Worst part about the Warsong Commander nerf was that they didn't even bother to decrease the mana cost to 2. Can't have it buffing all those charge minions.

@NateRox

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t want to remove it from odd warrior 😂

Ironbeak Owl was quite popular when it was a 2 mana 2/1 then it was nerfed to 3 mana and no longer saw play. Similarly, Big Game Hunter was popular (Especially during the Handlock + Dr 7 meta) as a 3 mana 4/2 and then was nerfed to 5 mana (It has since been reduced to 4 mana) Undertaker was oppressively powerful when it gave +1/+1 whenever you summoned a Deathrattle minion, then it got nerfed to only giving +1 attack and became useless (It has since been reverted and sees no relevant play) Aviana was a key part of a powerful Druid combo at 9 mana until she was nerfed to 10 mana and became much less popular due to needing to Innervate Kun out (Nowadays, Alignment exists and makes the card completely irrelevant) Bloodbloom enabled the Warlock Mecha'thun combo at 2 mana as you discounted Mecha'thun by 2 with 2x Galvanisers and could then use Bloodbloom to cheat out Cataclysm. Since it's nerf to 4 mana it has ceased being a card (Also, Warlock has had better Mecha'thun combos since) Power Word: Shield has been a staple card in Priest forever as a 1 mana Give a minion +2 health and Draw a card. When it was nerfed to be 0 mana and no longer draw a card it saw 0 play (Outside of Tombs of Terror where it was an instant OTK with the Moonfire hero power and the Explorer treasure) Arcane Golem was a poor mans Leeroy as a 3 mana 4/2 Charge. It then got nerfed into a 4/4 without charge and became useless (It has since been reverted and sees no play) Keeper of the Grove was quite popular in Druid as a decent stat minion with a flexible effect at 4 mana 2/4 but got nerfed into a 2/2 and became useless (It has since been reverted and sees no play) Force of Nature was a very popular combo piece together with Savage Roar for a lot of from hand burst damage when it summoned 3x 2/2 Treants with Charge that died at the end of the turn. It was nerfed so that they no longer had charge but didn't die at the end of the turn and has been irrelevant since then. Yogg-Saron has always been a popular card for the fun shenanigans it can bring. It was nerfed so that if it died or was silenced/transformed during its battlecry then it would stop casting spells. This basically killed the card especially when you were often unlucky and had him kill himself as the first spell cast... It has since been reverted and continues being a fun meme card. Charge was a combo enabler card as a 3 mana give a minion charge and +2 attack. It was nerfed into a 1 mana card that just gave a minion charge but the inability to attack heroes that turn (I.e. Rush) which was awful. It has since been reverted and sees play only in meme OTK combos. Tuskarr Totemic was a high variance card when it had the battlecry of summon ANY totem (Including Mana Tides and Totem Golems) and was nerfed to only summon a random basic totem and is now useless. Mana Wyrm was a staple card in Mage as a 1 mana 1/3 it was later nerfed to 2 mana. It has been somewhat reverted and is now a 1 mana 1/2 and doesn't see play. Giggling Inventor was a popular card as a 5 mana instant wall from summoning 2 Annoy-o-Trons. It got nerfed to 7 mana and became too clunky to ever use. It has seen no play since then. These are what I can recall from the top of my head.

@jeremiahsmith8499

Жыл бұрын

Giggling inventor's nerf was partially reverted a while back, and no longer costs 7 mana. It costs 6. Still sees no play though. Anyway, great list! That's a lot of Hearthstone knowledge you have

@murlocaggrob2192

Жыл бұрын

Ironbeak Owl saw play in Odd Paladin and Odd Rogue at 3 mana as a way to get through Taunts.

@Yondaime_Me

Жыл бұрын

Yogg-Saron did see play after the nerf. And it was a fair nerf, to be honest

@s7edgekat610

Жыл бұрын

This!!! Zeddy missed the. All on this one big TIME... No mention of ironbeak(every face huntard had it) & big game hunter...if you wanted to ladder you had to had to craft this purple to beat handlocks with 4 8/8s...do this video again zeddy

Warsong commander’s Give charge to misions with 3 attack or less is ALREADY A NERFED VERSION. Originally it gave charge to all summoned minions. Giant warrior with Molten giants and the Return Panda was a thing. I miss that deck.

@azpont7275

Жыл бұрын

I get to play the OG Giant Warrior one last time?

Mindrender Illucia should cost 2 mana, I don't understand why they didn't reverse the cost to 2 when they nerfed the card. And Sorcerers Apprentice should be a 5/4. I hate it when they increase a card's mana cost but leave its stats the same.

