things I learned from torch: 1 - if your piece is hanging, push a pawn 2 - trade when you are down material

@nicolasj6745

9 ай бұрын

3 - Make multiple moves with the same piece 4 - sacrifice the rook 5 - maneuver the dark square bishop to a dark square

@Chessdummy

9 ай бұрын

Oh too funny, however y’all can’t hold a “candle” to torch! Jaja

@tylerdurden-ch8ip

9 ай бұрын

6 - move your king to defend a pawn from your own rook 7 - reroute the knight 420 times

@SocialistNerd

9 ай бұрын

@@tylerdurden-ch8ip 8. Never retreat or protect your pieces

@jamesbortey5302

9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Waiting for Gotham to say "When you do it, it's stupid. When Torch does it, it's brilliant. It knows what it's doing "

@jout738

9 ай бұрын

Because you dont know what your doing, when your hanging pieces, but the top engines absolutely know what their doing, when their hanging their pieces.

@Carboy45

9 ай бұрын

Me who had gotten 10+ brilliant moves

@culumermu3351

9 ай бұрын

​@@jout738its basicly what he said?

@user-yc5gb4tr8c

9 ай бұрын

​@@jout738thank you, like we wouldn't know

@RishabhSharma10225

9 ай бұрын

@@jout738 Your your worst enemy and your your best friend. Their their worst enemy and their their best friend.

If a normal person blunders, it's a blunder If a grandmaster blunders, it's a sacrifice If a bot blunders, it's a brilliant move

17:26 you know it’s crazy when the bots start defending their pawns from their own rook.

@jordanbordan2383

9 ай бұрын

I was looking for this comment

@remant1628

9 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@NoobieAbhinav

9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@matthewbagdovitz4115

9 ай бұрын

ChatGPT has entered the chat

9 ай бұрын

Trust no one, right?!

it's crazy how torch find the idea on 22:54 which is putting the darkquared bishop to a dark square

@timgrootbruinderink6279

9 ай бұрын

I was about to comment the same lmao

@iwishexamsneverhappened

9 ай бұрын

Amazing idea from torch!

@Frenchhornhero

9 ай бұрын

Stockfish did better when it came up with the idea to place the light square bishop on a dark square.

@Factsbite90

9 ай бұрын

i was gonna coment the same

@Orbwn

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention finding the top computer move at 17:21

After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 100 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.

@Bringmehere

9 ай бұрын

20:18 is this an inaccuracy or a great move

@rayyanahmed5266

9 ай бұрын

*1000 elo

@soralee1910

9 ай бұрын

*10000 elo

@jout738

9 ай бұрын

Good progress dude. Keep the good work up, when one day you will reach the grandmaster rank after working hard enough in chess.

@worir6752

9 ай бұрын

@@Bringmehere it is a brilliant move accorording to my brain.

i hope it doesn't beat stockfish. just honestly. because i think it would be a shame for open-source to fall to paywalls and closed doors.

@Ilportavoce

9 ай бұрын

same

@gusleffers9265

9 ай бұрын

Most based take I’ve heard in so long

@wayne30047

9 ай бұрын

You sir, just took the words out of my mouth.

@VorpalSword9

9 ай бұрын

Yep. This is not an exciting announcement at all

@Empika

9 ай бұрын

stockfish can always get better

Plot twist: Mittens was just undercover Torch in a testing phase.

@roykin0929

9 ай бұрын

This could ACTUALLY be a thing

@daniella969

9 ай бұрын

@@roykin0929 No, Mittens was Komodo

@Unndecided

8 ай бұрын

Mittens is Komodo 13 with a positional personality

17:21 love how Levy says “it plays the top computer move” in a video about chess computers kkkkkkk

@obamabingchilling

9 ай бұрын

defending its pawn from its own rook

@FluxXx7789

9 ай бұрын

thought the same, lol

@valiantwarrior1988

9 ай бұрын

Top computer move is that of stockfish

@ryanrech107

9 ай бұрын

@@valiantwarrior1988yeah, but I imagine most moves it played are identical to what stockfish would do

20:13 for anybody wondering, that !? symbol is actually called an "interesting move" and isn't shown on game review. it means "interesting, but perhaps not the best move", "move deserving attention", "enterprising move" and "risky move"

@d1kgaws12

9 ай бұрын

How do you get one of these purple !? symbols?

