LeBron James was saved by Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Ray Allen, Anthony Davis and the referees.

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

nope just kyrie and ray

@JetEngine85

7 ай бұрын

​@@Kamylamythat bubble ring was all AD even before pandemic AD was a problem for every other team.. when he wasn't playing Lakers lose.. and even on the bubble he was a problem to guard., He even took a game winning shot in the playoffs when lebron didn't want it..

@MrWillhnic

7 ай бұрын

And he was just saved by Reaves last night lol

@kubbykush9401

7 ай бұрын

​@@JetEngine85that bubble ring happened because ex-lakers stated that LeSteroid wasn't a true Laker UNTIL he won a championship.

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

yea he won it so he is a laker what is your point?@@kubbykush9401

Pippen was never as valuable as Jordan it’s not even a discussion. Nobody is saying pippen was garbage but to say that pippen did everything else because jordan was only a scorer is revisionist history.

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

It’s just MJ haters/ LBJ groupies trying to rewrite history and make Pippen out to be like he was the sole reason just to discredit MJ. They go as far as to say Pippen was the second best player in the 90’s after MJ lol. Shit is ridiculous.

@darnellwilliams8783

7 ай бұрын

@Thatguywiththeplan8 you a lying jordan fanboy Scottie Pippen took the knicks to 7 in the 1994 ECF and lost because of a bad Call smh Yall discredit Scottie because he made Jordan a better passer😊

@TheGr8-1

7 ай бұрын

@@darnellwilliams8783semifinals.

@Jimmyd134

7 ай бұрын

@@darnellwilliams8783wasn’t eastern conference finals. Just playoffs. And what happened when they needed a big shot? Phil had Tony kucock take the shot, not pip. Go take a lap.

@ogmusik2549

7 ай бұрын

​@darnellwilliams8783 jordan made scottie not the other way round look at pippens rookie numbers then look at Jordans. Pippen might not have developed the same way without jordan. Pippen even said he became a great defender by practising against jordan

Fun fact. The most important shots of Lebrons Carrer. is made by other players.

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

According to LBJ groupies and klutch media LBJ’s FT that moved the score from 92-89 Cavs to 93-89 won them that game. Also a block that happened minutes before that won them that game. Don’t forget in 2013 a 2pt shot by LBJ over Kawhi that put Miami over SAS by 4 points was a game winner...

@CasualGamerPlays

7 ай бұрын

Yep! Wade, Ray Allen, Kyrie and even Anthony Davis in the Bubble saved Lebron's ass

@JC-db7so

7 ай бұрын

Fun fact in 94 tries to win it or tie the game with 5 seconds or less Lebron shoots an amazing 20% from the field. Jordan in the exact same scenario shots 50%.

Lebron fans try to over rate scottie just to try to under rate Jordan

@pyotrbagration2438

7 ай бұрын

Sharpieboy needs to damage control after he broke ranks and criticized LeBum.

@liumatt2874

7 ай бұрын

They always do that, anything that will make MJ look mediocre, they like to disrespect the players MJ play against, calling them plumbers, they will elevate his teammates' ability so they can claim MJ has more help than LBJ, I dont think there isnt anything they won't say just so LBJ can be in the conversation with MJ, however what they dont get is the more they do things like this, the more people will dislike LBJ.

@zxcvb3772

7 ай бұрын

@@liumatt2874 Those people have zero consistency too, how can Jordan's era be "full of bums" according to them, yet they're praising Scottie so much. It makes no sense. Those people also do not keep the same energy when it comes to Shaq Kobe. They always downplay Kobe's impact during the 2000 to 2002 Lakers 3peat run, saying Shaq carried Kobe, yet they claim Pippen was doing just as much as Jordan during their 6 championship runs when anyone with a pair of eyes or a functional brain can see or think clearly that Kobe was a waaaaaay better second option compared to Scottie and it's not even close. The Lebron fanboys have zero consistency in their arguments, it's like they just make things up as they go, even if they contradict themselves later on.

@liumatt2874

7 ай бұрын

@@zxcvb3772 I agree, they show no respect to a lot of all star or even HOF players that played at MJ's era and yet MJ has all the best player around him so all he has to do is " score ", those LBJ fan base really sound and talk like those delusional woke activist or feminist, no logic or facts, just how they feel.

LeMickey was saved by Kyrie, AD, Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, and Kevin Love 😂

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

now your downplaying lebron without bron d wade wouldn't have 3 rings ad wouldn't gotten that ring ray allen wouldn't have that ring KL would have actually been traded to the golden state warriors

@kevinkingslayer2450

7 ай бұрын

​@@KamylamySo what!? LeSweep has been carried by players, the media and the refs...... And THAT'S supposed to be your guy??🙄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

don't even try to mention the refs the refs have never been on lebrons side and the MEDIA the media is still on how LeBron can't win another ring lmao while jordan gets praised for flopping on muggsey bogus and getting any call he wants@@kevinkingslayer2450

@bryanhickernell7189

7 ай бұрын

@@KamylamyI’m gunna call bs on Dwade he won a ring with an old Shaq. So yea

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

thats not old shaq he was still averging 20 plus with 10 rebounds and 2 blocks you don't know ball @@bryanhickernell7189

It’s like people forget that Pippen wasn’t sh** until Jordan toughened his a** up

@juliuscaesar6994

7 ай бұрын

Legit took 3 whole seasons before Pip was worth a shit

@madnesity2988

7 ай бұрын

He still wasn’t all that after , cause mj still had to do everything

@darnellwilliams8783

7 ай бұрын

​@@juliuscaesar6994yall Jordan fanboys are terrible Jordan was getting cooked by the pistons and didnt win nothing till😊 scottie came around and scottie made jordan a better player

@darnellwilliams8783

7 ай бұрын

​@@madnesity2988thats a Lie Yall Jordan fanboys are cheerleaders Scottie always guarded the Teams best player and was the beet defender

@JazzyJ5G

7 ай бұрын

@@darnellwilliams8783 Did Scottie ever win DOPY?

