Global cause it not to wanna turn on It.Got wet in the rain and after that it did not want to turn on
@AidanMallon-hh2wj11 күн бұрын
How do you rate the pap tinox. Currently have an older model pap and looking for an upgrade. Trying to decide between new pap or maverick.
@JustOutHereTinkering11 күн бұрын
Pap is great. It holds up better to a topple better in my opinion, disassembles way way easier, is much cheaper to replace a busted net or busted hoop section. Also has an airbag to protect you from butt landings. Good unit for sure
@AidanMallon-hh2wj11 күн бұрын
Yeah had thought of these reasons also. In close I think it's a finer built unit. Thanks for your reply and keep up the good content 👍
@aws_hamza15 күн бұрын
Any tips for others that want to self-train?
@JustOutHereTinkering15 күн бұрын
Spend time watching a lot of videos, spend a lot of time kiting, and make sure you already have a pretty good knowledge base in aviation. Also find a large wide open place to fly from.
@FlyLokietekАй бұрын
Hej, dzięki Twojemu filmowi udało mi się ustawić gaźnik! wielkie dzięki. Before:kzread.infoo0VSj4YjIO4 after:kzread.info/dash/bejne/m3qKmtJsedmqZtY.html
@JustOutHereTinkeringАй бұрын
Glad I could help!!!
@JohnnyFaberАй бұрын
This is what Anthony Vella's crash video would have looked like if he had a safe cushion of altitude.
@TONYPARAMOTORАй бұрын
hi. just wondering how long have you been flying paramotor? from your wing experience what wings have you flown? what is your wing you fly .. now? ill just check your site out now.hmm less then 2 years flying experience. please check my site out.🙃
@JustOutHereTinkeringАй бұрын
I've flown a lot of wings, more than I can list. My current wings I fly are the 18m Gin Carve and the 20m Falcon 2. I have others but those are my current wings I'm flying. And ya I've been flying about 2 years
@lobbyrobby2 ай бұрын
So the title goes this wing tried to kill me yet when shit goes wrong all you say is bad idea, bad idea, bad idea??? I believe we know who's at fault here. Thumbs down
@fbrummitt2 ай бұрын
I'm selling my Scout Carbon One with factory R to buy a PAP. I'm so excited to get it
@JustOutHereTinkering2 ай бұрын
I think you are going to love it
@SMarti0182 ай бұрын
Looks like You were pulling right brake. You were in a right turn the whole time as your glider was turning to the right while applying bar. In theory a reflex glider becomes more collapse resistant when accelerated, not less. I doubt it was the weather. Hands off those brakes brotha.
@M12ike2 ай бұрын
never underestimate humane stupidity...
@Jay-ParaOz2 ай бұрын
Getting more power higher RPM wears the motor quicker, it’s sort of taking it as far lean as possible. At least if you’re not doing competitions is it really necessary to go to max lean? To make engine last longer running smooth as possible closest to rich side wouldn’t that be healthier for the engine not worrying about RPM’s so much?
@JustOutHereTinkering2 ай бұрын
If you can not cleanly get to full rpm (which is a range between 8700 and 9000) then you are going to build up carbon and cause issues with your motor. I'm not telling you to go full lean, my motor revving to 8700rpm is the richer side of the safe range. There are pilots running 9200rpm and that's dangerous. The spark plug should be a nice coffee brown. If it's way too rich it's not good. If it's too lean it's not good. Need to be adjusted properly! It's also about having a smooth power band. If you are too rich your RPM will jump 1000-3000 right when the high jet opens up. This is not good for you flying because you have no control of your power application, and it's not good for your motor either....
@parajerry2 ай бұрын
May I ask where you got the adjustment tool seen at 7:31? I searched Amazon for something similar without luck.
@parajerry2 ай бұрын
I see, it's just a straight piece thru the hole. It looked like a small tool you slip over the adjustment screw with a bar to facilitate turning. Due to the very limited space, I may have to design such a tool. A 3D printed small tool for adjustment would weigh nothing and could fly in the storage pocket so you always have it with you.
@JustOutHereTinkering2 ай бұрын
Ya that's just something that was already part of my carburetor. Some have them, some don't and idk why.
@parajerry2 ай бұрын
I want to know why the adjustment they don't want you to touch is the long adjustment screw and the low jet, which you need to adjust when changing LZ altitudes or seasonal pressure changes, is short? Seems like they should be the other way. Fortunately, my motor is running perfectly with just a small low jet adjustment.