@bethpeterman3490

9 ай бұрын

I was wondering the same thing

@sunflower8227

9 ай бұрын

@@d1kgaws12 when you do an interesting move but not the best

@stalowygen5506

9 ай бұрын

That means that Stockfish is confused

@stevejohn7459

2 ай бұрын

So it’s more like the cross between a brilliant move and a blunder right like a chance move? If you accept or miss to capture then you win but if the intention was disrupted and your opponent does the opposite then it’s a blunder unless it is already a winning position but for a quick checkmate.

Alphazero: revolutionizes chess with its pawn sacrifices Torch: "pawns? youre weak"

I can't believe Torch kept finding the top computer move. What are the odds?

@misbahkauser9435

9 ай бұрын

It's almost like it is a computer! Unbelievable!

@hmzh5824

9 ай бұрын

Guys, I think Torch is cheating. It keeps getting top engine moves. Like a computer does. 🤔

@C4nineOfficial

7 ай бұрын

Insanity. Only computers should be able to find the top computer moves.

@brightblackhole2442

4 ай бұрын

it's ridiculous how blatantly "Torch" is using an engine to cheat in so many games. the accuracy and review just says it all

I dont even understand half of whats going on but seeing him explain everything so excitedly hypes me up😆

@tanmayjiop

9 ай бұрын

Ya ya just stop blushing

@KONCEITEDKE

9 ай бұрын

Fr thooo😭😭😭

@KONCEITEDKE

9 ай бұрын

Bro be like ROOOOK H7😈, i be like what happened 💀

@Varscool

9 ай бұрын

+1

@gloria9985

9 ай бұрын

Only 504 likes and 4 comments?lemme change that

4:02 Gotham: I don't remember because I'm not psychopath. Magnus: 🗿

@ajcon3874

9 ай бұрын

Hikaru:

As the engines play a pair of games against each other in the same opening, I think it would be much more interesting if you would show the second game aswell to understand if it was easy for an engine to win or if it was a real masterpiece.

@_Insert_Username

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Levy must mention the result of opposite match. But in the last game, torch managed to draw the position with black against lc0

@agarrikr2996

9 ай бұрын

@@_Insert_UsernameI’m fairly confident Leela wins over Torch

@ebentually

9 ай бұрын

@@agarrikr2996 I agree, cause also recently Leela won a major competition namely the Cup 11 held this year while stockfish only placed second.

I do really love having stockfish analyze the games because I see the question mark or brilliant move and I feel like I'm watching the smart guy in an anime breakdown what the protagonist is doing.

17:24 king moving up to defend the white pawn from the white rook is truly an amazing defensive move

As a bot, i can confirm that Levy is handsome Edit : 3k ?!?

@bandit1642

9 ай бұрын

As a bot i can confirm that u are handsome

@tanmayjiop

9 ай бұрын

Ya ya just stop blushing 😊

@tanmayjiop

9 ай бұрын

​@@bandit1642as a boy I can confirm you are gay

@army1057

9 ай бұрын

​@@tanmayjiop😏📸🤨

@tanmayjiop

9 ай бұрын

@@army1057 🤣🤣👍

Video idea: what's the least amount of advantage it would take for levy to beat the best chess bot. Starting with a 0.0 advantage and then slowly increasing the advantage like a .5 or 1 increment. Like if you would like to see it.

@user-jd5zt4of8q

9 ай бұрын

I think Hikaru did this once

@lostceres5480

9 ай бұрын

​@@user-jd5zt4of8qwhich video?

@Blank-yd8wv

9 ай бұрын

@@user-jd5zt4of8q link

@Blank-yd8wv

9 ай бұрын

@@user-jd5zt4of8q i searched for it, what i found was hikaru vs different levels of stock fish. What I'm proposing is levy vs best bot but levy starts with an advantage

@rikythebombera7386

9 ай бұрын

Hikaru did something similar with mittens

“And in this position white plays the top computer move” Wow, that’s crazy Levy.