Not one top ten player has played with more all stars than lebum. Its not even close. When will this ridiculous debate stop?

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

It’s crazy too, all of the stats and data and tape there for LBJ fans to see he had more help yet they still sit there and say how MJ had way more help than LBJ lol.

Jordan needed pippen while lebron needed the whole league including the refs to save him. Even with all of that he's still 4-6.

Anyone knocking Mike with a vengeance like this, cries JEALOUSY 🤣

Listen, I didn’t even like the Bulls as a Lakers fan. The irony is, the only time I ever rooted for them was the 95 season because MJ seemed mortal and his flaws made him easier to root for. No other player I’ve ever seen in NBA history terrified you and made you feel resigned to losing if the game was close than MJ. If you weren’t around for it, you’ll never understand. You’ll never understand guys like Jayson Williams telling his teammates “Don’t make Black Jesus mad”. No one is afraid of LeBron. He’s great…the greatest physical talent ever. He isn’t MJ. There’s no point in saying anything else. You either get that or you don’t.

@jeffbrown8861

6 ай бұрын

@manu. Wilt and Shaq just entered the chat 🤔

And then Pippen went to Houston and Portland to start dynasties there. Oh, wait that didn't happen...

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

YEAH HE WAS LIKE 45 YEARS OLD AND HAD BACK INJURIES FROM SACRAFICEING FOR THE BULLS AND PLAYING WITH A DISLODGED DISC FOR OVER 2 SEASONS AFTER TWO CONSECUTIVE HARD FLAGRANT TACKLES OUT OF THE AIR AND SLAMS TO THE GROUND BY ZO MOURNING AND PJ BROWN AT THE SAME TIME. THEY ARE STILL TO THE THIS THE TWO HARDEST MOST DIRTY FOULS IN SPORTS HISTORY. IT ENDED PIPPEN'S CAREER. RODMAN FOUGHT ZO BOTH TIMES AFTER THEM. RODMAN INJURED ZOS KIDNEYS BOTH TIMES AND ENDED ZO'S CAREER. ULTIMATELY THE BULLS DIDN'T GIVE PIPPEN TIME TO HEAL FROM THE INJURIES OF THE DISLODGED DISC IN HIS BACK SO THEY WOULD JUST SHOOT HIM UP BEFORE THE GAME AND AT HALF TIME TO CONTINUE TO PLAY AND SACRAFICE, AND ENDURE THE PAIN AND FURTHER HORRIBLE WORSE INJURIES. THAT IS THE PART OF THE STORY THAT A LOT OF SO CALLED BASKETBALL EXPERTS DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU. ON A SIDE NOTE RILEY ORDERED IT BOTH TIMES.

@lastman4853

7 ай бұрын

And Jordan went to the Wizards and couldn't even make the playoffs...

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@lastman4853 and lebron went to LA and couldn't make the Playoffs until they traded for 3 top 5 players. See how Pippen is the only one held to the highest Standard cause he might just be the best ever.

@lastman4853

7 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc Which just shows that these "best ever" debates are dumb because it's teams that win championships not individuals. Mike and Scottie didn't win anything without Phil and the Triangle.

@kylonp7311

7 ай бұрын

@@lastman4853and jordan didn’t have a top 5 player like ad in Washington and Jordan was 40 🤡😂😂😂😂

Wade saved lebron, kyrie saved lebron, AD saved Lebron. I can keep going

@ijamorris3449

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget Ray Allen's clutch shot in an elimination game

@jeffcunningham0389

7 ай бұрын

@@ijamorris3449 I didn’t forget. Lebron is all time great but to only win 4 rings in 25 seasons most likely, with many different superteams is NOT a good look. That right there disqualifies any goat debate. Like how many rings would jordan have if after 98 he decided to join the lakers and then spurs. Like the league should be happy Jordan didn’t cheat the game and have 10 rings

@ijamorris3449

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffcunningham0389 right. I was just saying all they talk about is Bron coming back down 3-1. Hell even Bron said when HE came back. He don't even give Kyrie credit. Lol man it's crazy. So over time you forget that dude was even there. Sad...

@pyotrbagration2438

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffcunningham0389 He needs to pick up some tips from Robert Horry, he could learn a thing or two how to properly jump teams to chase rings.

@NateO123

6 ай бұрын

@@jeffcunningham0389 there’s also the fact that MJ retired at his peak because of what happened to his dad. If he never did that there’s legit reason to think he would have ruled the playoffs for 8 years straight. It didn’t happen but it’s not exactly a coincidence that he comes back and the bulls win another 3 straight, Lebron never has or will accomplish anything like that.

The 1994-95 Chicago Bulls team still had their core players, minus Jordan, along with still having Phil Jackson as their coach and coaching system. Also in 1995, the world saw Pippen point at the bottom of his Jordan's in a way to ask Jordan to return back to the Bulls. Pippen knew he wasn't a strong leader like Jordan and could lead the team to a chip. He needed Jordan and till this day, Pippen knows deep down inside that he wouldn't have the success he did have without Jordan and Phil Jackson

Did John Elway saved Shannon Sharpe?🤔

@Relbl

7 ай бұрын

No, but Terrell Davis saved both of them :p

@ThugShiTzu

7 ай бұрын

@@Relbl Exactly!!!