@JustOutHereTinkering2 ай бұрын
I point to each adjuster with a large red arrow in the 1st 2 mins of the video showing you which is which. Low jet (short one) will be your primary adjustment for changes in altitude or weather
@shaneross74282 ай бұрын
Glad you had the altitude and made it through alive
@parajerry3 ай бұрын
Ozone wings manual specifically warn against applying brakes while using speedbar. Recommend you use the C-riser instead because too much brake will cause a collapse while using the speedbar. I can't tell in the video, but it looks like you pulled right brake while on speedbar. In slow-mo, your feet are up and you have right brake pulled...plus the speedbar is asymmetric making the problem worse. I think your collapse may be the result of not understanding the specifics of the wing. Based on your comments, I don't think you usually fly Ozone wings and have not learned the manufacturer's recommendations, especially the part on speedbar use. Different wings behave differently and jumping on an unfamilier wing with zero training, research, or browsing the manual and doing advanced things is asking for trouble. In no way was this a failure of the wing. This was the result of operating the wing outside the manufacturer's recommendations.
@TONYPARAMOTOR3 ай бұрын
pilot errors. live and learn or learn and live.
@osmardutour22053 ай бұрын
Hola sabes cuál es la diferencia entre walbro mpe090 to mfr090 ?
@FlyBabyFlyPPG3 ай бұрын
Great video Travis number 2 you look so alike your brother thank you.
@chrisbajema80023 ай бұрын
Was that a motor out or a wouldn’t restart? Sounded like a starter running continuously for a minute at 8:20 seconds into the flight
@JustOutHereTinkering3 ай бұрын
No issues on this flight, not sure what you're hearing but this motor was pull start only and it was running throughout the whole flight in this video
@lam19bo3 ай бұрын
What's that watch you're wearing called, I want one. Also just ordered this wing, gold 24m. Can't wait !
@JustOutHereTinkering3 ай бұрын
Garmin Fortrex 601. And I am sure you will love it!
@kamilhorvat82904 ай бұрын
He didn't even drop the phone he was holding in his hand, therefore the collapse was not as big of deal as he is trying to tell us.
@JustOutHereTinkering4 ай бұрын
Or he just has the grip of a Master!
@roelmattheeussen11174 ай бұрын
Even the expression "hold my phone/beer ... " doesnt apply here. Staying cool as a cucumber with that collapse!
@pablopicasso85026 ай бұрын
What watch do you use?
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
Garmin Foretrex 601
@craigsmythe_4076 ай бұрын
how much do you weigh??
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
All up I'm like 120kg-125kg depending on fuel levels
@alberguti39376 ай бұрын
The title of the video is really wrong. Respectfully, the responsability is on pilot s side, fully. It is an unstable day, very much so, I would expect thermal activity pretty strong, and not very organized at that altitude. I wouldn let go of my brakes for any reason, and therefore know what is happening with the pressure of the wing. If you are not properly trimmed, plus playing with accelerator and phone, is a very good formula for collapse. Did you do the right thing, after collapse? Well you didn t make things worse, but that is about it. Reading yo ur own comments I would suggest a change in attitude, if you want to fly safer. It is a very instructing video, though. At least for many of us. Thanks for that, good luck.
@nice2care6 ай бұрын
What was the vario you were wearing on your wrist?
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
That is the Garmin Foretrex 601
@577buttfan6 ай бұрын
That wing didn't nearly kill you it saved you.
@lam19bo6 ай бұрын
If my weight is 125kg(paramotor, me +10l fuel,what's the best size wing to get ?
@lam19bo6 ай бұрын
I have had a vantage 2 for the past 3 years,would this wing be the next step up ?
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
This might be a bit large of a step up from a Vantage. I would recommend something in between like a Dudek Solo in 22-24m or you could even go to a Luna 2 23m. Maybe a Scirroco / Speedster 22-24m. Even a 22-24m Dudek Nucleon 4 could be good. The Falcon is a step beyond those wings in both speed and agility.
@lam19bo6 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering thanks
@CaptainMedoc6 ай бұрын
Dude, nice video, and thanks for the share ! In my opinion, you were taking too many risks : look at the sky : it's smoking ! ... You can expect strong thermals and turbulence at anytime with tis weather ! And you were flying low (I would say less than 1000 feet), you were flying accelerated, un-trimmed... and with your pone in your left hand, and your right hand out of the toggle ... what could possibly go wrong ? ;) The wing is NOT dangerous... you were taking some risks, and you had a great reaction !