@locogato3488

Жыл бұрын

Illucia should definitely be 2 Mana I would even say 1 Mana but it could be broken with Harvester of Envy, bur Sorcerer Apprentice should stay dead forever.

Man i miss the time when the worst thing that your opponent can play was a 4 mana 7/7 ,nowdays rogue can summon a 8/8 with stealth at turn 3... How long can this go on

@batatac4mil86

Жыл бұрын

More like a 12/12

@lacki600

Жыл бұрын

You mean that shaman card 7/7 right ? :D

@elianluna1030

Жыл бұрын

@@lacki600 or druid of the fang

im surprised you didnt talk about mana wyrm. it went from 1 mana 1/3 to 2 mana 1/2 and it got murdered. they reverted the nerf partially making it 1 mana 1/2 and still no play

@slowedvsbattle

Жыл бұрын

mana wyrm went from 1 mana 1/3 to 2 mana 1/3, not 2 mana 1/2.

@mangouschase

Жыл бұрын

it's not from HS, but I saw the exact same thing happen to another card. It was a 2 mana 1/3 that conditionally buffed other minions by 2/2 (if you weren't a monkey, it was free basically). It meant that, on turn 3, you had (potentially) two 5/5s stacked on a lane, dealing 10dmg while they had 20 max HP. Got reduced to 1/2 and instantly died. Dead to basically every single removal card, non-tech turn one and two minions, etc. Got back to 1/3, saw the light of day again.

@ignacioperez5479

Жыл бұрын

@@slowedvsbattle the first nerf was 2 mana 1/2. i remember it because is one of my favourite cards

@ignacioperez5479

Жыл бұрын

@@mangouschase manawyrm was a 1 mana 1/3 that gained +1 attack after you cast a spell permanently

@mangouschase

Жыл бұрын

@@ignacioperez5479 with the twinspell mechanic and amount of 0-cost spells, that's broken.

Illucia is a victim of an overall design issue within hearthstone. Lack of interaction between players. It is so rare, but a nessery part of any control stratagy. Problem is, because they are so rare and the limitation of 1 per deck for a lot of legendaries (which are almost always the wincon of the deck) the effect is insanely powerful. Further Illucia only really became a balance problem with the Hearthstone design team tried to force a aggro stratagy into the class designed for midgame/control stratagies.

Zeddy, how did you forget the card that started the whole balance change process, Undertaker!! Also changing mind control from 8 mana to 10 was pretty huge for a Priest main like me. Also Nat Pagle and Tinkmaster Overspark were god tier in the beta and then unplayable trash after nerfs.

@impkiller5932

Жыл бұрын

But 10 mana mind control was so much better. You play a 6 mana 4/4 witch and she looked at mind control and summoned a 10 mana minion.

@5starview

Жыл бұрын

Mind control tech got nerfed also. It used to switch with another minion on the board instead of your opponent controlling 4 or more minions.

@tarille1043

Жыл бұрын

@@5starview MCT still saw play after that change. To the point it was hugely oppressive in Arena and had to get Hall of Famed and removed from Arena ever since (Even when Classic set is in the Arena pool, it is without MCT) As far as OP goes... Pagle definitely got crushed by his nerf. Tinkmaster still saw a little play after his nerf especially since hitting things like a pre-emptive Sylvanas on an empty board was often a play and then transforming it even into a 5/5 was great. 10 mana mind control still saw play in Arena and certain heavy control lists.

@christianpasso

Жыл бұрын

@@impkiller5932 what are you talking about?

@impkiller5932

Жыл бұрын

@@christianpasso Spiteful Summoner from cobolds and catacombs.

I crafted golden kingsbane back in the day, still have it cause I love the card. Bring back leeching poison!

@nyx3988

Жыл бұрын

I agree also back then there was 0 respond to that card now you have one (if i not wrong kobold sticki finger ?)

@arnoldasbucys7786

Жыл бұрын

Kingsbane still a thing. U no need any lifesteal. Unless u hate priest. then u need it

@nyx3988

Жыл бұрын

@@arnoldasbucys7786 i know it is still a thing but you know meta is pretty much agro all of the time now

@tarille1043

Жыл бұрын

@@nyx3988 People tried that... Kingsbane Rogue just takes it back with their own Stickyfinger 🤣

@nyx3988

Жыл бұрын

@@tarille1043 i know but still they could also add other cards etc also i guess that is still better that what is happening with rouge now

i personally miss leeching poison. back in the day i opened kingsbane from a pack and tried the deck. it taught me a lot about managing my resources in order to stay alive and reach that crazy late game, every decision mattered. on the current wild meta i don't think it would see competitive play, swordfish outclassed kingsbane on pirate rogue and anti-control decks have been a joke for the most part, specially on rogue. but still, people have been traumatized and hate kingsbane to this day so i don't think it'll ever be unnerfed. if i was blizz i'd unnerf the card for a week and see what happens, if it's op as many fear then i'd revert the nerf. another thing that will never happen.