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

LBJ groupies: "who's John Elway?"... those kids only know Shannon for being a Bron boy lol

@juliuscaesar6994

7 ай бұрын

​@@Relbl I know what you saying but, the QB has to give Davis the ball ha aha.. and Shannon for that matter, no Elway no ring 😂

So that super stacked Miami team didnt save Lebron? That stack Cleveland team didnt save Lebron? Kyrie, Ray Allen last shot doesnt ring any bells?

How many rings and all star appearances did pippin get while Michael was playing baseball? 😂😂😂

@Rubrick23.

7 ай бұрын

00000000.000000000

@chriswelch3725

7 ай бұрын

Lebron stans won't use that argument lol. You could also say that last 2 rings they got together Jordan carried Pippen because pippen was having back problems.

@kevinkingslayer2450

7 ай бұрын

To my knowledge? ZERO!!!!🤔

@malafakka8530

7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't care too much about all star appearances because popularity plays a big role in that. If you want to be nitpicky about it you could also say that he only had one season to win a ring without him. The interesting question would be how many rings Jordan would have won if roles were reversed, but it is also pointless because it would be pure speculation.

@robertwilson9528

7 ай бұрын

Pippen did win the 94 all-star MVP. But I agree and get your point

Scottie really saved his ass, no other way to put it. My man came into the league like a wrecking ball, averaging a robust 8pts, 4reb and 2 assists, carrying the Bulls on his back while Jordan was polishing his game. Then Scottie tried his best to wheel the Bulls past the Pistons in '89 and '90, averaging 14 and 16 points while MJ was finishing top scorer of the playoffs both years without participating in the finals. What a savior Scottie was...

@mmmmmmmmmmm10

7 ай бұрын

You have less likes because half people thought you weren't being sarcastic. High five

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

This isn’t the full story too. In 97 finals in 3 of the 4 wins Pippen averaged 16.6 ppg on 31.9% shooting. Never been done before, Bulls had to keep feeding him the ball, it was incredible! Also, how can you forget in 98 in the last two games vs Utah Pippen put up astonishing averages of 7 ppg on 26% shooting. The “last dance” doc didn’t show this bc they knew Pippen was THE guy there..

@jarvasedundy1

7 ай бұрын

😂😂 love the sarcasm

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

NO ONE SAYS PIPPEN SAVED JORDAN. JORDAN WAS GOING TO FIND A WAY TO GET 5-8 TITLES REGUARDLESS OF WHO WAS ON HIS TEAM. HE JUST WOULD'VE HAD TO WORK WAY HARDER TO GET THEM WITHOUT PIPPEN. PIPPEN MAKES EVERYTHING EASY FOR HIS TEAM MATES.

@Ayo_Bruh22

7 ай бұрын

Pippin won zero ringss when Jordan retired from Chicago bulls and lead the team and only won 3 more rings when jordan returned to the bulls,only an ldiot believe that pippin was on mj level.

People always bring up MJ playoff record without Pippen…. lol they need to look at his playoff record in Portland

@Kamylamy

7 ай бұрын

lmao pippen would have won a ring if the nba didn't rig kobe and shaq

@cochise4390

7 ай бұрын

​@@Kamylamy Rigged?? He got swept by them two years in a row… and then lost 4-1 to another team… I believe that’s 1-11

@dannybachner899

6 ай бұрын

​@@cochise4390 in 2000 pippens first year in Portland they went to game 7 and lost by 5

@cochise4390

6 ай бұрын

@@dannybachner899 and his playoff record in Portland was what? 1-11.. don’t matter how much they lost by. Still lost

@dannybachner899

6 ай бұрын

@@cochise4390 13 -16 playoff record in Portland. Goofy

And let's not forget the Bulls were gonna trade Pippen for Grant Hill at one point cuz Grant Hill was that dude before injuries.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

that was not going to happen. But if it did hat would prove Pippen is the best ever to be traded for Hill eventhough he was 10 years older.

@housepumpinpc3983

7 ай бұрын

​@@JimBrave-ri1ocnot really. It would have proved that Detroit got fleeced. MJ and Grant Hill, MJ stays because nobody would have been able to beat them. They would smoke the Spurs. They may have beaten the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Grant Hill might have had a different career trajectory.

So one man saving you is better than a superteam saving you 😂

The amount of help Lebron has had throughout his career is insane. Still won less than Kobe and Jordan, so how is he better

@juliuscaesar6994

7 ай бұрын

4 MVPs.. lmfao.. that alone is more than most player that's ever played

Man let Lebron have his co-star average just 15ppg in the Finals twice like Pippen in 1998 and in 1996 the media would be crying LeBron has no help and is playing with bums. Wade, Irving, AD all clear Pippen in that 2nd 3peat. Hell Austin Reeves clears Pippen in the 1998 Finals.

Drexler, Barkley , Reggie, Dominique, Glen Rice, Sprewell, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway are just a few that could have just as easily won with MJ instead of Pippen. I used to love Pip before his latest antics, he was a good player but he wouldn't have been anything without Jordan cause he just didn't have the toughness to get over the humps.