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
No I don't necessarily think the wing is dangerous even though my clickbait title would suggest that. The weather wasn't ideal, I said as much, and the risks I was taking I didn't fully appreciate at the time. I've flown other wings in similar situations doing similar things and had no issue with it but every situation and wing is different. I have made some adjustments to my flying and decision making based on this incident!
@chrisbajema80026 ай бұрын
I like your style and pace. If it feels good, go for it
@andrearossi41506 ай бұрын
do you keep trims fully closed?
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
I always do my acro trims closed. I know all people don't but that's my preference.
@andrearossi41506 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering yep, also me, i set it max at 1
@lobbyrobby7 ай бұрын
This is so beautiful. I gotta get into this sport. I recently did 8 aff skydives. I got into skydiving because I absolutely loved the canopy flight. The jumping out of an airplane part to get there, not quite a fan yet haha.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
Hahaha, ya this would definitely be right up your alley then
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
Just ordered a size up at a similar weight. Should be nice and efficient at 85-90% loading.
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
Yep great fast efficient wing!!! If you got it already how do you like it?
@Kent-pb2jl6 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering I only have two launches and landings on it due to time and weather so I'll need a few hours to really know the difference. Take off is good, comes right up and then wants immediate power and off the ground in 10-15 feet but also had 5-8mph wind. I was concerned about the 2D steering and it being real sensitive, its not. I'm not sure its any more sensitive than my old glider but I really didn't yank the brakes hard either. Landing is where I really saw the biggest change. The flare is much longer and flatter than my other wings. I'd guess the flare is triple the time than an A or beginner/intermediate (RAMAflex) wing. First landing I either stalled out or hit some sink and landed a bit hard but upright. Second landing I flared out lower and longer to land with one or two steps. My other wings are pretty much get close to ground and quickly and aggressively pull brake and you land in just a second. My low battery on my tach seems to have made it inaccurate with RPMs jumping all over the place but to my ears it sounds like maybe 1000RPM lower than my other wing. I did go with a 22m as I didn't want a rocketship that burned more fuel for my daily driver. Hopefully that was the right choice. I would have been at the upper end of the 20m without much to spare.
@JustOutHereTinkering6 ай бұрын
@@Kent-pb2jl yes flare authority is great, and it does want immediate power and you're up very quick. As for agility, I've found the initial reaction of the wing is good but as you pull more you get more in a linear way. Others wings that are more beginner oriented you get some and then it just stops giving you more. You find the limit and it doesn't want to give more. The Falcon just keeps giving if you ask for it.
@Kent-pb2jl6 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering I was concerned it might be too spicy but with initial flights if say it is easier to land and take off than an A glider. It's not like it's going to barrel roll with a little brake input. The jump is much less than I was expecting.
@danosimp37 ай бұрын
Thanks for charting the uncharted.... I have a Nitro 200 that is out of warranty, and it uses the that uses the WB37 also. But I suspect it is jetted differnetly for the Vitto. When looking through the manual, it stated "Max Thrust at 7500 RPM". My tach would only read 6500 rpm. So I decided to follow your lead and adjust my H screw. I got it to 7450rpm and called it a day. A note to other viewers: I spent a good 30 minutes making H screw adjustments that turned out to be way too big (5 minutes in a clock face). I finally making the most minute adjustments, tiny bumps, like a degree. So be subtle.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
Glad I could help you out brother!
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
What do you mean that you'd buy it as your 3rd or 4th wing? Too advanced for a second wing?
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
In a lot of cases yes. But that's definitely dependent on a few things. What was your first wing, and what size was that wing in? How long have you had it, what's your experience level, (you have to be honest with yourself here) what is your aptitude for flying and how quickly and easily are you picking things up. If you have 20hrs on a mojo, it's a 3rd wing at least. If you have 20hrs on a giant 28m spyder or something, probably same answer. But if you have hours on a dudek solo, done a 2d tie in, flew it 50+ hrs and you learned quickly and feel very comfortable then you could maybe make it a 2nd wing. It's a jump but it could be done, especially in a bigger size. But really recommend 3rd wing... Nuc 4 or XX, Luna 2, those are much better 2nd wings IMHO
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering 100+ hours on a size small Ramaflex over the limit a little.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
@Kent-pb2jl I don't really know where those wings fall on the scale of things but that's also only 1 of the questions asked. But the falcon isn't difficult to fly it just comes up above you 100x faster than an A wing, can get out of shape easier on launching and landing, and requires lighter hands and lighter pressure turning while you also get 10x the reaction from your inputs... Lastly and most importantly you almost can't stall an A wing. Bury the brakes on launch it doesn't care. You can't do that on this class of wing, it will stall and you can get hurt. in the end it's up to you if you think you're ready or not. I couldn't tell you unless I flew with you all the time and knew your experience level first hand
@user-wo6zt1hf9q7 ай бұрын
If you want to go fast, get an airplane. Paragliding is for slow flying. I think you are idiotic for trying to fly at the speed limit of a piece of cloth holding you up. If you had been at 800 ft, you'd be dead.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
This is not paragliding..... and your argument is simply crap any way you look at it... that's a really dumb suggestion, thanks.
