Howdy from the Philippines! I am an American missionary serving in the Philippines for the past 32 years. I am grateful for your ministry via KZread and your brief chapter-by-chapter explanations. I have found them very helpful. Thank you and may GOD continue to bless you and Jared.

May God give us more discernment on this. Unfortunately, women these days, like myself, have been conditioned by society and culture not by the unchanging word of God. I feel strongly God led me to read this chapter because He wants to show me that He indeed wants women to be submissive in the church to men because that is the designed order from the beginning. As a women I can straight up admit I have been easily deceived about many things but God is always willing to show me because I am open for correction. I noticed my husband, a very casual believer, has been given much more wisdom than I and most other women I know. He is not easily deceived. When I am submitting to Him my children follow suit and are submissive to him and me. They see the order in our home and because we are united in this we have more peace and control of our kids. Could it be order is necessary for peace and wisdom. Just some thoughts. Thank you for discussing.

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

These are my thoughts, some of which he pointed out. The book of 1 Timothy is all about false teachers. Paul mentions that Eve was deceived. When I look at false teachers today, I would say most of them are Co-pastored (wife & husband both preach). From my own EX-church i saw some reasons why this is an issue. Because the wife pastor would encourage the congregation to “get drunk in the Holy Spirit” but every time she asked the members to do this, the husband pastor would LEAVE THE SANCTUARY because he did not agree with the concept of “getting drunk in the Spirit.” That always bothered me & I also agreed with the husband, but the main point is there was division. It’s bad enough for husband & wife to be divided, but to be the PASTORS & have that division on full display for all to see was an even bigger issue. Back to false teachers, I would like to see the male to female ratio of the members of Co-pastor modeled churches. I don’t think men are as easily deceived or persuaded by a man (or woman’s) CHARISMA (would also be interested to see male to female ratio in charismatic churches). Men are grounded in FACTS & women are more influenced by FEELINGS (which is needed for her role as nurturer-she can easily sympathize & provide emotional support). For this reason, when I see any church Co-pastored by husband/wife I think there is a HIGH probability they are false teachers (where there’s smoke there’s usually fire). What I think happened, is Paul gave women a chance to pastor/teach whole churches & after he saw how many false teachers & divisions & issues this brought he said, NOPE, I’m putting an end to this. The main issue I’m seeing today is that women have taken over the church. Men have basically taken on the women’s role & become reserved & quiet & observers rather than vocal, strong leaders. Remember, our FLESH wants the OPPOSITE of what the Spirit (God) wants. So men are HAPPY to take the back seat, women are HAPPY to take the driver’s seat. As a man my (flesh) thoughts are “why would a woman WANT to take on this role. Sitting back in silence sounds AWESOME.” But we must fight against the flesh. So men must fight the urge to disappear & women must fight the urge to stand out. I found it very helpful to read all of 1 Timothy to gain even more understanding about WHY Paul gave these commands. ALL of it was to COMBAT false teaching & deception & show us the qualifications (lack thereof) & practices a false church might have. And as I said, churches that allow women to preach OFTEN have MULTIPLE boxes checked on the list of things NOT TO DO.

@calledtowin147

Жыл бұрын

Submission is as unto the Lord...in other words neither male nor female believer ought to submit to ungodliness or anything that violates our conscience should those in authority require it. The same applies across the board, in marriage, the workplace or even church.

@510awegrzyn

Жыл бұрын

Then why is it that virtually EVERY family I personally know, it is the wife, mother, woman who is the follower of Christ? The church goer, the Bible studier, the one who stead fastly prays? The seemingly actual spiritual “leader” of the home? It just doesn’t make any sense.

@coko3124

Жыл бұрын

@@510awegrzyn because women have a habit of taking matters into their own hands and leading their families rather than gently counseling their husbands and yielding to his leadership. If women just trusted God in His ordained pattern of male headship in the home then women would win over their unbelieving spouses by their gentle conduct as the scriptures say.

@arnoldvezbon6131

11 ай бұрын

@@calledtowin147 It is clear in the Bible that a woman is to submit to her husband.

hello! I'm from Brazil, and I would like to say how I feel thankful for this work to read and explain the word of God. It's so important and valuable to me, God bless all of you.

@Dale65378

Жыл бұрын

Hi @Dias74d do you believe in 1 Corinthians 14:34?

Thank you so much for explaining this chapter. God bless you all brothers and sisters 🙏

Great reminder of the context of this book and how we need to read the Bible in light of the entire Bible.

@BranchTogether

6 жыл бұрын

Right on Wayne. It's so easy to forget!

@jaydinyearwood9181

Жыл бұрын

Context The favorite word of apologetics

I will forever be thankful for all the videos ..

Great video!

Loved this message! I also think it's really cool that you're doing daily bible studies! Subscribed and excited to hear more :)

@BranchTogether

6 жыл бұрын

WhooHoo! Awesome. We read every weekday....and look forward to getting to know you.

@Dale65378

Жыл бұрын

Hi @acupoflife6938 do you believe in 1 Corinthians 14:34?

The scripture is clear. It's when we are afraid to accept it and perverse it to fit the times that we become victims of the times. All of this will pass. Scripture is timeless.

@Introverted_Genuine

Жыл бұрын

How about if it was towards men instead of women. How would you feel?

@michaelmccurdy5964

Жыл бұрын

@@Introverted_Genuine yes. God decides who we are, hence why we as Christian’s don’t believe in transgender ideas. He chose women as women for a reason (good reason) and men to be men for a reason. Does not mean a man is better than a woman, but he intentional gives guidelines for a reason.

@Seeker7257

Жыл бұрын

It is utterly clear, yet it is being disregarded by many that I have conversed with. They cannot even with the scriptures for some unknown reason, and I suspect it to be a consequence of the feminist narrative.

@Seeker7257

Жыл бұрын

@@Introverted_Genuine This is not a matter of feelings. The bible says that no one seeks God. No not one! How is the sinner supposed to 'feel'? It is referring to all humans, and we were to get offended or irked, we would be blinded from the truth! Satan does exactly that to attempt and pervert the creation of the one true God!

@dougmasters4561

9 ай бұрын

​@dreamynaya3857 how we feel is irrelevant. This is perhaps one of the reasons it is said. Women constantly concerned with how it makes one feel, and not concerned with fulfilling the roles laid out for them.

Thank you!

1 Corinthians 11 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

@tofuman7456

8 ай бұрын

Yup there's an order but some people don't want to follow it

While you were hesitant to take a stance, I applaud you for tackling it. It is a very difficult text for 2020. I was listening to the Bible with my daughters and I was really struggling with an explanation when it got to this point. So now I am praying for discernment regarding how to explain it to them. I need to be truthful regarding the Bible while hopefully encouraging for them to stay faithful always in the Word.

@spiddyman0079

Жыл бұрын

gotta be hot or cold. no wishy washy

@IMBLACKDAMMIT

Жыл бұрын

did you ever get that discernment?