A chess computer when they gave up a piece, it is a sacrifice, however when I do it is a blunder. 😭😭😭

22:55 brilliant move putting dark square bishop on a dark square, amazing

Player plays a6, Levy - "Why you stupid?" Torch plays a6, Levy - "Ah, activating the rook without moving it"

16:30 haha! that's exactly what I do in those kinds of positions, I actually learned it from playing stockfish, they can't mate you if their own pawn is blocking them.

4:41 No wonder Torch is in the shape of a bishop. It burns them all

It would be very interesting for Levy to read through some of the code for stockfish (or any engine) with someone who can explain the code. I am curious to see a strong player's perspective on how it evaluates positions and makes decisions.

@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca

9 ай бұрын

They all use neural networks, or commonly called AI. The decisions are made based on multidimensional matrices that are refined from random values through training. As a result, I expect there is little chess to be learned in the code. There are some methods to visualise the weights such as showing not only the top move but multiple lines, or heatmaps. But ultimately neural networks still are very much black boxes, and analysing them largely relies on inspecting the results, not the process itself. The code for a bot that essentially makes random moves would look no different than stockfish.

@jarnevanbec2886

9 ай бұрын

There is no code in the sense that you can follow any logic.

@user-fp7jz4ot6f

9 ай бұрын

@@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca stockfish isn't AI based, it's just a good eval and search functions so there is much chess

Torch is a definition of "torture" other bots

Levy and Tortch should alternate moves against other worse bots to see if levy can make torch loose even though he's trying

Levi talking about all this brainy shit gets me nodding along and excited to play some chess! Then my 200 elo ass goes and hangs my queen every other game.

So about that "a chessbot that is going to be the answer to, hopefully, in the long run, stockfish" part: Why would you want a proprietary piece of software, developed by a predatory company to win over a community driven, open source engine? I hope that if torch ever gets good enough, it will only motivate everyone to put it back in it's place again.

"And in this position, the computer makes the top computer move."

"I don't know why Stockfish is British." 😂😂😂 3:06

the could've just forked (as in copy the code of) stockfish, and say "yea, it can beat every bot, but stockfish"

@soupisfornoobs4081

9 ай бұрын

Sounds illegal, wasn't there a similar court case not long ago with Fritz

@plate2105

9 ай бұрын

It is illegal, I am a law student.

@WNGaming1

9 ай бұрын

@@plate2105chad

@Sir_catfish_the_4th

9 ай бұрын

@@plate2105real

@VorpalSword9

9 ай бұрын

@@plate2105 Forking an open source project is not illegal lmao

That chess torch is like a reference to chess olympiad but i could also imagine it Being passed from on GM to another so that each try to beat it.

@aeghohloechu5022

9 ай бұрын

Or PyTorch, the AI framework used in the bot.

@Jake-bw3xs

9 ай бұрын

Or for my heart, it’s a Survivor reference

I know a decent amount(slightly above average) about how the bots are programmed to do what they do but i still always genuinely enjoy your videos about the chess bots and you just make it seem like an action movie every time. Also stockfish evaluating the other engines games shows just how dominant it is 😂

"How do you prevent your opponent from castling, is to by not letting them castle." -Levy Rozman

After watching levy for 2 years, I can proudly admit that i started at 1 000 000 elo and i am now 100 elo. I would like to thank levy for all his help.

Just watched the whole 25 minute video in 25 seconds, this bot is insane

@imjonathan6745

9 ай бұрын

Gotham chess subscriber speedrun?

Engine vs engine should be a playlist on your channel

Hey man, love your videos - been watching for a few years now - but i was wondering if you could do a video on how much better ‘bots’ are than humans by starting the boys off with fewer pieces, maybe missing a knight, or bishop or both - would the bot (stockfish) win - and further to that same point, how many fewer pieces would it take for a bot to lose - i find the whole bot thing super fascinating!

But can the bot stare as intensely as Gotham?

i was 1000 elo, but after watching gotham, im 100 elo. i just want to thank gotham for helping me improve my elo rating.