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
So you are right up near the limit for a 20m. I had my mind set on an Apco F3 but now I'm looking at the Falcon 2. Have you flown the F3? This wing is pretty fast with fairly low RPM.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
I have not flown the Apco. The Falcon is very fast and very efficient.
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
Any idea what the most efficient (low RPM) wing you've flown? I'm in the market for an intermediate+ wing and there are just so many options with limited info.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
Ohhh... well, the Flow RPM is very very efficient. I can't directly attest to the XC version but it should alleviate most of the things I didn't like while still being very efficient and fast. The Gin Falcon is quite efficient as well. The Viper XC is also very efficient. But it's not quite that simple because the liftiest wing I have flown was the Spyder 3 in a size way too big for me. It was super low rpm but it's slow and floaty so. Any of the wings I mentioned are efficient, as is the Niviuk Qubik, the Warp is also very efficient but it has its list of down sides... The Falcon is more efficient than the Nucleon 4 but they aren't super far off and the Nuc is more chill. The Viper XC I have a mixed relationship with as you might be aware.... I love my Falcon personally. It's my favorite wing.
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering Thanks. Do you think the Falcon 2 is the best all around for stable and efficiency? Prefer speed and XC more than being super agile.
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
@Kent-pb2jl so it's the fastest wing I own. I have a 20m falcon 2 and it's faster than my 18m warp, it's faster than the 18m Flow RPM2, it's faster than the 22m Nuc. Stability is on par with Nuc and above the Warp and RPM2. The efficiency is slightly better on the Warp and Flow RPM2 but that's due to a very high aspect ratio. But it's better than the Nuc for efficiency. Agility the Falcon and Warp are the 2 highest, followed by RPM and then Nuc last. I feel like the Falcon is the best of all worlds for me
@Kent-pb2jl7 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkering No RPM testing on the 20m RPM2?
@JustOutHereTinkering7 ай бұрын
@@Kent-pb2jl No I didn't do a full review on that wing
@cookiecanfly_8 ай бұрын
Hell yeah man! Would love to see what you think of the 20m Kougar3🤙
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
I'd like to fly one, haven't had the opportunity yet!
@CoyoteOne8 ай бұрын
Whats your all up on the 22m in this video? I may have missed it. Im 122kg foot launch all up and I have a 22m Nuc4 on the way.
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
120kg
@thebujster8 ай бұрын
What size bearings did you use for the buckos fork? What is the stock bearing size? So the stock one is a straight tube? What's the advantage of going to tapered vs keeping it straight as the buckos comes in a straight setting too?
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
So if you plan on going with a new fork, and it has the option of a straight steerer tube I would go with that. Higher end forks are all tapered and most are not available in straight steerer. The taper does offer some additional strength but honestly that's not a huge concern in the grand scheme. I only went tapered on the bucklos because I had plans to go further to a RockShox fork that was tapered. As for specs I show you all the sizing needed in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJqkk8iMaNmWoLQ.htmlsi=fj7hkNhbjZEORpeH
@thebujster8 ай бұрын
@@JustOutHereTinkeringThanks for the response! Do you think it's worth keeping the stock fork and just replacing the bearings with closed bearings? I was able to get this bike on sale for 400$ and can't decide if I should spend ~100-125$ to upgrade it to the bucklos with new bearings. That'll essentially be like 25% of bike costs haha! I'm not using it to ride any trails, but rather just commuting short distances here and there on smooth roads.
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
@@thebujster if you aren't going to be using the suspension off road then the stock fork is perfectly suitable. It will work offroad just not as well, but on road the only difference is weight and with electric, not a huge deal.
@50statesjake998 ай бұрын
We do not recommend releasing the trimmers beyond the red line whilst using the accelerator system. This is in the Manual for the Ozone Viper XC
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
My email is [email protected]. feel free to email a screenshot of that to me as I read that entire section and never saw it say anything of the sort. Of course that was 6 months ago so maybe they updated the manual
@50statesjake998 ай бұрын
I read the manual and doesn’t Ozone recommend against flying past the red line if you have a speedbar engaged?