@LM-cl6ys

Жыл бұрын

@@IMBLACKDAMMIT I do believe that there’s a place for women to speak in the church. Perhaps that was contextual for that time frame where there was a lot of gossiping going on amongst the women and the church of Corinthians. I also believe that Paul was perhaps generalizing in that moment. That being said, I still do not know about the pastor ship being held by a woman. Whether it is cultural or biblical or a combination of both, I wouldn’t feel comfortable attending a church with the woman as the head. I basically made a long answer to say that I don’t have 100% discernment on it. I certainly am not in a place to judge those who do it. However, I would be beyond conflicted if I felt that calling.

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

@@LM-cl6ysThe most basic question to ask is, “does this church who permits women to teach men have any issues? If so, what are they?” If we can simply observe & report these issues then I think we will get to the bottom of WHY Paul said what he said. If we don’t see any issues, then perhaps we have overcome the issues the early church had, or perhaps we aren’t looking hard enough.

@SabraSimpson-nl1ny

10 ай бұрын

Amen!!!!

Amen, The Word of God!!!

Thank you I needed to hear it

When the words are clear and simple,, no one should make their own rambling interpretation....

@Wise__guy

Жыл бұрын

I agree!! Thanks!

@grndhg86d

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that God Values His Word Above what's popular in the USA especially in these end times.

@Avooskian

10 ай бұрын

But it's NOT clear when you take other parts of the bible in to consideration. Female judge in the OT, female deacon for Paul, and two women who took a man aside and taught him his mistakes about the gospel and were commended for it, the fact that the NT says there is no longer male nor female in Christ...all of those Bible verses call in to question wether or not 1 Timothy 2 is actually a prohibition for all women in all places at all points of time.

@terrorists-are-among-us

10 ай бұрын

Only weak males are afraid of women and therefore can't be trusted.

@Leadeshipcoach

9 ай бұрын

@@Avooskian👍

Any chance I could get some hints on where to find those other letters?

Honestly I feel you danced a bit around the topic and sort of avoided your own question. Sure the statement could be cultural and and specific to that time and place. But was it? And if it was, then why and if it wasn’t, then why? What are the two arguments? Bless

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

He DIDN'T dance around the question, too me. I listened and I got my answer. Pray that you get yours.

@danman7665

3 жыл бұрын

Vera Howard obviously I have an opinion about this, that women are allowed to lead prayer, speak and even be a pastor for that matter. But I’d like the arguments, with he didn’t give. What do you think?

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@danman7665 I agree with you that women should be allowed to lead as do men in the church. His point was that this was complicated and controversial to the church and that he wasn't going to add to it by giving his opinion or convictions that may be different from ours. I believe he is encouraging us to stand on our own convictions regardless of what others think. Personally, I think he disagrees with us, so I'm glad he took that stamce. Some things are just not worth arguing anout.

@danman7665

3 жыл бұрын

Vera Howard sure! Though discourse is always healthy if it’s done in a respectful manner. I’m less interested in what he believes and more so why he believes whatever’s the case. There is truth in what God want and whatever that is we should abide! Not discussing will leave us stomping at the ground going nowhere :)

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@danman7665 So True. God bless you.

My Brother if one was to do an in-depth study of why Paul wrote this letter knowing the exact flash doctrine he was combating each line of this letter would come alive and speak to our hearts in ways unimaginable context context context Keep up the good work

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

In the same way we must look at our own church & see if there is anything we are doing that needs to be addressed. Maybe 1 church is having a lot of issues because of women preaching, maybe the other is doing just fine. The biggest issue I’ve seen with women preaching is that the men become nearly invisible.

As one who has been long in ministry. Yes 60 years old is a wise cut off…. I have have lived it. The church/ ministry has limited resources as well. The “list” is talking about consistent support and not a one time bag of groceries. If there is no age cut off then most of not all will take advantage and miss out on trusting God for creativity and open doors. They have to work… period! Again the list mentioned is beyond the obvious assistance we would give anyone in need…. Including anyone who lost a spouse. I also agree that another qualification ia that the Person has to have life filled with evidence of faithfulness. We cannot think we are smarter than God. These standards are in place for a reason. Reasons we do realize until we see the fruit of obedience over many years.

Amen! .

First time on your channel. Thanks so much. God bless you and your family 🙏🏼🩸✝️👑🤍🕊🦅

Honestly ut was very dark but this video has brought some light to my thinking. Thank you.

If this teaching would have been for just Ephesus, it would have said so.

@All7Miles

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

Roman 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. that you may welcome her in the Lord in a way worthy of the Saints, and help her in whatever she may needs from you, for she has been a Patron of many and of myself as well. Also, Romans 16:3 " my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in the ministry of Christ Jesus.

@ServantofYeshuatheTruth

3 жыл бұрын

@JESUS IS THE I AM that's one of the versions, Kjv saysI commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also. So, however you want to call her she was serving the Gospel, and the Apostle ask the village to welcome her in a manner worthy of the Saints, and assist her in everything. Confirming the Women were also sent to do the work for the Gospel. If you deny it you are denying Scripture brother

@cathydimartino3463

9 ай бұрын

Phoebe was a deacon not an elder or pastor. Deacons do not have authority over men and simply serve the various needs of the fellowship. You will find a clear distinction in these callings. Stay in context and don't let your ears be tickled. It is what it is by God's divine order and that's just the way it is and should be. God bless......Frank Di Martino

@ServantofYeshuatheTruth

9 ай бұрын

@@cathydimartino3463 you speak of "authority" but authority is of God alone. Whatever label we give to ourselves, God speaks through His people, He speaks through His people, we are all, men and women, just servants. As we are reminded of in Luke 17:10 " When you have done everything that was commanded of you, you say "We are unworthy servants" as Christ Himself being God in the flesh, yet He came to serve and die for His church, that's the example He gave us to follow. If Christ who is God in the flesh, served, washed the feet and died for us, how much more should we all, men and women, serve one another in reverence to God? Order is not based on dictatorship or superiority, order is based on love and truth. As also God the Father is the head of Christ, and He did not belittle His Son or thought less of Him or dominated over Him, in the contrary, He gave Him all the Glory, for is through Christ that the plan of salvation is accomplished. God the Father and Christ worked together in love, so should be, between men and women, to love and serve one another following their example of humility and strength. Glory to God

@deidrascott8871

7 ай бұрын

@@cathydimartino3463deacons are leaders

@deidrascott8871

7 ай бұрын

@@Mr.Rodney123 kjv?