@FoxUnitNell

7 ай бұрын

And I noticed a lot of them lead their teams as the number one on the team too unlike Pippen who didn't make the finals when Jordan retired.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@FoxUnitNell 1 and a half season is not a good sample when only looking at rings. Cause Jordan sidn't wing rings with Oakley and Woolridge. Is Hill all of a sudden not get injured at age 25? They aren't winning with Glen Rice not 6 and 0. It takes defense to win and passing. Dominique doesn't player defense. Reggie. Who would play PG and guard Magic then. Drexler and Barkley ok they were 20 million a year players and top 5 in the NBa.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@FoxUnitNell Pippen and Jordan were a good fit. Both FAST WINGS with good size. Also BOTH were Great Leapers and BOTH COULD SHOOT SCORE PASS, DRIBBLE THE COURT, FOOTWORK, DEFEND, STEAL, BLOCK RUN AND GET OUT ON THE FAST BREAKS . that has only happened one other time in NBA history which was James and Wade but they only won 2. Pippen won 6.

Pippen didn’t win without Jordan! No ring in Portland. No ring in Houston.

All i know is Lebron has played with 4 MVPs.. How many MVPs MJ play with???

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

All the guys you are referring to were washed up and old, not remotely starters. This is the level of casual that represents Jordashians. You actually think this is something legit too. MJ fans are just sad creatures.

@juliuscaesar6994

7 ай бұрын

@@phillyphan1346 no keep it simple homie.. we know that King James deserves only the very best ever all the time but life ain't fair.. Facts are facts bro.. Name 1 MVP MJ played with??

@housepumpinpc3983

7 ай бұрын

​​@@phillyphan1346sorry but Scottie was washed and old and was in the MVP convo ONCE his whole career. And washed Wade tried to save LeBron with 27ppg in 2011. Your savior didn't bother showing up.

@kylonp7311

7 ай бұрын

@@phillyphan1346Rodman and Harper was washed to 🤡

Sharpe has a habit of taking a position not based on reality, but he wants you to think he knows something you don’t. Well here is something - basketball is a team sport and the really successful players win with guys who know their role. The best player on the team does his thing while the other players pick up the slack because one player cannot beat five. The Bulls defense was top rated because they all knew their role. The Bulls offense at times came from unexpected players because they knew MJ could not win it alone, and so did MJ.

@user-lt1fx2he5s

7 ай бұрын

It’s funny because before 2016, he wasn’t talking about lebron being on Jordan level

@NateO123

6 ай бұрын

The bulls defense was also great cuz Michael was amazing at defense and didn’t shy away from locking up the most threatening players. The man was a leader and his team rallied around him.

Thank you for making this video. I argue this topic all the time with my bronite friends. 😅

Who really watched the 80 and 90 NBA knows the truth

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

I WATCHED IT AND PIPPEN'S FLOOR GAME IS SECOND TO NONE. SCORING HE IS 10TH BEST. BUT FLOOR GAME HE IS SECOND TO NONE PIPPEN WAS EFFECTIVE EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIS STYLE HE WON THE MOST GAMES EVER AND IT WAS MAJORLY HIM THAT DID IT. JORDAN WAS WORTHY BUT PIPPEN WAS MAGIC.

@user-ww5zt9zt4s

7 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc are you watch it and you said that Jordan was worthy and Pippen was Magic wow how old are you

They always say 1-9 before Pippen or couldn't get out of first round before Pippen. Yet if you ask them how Pippen was the reason for the Bulls improvement and win in the first round in his rookie year you get silence or talking about what he did in championship years

@JET1970

7 ай бұрын

And what you jordansexuals never mention is that once the triangle was implemented to get the ball to move instead of being I'm Jordan hand is what help that year you speak of but Jordan still isn't winning without Pippen

@HYB1111

7 ай бұрын

Cuz its a simpletons talking point. How u gone save somebody riding the bench ur first 3 years in? Never mind Horace Grant' contributions on offense and defense. They just hear something that sounds good, but upon further review, they know nada

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

MJ was 1-9 though before Pippen and didnt get out of the 1st round before Pippen was on the roster. Is that not a fact?

@Sf75178

7 ай бұрын

@@JET1970 well that had nothing to do with my comment

@Sf75178

7 ай бұрын

@@HYB1111 exactly

Kyrie, ray allen, Adam silver and crying saved lebron

Thank you for making the point I’ve been making for years about the whole 94 team. That squad is the only one in modern history to basically have a dynasty only lose its best guy, not all its guys and keep the championship pedigree built from a 3peat while simultaneously being unburdened of expectations for winning. No one was gunning for the MJ less Bulls because no one expected them to do anything. And in that vacuum, with arguably the GOAT coach, the GOAT second banana at his peak, and all those championship role players plus a star Euro add in Kukoc, they got to still be the hunter while being a 3x defending champion. It has never happened before and it will never happen again. But like you said, after reality set in with the 95 season…Horace Grant in Orlando, Cartwright and Paxson retired, and the reality of no MJ set in, they were 31-30 when MJ made the decision to come back and 34-31 when he actually did. Patently mediocre. It’s ridiculous how people who weren’t around trying to retcon history.

@aarontrainor9918

7 ай бұрын

34-31

John Elway went to 3 sb by himself in the 80s... He didn't win until the 90s but nobody in Denver it in orange will tell you TD or Shannon were better and just as valuable as John Elway. Just like no Ravens fan will say Shannon was as valuable as Lewis.

I didn't start hearing about the scoring title and pippin until LeBron quit on the cavs on live tv vs golden state in game one of the Finals.

Shanon is lost. Funny thing when u talk to lebronites you can say MJ has more rings more mvp more fmvp, their retort is to try dimish Jordan rather than big up lebron

Did Kobe saved Shaq from losing in the playoffs?🤔

@ziginaigra

7 ай бұрын

no it was other way around

@throeawae2130

7 ай бұрын

@@ziginaigra but kobe won without shaq huh.