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
Not from what I read, it says maximum speed is achieved at the red line with speedbar active and brakes shouldn't be used past that red line, but it says speedbar can be used at any point in the trim range.
@lifelineparamotor20238 ай бұрын
My Mac para Colorado has 2d steering and a separate tst toggle as well.
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
Good to know!
@dgods948 ай бұрын
Still have the Luna?
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
Nope I sold the Luna a few months ago. Current lineup is 18m Gin Carve, 18m Dudek Warp, 20m Gin Falcon, and 22m Dudek Nucleon XX.
@dgods944 ай бұрын
Hope you are still making content I keep checking in @@JustOutHereTinkering
@dgods9428 күн бұрын
Are you still flying? Hope you are well and I enjoy your content. Your review of the Luna to was a huge help to me in deciding to purchase it, I lost count of how many times I watched both videos. Thanks again!
@frenchfry47928 ай бұрын
Which throttle did you go to? I had the same issues as you accidentally hitting the kill switch on my new Pap. I stuck about a half inch of PVC pipe over The end to be flush with the kill switch that seems to solve that problem for me for no dollars. Also I ground off about an inch of that throttle lever that was driving me crazy.
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
I did something similar initially. I cut the throttle down to be 2 finger only and I put a silicon cap on to make it harder to hit. But I ended up going to the Iris No BS throttle and after making a small modification it works perfectly!
@caleholder39648 ай бұрын
Is it possible your speed bar was pulling past the pulleys . Did you check the length before pushing ? I’ve had something similar but worse ( got twisted in the lines happen to me . Same sit pushing speed bar while trimmed out but this wing wasn’t designed for that but instructor said it was . Anyway scary stuff
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
This was a demo wing and I promptly returned it when I landed. I'm not sure but I think it went out for more demos after I flew it so I don't think it had any issue at all but don't really know!
@SharkyintheSky8 ай бұрын
Seems at the time of your collapse you were not on full speedbar. Do you think if you were still heavily loaded on full speedbar that could have prevented the collapse. I've flown in gnarly conditions full trim out and on full speed bar on my Dudek Driftair 22 and was able to fly through rougher air than what you are showing here. When full reflex is used the rigid leading edge is very difficult to collapse when rising air turbulence hits the wing. I can't say how turbulence coming down onto the wing from above might affect it, but I'd guess that's gonna be easier to collapse because a downward push + plus gravity seems like a combo punch!
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
Yes i was barely starting to apply speedbar. I don't know if being fully on the speedbar already would have made it better. There's a chance I pulled a small amount of brake but the brake pressures are heavy. There are 2 things I know about Ozone wings.. Heavy brake pressures and they lean towards better collapse recovery as opposed to collapse resistance. With heavy brake pressures I know I didn't pull brake "hard or far" but might have put some pressure on it. As for the recovery, the wing recovered well considering the circumstances i think but I'd have preferred not taking the collapse in the first place.
@cookiecanfly_8 ай бұрын
Bro have you had the chance to fly the XC yet?
@JustOutHereTinkering8 ай бұрын
Nope. Was supposed to get a demo a long time ago, I've asked twice and never got it, guy went silent and I haven't wanted to chase it down again if I'm honest...
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Global cause it not to wanna turn on It.Got wet in the rain and after that it did not want to turn on
How do you rate the pap tinox. Currently have an older model pap and looking for an upgrade. Trying to decide between new pap or maverick.
Pap is great. It holds up better to a topple better in my opinion, disassembles way way easier, is much cheaper to replace a busted net or busted hoop section. Also has an airbag to protect you from butt landings. Good unit for sure
Yeah had thought of these reasons also. In close I think it's a finer built unit. Thanks for your reply and keep up the good content 👍
Any tips for others that want to self-train?
Spend time watching a lot of videos, spend a lot of time kiting, and make sure you already have a pretty good knowledge base in aviation. Also find a large wide open place to fly from.
Hej, dzięki Twojemu filmowi udało mi się ustawić gaźnik! wielkie dzięki. Before:kzread.infoo0VSj4YjIO4 after:kzread.info/dash/bejne/m3qKmtJsedmqZtY.html
Glad I could help!!!
