Stockfish never fails to play the top engine move

@death0910

5 ай бұрын

true

@w925gaming6

5 ай бұрын

Intresting.....

@BonBonBerti

5 ай бұрын

It's been 5 mins

@w925gaming6

5 ай бұрын

Yes I made a typo get over it

@yourlocalchessteacher

5 ай бұрын

fr

"Try to copy what these engines play" Yeah, that's what got me banned. Thanks.

@obi-wankenobi5411

Ай бұрын

Lol

It would be very interesting to see the evaluation bar for both stockfish and leela at the same time to see how they evaluate the current position.

@longofire236

5 ай бұрын

Nice idea

@MadMan123654

5 ай бұрын

I would die laughing when Leela's eval bar goes skyrocketing after stockfish makes a move it thinks is equal

@krish8804

5 ай бұрын

i think leela evaluates position very different than stockfish, like u could see +0.5 on stockfish, wheres leela would show +3.

@null1700

5 ай бұрын

It wouldn't work well unless evaluation is given by those cloud engines, that actually play the game. Browser or local engines are obviously too weak to provide accurate analysis

@Anzuo

5 ай бұрын

​@@null1700I think that's the point. That sort of information should be logged and published as the games are being played. I reckon you could compare them and see some interesting results

Levy never fails to review an entire game then say "but that didn't happen"

@alexiscoutinho8078

5 ай бұрын

That's why it's so engaging :)

@kokobroxd

4 ай бұрын

"but instead of that"

@louiserocks1

20 күн бұрын

When I first started watching him, and was like a chess beginner, I found it kinda pointless, annoying, waste of time, but now I find it interesting how it could've played out and it actually explains why certain moves are better than others (where you have to think many moves ahead) so yeah it's more interesting like that

I'm amazed that levy didn't find a way to squeeze magnus into the title

@AUSans101

5 ай бұрын

😢

@dolger4308

5 ай бұрын

Don't tempt him

@SpongesVII

5 ай бұрын

Stockfish has Fallen BUT MAGNUS DIDN'T!!! (I'm not a hater I'm just kidding I don't like the people who actually try to make Levy feel bad)

@stephenallen4635

5 ай бұрын

didnt take him very long to work magnus into the actual video though

@FrutoseDeMorango

5 ай бұрын

THE MAGNUS CARLSEN OF CHESSBOTS!!!

it feels like stockfish has been trained on humans and leela has been trained on stockfish

@peterkovacs184

5 ай бұрын

It is actually Leela generates data, that both Leela and Stockfish learns.

@zaccherradi618

5 ай бұрын

Pretty sure stock fish is still the more powerful engine

@sonphantrung

5 ай бұрын

@@zaccherradi618That's for sure. Stockfish loses one, wins a bunch of others.

@walidali8669

5 ай бұрын

​@@zaccherradi618Not anymore

@DampLover

5 ай бұрын

@@walidali8669 So what tournament did Leela win then? Superfinal: Stockfish won 52-48. Cup 12: Stockfish won 14.5-13.5. Swiss: Stockfish won at 15.5 points, Leela second at 14.5 points. FRD league is currently running, might be where Leela actually can win for once. Stockfish shouldn´t be this dominant if what you say is true.

It's absolutely staggering to see Leela play this game. Stockfish plays like an absolute bloodthirsty demon but LC0 just Sun Zu's through it relentlessly. I am far too smooth brained to understand the plays but it's gorgeous to watch

@ishkanark6725

5 ай бұрын

Which is why it's called a zoo

@jordanmungo917

5 ай бұрын

To be fair every game in this video is LC0 playing white from a position that is slightly winning from the opening. Stockfish would win these positions just as easily if not easier (most likely) Still cool to watch, but it's not some nail in the coffin of Stockfish

@alveolate

5 ай бұрын

@@jordanmungo917 were they "slightly winning from the opening" tho? the second one had leela losing a bishop at the start. white generally has a very tiny advantage; but i don't think that microscopic advantage matters that much among the top AIs, especially when they are programmed to do theory moves in the opening. but yea, definitely far from stockfish being donezo... yet. what would be amazing tho... is if stockfish actually learns from these losses and starts dreaming up counters for that h6 pawn from leela. it would be spooky if we can actually track stockfish's evolution in terms of chess theory... what if stockfish actually stops playing like an aggro demon at the next tournament and starts positioning defensively/long-term like leela did here?