@jesper3315

7 ай бұрын

Yes he did. First chip. Kobe was super clutch in Game 4 of the Finals. He scored 22 points in the second half and led the team to an OT victory after O'Neal had fouled out of the game. Bryant converted the final shot of the game to put the Los Angeles Lakers ahead by 120-118. With a 116-111 Game 6 victory

@jesper3315

7 ай бұрын

Kobe did save shaq. And this is only the first ring. You can look up more if you like.. Kobe was super clutch in Game 4 of the Finals. He scored 22 points in the second half and led the team to an OT victory after O'Neal had fouled out of the game. Bryant converted the final shot of the game to put the Los Angeles Lakers ahead by 120-118. With a 116-111 Game 6 victory

@ziginaigra

7 ай бұрын

@@throeawae2130 shaq won 1 too without kobe

Thank you for the video. It was FLAWLESS

All of these former NBA players with horrible takes just prove that they're not better than analyst who were never in the league when it comes to accurately assessing the game.

When anyone says Pippen saved Jordan, that's not true. I do believe Scottie helped Michael tremendously, but I don't believe Scottie was as great as people say he is. I don't think he was better than Dwyane Wade. Dwyane Wade won a championship before LeBron was there and LeBron fans will ignore that or say D-Wade had Shaq. Yes D-Wade had Shaq but this wasn't prime Shaq. It was tail end of prime Shaq. Shaq's prime was over after 06.

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

MJ never won a title without a teammate who was either All NBA or All Defense. LBJ won in 2016 without an All NBA or All Defensive teammate. MJ never won a playoff series with the Bulls without Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen won more playoff series without MJ with the Bulls than MJ won with the Bulls without Scottie. These are all facts.

@Rubrick23.

7 ай бұрын

​@@phillyphan1346Bro you some kind of special. Scotti did not. The bulls have the records for regular season with MJ. So... how could Scotty without MJ. Only one thing is proven... Scotty and phill had a chance to win something with mj. They did not™!

@Boshimatrix

7 ай бұрын

@@phillyphan1346Lebron had Kyrie Irving, and don’t listen to this BS nba top 75 list, they put dame, westbrook and AD over Kyrie, Kyrie is definetly better than these 3. + Lebron was in a team WAYYYY more stronger than the bulls with 3 hall of fames (D wade, Bosh and Ray Allen).

@awesomereviews1561

7 ай бұрын

Pippen wasn’t even always the second best player for the bulls. In 1992 it was Horace Grant and in 1996 it was Dennis Rodman. Pippen was also not an all star for the 6 titles ( only 4 times). He deserves credit but this is getting out of control.

@juliuscaesar6994

7 ай бұрын

​@@phillyphan1346lebron has played with 4 MVPs.. MJ, 0.. these are also facts😂

Always on point my bro, great video!!!

So Pippen saved Jordan...Ok, But Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, and Ray Allen didn't save his guy? I can see the logic🤔

the current generation of fans simply do not understand... They cannot mentally grasp that a player like MJ could be that dominant in every facet of the game... they've never seen it..

Great video! It seems like Shannon and Nick Wright were put on this planet to downplay MJ. Sooo sad to have that mission in life.

Its crazy, the first 10-15 years after Jordan retired, not one single person, player or other, would say anything negative about Jordans game, even the dumb thought we are now hearing, that he never passed, he always passed, just early on he didnt trust his teammates, and went one on one more than critics may like. Even Isiah Thomas wouldnt talk junk on Jordan until the last dance came out. Jordan was the greatest basketball player, and i think he was at his greatest from 87-91, but evolved his game as he got older to become a totally different offensive player. He went from a slasher with a great mid game to a low post player with a great mid game and he was great at all those skills, and not enough gets made about it. He is among the top level assist per game players at his position despite his haters thinking he was selfish and never passed the ball. Thats just a once for a short time partial truth that has been turned into a completely different thing and its BS.

@liumatt2874

7 ай бұрын

I would also add that MJ played in the triangle offence system, which means the ball gets passed around a lot and not many will get the assist in that system ( also the way you can get a assist stats has changed so it's easier to get one nowadays ) and yet he still has decent assist stats in his career, calling him selfish is just a stupid argument those LBJ fan boy like to make.

@dougdickason

7 ай бұрын

@@liumatt2874 right, but his best year for assists was the one before chicago brought in Phil and the triangle. In fact, the coach the year before was Doug Collins who put MJ at the point for about the last third of the season and he was unbelievable as he still averaged over 30 a game in those 17 or 18 games, and was just shy of averaging a triple-double during that time with almost 11 rebounds and 9.5 assists per game. The people who were big sports talk radio fans back then may remember all the talk after the season questioning whether MJ might be a better point guard than Magic and whether he should stay at point or go back to his natural position but the Bulls chose instead to bring Phil and the triangle. The haters or ignorant "experts" like in this video would not believe that story, but its true and we barely ever hear about it. Also, MJ holds the record for the highest assists per game average in a finals series by a NON point guard at a little over 11 a game. There is tons of proof that MJ was not always a shoot first or never pass player but these haters wont have anything to do with it.

@liumatt2874

7 ай бұрын

@@dougdickason Like when he was asked before the final series against Portland, what does he think about Drexler's has better three point shot than him, he replied that he choose not to shoot three and the very next game, we all know what happened, the famous shrug game with a final record of three point shot made. And yet people like to say MJ is bad at threes.

@dougdickason

7 ай бұрын

@@liumatt2874 That was a special trait todays fans dont understand about Jordan, like the Portland story you just said. Anytime Jordan had an "off" game or someone got over on him, or someone said something in the paper, i always made sure to tune in next game because he was going to go off for 40 or 50, and he would. He was always looking for a reason to destroy an opponent and show who the best guy was.