With regards to this topic, I would like to suggest that the passage in 1 Tim. 2 is not necessarily transcultural, nor do I think that Paul was trying to create a stumbling block for women’s participation in worship. Certainly our faith is dependent on the work of the Holy Spirit in us (who are empty vessels ready to be filled by Him), and His gifting according to His mercy and grace. Verses in the Bible such as Joel 2:28 clearly leaves no one out, and there’s no shortage of verses and examples in the Bible, along with historical and present day accounts of God moving mightily in women, including in the role of teaching. So I can’t see Paul ostracizing women from this role as a generally applied directive, but rather a specific instruction for a particular time and context - and I believe the text supports this argument. Many read this passage and automatically jump to the negative narrative, and assert that Paul is being misogynistic, when in fact he is actually trying to protect the women of that time from judgement. I believe that Dickson’s argument of the difference between “teaching” and “preaching” is valid and applicable. We know this when we look at other passages where Paul makes the distinction between these gifts (1 Cor. 12:28, Rom. 12:4-8, etc.), and as you read his and other letters, it is clear that this distinction was understood among 1st Century Christians. In James 3:1, James strongly cautions the brethren/believers about not seeking to become “teachers”, because there is a greater judgement for those who teach incorrectly. “Teaching” is meant for those who can read, interpret and explain the Word correctly, whereas “Preaching” is intended for witnessing and sharing the good news after one has been taught. Paul is discouraging women of that time from “teaching”, not “preaching”. (and not from prophesying, speaking in tongues, performing miracles or any other gifting/ministry either). It is clear from the passage that women were not in a position to be properly equipped to teach. You need mentorship to become a “teacher”, similar to how Paul studied under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), but this was not available to women of that time - only to men - and he didn’t want women to use their new-found freedom to assume the role of teaching without proper training (additionally, considering the very low literacy rates of the time among men, women would be even less privileged to have an education, making matters worse). So given the opportunity, there’s no reason why women can’t teach or be Pastors. Paul uses the illustration from Genesis because God told Adam directly about the forbidden fruit in Genesis 2, prior to Eve being formed. Adam would have shared the knowledge about the forbidden fruit with Eve after she was formed. When Eve was tempted/questioned by the serpent/devil, she was unable to correctly respond/deceived, and eventually sinned, causing judgement on herself and Adam (to be clear, Adam sinned as well). Paul is basically trying to explain how important it is to have a full understanding and knowledge of the word, otherwise you will be prone to fail/sin, which the women of that time would have been in a position to do so. Paul ends the passage about women “saved through childbearing”, not in the context that this is their only purpose (as Augustine incorrectly interpreted and asserted), nor that every women who gives birth gets saved and goes to heaven, but rather imploring women of that time that, if they want to do good, then they can carry out a very important role of “teaching” (without facing judgement, and thus “saved”): which is to raise up Godly children “in faith, love and holiness with propriety”.

@emmanuelcheong467

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very very much :)

@havanadaurcy1321

3 жыл бұрын

If you study early Christians, they actually did not consider Paul an apostle for what he as Saul did. It was the Catholic Church who brought the books together slapping the early Christians in the face and condoning the persecution Saul did.

@wyattearp985

2 жыл бұрын

Eloquently stated... but wrong.

@sjarjoura9188

2 жыл бұрын

@@wyattearp985 Ok….but may I ask how?

@wyattearp985

2 жыл бұрын

@@sjarjoura9188 First, you cannot separate teaching from preaching in the context of the pulpit, both are critical to the other. Second, you failed to mention the entirety of what Paul wrote, he wrote BOTH, teaching or exercising authority over. So, both teaching and preaching (both the job of a pastor) are included in this passage and cannot be ignored. You wrote "I can't see Paul ostracizing women from this role as a generally applied directive, but rather a specific instruction for a particular time and context - and I believe the text supports this argument.".... Several issues here. First you are clearly admitting to an eisegesis of the text. You not being able to "see" Paul doing one thing or another has nothing to do with what God is commanding in this specific text, and, you can "believe" text supports you idea, but that does not make it so. Read 2 Peter 1... these verses are not just penned as an idea by Paul, "no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" .. these are God's words... NOT Paul's ideas or intentions. You added to scripture here (eisegesis) as well when you make the assertion that Paul was stating that women were not to teach because they lacked mentorship.... really? Where do you get that idea from? It is NOWHERE in the text... You're really reading into scripture what is NOT there. To that idea, and since this is God's word and not Paul's .. this message is not just for Timothy and the Church at Ephesus it is for the first century church as much as it is for the church today. That being said, it is only in recent times that liberal opinions, like yours, have surfaced as to the pastorate for women, yet from the early church in Israel (under the first covenant) and through the birth of the Christian church (the new covenant) you never find a woman as a rabbi, or a pastor over a church. What current church ideas are showing us is this as well; every church that has allowed a woman to preach/teach/pastor has eventually gone on to redefine marriage as same sex marriage being acceptable and then eventually allowing those who are in sexually immoral life styles into the pulpit; a direct violation of God's commands. So, while you present a decent argument to those who do not study their bibles, you are only fooling them and others with your position on this matter. Your position is filled with eisegesis rather than expository positions. Can women teach?... the bible is clear... yes. Yes, they can teach other women and children. But they are not to carry or hold that position over a man in the structure of the church. They can also teach in the home and outside of the church where there is no church authority, such as conferences, universities etc. Can they preach? ... again, yes.. if it is to the same audience as previously listed; other women and to children. Are they to Pastor a church.. No.. God is very clear on this issue. They are not to teach from the pulpit when there are men in the congregation or to exercise pastoral authority over a man. All of this is very clear scripturally.

You didn’t really addressed the verses. Also why didn’t you provide verses from Paul’s letters that states women can speak and prophesy in the church?

THIS IS WHY CHRISTIAN CHURCH ARE SEPARATED. NOT MANY STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD. Proverbs 3:5-35 King James Version (KJV) 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

@DarrenLeBlancx

4 жыл бұрын

"standing on the Word of God" has nothing to do with the issue here. Both "sides" of the argument that I articulate in the video are both fervent about the value and authority of the Scripture, bit disagree on how to do that. Example: it's difficult to reconcile Paul seemingly endorsing women as prophets (prophets certainly have authority as they speak directly for God!!) with comments about headship and such. Not an easy task. We do our best to serve God faithfully with our imperfect understanding.

In this video, he stated that the 60 year old widow threshold should be lowered because it's too high and 'doesn't make since' although IT'S IN THE BIBLE... & then explained that he doesn't have sympathy (is this christian like) for those interpreting the text IN THE BIBLE word for word. If some things can be altered for the times how come not all off it? I'm amazed that no one seems to be as confused as me , please help me understand.

@R839jdkk83nHd

4 жыл бұрын

Firstly, he never *explicitly* said the threshold should be lowered; He said at 6:10 ".... We are going to use the wisdom that we have to make a system that's best....", And l guess that *wisdom* will be from God through prayers. Also, it's well known not to interpret the word of God word for word. If that was the case, then no wisdom would be required to read the Bible (since everything would be clean and clear). For instance, it's said in this same chapter (verse 8): *Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing* . This would thus imply that praying should always involve lifting up our hands, but is that true? Is it a must? Does it really change something? Does it change the state of your heart or render you more pure? In addition you said he said he doesn't have sympathy for people interpreting the Bible as such; well, l didn't get him say that (or l missed it).

@justthemessenger...

4 жыл бұрын

@@R839jdkk83nHd I have to lovingly disagree that it's not common knowledge or well known to not interpret the bible 'word for word' as there are plenty of ministers/pastors who say that it is all the word of God & shouldn't be questioned at all. If the bible requires wisdom for it to be read then why are children reading the bible? 99% of children shouldn't touch it then. He didn;t say it should be lowered but implied it @ 6:10 if we're just supposed to use our wisdom instead of following what it says then how isn't it all up for question or debate if we have the luxury of using our wisdom to change the context to 'fit our times'? Does that mean its outdated then? The moment he said he has no sympathy for people who's interpretation of it was what the text actually states is 7:46 since you may have missed it.