@killerdoc1077

5 ай бұрын

@@alveolate openings REALLY matter to the AIs

@clgr1323

5 ай бұрын

@@ishkanark6725 UNLESS ITS A FARM

The Similarities between Levy and Stockfish are insane as they both play chess.

Stockfish says," You can't " Leela and Torch say, " Watch us "

@keithmiller8510

5 ай бұрын

Caught some fresh got ham 👏

@RaniaIsAwesome

5 ай бұрын

meh, leela has beaten stockfish before and then stockfish has beaten leela again. They jockey for first and second.

@tiletapper4ever

5 ай бұрын

Leela beat stockfish? Interesting

@Jordan-ud4qv

5 ай бұрын

@@tiletapper4everLeela played with an elo of 3642. I believe you would find this interesting.

@gregrowsey843

5 ай бұрын

Yeah watch the video. @@tiletapper4ever

Levy will find a way to talk about Magnus in a computer chess tournament.

@osgubben

5 ай бұрын

So did you😮

Stockfish has fallen, pieces will be sacrificed, billions will be checkmated

As Leela I can confirm that Stockfish has indeed fallen for me

@markhathaway9456

5 ай бұрын

You saying Stockfish is carrying a torch for Torch? 🙂

@QuentinKLEau

5 ай бұрын

Well, for me it has fallen after going neural network...just after Leela won TCEC. It has to be noted that Stockfish is still the champ, but after going NN, it was just crushing opponents, including Leela. Seems the situation is getting re-balanced. I was expecting this thing to happen because Leela's approach in algorithm is better in the long run but its success is linked to the progress of computers.

@JustAnotherCommenter

5 ай бұрын

@@QuentinKLEauyou're like the 🤓emoji except to an extreme level

@jaideepshekhar4621

5 ай бұрын

​@@JustAnotherCommenterWhat is wrong with you?

@G4M3R1R0N

5 ай бұрын

​@@QuentinKLEauyou didn't get the joke OP is saying stockfish is crushing on leela

Stockfish never fails to include Levy in Chess

@MorningNapalm

5 ай бұрын

Chess never fails to include Levy in Stockfish.

@dakaramotto.

5 ай бұрын

Levy never fails to include Chess in Stockfish.

@zes3813

2 ай бұрын

wrr

Today's stare was quite suspicious, and exquisitely simple, yet royal in its regard. 11/10, thank you Levy.

@peeriuga5517

5 ай бұрын

haha fr

@tiletapper4ever

5 ай бұрын

11/9

@sealcraft4353

5 ай бұрын

fiddle with da cow fat and a bean bag biscuit do you know?

@matthew5330

5 ай бұрын

@@sealcraft4353 what- 😂

@KenzogVFX

5 ай бұрын

My video froze on the first frame for like 7 seconds so I thought it was just a really long stare XD

Nah report that fish dude for cheating. Ain’t no way he can play all the best moves

Really immersive video Gotham. Played this on my TV and I felt like you were right there in the room with me like a little human in the TV explaining chess to me

@maciejglinski6564

5 ай бұрын

xddd

@DudeWhoSaysDeez

4 ай бұрын

wait, hes not a little human in my tv?

@2complex43

2 ай бұрын

If we were on Reddit I would give you an award@@DudeWhoSaysDeez

@contruq

2 ай бұрын

Psychosis got me

@BabitaKumari-hk9ci

Ай бұрын

​@@DudeWhoSaysDeezhe meant TV mai kaisa dikh Raha hai use samjhana chah raha tha.