EXACTLY…ppl want to discount MJ for the sake of Pippen, but don’t bring up the facts that : - Lebron COST DWade an FMVP AND a ring (if DWade wins the 2011 FMVP, that affects Lebron’s GOAT argument on a WHOLE ‘nother level) in 2011. - Kyrie could have ARGUABLY been the FMVP of 2016, as he DOMINATED Curry, and was the best player in that series through the first four games…he only had ONE really bad game (10 pts - Game 2), and averaged 27/4/4/2 for the series as the “second best” player…that’s better than a host of FMVPs’ stat lines! - Anthony Davis in 2020 playing at a FMVP level 🤷🏾‍♂️. Again, name me ANOTHER Superstar who’s had that as his backup??? I can only point to 3 others : - West with Wilt in the early 70s - Kareem with Magic in the early 80s - Shaq with Kobe in the early 00s …and yet, only ONE of these players ALWAYS gets denigrated - not celebrated - in this category…(we know WHO)….yet Pippen gets pumped into THIS group??? GTFOH.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

NO ONE DISCOUNTS JORDAN. PIPPEN IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN DISCOUNTED PROOF IS BY THE TEST OF TIME. HIS BASKETBALL CARDS HAVE RISEN THE MOST OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. EVEN MORE THAN JORDAN CARDS.

@RichardRennes

7 ай бұрын

You might want to change the date on the Kyrie one(2011).

@twilitezn

7 ай бұрын

@@RichardRennes Lol…thanks! Done.

It's insane that people think LeBron is better than Jordan and the fact that Jordan never lost in the finals. LeBron shouldn't be brought up in comparison to Jordan. LeBron is great, but Jordan is Iconic. Shannon Sharpe can't name any reasons why LeBron is better than Jordan. He just don't like Jordan and he might be a paid Clutch employee. But you never know. He said out his own mouth that when he met Jordan, that he didn't seem real. 🤦🏾‍♂️ Shannon Sharpe be big cappin' 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 Jordan is the GOAT and he can't stand it when others or the majority says so. 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

Ariza is insane. Scottie averaged 20 only 3 times in the regular season. One of those times was without MJ.

Pip is a slightly better Iggy - great player, but is currently the MOST OVERRATED PLAYER in NBA history If you want to "take" some credit from MJ - MJ didn't win without the Triangle Offense. Pippen was 1000% replaceable.

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

When did Iggy finish in the top 3 voting for league MVP?

@eazyduzit-tr3nx

7 ай бұрын

@@phillyphan1346hilarious how you LBJ fans love to discredit players in MJ’s era who actually won MVP or came in second but will use that “Pippen finished 3rd in MVP” argument like crazy lol.

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

@@beery6659 The point of my question clearly indicates Pippen was more than just slightly better than Iggy. Learn the game you ignorant casual.

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

@@eazyduzit-tr3nx He's literally saying Pippen is a slightly better version than Iggy. It is mad disrespectful. Not to you or anyone on this channel, as a majority, if not all, are ignorant casuals. But my question alone is proof enough how ridiculous the claim is. Choke on it you ignorant casual.

Just curious - what stats demonstrate Pippen’s “playmaking” capabilities? Or any players’ ? Are there other stats available that can measure his impact?

Mike made Pip the player he was plain and simple.

I really don't understand why 6 NBA Finals losses gets more praise than 6 NBA Finals won, literally a head-scratching moment for me by these Bron fanboys.

Pippen saved MJ? 1998 finals game 6 Pippen only scored 8pts due to bad back and migraine. That’s non-existent, MJ should have lost game 6 and 7 and have 1 less championship if he needed Pippen to save him. MJ’s “yall can go home and play game 7, i’m winning this TONIGHT” mentality holds its own weight with 45 pts.

Definitely appreciate you

If anything, Grant and Rodman saved Jordan. Remember - the year when MJ came back to the bulls from his MLB adventure... The Bulls didn't have a good PF who is also a good rebounder and they didn't make it to the finals.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

TRUE IN THE 90'S YOU NEED GOOD PF'S.

great stuff

great analysis.. "media using pippen in attempt to down play MJ" EXACTLY!!

Funny how before the fake lebron goat debate, this same media used to argue that Scotty wasn't a top 50 player. Jordan made him. He doesn't belong in the HOF. Now in order to help Bron, he's top 20/30 and near MJs level. If they gotta do all of this craziness to push Bron ahead, cause basketball isn't doing it, what's that tell you. He ain't the GOAT/

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

no one thinks lebron is top 10 actually. All he has is stats... Yet Doncic has twice as many stats.

“It seemed like every time he got on the court, good things would happen,” Jackson recalled. “He had an opportunity to help us win games almost immediately, many times from the defensive end of the floor.”

Pippen was drafted in 97, they didn't win a chip til 91, so how did Pippen save MJ.

I get embarrassed for Shannon every time he opens his mouth.. dudes like a full grown child. Apparently in recent years Scottie is a generational talent.. no one else who could have filled the spot 😂

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

THOSE TWO BLOCKS ON CHARLES SMITH... WHAT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. HE ALSO HAD 25 POINTS 7 ASSISSTS AND 9 REBOUNDS IN THAT GAME WITH 3 TEALS 3 BLOCKS AND 8 DEFLECTIONS CHALLENGING OVER 45 SHOTS AND THE KNICKS ONLY SHOT 37% ON THOSE SHOTS IF HE WAS WITHIN 10 FEET.