@R839jdkk83nHd

4 жыл бұрын

​@@justthemessenger... Never did I say we got the luxury to use *our* wisdom to understand the word of God. I will like to emphasize something I earlier said, but you missed it: that *wisdom* is from God, and obtained via prayers and meditations; Sure children read the bible (which is something great and should be encouraged) but do they completely understand the message? I guess no (and they easily lose focus)! They usually need mediators to break down things to them. I will go further by saying most of us need mediators. Those mediators are pastors, preachers, or whatsoever name we give to them (you get the point). With time they acquired more wisdom than us, and hence we go to them for enlightenment or clarification on things we can't get around. To conclude, he said he isn't sympathetic to *a view* , not to people (there's a difference). I don't know if we are now in phase?

Paul never commands something without giving an explanation to his reasoning. He uses the same tactic, when giving this command, as Jesus did when asked if God permits divorce. They both referred back to the beginning of creation, revealing God's original intent in his beautiful design. God's original purpose was that one man and one woman were to come together and should not divorce. Likewise, Paul here refers to the beginning to show that the original intent was to have the man lead the woman. One of the primary reasons for this order was not favoritism, but was to give us a picture of who God is and our relationship with him. The structure of the family and the structure of the church paint us a picture of the relationship between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. It also paints the picture of the relationship of the church and of Jesus Christ. Nowhere in scripture do we see that the husband is called to submit to the wife and in the same manner, nowhere in scripture do we see a woman in an eldership position. We do see that women are given leadership roles as deacons and are encouraged as prophets, but again, nowhere are they called to an overseer of the church or in our modern terms, elder/pastor. Remember, being a leader does not mean greater value. On the contrary, it means greater judgement, greater accountability and greater responsibility. But the value of a man and woman are equal in their distinct roles.

@All7Miles

Жыл бұрын

Your understanding of this passage reflects the genuineness of your relationship to Jesus; like Him, His Word is unchanging, being the same yesterday, today and forever.

@robcrobert

Жыл бұрын

(Ephesians 5:22 KJV) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.(Ephesians 5:23 KJV) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Nowhere??

@Live4Him7771

Жыл бұрын

@@robcrobert I'm confused by your question. Did you read my entire post or just the first sentence? I'm stating that the order of the household and the church was God's original design. Wives submit to their husbands as the church submits to Christ. I see where your point is. I mistyped that. It's supposed to read that nowhere in scripture is the husband called to submit to the wife. Thank you for the correction. I'll edit that.

@robcrobert

Жыл бұрын

@Chris Richard ok I was confused until now. Thanks

@casualplayer5966

Жыл бұрын

But if they are deacons they cannot be silent.

And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle-I am telling the truth, I am not lying-and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles. 1 Timothy 2:7 NIV

@Dale65378

Жыл бұрын

Hi @buynow17 can you please share with me what Acts 8:37 says from the niv book?

I think it's important to note the way Paul is speaking in this chapter. He unusually uses the word "I" quite a lot here instead of "we" or "you" as he usually does when he is speaking with the holy spirit. He seemingly uses "I" when he is just speaking for himself. "What I speak, I speak not according to the Lord, but as it were, foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." - 2 Corinthians 11:17

In which books and letters does Paul says that women can teach?

@JohnDavis_90

Жыл бұрын

None.

This is definately a chapter we should all study more in depth- especially if you struggle wether woman should remain silent or not. "Dear Lord help us recieve clarity from above " Amen

@Emily-mn1hr

3 жыл бұрын

John14:13❤️

@MrGeorgeBeaudoin

3 жыл бұрын

It's explained in full detail in this video on you tube: "Women PREACHERS in the Bible?? What about 1 Tim 2:12? Women keep silent?"

@spajas8092

2 жыл бұрын

It’s already clear. You wanna play mental gymnastics. Hence why modern Christianity needs to die immediately.

@calledtowin147

7 ай бұрын

It's really not that difficult to discern clearly that Paul is here talking about wives, not women in general. "Let them ask their own husband's at home" The wives were ASKING questions and not preaching or teaching in this instance. The wives were to remain quiet and wait until they got home to ask any questions of their own husbands In this culture it was not unusual for men and women to be seated along with their own sex..

Paul is saying people should not "interrupt the speaker". All his rules apply to both men and women.

@not-creative6361

28 күн бұрын

What’s the verse that says it’s when someone is speaking

@jacobfield4848

28 күн бұрын

@@not-creative6361 The whole chapter.

Seems to me you're riding the fence on this on bcuz you didn't answer the title/Question.

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

He is not on the fence. He refuses to tell us what he thinks for argument sake which is fine with me. Who cares what he thinks? He probably disagree with you anyway.

@stevenyoutsey8989

3 жыл бұрын

He clearly stated that it was meant to be in context of the Biblical time.

@jazzmac03

3 жыл бұрын

He’s saying the women in THAT church during THAT time should be quiet or peaceable (not quiet like no talking). To help you a little with context go to 1 Tim 1:3 which places Timothy in the church at Ephesus - geographical context. Now that we have the setting, see Acts 19:23 to the end of that chapter to get some cultural context. In Ephesus, the goddess Artemis was a huge influence on the culture. I’d come to the conclusion that the worship of that goddess had something to do with why Paul would suggest this. I hope that helps your journey to find clarity...

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@jazzmac03 Yes. I understood that too.

God in 100 quadrillion years will be the same God as He was 10973 quadrillion years ago. God does not change and neither does His Word. That is a great comfort.

Keep sweet, pray, and obey.

God ordained that MEN be leaders in the church. Don’t be scared to say it brotha. Woman can learn to teach other woman. 2021...

@jooniegirl1929

2 жыл бұрын

Damnnn you should probably do ur research!!! There were many female prophets too.....don't connect ur disgusting sexist ideology to such a beautiful religion and say God said such a thing!

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

I just got an epiphany. For 7 years I have been trying to convince my MOM that money in the church is for the POOR not the rich pastors or fancy buildings, praying in tongues all at the same time without an interpreter is NOT BIBLICAL, getting “DRUNK in the Spirit” is not biblical (fruit of Spirit is self-control), the church does not belong to TWO PEOPLE (it belongs to all of the members). All this time I should have been talking to my DAD. It’s no wonder after 7 years I’ve gotten NOWHERE with my mom. I love her & she is a godly woman, & great mom, but she is super stubborn when it comes to defending the charismatic church. And I notice over the years my dad aligns his beliefs more & more with whatever my mom says (he suffered a stroke about 5 years ago & has been very dependent on her). Hopefully it’s not too late, but I must speak to them both as Paul says in 1 Timothy 5 “do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father...older women as mothers...in all purity.” The more I read 1 Timothy the more I’m convinced it’s all about false teachers, false practices, how to spot them, how not to become them, & even how to break the news to your family & church members.

As a Christian woman, this saddens me. Why am I made to seem as though I am prone to being deceit because I have a uterus and breast? And I will be saved through childbearing? I have never and will never bear a child. Am I suddenly not saved because of this? Should I instead become a man for my salvation? I stood up for the Bible when others called it sexist. What am I supposed to do now? Agree that it is sexist? Someone tell me this can’t be true. Jesus said do unto others what you would like them to do unto you. He didn’t say do unto men what you would want him to do unto you while you treat women like servants. Help me please I want to understand Gods word while also not feeling like I am a second class citizen because I don’t have the ‘correct’ body part.

