The UK government’s proposed cfDNA screening implementation is projected to result in a profound increase in the number of children with Down’s syndrome screened out by termination.
The Don’t Screen Us Out campaign is a grass-roots initiative supported by a collection of people with Down’s syndrome, families and Down Syndrome advocate groups lead by Saving Downs Syndrome. We have come together to highlight the serious concerns around the proposed introduction of second-line cfDNA screening in the UK and are calling on the government to delay the introduction of the proposal until appropriate medical reforms are affected.
For more information visit www.dontscreenusout.org.uk
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Huge fan of both these folks. Huge crush on Sally, I have to admit, and this interview just deepened my appreciation of her career and her life.
I think it's reasonable. I would not carry a down syndrome fetus to term either.
These children are so beautiful ❤
Is there a link to watch the entire documentary? the link in the description does not work
This looks ok kzread.info/dash/bejne/qmVq2amamqauedo.html
Singer is considered a nutcase by a helluva lot of philosophers. Hitler said be good to animals and kill the disabled, before he turned on the Jews.
Well said Sally. Just suppose it was unkind people put outside the circle instead. When Sally comes to power it shall be law to love one another and be kind !
Sally is a beautiful soul.
I wrote a paper on Peter Singer's philosopher around infantacide and abortion, the man is a dangerous lunatic and should be kept clear of any form of government where he could have influence.
Peter Singer will change his mind when he no longer can keep with his own argument.
Wonder what wealth these two have combined? Millions easily. Let them donate 50% of it to those in need. Great
I'm trying to remember the name of the famous anthropologist who, when asked what she thought the first signs of civilisation were, said that she thought the first physical sign was an ancient leg bone that had been broken and re-healed during the lifetime of it's owner. The bone had belonged to one of the first beings to have been identified as human. It meant that , in order to carry on living and not to have either starved or been eaten by wild animals, that person would have been helped out of danger and looked after. They would have been fed and cared for enough to have healed and been able to take part in society again. I agree with that famous anthropologist. We can only call ourselves a civilised society if we care for those who are weaker than ourselves, be that injured, disabled or weak in some other way. The whole group thrives better together than if we start to discriminate.
Frank doesn't look so minging as he used to.He's lost that 'tefal head ' look.
Can we figure out the gene that makes the BBC journalism staff lie for transphobes and wannabe fascists? The ableism in the US and the UK and Canada is just appalling. Sally Phillips is a better person than I am to be even able to talk to people who want her child dead. Parents of children with disabilities see the worst of people all the time, it is difficult to not become cynical.
We might decide that Singer has no right to life if we decide that he doesn't benefit society
Stumbled across this, Peter Singer is looking pretty old now, recon he’s out lived any usefulness…………. Carding for those less fortunate is what sets us apart from the animals……
How many meat eaters here condemning Singer? I think we should know.
Godwin’s Law?
The word ‘Compassion’ means to ‘suffer with’…that is the reason why the injured lifeless body is dragged through the desert? The ending of a life either through abortion or euthanasia is not compassion it is the antithesis of compassion.
Bore off the both of you. No ones killing your children.
He is just following Nazi ideals. Peter Singer is just an arrogant ignorant Neo Naz. Singer wears glasses should he be a non person and exterminated how far do you go on this issue.
The whole germanic aryan race mythology was fundamentally flawed right from the outset, try & think of it like this, you have a bunch of cats, a siamese, a berman, a persian, a burmeese, a abbysinian, & a tabby - which one will be the most genetically resilient & the strongest of them all, of course it will be the mongrel the tabby, there is your answer to the final solution!.
Sally, just a joy!
And most of us feel compassion Frank.
My nephew was born with Muscular Dystrophy, diagnosed at 10 and died after 13 years of horror for him and all the family. So, would I screen and abort if MD found and save years of misery, fear and grief? Absolutely yes. Did I think this in my 20's when expecting our first child? No. (Just shows how ignorant we are when younger)
When I was at Westbourne Road , Birmingham Polytechnic in the late 1970s, Iour Psychology lecturer was Rex Brinkworth. He was one of the first people to object to the term Mongol for children with Down's Syndrome. We met with him and supported him in his work fundraising etc. There is absolutely no reason why these children ,with the the appropriate stimulus, should not lead an interesting fruitful life. It is worring for us all that there are people out there who think they have the right to choose who lives or dies. Ray Hancock
And do you have a Down Syndrome child or sibling?