Stockfish never fails to play chess

@bobbleisawesome

5 ай бұрын

waiting for the r/woooosh

@IAmebAdger

5 ай бұрын

​@@bobbleisawesome r/woooosh

@bobbleisawesome

5 ай бұрын

@@IAmebAdger i dont think thats how it works

@IAmebAdger

5 ай бұрын

@@bobbleisawesome I know, it was tongue in cheek

@BuggatiWeryon

5 ай бұрын

Of course he never fails No need to do it, I r/wooooshed myself

Your AlphaZero vs Stockfish breakdowns got me into your channel and into chess in general. You are very good at commentating chess games and making any game interesting

@NatoBoram

5 ай бұрын

Leela is a successor of AlphaZero, which is pretty amazing!

Would love to see how Stockfish handled the same positions as white. Would be really interesting to see where the two computers deviate from one another in these paired games and how that ends up affecting the result of each match.

Something I'm learning from these engines. Its not just about gaining space. It's denying space. In that second game Lela completely blocked Black from its side of the board and patiently pushed its way closer to the other side while preventing black from getting past its front lines.

@michaelblankenau6598

4 ай бұрын

Isn't denying space the same as gaining space ?

@preparedsurvivalist2245

4 ай бұрын

Not exactly. You can restrict the movement of your opponents pieces without actually gaining any space of your own. @@michaelblankenau6598

@thatrespectablehuman1884

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelblankenau6598 usually gaining space would mean squares on the opponents side of the board and protecting your side you would just call defense or prophylaxis or something like that

@michaelblankenau6598

2 ай бұрын

My point was that if you’re gaining space you’re at the same time denying space to your opponent …

@preparedsurvivalist2245

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelblankenau6598 I mean yes, obviously...if you look at it as total squares captured and controlled. But I was more looking at it from the standpoint that moving forward and gaining squares can be done while allowing infiltration into your own side of the board. But if you deny access to your side AND move forth and gain more space, this is what the engines do.

Excellent video Levy. Love these engine deep dives. The different variations that you explain give a much better understanding of these complicated engine moves. Would love to see more videos like these in the future.

Love when you do chess engine reviews, Levy! I'm an avid TCEC watcher, especially the long time control parts of seasons and bonus rounds. Love your content! Sending love from New Zealand!

Stockfish falls and breaks its neck Levy: 😃 👍

This was such a fun video to watch! I don't usually care so much about chess engines, but you've done such a good job explaining why they're important to the evolution of the game PLUS weaving a narrative around this competition... dramatic and engrossing!

Stockfish never fails to play a key role in gotham chess videos.

Always good to see Stockfish getting humbled.

Getting his pieces into the action quickly is how Morphy played. And his opponent's pieces were stuck in the mud.

Stockfish has fallen. Billions must blunder.

Stockfish never fails to feature levy in a video

So, basically, Stockfish's aggression decimates any human players, but Leela's perfect defense negates its advantage. And thus, the unstoppable force can't touch the immovable object.

@Pharmaceutics

5 ай бұрын

I mean what you wrote sounds cool and all but end of the day stockfish is still stronger and has beaten leela more than vice versa

@derekweber552

5 ай бұрын

@@Pharmaceutics Fair. Theoretically though, a bot like Leela would be the one to overtake Stockfish, I would imagine

@Pharmaceutics

5 ай бұрын

@@derekweber552 yeah agreed, the way it looked like it knew stockfishes play style and actual tendencies in these games was a bit unnerving ngl

@samuelvavia8920

5 ай бұрын

Counterpoint: "All things must pass" George Harrison

@Pharmaceutics

5 ай бұрын

@@samuelvavia8920 key word ‘is’

These engines are like chess avengers. Stockfish is the team leader, Leela is the calm and swift female character, Torch is the new kid in the team who comes from a rich family, always naughty, and super aggressive in fights.

@Anonymous-8080

6 күн бұрын

AlphaZero is the self made successful guy

i love levy's enthusiasm and characterization of stockfish as a bully lmao

That second game was very Magnesian, all pieces out, all pawns reluctant to move until the exact right time. Amazing. This is like watching Hikaru adopting 2750s.