7:50 what other letters?

I bet if we could go back in time and ask Paul what did he “really” mean… he’d probably say “I said what I said!!”

@tanyabrown791

Жыл бұрын

Sure he did and we would absolutely know that he didn’t mean keep silence when he said in chapter 11:5 that they prophesied, and in Roman’s 16 he named a host of women leaders in the church.

@jaimesanztirado2350

5 ай бұрын

i mean they guy must have had an idea after seeing what happened with the Egyptians and Cleoopatra lmao.

@jaimesanztirado2350

5 ай бұрын

@@tanyabrown791there is literally never ever been a civilization ruled exclusively by women, only individual queens (usually at the end of an empire) and small tribes. the matriarchy is weak and is almost as absurd as what a real patriarchy would look like. a real patriarchy would be for women to go to war and do the hard work while men enjoy their fruits of their labour. such a society would end in a few decades due to extreme demographical collapse. not surprisingly the same issue in todays matriarchal world.

Nowhere in the New Testament does it say that women can be Pastors, Teachers, Apostles, or anything of that nature. In Corinthians--the other letter that Paul talks about this topic--he finishes with "these are the commandments of God". Which blows your "cultural context" away.

@rekhak7129

2 ай бұрын

No you are wrong , he says it's in the law ( old testament levictus ) we don't follow old testament moreover paul says I say - he doesn't say God says read again corianthians and timothy

The trouble I have with suggesting that this teaching is for a certain time or certain place is that we could literally do that with any book written by Paul to correct teaching. So where does it end? How do we determine what was for all time? And what was for a particular church?

@BranchTogether

3 ай бұрын

We understand how that is complicated, and we don't claim to perfectly know everything about understanding God's word, but we do try to take the rest of scripture into account when translating hard passages. And some of Paul's words in his letters seem to be for a specific location in light of the rest of scripture.

@Mcduce2008

3 ай бұрын

@@BranchTogether so you’re left the option of either A: teaching something that was taught for a particular church and time or B: allowing our culture to help us interpret the original meaning.

It applies to the women in Ephesus because the cult of Artemis tried to forbid girls from marrying and having children. The fear was that the man must worship (sexual) at the temple for his wife to conceive because Artemis was the goddess of fertility. Thus Paul is saying "safe" in childbirth. Because women are no different to men. All are saved through Jesus, not some through childbirth. And when did childbirth ever save anyone from deception of a false teacher. Paul specifically uses different words in original text that are all sloppily translated into one word "teach" when he is clearly trying to stop forcefulnusurping women, and one in particular from taking over or from swaying other women. Complementarianism is not 'Complementary" to anyone. Strong Godly women of good character and solid foundations are thrown out, crushed, abused by such pastors who are no more than the hirelings Jesus warned us about.ALL Complementarians need to study Jesus and women again because He always sent them out as messengers and proclaimers.

@shelleyd9910

4 жыл бұрын

@Roy B you are argumentative and divisive instead of doing contextual research of Biblical history for yourself.

@shelleyd9910

4 жыл бұрын

@Roy B safe in childbearing, not saved. How on earth can a woman be saved by bearing children. Do your hermeneutics. Do your contextual study. Look at the fact that Jesus never once tells the women this. Quite the contrary in fact. Look up the cult of Artemis. Look up what they believed about Eve being first created then Adam. Look up how they considered marriage a repulsive thing and childbirth dangerous outside of worship of the goddess. Look it up. Paul was friends with Philip the Evangelist who had four daughters, all prophetesses. Do you think he forbade them to speak in front of the congregations? Acts 21:8-9 Come on. There are iterally rooms full of information from that era. Paul addresses these false teachings in Ephesus and in Corinth and that was why he wrote a rebuke. If women false teach doctrine they deserve a rebuke, just like if a man does. How many people are you going to be effective in reaching for Christ if that is the extent of your explanation and understanding. Give me a break. And how about actually defending the gospel on another unGodly site instead of trying to grind your brothers and sisters down and discourage them.

@landonvinyard2434

3 жыл бұрын

Roy, Your post to made me chuckle a little bit.... but in a good way. I can completely understand some of the frustration in the confusion. I think some of the biggest problems we have with this generation, is that it’s still not working in Gods system. So we are interpreting a form of reality that seems to be OK but is still outside of His system. Like when any of the great patriarchs had multiple wives. It wasn’t meant to be that way but God allowed it and they certainly had more problems because of it. Paul’s tone has an urgency to it that may be hard to culturally understand. I believe if you meditate with God on this, He will unpack it for you in how it should translate into today. Most importantly, we are to be others centered. That would mean that if man has the ultimate authority and is doing things right, he will be putting the woman’s needs before his own as Christ loved the church. The liberty of free will God has given us, so as men that would always need to be extended to women. A woman’s submission should always be freely given.

@jonathanjordan6603

3 жыл бұрын

@shelly. The problems with your explanation are #1 the background that you provide is not provided by the author nor any other passage in the scriptures thus unreliable especially since if it is applied, will totally change the meaning of what is clearly written. #2 if those were the reasons, Paul would have given them himself. God is not the author of confusion. We must believe it as it is written.

@brandondriver99

2 жыл бұрын

Do you believe that women are to submit to their husbands?

It's interesting to note that the word for woman and wife is the same. Paul stated quite clearly in 1 Cor 14v34 that the woman (wife) should ask (questions of) her own HUSBAND at home rather than during any teaching. It's more than reasonable to believe that Paul was advising the same thing in 1 Timothy 2v12. Phillip had seven daughters who were regarded as prophets. Did they prophesy during meetings, if not, why on earth would the Lord gift them with a prophetic voice?

@zazaland

Жыл бұрын

If women are to shut up, should they also shut up in the choir? and shut up when it comes to offering? what about the women without husbands? who are they going to ask questions when the go back home? PAUL'S TEACHINGS ARE QUESTIONABLE. ALSO, in Roman's 16 :1 he says: I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church . . . are deacons not teachers? ALSO in the OT, the Lord says sons and daughters will prophesy.

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you said this. Don’t you find it interesting that RIGHT before 1 Cor 14v34 he said “but if no one is there to interpret (tongues) keep SILENT. Let 2 or 3 prophets speaks & others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the FIRST be SILENT. For you can all prophecy ONE by ONE & the spirits of prophets are SUBJECT to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.” Seems like one big lesson on exercising SILENCE. I’m not trying to hate on women, but when I see THOUSANDS of people ALL speaking in tongues at the SAME TIME with NO INTERPRETER, guess who are the majority of those who are speaking in tongues. AND, whenever I bring this up in conversation who is the biggest DEFENDER of this practice??

@calledtowin147

Жыл бұрын

The reference to all speaking in tongues is in relation to prophetic utterance not having an interpretation. An unbeliever wouldn't understand what was taking place IF there was no interpretation. Times of praise in the spirit (tongues) or singing in the spirit (tongues) needs no interpretation because its a form of worship. The first time I entered a spirit filled church and heard the congregation singing in the spirit as a non believer, I found it to be beautiful. It sounded quite angelic. If folk had started calling out a prophetic utterance without any interpretation, then I for one would have been in the dark as to what that was all about. Its this that Paul is making reference to.