@GABEMOORE533

7 ай бұрын

🗣️🎯EXACTLY ! THANK Y👤U , MAN .>🎤 🏀🗑️

15 seasons on a weak eastern conference mostly played on a team with 3 all stars.. 3 all stars in 1 team in his prime on a weak conference! How? How is it even a topic? It's not even remotely close! MJ vs Bill Russell makes more sense or MJ and Kareem.. Kareem vs Bill Russell or MJ vs Kobe, that would make more sense as a topic.. The topic MJ vs lebron is starting to get pathetic for lebron fanboys as years go by and people start to notice where he got those championships and who he played against and with..

We need data on the actual matchups on Defense, Pippen typically hard to guard the opposing team best player and slow them down while Jordan did not guard the best players so therefore his stats maybe skewed. Please do a video on this as a loyal fan!

Best videos on youtube!

2 3 peats,nuff said...

Jordan made Pippen who he was. What the hell he talking about 😅😅😅😅

It’s really never talked about

I am 44 yrs old, n I've lived thru the jordan era. Pip def was a nice piece of the bulls dynamics, but never was he on mikes level. Pip cured the lack of mike had n mike cured the lack of that scottie had. Great teammates!!! Pip is not overrated at all, but he is over exaggerated a small small bit. Is there any team i create pips on it. Yet, sharp, wright ,colin, and perk will never bring that same energy with Wade, irving, and davis.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

IN THE FLOOR GAME HE MIGHT BE THE BEST EVER. JORDAN COULD BE SECOND BEST EVER IN THE FLOOR GAME. WHEN YOU ADD THE CRAZY PPG BY JORDAN THAT IS WHEN HE GETS RANKED HIGHER . BUT PIPPEN COULD'VE WON 6 WITH SHAQ, HAKEEM, ROBINSON OR ANY SCORER THAT IS AROUND 30 PPG. PIPPEN IS THE ULTRA ATHLETIC MAGIC WITH NUMBER 1 ALL TIME DEFENSE.

@phillyphan1346

7 ай бұрын

@@beery6659 So the Rockets losing in 1999 in the first round when Olajuwon & Pippen were old AF means that Pippen wouldnt have won with Shaq, Hakeem, David Robinson in their primes? Shut up kid. Saying something stupid doesn't make you right.

The pippen vs Jordan debate goes way deeper than stats. Pippen basically made it his job to raise Jordan up at every opportunity. Pippen was also the go to back up shot. His impact was extremely underrated even to this day.

Where are all the titles without Pippen?

“His greatest strength was his knowledge of how things worked on the defensive end of the floor,” Phil Jackson said. “Scottie was the voice of our team-figuratively and literally, as he did a lot of the talking and kept our team on the same page. When he wasn’t at the top of the key harassing a guard as a special assignment, he was on the backside of our defense talking his teammates through different situations, whether it was a double team, trap or some other important aspect. Because of that, he was very vital to the run that we made.”

Reminds me of when people tried to downplay Tom Brady. They would say: “They went 11-5 without Brady!” Completely ignoring that they went 18-1 the season before… 🙄

people say he was robbed to go to the finals because of a "phantom" call by a referee in the 1993 and 1994 season without Jordan

Great take and thank you for highlighting the facts. I think every LeBron fan uses the Pippen take bc when Jordan left they still made the playoffs. Which is understandable but its bc the team Jordan played with the stood and kept the Jordan culture alive. Cant really say that for any franchise Lebron has been at. He isn't a teacher or knows how to build his teammates up. It seems more after seeing all these numbers that Lebron is the one always being carried to winning a championship. He might have been there ten times but he doesn't close without someone closing it for him. That's what I get from this analysis.

If u do wades stats from 12-14 it would look like pippen

If this guy says "insane shooting splits," I dont have to look at my phone screen to understand exactly what the stats are 😂

@twilitezn

7 ай бұрын

Anthony Davis was on pace to score at a record 60/40/90 pace, yet was the second best player in that Finals 🤨 But Pippen was “just as good” as MJ, and “SAVED” his legacy…

"He was a real force on our team in that regard and Michael recognized that.” “Michael came back from the Olympics and he told me Scottie was the second best player on that team,” said Jackson. “

tell them to watch Game 6 of the 1998 finals when Scottie's back was thrown out. What happened to the bulls when Jordan first retired, they didn't make the finals until his first full season back in 1995-96. That Jazz team was really good too.

If Ariza is saying that Pippen BELIEVED that he was as good/valuable as Jordan I would be willing to go with that. Reality doesn't match that notion, but I could believe that Pippen believed it.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

in overall game Pippen is right up there even with Jordan.

@craigjohnston5781

7 ай бұрын

@JimBrave-ri1oc No, no he is not. He never was, if you have any statistic to back up that claim by all means I would love to see it. But by literally every metric that measures value including base statistics and advanced Jordan was significantly more valuable.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@craigjohnston5781 55 wins with just Grant and Armstrong.

@craigjohnston5781

7 ай бұрын

@JimBrave-ri1oc 2nd round exit, then 34-31 the next season. 13-4 once MJ came back and made it to Eastern conference finals. None of these stats necessarily speak to a specific individuals value.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@craigjohnston5781 It's not even cherry picking it's worse. You're completely disregarding his 15 ALL NBA TEAMS and his MANY VOTES FOR FINALS MVP OVER 38 votes. the Reaon Pippen is the bst ever is caue he won 6 Rings. It doesn't matter how he got them. The fact is he WON 6 Rings as an All Star so he is the best ever.