Haha I love the way you giving " Personalites" to the Lila and Stockfish ❤😂😂😂❤

@ImriGD

5 ай бұрын

Leela just so u know

@Whyisthisathing825

5 ай бұрын

Leelo and stitchfish, one calmed, the other absurdly aggresive

@pola_behr

5 ай бұрын

@@Whyisthisathing825 Leila and Shockstich, strategic thinker vs the wild card

@Super_Yokai

5 ай бұрын

nah it's layla and stuckfish wtg? you guys can't spell

@ImriGD

5 ай бұрын

@@Super_Yokai stuckfish is stuck at 3600 elo

Thanks levy for the video! I'm feeling pretty down right now I just want to forget about this awful feeling of sadness. I really appreciate the video. thanks man!.

Stockfish never fails to play the top Hans Niemann move

This is a wonderful set of games. Beautiful. Love this.

I would love to see content like this with both eval bars. It is interesting to see the stockfish eval bar be like "it's a draw" and the a few moves later be like "just kidding I'm losing". Curious to see what the other eval was at the same time.

Stockfish never fails to raise Levy’s kids.

I like the fact that Levy is happy after Stockfish's death. Good job! You made me spontaneously combust

I second the motion to make more engine videos! I've been writing my own for the past month or so, and it's about 2000 blitz on Lichess :)

*Billions must calculate.*

You are amazing levy. Your work ethic and your passion is just infectious. More power to you.

Great educational content Levy! I need to thank you for getting me into chess because I've won some tournaments. Some non-impressive and some impressive. Thank you for getting me into a new part of my life, and educating me for free.

Welcome back Gotham , you truly belongs to the good old days content that includes these types of exquisite engine games

stock fish never fails to put levy in its videos

I really enjoyed that and would love to see more like it. Your commentating is great, it really makes it exciting to watch. Its nice to see the mighty stockfish played like a fool.

These videos are definitely the most fascinating on your channel. I always love torch videos.

stockfish and LC0 never fail to make levy adopted.

@OG-YT

5 ай бұрын

Bot comment 🤖🤖

@0_0ba

5 ай бұрын

Im not a bot kiddo

@0_0ba

5 ай бұрын

Im a real person

If Leela keeps this up, it might become as accurate as Hans

Awesome breakdown of all the moves. I'm totally fascinated by computer chess. Keep those videos coming 😮

Well, the result doesn't surprise me, considering Stock Fischer is just Bobby Fischer's brother.

The last game was so beautifully played

Levy's phrase "Slowly, methodically, improve." never gets old.

@L.G.X.69420

5 ай бұрын

*Starts bullet game*

Very cool! I also would like to keep watching these engine chess videos. From time to time maybe. Certainly enjoyed this one Keep it up, Well done

Yes, I would like more coverage of the cutting-edge chess programs playing against each other!

Poor stockfish, even though it almost always wins the overall matches Levy never fails to make videos where it seems like it lost overall.

As each position is repeated on both sides, It could be interesting to analyze difference in gameplans. Did both engines develop the same ideas towards victory? Especialy when there is a difference in the outcome (as it was the case for game 3). Why did Leela won as white but stockfish didnt win when it had the white pieces in the same position. Leela lost the superfi but it's getting closer

Loved these engine vs engine game examples. They demonstrated a depth of field my limited scope often fails to consider.

Completely agree. This is great content and love your commentary

Stockfish is our king He will never truly fall

Leela is like the strict teacher of chess

Damn, Leela moving the king manually to the g file to keep the rook on the h file to support the h pawn is such a powerful strat to set up the endgame is incredible. Such incredible play by Leela on every part of the board. The queenside defense, the middle file tension, and the kingside expansion, she makes stockfish look so brutish compared to her calm and elegant play. I love every single AI chess video you put out, Levy. These videos truly are just such a wonderful treat. Excellent brain-food. Especially since I'm 600 ELO, watching these with your commentary feels like eating at a five star restaurant while I've got open cans of Chef Boyardee at home.

Bring more content like this Levy! I enjoy it very much.

it'd be great if you linked the PGN (or at least the round and game # from the match) in the description :D

@NatoBoram

5 ай бұрын

Providing sources? On KZread? Pfft

Stockfish's chess never fails to speak for itself

It's useful and entertaining to see high level play broken down like this with your explanations.

These are super instructive, more please!