Naga Sea Witch from 5 > 8 mana bcos you could cheat giant’s out. I think the mage twinspell card was also nerfed then by one mana but got reverted (?) Luna’s Pocket Galaxy, don’t ask me how many changes I just remember there being a lot lmao

Zeddy: Blizzard, nerf these broken cards!!!! Also, Zeddy: I loved playing all these degenerate broken cards... haha

Level Up was missed. That card not being odd totally murdered it.

hi Zeddy, thx for the vid what do you think about Zephrys nowadays? imo he could be so good in a meta but devs leave card too many years ago

The Illucia nerf still makes me sad, I was hoping for an early rotation out of standard, but I didn't think she was 'that toxic' in Wild. She made shadow/aggro priest very degenerate, but I still would like her to see some play in wild.

6:35 I wish when they nerfed 2 mana 1/4s they would make them a 1/5 (especially goes for a potential future Putricide nerf). That way the card is slower for sure, but they have just that extra bit of health to make 3 mana removal spells and minions not kill them. This way octobot might have stayed relevant, as there is way more potential to still be able to use it on turn 4, while at same time giving a deserved nerf.

What are your thoughts on the new Secret Mage meta in wild? That thing is everywhere.

Anyone else old enough to remember the cancer thumbnail brought? Let me refresh your nightmares :) "Charge forward" "A fight? Count me in!" "Mah blade be thirsty" "Eeeeryone get in here" "Hehe, pile on!" "Lok'thar ogar!" "Eery eery eeryone..." "Hehe, hehe, hehe, hehe..." "I strike!" You dead boi.

@abrahamovicovski

Жыл бұрын

@@ZeddyHearthstone1____ and you won a report india

This!!! Zeddy missed the. All on this one big TIME... No mention of ironbeak(every face huntard had it) & big game hunter...if you wanted to ladder you had to had to craft this purple to beat handlocks with 4 8/8s...do this video again zeddy

What is funny is when they nerfed ancient of lore, they printed Ultimate Infestation the next Patch lol

At least Master of Disguise didn't get its artwork nerfed :D

In the moment u talked about mindrender illucia my opponend played it

Honestly surprised Nellie wasn't mentioned

@enzothenet1027

Жыл бұрын

And denatthrius

@tarille1043

Жыл бұрын

@@enzothenet1027 Denathrius still sees play though. Non-Frost DK decks still get a bunch of value from him thanks to so many deathrattle and reborn minions in the class.

I can’t remember seeing anyone play Siren but it looks like a very good card

Now the jailor has joined this list!

Master of disguise has always been my favourite golden card art :)

They nerfed a card that used to give you 40 health at the beginning of the game since then the game is not enjoyable for most control player and meme player

@alteriah1484

Жыл бұрын

Go scam someone else dude

@robertlupa8273

Ай бұрын

@@alteriah1484 lolz nice reaction to a bot :D

Pirate Warrior was actually a control deck. I miss Control Warrior. I also miss the days of "Fiery Win Axe." I also miss Patron Warrior. I guess I just miss Warrior.

good video but missed one word: Undertaker

Out of all the cards, I still think The Caverns Below nerf was pretty adverse. The deck was incredibly polarizing, but fun to play. Even though it was a force in its prime, it was still incredibly risky to queue with. If I remember right, it was nerfed multiple times and the second time really killed it.

Tinkmaster overspark, it was my favorite before they destroyed it... By the way it was an essential card for balancing (as a tech card) look at taunt druid with hadranoxx or resurrect priest with Archmage Vargoth as long as it's been a problem (every exp they drop silences, break weapon, break secret, but NEVER a fucking neutral polymorph (the designer must be fired instantly)

No dread steed or grim patron?

HobGoblin nerf was crap it totally killed that card but still is one of my all time favorites. Wish they would revert it back to when ever you summon a minion.

Didn’t Drek‘Thar also get absolutely butchered. Going from the best card in the game to basically unplayable is kinda sad

5:49 nerfed ancient of lore: draw 1 cardsXD

Equality was 2 mana before nerf and became a 4 mana and it completely kill control paladin

I hope one day Shadow Essence gets added to the list.

If Spitelash Siren was a Rogue card it would be 3 mana and give you three mana back

Anyone remember Bladeflurry before nerf? It was broken

they really seem to hate warrior with as many cards they killed for Garrosh, yet Druid and Rogue are allowed to have their bullshit in like every other expansion. But I may be a bit biased.