I love Sally Phillips. Peter Singer is Australian and like many aussies is a cunt. Its in their DNA.
Well there are laws. And they arise from people's reactions to atrocities. Singer wouldn't last many months in a society that is less civilized.
Sally is a lovely, delightful woman.❤
The point that if we did away with the severely disabled there would be more funding/resources for everyone is bollocks. They will just give more tax breaks for the rich, and fund contracts from quango companies that bribes the politicians with party donations. The powerful only look after themselves. A better argument is to do away with the super rich and give their resources to public services and infrastructure investments.
I remember how the inclusion of a Down's child in my daughter's primary school class raised the kindness levels of the whole group.
They're such a loving people. There's something so beautiful in their inclusive and accepting nature.
I think it is a shame that Singer's questionable views on human quality of life taint his thought provoking views on how we treat animals.
I watched “World Without Downs”, SF’s documentary. I can’t recommend it enough. It’s so moving and beautiful. What shines through is the intrinsic value of the human spirit that has nothing to do with an individuals ability to earn money or compete in some reductionist Darwinian nightmare future dystopia.
Peter Singer is a very scary man who would have been very comfortable in the 3rd Reich. It’s his humanity that appears to me to be compromised. As Sally says, “It makes a kind of sense until you’re the person being put outside the circle.” Of course, that’s the spirit of Fascism.
When the BBC can admit that white men aren't inherently evil this might make sense. Till then F*ck Off
I really appreciated Sally's eloquence here. If we are choosing spare people to eat, Singer is on my list.
Where did Peter Singer say “kill the disabled”?
I found this video today after Matthew Parris being all over the internet describing a chilling future where euthanasia will be made more available than care, especially for those who can’t afford care. We need more people like Sally.
Matthew Parris is the lowest form of life.
What a really lovely lady.
Frank is funny, intelligent, not patronising and listens to his guest.
I've worked with many Special Needs kids and adults and despite being measured with a "genius level" IQ, but with decades long severe depression, myself? I've often found myself thinking I'd switch places with someone with Downs because I'm far less able to enjoy life. But if offered the chance to switch I would never do it because I wouldn't want to burden such sweet people with this.
If you haven't got love you have nothing.❤
Well said Frank it is about love. Life is nothing without it. ❤
Jeremy Bentham v Immanuel Kant. Like Frank and Sally, I’m on the side of Kant.
Society should support these families.....goodness knows, we spend enough on criminals and we cannot ever predict which children will become criminals.
What a lovely person Sally is, creative, sensitive, and v.funny.
She is beautiful inside and out.
Anyone interested in this episode would do well to read Eva Feder Kittay (if they haven't already) who, as a philosopher and a mother of a cognitively impaired daughter, picks up the gauntlet thrown down by Singer on this. She argues, quite rightly, that the science of Singers arguement is corrupted as he is ignorant about the subject he uses as a comparative example. He uses a stereotype or cipher of a 'disabled person' to stand in for an actual 'disabled person'. He doesn't have any idea (or desire to know) what the actual capacities are of people with disabilities, but presumes based on descriminatory, dismissive and false presumptions of how society sees the disabled. He might be trying to raise the estimation of animals in humans eyes by comparison but in doing so, perpetuates the social devaluation of disability in the same way that people use racism to dehumaize people of colour. There is no difference. Both are, ironically pig ignorant, although I'm sure Singer would be offended about what that says about pigs.
(Pardon the spelling of discriminatory and argument)
Kittay's essay is titled: The personal is philosophical is political: A philosopher and mother of a cognitively disabled person sends notes from the battlefield (2009). Highly recommend
You talk a lot of incohesive leftist nonsense. Just that language you use alone makes me disgusted with your leftist views.
It’s almost on the level of Eugenics, I think it is horrific. Utilitarianism is an in-human, relatively modern form of philosophy. We only succeeded as a species because of our empathy.
Sally, you speak my heart and values. Thank you for sharing this @ Don’t S teen Us Out
Lovely Sally Phillips. 🥰
i really love frank skinner, love him on podcasts and as an interviewer and interviewee