"Prepare to be amazed" on a GothamChess video often means "prepare to be clickbaited"

@obi-wankenobi5411

Ай бұрын

This was actually amazing though. Rare occurrence. But these were honestly great matches.

Levi is hands down one of the greatest chess teachers he helped me get from 0 to 1300 elo in about a year

@richardthomas3577

5 ай бұрын

Likewise!! From 0 to 750 in 18 months!!

LCZero foiling the castle essentially took two pieces for one, the pawn taken and the h file rook stuffed in the corner for several more moves, unable to move to the center files

I enjoyed this more than any of your other content, and I enjoy the rest of your content lots

We know we're in the final form when they don't even play. They just shake hands and one King falls.

Would be cool to see stock fish and the others play 960 or other chess variations

@unvergebeneid

5 ай бұрын

I wonder if they would just draw most games though. I mean, this only doesn't happen in these games because of the forced openings.

Your narration was pretty good, got all hyped up, makes me wanna play

Great vid for the next one can maybe put on game review so we can see what stockfish thinks of lellas moves

They're like GM vs IM. Both know what they're doing, but one can do defense and offense simultaneously better. Great stuff.

@felixb8418

5 ай бұрын

Don't get the wrong idea, Stockfish is higher rated and wins a greater amount of games against Leela. Also the openings featured in these games are notoriously bad for black at computer level. Stockfish vs Stockfish, Leela vs Leela, Stockfish vs Leela and Leela vs Stockfish all would result in a high probability of white winning the games. Don't compare Stockfish to an IM. :(

@RedEyeLordofFire

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, SF also won as white in the Queens Indian and Scandinavian shown in this vid. Although Lc0 was able to hold the Kings Indian against SF.

Having seen this whole video 2 mins after it’s release - can confirm it’s a banger

I loved this video Levy. Your analysis here was spot on. More like this please.

Thank you. I love your explaining. Sorry for my very limited English. Greetings from Cenizate, Albacete, Spain. Keep it up!

“Stockfish has fallen” is something we’d wanna hear during the AI uprising tbh

Stockfish never fails to put Gotham in a chess game

The stockfish has fallen Millions must improve

Great video. I'm not into engine vs engine... BUT when they produce these types of games I'll watch every time. Good one Levy.

Levy never fails to include Stockfish in his videos.

First Torch, then Leela Stockfish has indeed fallen

@theoncomingstorm7903

5 ай бұрын

I mean SF still beats both more often than the reverse, it won this tournament overall.

What beautiful games. Really enjoyed this, as always. Thanks.

These videos motivate me to play good chess thats why we love the series

Didnt think a fish could fall

@AUSans101

5 ай бұрын

Lol

@Eibezukunft

5 ай бұрын

Gravity

@AUSans101

5 ай бұрын

@@Eibezukunftbruh

Interesting, that originally, AlphaZero was extremely aggressive, yet LC as a "spiritual successor" is much more ... "calm and patient" in a way. - And Stockfish flipped in the opposite direction, perhaps?

@miriamkapeller6754

5 ай бұрын

That makes sense, since Stockfish is a classical engine which has to "prove" that a move is good during its search in order for a move to be chosen. Meanwhile Lc0 can just rely on intuition and play a move knowing it will probably lead to an advantage at some point, even without having calculated it to the end. And I think the reason AlphaZero looked aggressive is just because Stockfish 8 played flawed moves, which it mercilessly punished. If you put Lc0 against the old Stockfish 8, I'm sure it would look similar.

The engine has fallen, billions must calculate

The impression saying "imma take the knight cos knights are tricky" that's me 😂

Levi never fails to respekt the fish

As fallen, I can confirm that stockfish has me

I like watching the computer videos because it shows me deep middle game and end game ideologies. Its like seeing the frontier of chess and where it can be...

When levy mouthslips his words

Levy never fails to manage stockfish

This was very interesting and amazing. Gothem never fails to amaze stockfish

I really like the analogy that levy gives ❤😂

stockfish and leela like a sibling rivalry in engine chess both are so close in strength but fighting ruthlessly against each other

@santoshpanjiara1860

Ай бұрын

Who is the elder sister Stockfish or Leela?