Man i miss Illucia

They should buff Sorcerer's Apprentice's stats. Maybe make her a 4/4. I'd much rather they just reverted the imbecilic nerf though.

You forgot to include wildpaw gnoll nerf KEKW

I think Gelbin Mekkatorques healing invention used to only heal friendly characters. That should get reverted lol

@tarille1043

Жыл бұрын

It did, but it's more appropriate with its current random healing since all other inventions (Besides Homing Chicken) will target ANY minion.

2:18 if you really think that you should go and play a coinflip simulator instead, i promise you its perfectly balanced

Defile killed dreadsteed.

Yea, Aviana got absolutely gutted

Reinforcing the warrior was killed meme while not mentioning the card that actually made warrior broken and that blizzard chose not to revert. That being nelie ofc. Going from deathrattle add a charge otk to your hand to deathrattle receive mediocre value. Instead we get tidal revenant, a card that probably would have still seen play if not for the nellie nerf.

You can thank Ben Brode for most these nerfs.

Yogg-Saron.

Where is force of nature? Literally one of the best druid card that hasen't seen play ever since

Give your charge minions RUSH would of been a better nerf

Aviana nerf to 10 and all Aviana + Kun decks were gone

But I just climbed to legend today with 4 mana apprentice :(

It's missing a lot of destructive nerfs and some of the mentioned examples are not really good. Here are a few examples: Ironbeak Owl, Bloodbloom, Naga Sand Witch, Blade Flurry and Arcane Golem.

@veneficus7430

Жыл бұрын

Blade flurry is an interesting one. The card 100% needed a nerf, but at the same time it did die due to it

@Leopoldshark

Жыл бұрын

@@veneficus7430 They could have just increased the mana cost by 2 or remove the face damage, but they chose to do both. Granted, it probably had to die for Blizzard to print Kingsbane.

Bring back old cards. Azure drake buff 3 mana

draw 1 cards ? really ? ancient of lore bugs

Penflinger?

@lesiegelad

Жыл бұрын

Oh man Penflinger was definitely a huge hit. Card saw no play after that nerf.

aviana going from 9 to 10 mana

holy moly im getting trigged by this statement "it had its time" absent of logic.. goddamn devs

I also loved naga mage. Revert that stupid nerf

Giggling inventor who got nerfed to 7 mana to kill the card : 💀💀

Seedy himself admitted to grim patron warrior is when the highest skilled players won. it seems like in todays meta people just play the most degenerate deck and win. This is probably the biggest reason for hearthstone’s sad decline.

What about force of nature? This card wat broken and look at this now

Incanter flow?

Why would people even want to play Enrage or Pirates again? Just buff Spell/Fire whatever to such absurdity it becomes Tier One because screw it, just for fun, I want to see what Fire Warrior would end up being like.

I think nerfs are taking so long because of extensive testing because there are so many wrong things in the game. I dont envy the devs. Must be a hell of a job. I personally loved this damage from hand meta but I also know its not sustainable.

@veneficus7430

Жыл бұрын

honestly, i doun't think any real long term fixes are possible until the rotation. The United in stormwind cards have been a huge issue since release and keep popping up as a problem anytime anything synergizes with them. Further Bran won't be dealt with till rotation nor any of the core problematic rogue cards (if then)

They should nerf and buff 10 random cards each month a let players discover them

So sad to realize I don’t care to play hearthstone anymore. The game just isn’t worth it for me anymore. It hasn’t been fun in months

Innervate?

and now even in classic buzzard only sees minor play in hunter

NELLIE :/

and they still haven’t nerfed neptulon, which actually needs one

@jeroenslaghout

Жыл бұрын

Genuine question: If you would play Neptulon for 10 mana and couldn't get him back, does he still need a nerf? It's more the Priest resurrect cards abusing strong minions. Otherwise, they would just go back to that 4/8 Taunt, lifesteal, destroy a random minion (or any new strong minion).

@Boogapikka

Жыл бұрын

@@jeroenslaghout more so the interaction, imo, I had a priest attack my face three times with Neptulon, so his hands each hit my face twice and then on the third attack neptulon hit me with the coup de dras for a grand total of 23 damage

No mention of Jaina nerf, bad video

Clickbait Score: 0/10. Decent video.

Male tauren no more joke in WOW :/

0 views wow

@wadblah1394

Жыл бұрын

D: Wow Rude

The waffle house has found it’s new host

Nah, spreading plague nerf was massive; that's how broken plague was on 5

@murlocmasher3368

Жыл бұрын

Spreading plague is still played in 2023 in Jade Dew process decks. Nah that nerf didn’t do sh*t to the card

What really killed Hearthstone wasn't the cards, it was politics. Regardless of buff or nerf, players are decreasing

Wth no love for Nelly?