Levy: 'In this position the computer plays the top computer move'

The fact that torch is able to play top engine moves the whole game is incredible!

23:43. Levy's famous line: THE ROOOK! Stare was 10/10 because of the unexpected moves!

As a 70 elo player these games are unimaginable for me

@ghostbaconhair

9 ай бұрын

100 minimum elo

@Senku77

9 ай бұрын

Can u even get that low?

@Jaskirat01

9 ай бұрын

@@ghostbaconhair u kidding me

@ghostbaconhair

9 ай бұрын

@@Jaskirat01 anything below 100 means ur intentionally trying to lose

@cveki007

9 ай бұрын

60 ELO here. Totally agree.

I do like seeing more top level engines, it makes it more interesting. I want to see more stockfish level engines battle it out. But it sucks that Torch isn’t open source.

Sometimes levy just breezes passed the most unhinged engine moves, and other times he acts like the most natural moves ever are insane. And I think that makes these videos even more entertaining

17:20 "White plays the top computer move"... yeah, no shit bud. It's a computer.

Ok, but are we gonna talk about how majestic Levy looks?

@aldocort3418

9 ай бұрын

He'd be a great bottom

@iro9486

9 ай бұрын

The jewiness is really showing in his beard for sure, definitely a great bottom.

@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos

9 ай бұрын

@@aldocort3418 bruh

@robertakerman3570

9 ай бұрын

He looks great eating nuts(I devour those morsels).

@behram6288

9 ай бұрын

We need a levy vs michael storen majesty contest

Torch is so insane that not even levy can explain

Love the bots vs bots games. Inspirational. MOAR!!!!!!

I recently played against this Torch Chess Bot and at the end of the game it moved its pawns to spell out the words "I'm trapped in this box, HELP ME!" What do you think it could mean?

@marcbeltran1827

9 ай бұрын

He probably wanted to draw the game

@charliez5394

9 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure that’s impossible because there isn’t enough pawns

@Cookiee941

9 ай бұрын

@@charliez5394 really ?

@doubleinstruments6453

9 ай бұрын

wabts to kiss a female chess player even underrated

Bro gothem is literally the most entertaining person because of his goofy jokes😂

@aldocort3418

9 ай бұрын

He is a true content creator that caters his content to his goofy fanbase and our weird comments 😂

@Wowowowdjnf

9 ай бұрын

Npc comment

@screamer22222

9 ай бұрын

Who?

@tejemo4694

9 ай бұрын

His goofy jokes tickles my funny bone

I remember when Kasparov had a melt down over a move Deep Blue played against him in a game in 1996/97. Can you imagine him playing Torch today, his head would explode. Literally, figuratively, metaphorically and a bunch of other 'lys'.

I love this bots prioritisation of position over material

Levy - I’m a software dev. You’re good. Don’t worry about saying dumb things about programming. I say dumb things about chess all the time.

Chess bots are gonna take over Levy

Levy: and now white plays the top computer move me: wait a second

Other chess bots: I’m up more pieces! It’s impossible for you to win! Torch: 🗿

Hey Levy (GothamChess)! You're amazing at chess! Your videos are so fun to watch, and I've learned a lot from you. Your explanations make complicated stuff easy to understand, and your game analysis is awesome! Thanks for inspiring me to play more and get better at chess. Can't wait for your next video!❤

Last time was 10,000 now 1,000,000?

Was waiting for levy to scream😂😂 the ROOOOOK

I was waiting tho hear that Magic Word "he sacrificed the ROOK"thats why i love levy

Torch's playstyle makes me feel like the rooks are worth less than 5. probably 4 and a half or even as low as 4

When u see gothams video at midnight with a bowl of cereal . it feels like the start of something new 😇

i love the enthusiasm levi shows when the bot makes a brilliant sacrifice 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Torch's play gives me super energy and ideas to play my next 100games and lose them all quickly

Levy (GothamChess), your chess videos are the best - they're fun and teach me a lot! Keep up the great work!

i believe the reason its called torch is because it is run on python(python has a module for AI called PyTorch) Sorry for my trashy explanation im not sure how to prperly explaining this.