@510awegrzyn

Жыл бұрын

@@JC-li8kkmy husband is not a believer. He was raised Catholic. If I had allowed him to “lead” our children would mindlessly go to Catholic Church without believing, they would have been punitively spanked and hit daily, and would have not had their needs met on a daily basis. I will never understand this “let the man lead” in manners of children and home, in general.

@JC-li8kk

Жыл бұрын

@@510awegrzyn So because YOUR husband isn’t a believer & cannot keep his house in order according to scripture it means NO HUSBAND is capable of doing it?? Very odd way of thinking. It’s an unfortunate situation, but your situation is the exception not the rule.

Sir can women be pastors in church...plz clarify...would u allow women to teach in ur church??

@AK-kg1es

3 жыл бұрын

Women can preach but outside chruch, women cannot be pastors

Preaching/Having Authority ARE NOT the same things as Prophesying. If a woman preaches or has authority, she is speaking; BUT, if she prophesies, it's the Lord speaking through her. It's not the same. If a woman is Prophesying, she is still silent. But she must do it with her head covered to acknowledge the patriarchy.

Wow wow wow great awesome God bless you abundantly

You also need to receive the purpose of judging one another brother. As we are called to do so, and shows us why. 1 Corinthians 11

Also, we must show where Paul is teaching from. The teaching material in their hand was Genesis to Malachi. Every teaching of Jesus, Paul, etc are derived from Genesis to Malachi. Only then, their teachings could be accepted. And in those scriptures from Gen to Mal, we don't see such an idea of prohibiting women from teaching men.

@zazaland

Жыл бұрын

Deborah the Judge Huldah the prophetess They had authority over entire nation. ALSO, in Roman's 16 :1 Paul himself says: I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church . . . Don't deacons have authority in church?

If the bible is Gods word, and we can trust the bible as is, and we trust that God had a beautiful design for man and woman with distinctions and roles. Then we can accept that God knows what he is talking about when He says an elder/pastor is a role for the man. Male headship is seen all throughout the bible. I dont think culture should change how God views things. Or how we should view things. God never changes right?

@helloitsme7553

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think this is more complicated than that. In the old testament, there were also female prophets, so what I personally think is that God meant for the church to mostly be lead by man. Not that women aren't at all allowed to teach

@tmsvan2995

3 жыл бұрын

Helloitsme, there is a bit of ambiguity in your statement that I hope to understand better. If you are stating that while women are to be silent in church but can be heard in a different setting (not a church) that is in private with a male to hear prophecy and he brings it forward to the church then that would be consistent biblically.

@lucindamckenzie8294

2 жыл бұрын

Read John 1:1 the Word of God is Jesus

@fm1668

9 ай бұрын

@@helloitsme7553No it’s not, his word is clear. Stop trying to change it

@Mr.Rodney123

7 ай бұрын

​@@helloitsme7553I suffer not a woman to teach or to userp authority over the man. Where does it say in some cases a woman can teach men? The only time the bible says women can teach is when the older women teach the younger women. Didn't say women taught anyone scriptures. Prophetess is different from prophet. A woman being a prophetess doesn't mean she was leading any congregation in church. She simply foretells something that is going to happen through god. That is not preaching

Cross reference with 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

@damiena2565

4 жыл бұрын

Was thinking this also.

You did not clarify clearly on that subject as I am still confused on the issue of women must be silent today

Talk about picking and choosing

@picklejar462

2 жыл бұрын

There were female queens in the Bible and female leaders, just not in the church.

@cecilwilliams1683

2 жыл бұрын

@@picklejar462 picking and choosing again

@picklejar462

2 жыл бұрын

@@cecilwilliams1683 how? Esther was a Queen. But not a leader in the church. That is a fact. I’m quoting events that happened in scripture. It’s literally God’s word. That’s not picking and choosing.

@cecilwilliams1683

2 жыл бұрын

@@picklejar462 isn't it odd that that's God's word but the main text requires context?

@cecilwilliams1683

2 жыл бұрын

@@picklejar462 that's what I mean by picking and choosing ie... its great if I agree with it. If I don't like how it sounds then it's context. Is this also not God's word?

The problem the word usurp was taken out of the translation from the KJV version of that scripture from your read translation.

Every demon possessed man is less a man for me than a man in Christ and do not have a same value to silence me, binding every demon possessed man that silences women in accordance with luke 10:19, proverbs 14:34, 2 corinthians 6:14-15, matthew 6:24, 1 john 3:10 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!

@510awegrzyn

Жыл бұрын

Maybe this is what I needed to read. What if you are already married to, and have children with, a non-believer?

I was hoping for a more definitive answer

@BranchTogether

4 жыл бұрын

We would like a more definitive answer as well, but we feel this is the most faithful response we can give at this point. We continue to prayerfully seek understanding and wisdom as we study.

@iwillsing4christ

4 жыл бұрын

I like how he doesn’t tell you what to believe. Instead he presents each argument and the breakdown for each argument. Then we as believers can take that and search the rest of scripture, and seek the Father’s heart and let Him show us exactly what the answer is. Sure it’s easier to just have someone tell us what to believe, but when you put the work in yourself, your foundation for why you believe what you believe is solid.

@gilbertrobles1374

4 жыл бұрын

@@iwillsing4christ well said and I agree.thank you.

The reference to the created order should inform you that the instructions are universal, and part of Gods design for men and women, not just limited to first century Ephesus.

My point is john 1:1 says all scripture is written by God so how can people say 1 Timothy 2 11-15 was only for back then? Isn't 1 Timothy the new testament?

"Adam was not deceived" I mean, he kind of was... Just by proxy

@spajas8092

2 жыл бұрын

@🌼Brianna Jenell🌼 No. He wouldn’t have. Hence why he came to Eve first.

@mrfletcher7708

2 жыл бұрын

@@spajas8092 Well said, and we can't go by what would have probably happened, only what the bible says.

@reddwalrusss5018

2 жыл бұрын

Adam’s folly was his lack of leadership, he failed to live up to his duty as head of the house. His failure was louder than Eve’s because he should have prevented the situation from happening.

@nicks1644

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Adam was also deceived. It doesn’t matter whom by or how. The fact is he was also.

@TimothyNyota

Жыл бұрын

@@nicks1644 apparently it does matter 😂

How do you jump from teaching men and having authority over them to women remaining silent when there is a completely different scripture that addresses women remaining silent in church and submitting to her husband? And you answer to 1 Timothy 2 12 is "I just don't believe in it abs therefore I'm ignoring it"… if you don't derive all your doctrine from scripture then you're not a pastor. ² Timothy 3:16-17.

Same paul is saying all are one in Christ 😢 i cant understand him and all are supposed to obey one another elders to children and children to elders ! I cant understand paul 😢

@user-iz8np3vv4i

2 ай бұрын

As a general comment, Paul's teachings are all over the place. I wrote an informal essay on them. Another essay I have is about Deborah. Should you wish a study. It always goes back to her regarding women in church ministry, etc.

