to injury. Uncut hoops is as cold as D Book. Lmao

@clubpenguin13531

3 жыл бұрын

or Trae Young

@jaxual

3 жыл бұрын

@RedWings51930 both are young stone cold killas

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

Devin Booker completely outplayed Lebron James. Drop 47 Points on Lebron"s face. Lol.

LeBum is not even a top twenty player. This debate is absolutely ludicrous!

It is actually kinda crazy that lebron is considered the second best player of all time next to jordan, number 2 could easily be kareem, kobe, wilt, legit name anyone that was at the very least a good player, magic.

@_M....

Жыл бұрын

exactly, because in reality the gap between Jordan and everyone else is just obvious. they're all fighting for second place.

You need 2 things to be the GOAT. A great career and a great peak. I solidly believe that MJ has left a significantly better career/legacy and a slightly better peak. I don't believe it's reasonable for LeBron to either have a second peak better than his 3-year Miami stretch nor reverse some of the black stains on his legacy. This is coming from a genuine Bron fan and a person who watched the game of basketball because of LeBron.

Needed to come here after watching Lebron leave his teammates and the building early. Basketball inspire me again... think MJ MJ MJ...

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

AD"s bad game=L. AD"s normal game=W. Lakers no AD=No Playoffs, lost in the first round.. Lakers with AD=Championship. LAKERS THIS SEASON: *With LeMickey James and without AD=1-6 vs Playoff Teams.* Lol. AD is the Lakers best player.

@jimmulcahey9312

Жыл бұрын

MJ being heckled or trash talked from a fan in the stands - he torches the team he is playing against, talks trash talk back at the fan and again torches the team he is playing against. Lebron being heckled or trash talked by a fan in the stands - gets upset and gets the refs to throw the fan out of the stadium. Just a big baby

Reason #1 MJ would have never lost to Dwight Howard's Magics.

Two 3 peats, 6 for 6 in the finals, never went to a game 7, averaged nearly 35 point + in finals, enough said!

MJ: 6 NBA championships 6 finals MVPs 5 season MVPs 10 all NBA first team 9 NBA all-defensive first team 1 DPOTY 10 NbA scoring champion 14 NBA all stars 3 all star MVPs 1985 ROTY 3x leader in steals 2 slamdunk champion 1 NCAA championship 1 Ncaa pLayer of the year 2 Olympic Gold medals A lot more accolades. GOAT (but never called himself GOAT} LeBron: Just a queen.

@allanhouston6759

3 жыл бұрын

Lebron James ( Playoff mode activated )- Kyle Kuzma Pushes Lebron James to Play Some Defense. *One of the greatest moment in Nba history. It will be remembered for sure.* Lol.

@sungminc9018

3 жыл бұрын

LBJ: GQOAT

Uncut Hoops I believe Michael Jordan had 5 regular season mvps. You had mentioned he had 4. Everything else you said was spot on! Love the video man!

@KaliweteKid

3 жыл бұрын

He said 4 league mvps from 91-98 when he won all six rings. He had already won his first mvp in 1988 which was considered by many the best mvp season ever because he averaged 35 ppg efficiently while also winning defensive player of the year.

Jordan would have arguably had championship success much earlier in his career, if he just switched to a successful team, like Boston or the Lakers. But he didn’t do that. He chose the hard way and earned his championships building his own team at Bulls. He was arguably coming off his peak even before he won his first championship.

Some of the stats are debatable. Some are even a wash. But it's the attitude, consistency and approach in competing that spell the difference for me.

Jordan is the GOAT

imagine being in the league for so long, scoring so many points to only come up short in finals wins to a guy who only spent 15 years in the league. I show more respect to a guy who wins at the highest level every time then to a guy who comes second best most times.

Let us not forget- Jordan never proclaimed himself as the GOAT: he let his record speak for itself and he NEVER GAVE UP WHEN HIS TEAM WAS DOWN AND NEVER LEFT THE COURT WHEN THERE WAS STILL TIME ON THE CLOCK.

Don’t forget Lebron has one move MJ could NEVER stop: FLOPPING

Mj = better on offense Mj = better on defence Mj = better legacy and accolades SHOULDNT THAT MEAN THAT MJ IS UNDOUBTLY THE GOAT?????

@kenneyoakwood7437

3 жыл бұрын

@@benie1479 actually lebron isn't better on Offense....he just has more total points...Ows...ts%...overall shot chart...ppg..all belong to Jordan. Lebron just played longer...passing is a secondary function of offense by definition.

@jakedooley5300

3 жыл бұрын

@@benie1479 lebron played 5 extra seasons, his stats don't mean jack shit, Jordan averaged over 30 points per game for his career to LeBrons 27, career average for playoffs and finals Jordan averaged 33 to LeBrons 28, Jordan also has 10 scoring titles to LeBron's 1

@jaikohaal

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakedooley5300 It’s what happens when you take time off here and there, bail on some games and control your playing time 😂 Lbj is softer than pudding

@nagzz06

3 жыл бұрын

@@benie1479 statistically better duh?! Of course he played more games than Jordan, While MJ needs lesser number of games to achieve them

@charles3493

3 жыл бұрын

Please don't use media crap like passing IQ. The man leads the all-time turnover catagory.