Would be an unimaginable match between the torch and Magnus Carlson 😮😅

I don't believe for a minute that this Torch is stronger than Leela, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it. This is just marketing.

@yodamaged2703

9 ай бұрын

Agreed

@seanwhat6

9 ай бұрын

I don't believe for a minute that this Leela is stronger than Torch, let's see how it does in a controlled environment like TCEC before we crown it.

@mapl3man237

9 ай бұрын

Why not? It’s developed by a very successful company with many veterans in the field. Every time a company with this many resources developed a chess engine it has become number one (Deep Blue and AlphaZero)

@kpoz__0

9 ай бұрын

Leela played with black pieces

@hR-gw3re

9 ай бұрын

is Leela you're gf?

Hi Gotham! I just played a chess game and got my first brilliant move! Can I contact you somehow and ask you to make a video about it? I am 300 ELO so it might be very fun, I absolutely love content you make, especially 200-300 ELO chess. Thank you early.

Levy: This is madness Me: This is magnus

Torch got the opponent to block its own attack with a pawn

Levy may not be a waiter, but he never fails to deliver!

@vikggx

9 ай бұрын

Waiters serve and levy is serving Michelin star stuff out here

To be honest one day we will be 40 year olds and remember we used to watch Gotham. Can't wait for that moment

@Axiomatic75

9 ай бұрын

I'm 47 already, I'll probably be in my 70s when you reminisce about Gotham.

@aaron-os9ms

9 ай бұрын

We will still watch GothamChess when we're 40

@bvictory5698

9 ай бұрын

33 here and watching... ah yes I will remember lol. And I’m almost certain he still will be making chess videos in 7 years. Bet on it. Begs the question... how young are you lol.

@keri7031

9 ай бұрын

​@@bvictory5698by the time i get to my 40s gotham will be in his 50s 😂

" It's over 9 Carlsens! " - SonGotham

Every start of the video gotham gives us a quick death glare

Levy is the real chess bot here

RIP GothamChess, he will be remembered for kissing up to magnus too much.

22:55 ah yes. Putting the dark square bishop on to a dark square. Thanks levi 😅

He was talking so quietly and I was getting so into it and then “THE ROOOOOK” totally scared me lol

Not a software engeneer, but.... Didn't in this very same video Gotham say that the French Defense is basically unplayable at the AI level? And then showed a game Torch won against the current #2 where the #2 plays the French? So... Torch isn't the new #2, I see.

@abc-iz9vg

9 ай бұрын

French is definetly playable. Infact most classically trained engines (not NNUE) prefer french over c5, or c6. But I think engines prefer exchange french which kills the fun.

Levy is so good. Here is an essay why: Levy talks about chess, chess bots, grandmasters and alot more! He puts alot of effort into his videos to make his viewers comfortable. He explains every thing about the bot or GM at the moment. You should watch him, because he is happy for even 1 like. Thank you for reading this, i appreaciate every view.

22:55 when a computer puts the dark square bishop on a dark square?! 🤯

Was waiting for levy to scream😂😂

Today’s stare was simple, but I still felt Gotham sucking my soul 8/10

Todays stare was good very soleless 9/10

Basically levy taught us to attack the non castled king

This engine is unreal. I'm super excited to see where it leads us.

This bot is gonna put Magnus to shame

@saurishjayam5679

9 ай бұрын

What do you mean? A human does not need to be ashamed to lose to a bot. In case you didn't know, magnus is also a human.

@lean2260

9 ай бұрын

@@saurishjayam5679 no way I didn't know Magnus is real😱😱

@zacharysherry2910

9 ай бұрын

Mittens was already like 600 elo above Magnus

To everyone who reads this comment, I wish you good in life.😊

Torch learned from levy to sacrifice THE ROOK

Torch really likes torchering bots

“The bishop was sent out to die”😂😂

as a software engineer, this is fascinating. You did well Levy

22:54 "...put its bishop on a dark square" I mean about 50% of bishops do that

Stockfish about to hit the barbeque on this one

I don't know if it's something you do often, but the first game commentary made an impression with the potency of quiet commentary. Even more than hype commentary I was drawn into the game with commentary denoting the awe of the beauty of chess at the highest level