The World Christians wants to choose how to worship God. Pity

I'm very disappointed that. He never explained what his view was or how we should practically understand this Scripture.... I thought the video was good but waiting to the end to get no answer. What's kind of rough? I hope there is a video that genuinely explains these controversial scriptures

Plain reading of Paul's words explain fully what he meant, and he was God's Apostle on the spot. Women are to say nothing and learn humility. Anything else is deception.

@BranchTogether

2 жыл бұрын

This does not account for his expectations that women will serve in a role as a prophet, so we do not think you are correct.

@yuyisrivera8934

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't that argument go against the fact that Deborah was a prophet

Since when is the Spirit of God given through an education?

The teaching of St. Paul about Christian women that must/should learn with humility how to KEEP Quiet/Silent in the CHURCH of God in Christ... does not mean that Christian women are prohibited from being Servants/Helpers of the CHURCH... NOPE... that was not what St. Paul had meant... take for example what St. Paul wrote to the Romans (Rom.16/paraphrased)... " I (St. Paul) commended unto you PHOEBE our sister (the one who carried the letter of St. Paul), who is a "SERVANT" (helper) of the CHURCH which is in Cenchrea"... Take note 1:... St. Paul did not say, "Phoebe our sister, who is a Pastor/Rabbi/Teacher/Elder/Priestess of the CHURCH... none of which was mentioned but a SERVANT... What St. Paul had meant was NO WOMEN to be the LEADER (Acting Priesthood) of the Church on earth... Christ Jesus is the HEAD (Priesthood) of the Church of God... but before Christ ascended back to Heaven and seated at the right side of the Throne of His Father... Christ assigned first His Apostles (All Men) Headed by St. Peter to be Christ's Acting Priesthood to Govern, Lead, and Manage the CHURCH of God until Christ Jesus comes back again... Christ Jesus did not put "IN CHARGE" any women, including Blessed Mary or Mary Magdalene in the Body of Christ to be the Church's PRIESTHOOD... But Christian Women could be servants/helpers of the Church or even Prophetess (female prophets) if chosen and decided by God... Take note 2:... DEBORAH was the only Female JUDGE and PROPHETESS chosen by God in/for Israel... but she was not chosen by God as a "PRIESTESS" in the Temple of God during the Old Covenant of God... God never used any Women as PRIESTHOOD for His Temple / Synagogue... which is also the same thing with the Second (New) Covenant of God, that NO Women Leader or Acting Priesthood to the Body of Christ (the CHURCH of God)... ONLY MEN can be chosen by God to be Christ's Acting PRIESTHOOD on Earth...That is God's WILL and PREROGATIVES... (hands down, non-debatable). Therefore, Women can be God's JUDGE or PROPHETESS... but never God's PRIESTESS for His Temple/Church for both the Old and the New Covenant of God... That is what "Silent/Quiet" in the Church is all about... When it comes to Spiritual/Religious Matters... "MAN is the HEAD of every WOMAN"... why?... for God is the Head of Christ Jesus, so as "Christ Jesus is the HEAD of every Man"... (1 Corinthians 11:3/paraphrased)... Facts and Truth, Biblically speaking... Amen Hebrews 7:12/paraphrased... "But when the PRIESTHOOD was changed, the LAW must be changed as well."... Christ Jesus is the Sole New High PRIESTHOOD of God... Glory, Praise and Thanks be to God in Christ Jesus' name... Amen.

Revelation 3 16 So because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to vomit you out of My mouth!

Mark 7:7 . What the Bible says is what the Bible says and not any interpretation of men for their own convenience. ( Mark 7:7, Jude 1:3).

if it was cultural then Paul would've just said so he could've phrased it as women can't lead because they don't have the wisdom or something like that but his reasoning was that women can't lead because of the consequences of eve's sin. didn't find this helpful. You also said that Paul encourages women to lead but you didn't provide verses that said so.

You my friend, neex to go to 1 Corinthians 11 and learn that God has established an hierarchy.

Interesting how people cherry pick what to take literally from the bible and what to interpret using our better wisdom. This organized religion has failed me and countless other children, and why I left the religion.

How about silent everywhere.

The stoplight broke and everything became chaotic, same way ever since man started to put in his own interpretations to the word of God resulting in many denominations and accepting culture. Women's role is totally different according to our lord but at the same time equal to us. God bless

Based on what I’ve personally read in the bible, I believe pastors should be men. However, I’m confused on how far we take this. Am I not allowed to share the gospel to males because I’m a girl?

@BranchTogether

4 жыл бұрын

Crystal, this is a very complicated issue. Paul talks about women not teaching men, yet seems ok with them prophesying in a mixed gender context (which to is seems MORE authoritative than teaching). One thing that is for sure, you should absolutely be free to share your faith with someone regardless of their gender!

@crystalbrooks2684

4 жыл бұрын

Branch Together Ok thank you for the response! I’m sitting here just confused after reading 1 Timothy 2 because my best friend is a guy and I’ve always thought/really wanted to have an opportunity to share the gospel with him.

@gtabraham3454

4 жыл бұрын

@@crystalbrooks2684 give him a tract or simply your testimony.

@HopeyDays

4 жыл бұрын

All of us are called to be disciples and disciples are meant to share and spread the gospel. I think there is a lot more to this verse then simply women shouldn't teach a man, when it does say to share the gospel. When Paul says women shouldn't assume authority i think its because the women of that time were doing just that, so it is something that still applies to us today. I think what he's trying to say is women shouldn't place themselves before men as the head of the church and preach. It also says later in Timothy to teach to brothers and sisters, no where does it say "Now this is just for the men to read and do" when it comes up.

@shelleyd9910

4 жыл бұрын

Crystal this excellent scholar and teacher fluent in Bible languages expounds these and other scriptures in this kzread.info/dash/bejne/k2182Lt_dc2akdI.html

When did Paul encourage woman to prophasise? I am trying to understand everything and have not taken a side yet

@user-iz8np3vv4i

Жыл бұрын

I post on these matters shaka4448. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. On the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them “mankind” on the day when they were created. -excerpt Genesis 5 -NASB When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created. -NIV When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. -ESV

I like this guy, even though what was written in the Bible is unchangeable. What was written on this chapter and verse was written for specific occasions that time, that century, look at Kathryn Kuhlman, Sara Jakes the lady of our generation now, she takes authority. Ladies and gentlemen let’s not be ignorant look at the ways you are dressing now and the hair you put on your heads, are you not a Christian? Do you not love Jesus