Pippen was the best work out partner for Jordan, and i believe that was his biggest contribution to the wins. Going one on one just kept Jordan sharp, and it was very intelligent for Pippen to take this roll seriously and it paid off in two three peats. Really set his character as humble and unselfish and generous despite whatever major incident reveals that stood the test of time.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

NO ONE PUTS PIPPEN OVER JORDAN. JORDAN IS NUMBER 1 ALL TIME. PIPPEN IS ABOUT 4TH OR 5TH ALL TIME. AFTER DUNCAN AND A FEW OTHERS.

@gmoney_404

7 ай бұрын

​@@JimBrave-ri1oc, 4th or 5th All time? 😂😂😂 He's top 50, but Pippen doesn't move the needle enough to be top 10 or top 20.

"Pippen stood tall without Jordan in 1993-94" "...led the Bulls to a 55-27 record, a level of play that no one thought could be achieved without the services of No. 23." He even got MVP.

This video is 🔥

Jordan obviously needed Pippen but every star needs other good players in order to win. Plus look at Jordan's '88 season first MVP with a rookie and ineffective Pippen. Other stars needed other great players but you don't hear major criticism of Kareem for needing Magic or that Shaq needed Kobe. Same thing here in all 3 cases it was just chance that the team that already had an all time great ended up getting another big star. The only time criticism on this is warranted is if this star seeks out another star like with LeBron or Durant. Also this is coming from someone who loves LeBron and never saw Jordan live.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

Pippen was more than Effective Point Forward Rookie. Collins just sucked as a coach and never let anyone play.

@gabrielmurray929

7 ай бұрын

Good point in a different way Pippen was fairly good early but it did take until about year 3 or 4 for him to get really good which isn't a knock on him it's just that he first really started to ascend in '90.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

@@gabrielmurray929 He was a top 15 player by 1989. at just age 24.

Well it's the other way Around. Wade, bosh, Allen, Irving and AD save LeBums Career 😂🤣

I WISH I could send this video to Shannon Sharpe Nick Wrong & Kendrick Perkins...😅.

They just jealous. They never sold out a stadium before and they’re little weak WNBA careers.

Again neither one could win without the other!

“He would rebound and push the ball, which really put us in an ideal situation to set up our offense,” explained Jackson. “His skills at guard with the basketball in his hands put a tremendous amount of pressure on opponents to match up.”

How many 20 points 6 assist players were there at the time? Plug anyone of them in Bulls do the same.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

NOT THAT MANY THAT COULD REBOUND AT 8 WITH PFS AND CENTERS. ALSO AS THE BEST DEFENDER IN THE NBA.

In the 1996 playoffs pippen was playing on an ankle that needed surgery that affected his offensive game badly he even spent time on IR during the second half the 1995/1996 season so that why he struggled during the 1996 playoffs

If this MF-er is gonna say Pippen saved Jordan, then Ray Allen saved Lebron in Miami and Kyrie saved Lebron in Cleveland.

Pippen is like Wiggens to Steph, or Klay post injury to Steph.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

PIPPEN IS HAVLICHEK TO RUSSELL AND SAM JONES

Are they talking about the same Pippen, Kobe destroyed in front of MJ? 🤔

This is probably the only subject I will never respect Unc's opinion on. Complete shambles.

18ppg on 39% shooting is such nasty work. Gnarly dude

WTF am I reading??!! Pippen was not even an All Star for 2 of the 6 rings. Horace Grant was better than Pippen in 1992. Pippen underperformed in the playoffs. Shanon is definitely on the Klutch Sport payroll.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

EVERYONE KNOWS HE SHOULD'VE MADE IT IN 91. HE AVERAGED LIKE 20 / 8 / 6 / 3 / 1 AND WAS THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE TIED WITH HAKEEM AND MJ. ALSO SHOULD'VE BEEN ALL NBA FIRST TEAM IN 1993

Crazy talk. Pip was a complete chump in the clutch.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

SO IF YOU WERE THE TEAMS BEST PLAYER YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SHOOT THE LAST SHOT. WE SHOULD COMMEND PIPPEN FOR WANTING THE LAST SHOT. HE CERTAINLY DESREVED IT. THEY WIN THAT SERIES AND THE CHAMPIONSHIP IF PIPPEN GETS THAT LAST SHOT. PIPPEN WAS RIGHT.

@Sf75178

7 ай бұрын

Based on actual history Pippen wasn't shooting well in the clutch

@TheGr8-1

7 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc delusional. Go sit on the bench and refuse to go in like that chump did.

Jordan not even better than Lebron 😂

Phil Jackson said because of Pippin's leadership in the 1993-94 without Jordan made it possible for the Bulls to go as far as they did and I believe with a knew roster too... either way the team played on selfishly

Having a good travel agent save Labrons career

Taking on the Los Angeles Lakers in the 1991 NBA Finals, the Bulls lost the first game, 93-91, at the old Chicago Stadium. Jackson made a switch and assigned Pippen to Magic Johnson for the rest of the series, resulting in four straight victories and the organization’s first of six NBA titles.

The Bulls cruised in 93 due to attrition. I’m glad you addressed this.

@JimBrave-ri1oc

7 ай бұрын

THEY DIDN'T CRUISE THEY RAN INTO 2 SERIES FOR THE AGES WITH THE KNICKS THEN SUNS. PIPPEN WAS THE REASON THEY GOT PAST THEM.

@TheGr8-1

7 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc the REGULAR season. They cruised.

@Sf75178

7 ай бұрын

​@@JimBrave-ri1ocexplain how Pippen was the reason

@lastman4853

7 ай бұрын

@@JimBrave-ri1oc Pippen was MVP of the knicks series, but Jordan carried them against the Suns.