Wasn’t Paul’s command in 1st Timothy 2:12 related to cultural issues for that time that don’t apply today? This objection presents itself with different nuances, but the basic argument is that Paul was only prohibiting women in Timothy’s church from becoming elders. He wasn’t intending to make the command binding on the church for all time. The problem with this objection is that it neglects verses 13-14. Let’s read the passage in context. “Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1st Timothy 2:11-14) Two things should be observed. First, nothing in the text indicates that Paul’s prohibition is due to a cultural situation-such as uneducated or problematic women teaching in the church. Second, Paul gives us a two-part answer as to why he gives this command. “For” means because; meaning, the reason Paul is giving this command is because, “Adam was created was first, then Eve.” The first reason Paul lists why women cannot hold authority over men in the church by taking on the role of pastor is because it would violate the creation order. Men have been placed in authority over women and children both in the home and the church. This has nothing to do with holding women back or being sexist. This is God’s good design. He knows what is best for His people and the church. The second reason is because the woman, not Adam, was deceived and became a transgressor. This is a tricky portion of Scripture. Is Paul saying that Adam wasn’t deceived? No, Adam was deceived because he ate the fruit and disobeyed just like Eve. What Paul is saying is that Satan tempted the woman and consequently the woman led her husband into error. Adam should have acted as the head of his wife and protected her from Satan’s lies by holding fast to God’s commands. In God’s church, men must lead and protect women by teaching and obeying the Word of God. When the order is reversed, like in the Garden, we are taking women out from under the headship and protection of men; thus, opening them and the whole church up to Satan’s original schemes. Therefore, Paul’s command in 1st Timothy 2:12 is not based on cultural circumstances whatsoever. His command that women cannot teach or take authority over men is rooted in the created order and fall of man, and thus binding on all churches for all ages.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

11 ай бұрын

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.

So are we all just going to ignore Phoebe and Priscilla then, or....? Lol

Pauline doctrine means obey Paul, not say stuff to dismiss his rules- Grandfather who followed Christ, not Paul

James 1:8 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. The word of God does not need our opinion but obedience to his word. don't compromise with the opinion of this world.

What has this guy saying about peace and in USA and teahcing and stuff got to do with women teaching? Unless your telling women not to speak so its peacefuL?

No, because of your wisdom, the ordinance God established is foolishness, right?

Paul welcomed death for True living word

I wish you could answer the questions people have about the scripture with regard to women in the church.

@BranchTogether

3 жыл бұрын

We do too. Perhaps in the future. We have our opinions but we find very faithful scholars on each side of the discussion, so for us it's better to just describe the general viewpoints on it for everyone now.

Man you didn't answer anyting. You just asked about four more questions. The scripture seems pretty clear to me.

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

He that hath ears, let him hear. You aren't listening. I understood him very well. He is NOT avoiding the question.

@ginaxs7975

3 жыл бұрын

@@verahoward9422 please explain what he is saying to me in summary🙏🏾❤ if you can, thanks

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginaxs7975 That we basically have our opinion of what that scripture is saying which may be different from his interpretation. So, He's not going to argue the case bc It's just a waste of time. So, hold on to YOUR conviction and interpretation of that scripture and with patience and prayer continue to seek God for revelations of his word.

@stevenyoutsey8989

3 жыл бұрын

Answered it for me. Thank you

@verahoward9422

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevenyoutsey8989 Thank you!

Why you in a sauna? 😂

More from the original Greek on this passage: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoZlp9GQiazKZrg.html #DiveDeepTogether

Woman can teach woman but it’s very clear here not to have leadership authority over man .

@user-iz8np3vv4i

Жыл бұрын

This already happened. I suggest Judges 4, else my essay on Deborah. You might learn something.

Instead of reading the text for what it is you're going to compare it to other text and just say if one is one than one is the same. It seems very misleading and not taking the translation head-on.

Only the new testament!?

@user-iz8np3vv4i

Жыл бұрын

I didn't watch the video. I post on women's matters. What is your full question please?

@arnoldvezbon6131

11 ай бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i You need to be quiet.

@user-iz8np3vv4i

11 ай бұрын

@@arnoldvezbon6131 Anna wasn't. ...and was speaking concerning him, to all those looking for redemption.. _______________________________ And there was Anna, a prophetess, ... ... who did depart not from the temple, with fasts and supplications serving, night and day,... and she, at that hour, having come in, was confessing, likewise, to the Lord, and was speaking concerning him, to all those looking for redemption in Jerusalem. -excerpt Luke 2

It's a dangerous thing to impose one's own opinions over The Word Of God. Wishy-washiness is lukewarmness. Being too careful could get you spewed out. If you don't know exactly what you believe than you probably shouldn't be a leader at all.

@TimothyNyota

Жыл бұрын

exactly

Why does Peter say “ I don’t allow woman …” rather that saying GOD doesn’t allow… I get the impression this is a man made law to exclude woman of certain responsibilities.

@zazaland

Жыл бұрын

paul, not peter.

I'm not understanding your view sir? We are taught from the beginning to NOT reword or change what the Bible states. Modern change has NOTHING to do with what the Bible states. It matters NOT what people have grown into or adapted. If it's written it is NOT to be changed. There are a lot of scripture that people have decided to take it upon themselves to word it to fit their church, This is not sound truth.

@BranchTogether

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting. I believe I was clear that this is a complicated issue and I'm trying to faithfully understand the intent of the original authors. Does it make sense for Paul to expect women to prophecy (presumably in a gathering) but shortly after suggest they should be silent in all contexts for all time? Or was there a specific reason Paul made directives for this context?

Now wait, you changed verse 4 to include everyone therefore stay consistent and change the last verse to include everyone. Not to mention how you divided the man lifting up holy hands and then have the woman a different calling.

You mention multiple times about the division that is often caused within the Church by this passage. Division seems to be a larger concern for you with regard to this passage than false doctrine. It is good for us to seek and promote unity within the Church, but never at the cost of true doctrine. When you address the issue of cultural relevance, you use the analogy of 1 Timothy 5:9 which says that no widow under 60 should be part of the program of assistance to widows. I agree that we should not insist on the direct application of this 60 year-old cutoff in modern churches for similar programs. However, this analogy fails because no absolute and unchanging principal is given by Paul to justify the age of 60, whereas in 1 Timothy 2, Paul grounds his rule about women not speaking with an unchanging truth, namely that "Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." (2:13-14). He doesn't merely give us a rule about women speaking in church and then leave us to wonder if that rule applies only to certain cultures and not to others. He bases the rule on something unchanging, in order to make it clear that the application is universal, so that Christians reading the rule will not have to guess whether it applies to them.

DO NOT PRAY PUBLICALLY YOUR PRAISE WILL BE THAT OF PEOPLE!!!! Yeshua said pray in secret not so people hear your many words.

I don't like what he said about women that women should be quiet

lets not sugarcoat stuff . the scripture is written the way it is written . your interpretation of it is YOUR interpretation . but the word remains the same . that chapter tells me that men are higher accountable therefore the women must submit with reverence .that how she gets the love and acknowledgment of man , following the order that God left for us to follow .

God the Father is also the head of Christ. Does that mean that God the Father is better than Christ? more important than Christ? By no means. Same for man. God the Father loved Christ and worked together with Christ to accomplish the plan of salvation and indeed gave Christ all the glory. And indeed God the Father and Christ are one. So, the same for man. Man and woman are meant to be one flesh, or one body in Christ, they are to serve one another in reverence to God, man is not superior or more important than woman and vice versa, they are to love their woman, love means to serve, guide and protect, as Christ, served His Church even to death. Nothing to do with pride or superiority here. Let's all humble ourselves. If you are the head you are the head to serve the other in reverence to God, not to dominate over. No ego, if in doubt, just follow what Christ did, you'll do well