This is what Anthony Vella's crash video would have looked like if he had a safe cushion of altitude.
hi. just wondering how long have you been flying paramotor? from your wing experience what wings have you flown? what is your wing you fly .. now? ill just check your site out now.hmm less then 2 years flying experience. please check my site out.🙃
I've flown a lot of wings, more than I can list. My current wings I fly are the 18m Gin Carve and the 20m Falcon 2. I have others but those are my current wings I'm flying. And ya I've been flying about 2 years
So the title goes this wing tried to kill me yet when shit goes wrong all you say is bad idea, bad idea, bad idea??? I believe we know who's at fault here. Thumbs down
I'm selling my Scout Carbon One with factory R to buy a PAP. I'm so excited to get it
I think you are going to love it
Looks like You were pulling right brake. You were in a right turn the whole time as your glider was turning to the right while applying bar. In theory a reflex glider becomes more collapse resistant when accelerated, not less. I doubt it was the weather. Hands off those brakes brotha.
never underestimate humane stupidity...
Getting more power higher RPM wears the motor quicker, it’s sort of taking it as far lean as possible. At least if you’re not doing competitions is it really necessary to go to max lean? To make engine last longer running smooth as possible closest to rich side wouldn’t that be healthier for the engine not worrying about RPM’s so much?
If you can not cleanly get to full rpm (which is a range between 8700 and 9000) then you are going to build up carbon and cause issues with your motor. I'm not telling you to go full lean, my motor revving to 8700rpm is the richer side of the safe range. There are pilots running 9200rpm and that's dangerous. The spark plug should be a nice coffee brown. If it's way too rich it's not good. If it's too lean it's not good. Need to be adjusted properly! It's also about having a smooth power band. If you are too rich your RPM will jump 1000-3000 right when the high jet opens up. This is not good for you flying because you have no control of your power application, and it's not good for your motor either....
May I ask where you got the adjustment tool seen at 7:31? I searched Amazon for something similar without luck.
I see, it's just a straight piece thru the hole. It looked like a small tool you slip over the adjustment screw with a bar to facilitate turning. Due to the very limited space, I may have to design such a tool. A 3D printed small tool for adjustment would weigh nothing and could fly in the storage pocket so you always have it with you.
Ya that's just something that was already part of my carburetor. Some have them, some don't and idk why.
I want to know why the adjustment they don't want you to touch is the long adjustment screw and the low jet, which you need to adjust when changing LZ altitudes or seasonal pressure changes, is short? Seems like they should be the other way. Fortunately, my motor is running perfectly with just a small low jet adjustment.
I point to each adjuster with a large red arrow in the 1st 2 mins of the video showing you which is which. Low jet (short one) will be your primary adjustment for changes in altitude or weather
Glad you had the altitude and made it through alive
Ozone wings manual specifically warn against applying brakes while using speedbar. Recommend you use the C-riser instead because too much brake will cause a collapse while using the speedbar. I can't tell in the video, but it looks like you pulled right brake while on speedbar. In slow-mo, your feet are up and you have right brake pulled...plus the speedbar is asymmetric making the problem worse. I think your collapse may be the result of not understanding the specifics of the wing. Based on your comments, I don't think you usually fly Ozone wings and have not learned the manufacturer's recommendations, especially the part on speedbar use. Different wings behave differently and jumping on an unfamilier wing with zero training, research, or browsing the manual and doing advanced things is asking for trouble. In no way was this a failure of the wing. This was the result of operating the wing outside the manufacturer's recommendations.
pilot errors. live and learn or learn and live.
Hola sabes cuál es la diferencia entre walbro mpe090 to mfr090 ?
Great video Travis number 2 you look so alike your brother thank you.
Was that a motor out or a wouldn’t restart? Sounded like a starter running continuously for a minute at 8:20 seconds into the flight
No issues on this flight, not sure what you're hearing but this motor was pull start only and it was running throughout the whole flight in this video
What's that watch you're wearing called, I want one. Also just ordered this wing, gold 24m. Can't wait !
Garmin Fortrex 601. And I am sure you will love it!
He didn't even drop the phone he was holding in his hand, therefore the collapse was not as big of deal as he is trying to tell us.
Or he just has the grip of a Master!
Even the expression "hold my phone/beer ... " doesnt apply here. Staying cool as a cucumber with that collapse!
What watch do you use?
Garmin Foretrex 601
how much do you weigh??
All up I'm like 120kg-125kg depending on fuel levels
The title of the video is really wrong. Respectfully, the responsability is on pilot s side, fully. It is an unstable day, very much so, I would expect thermal activity pretty strong, and not very organized at that altitude. I wouldn let go of my brakes for any reason, and therefore know what is happening with the pressure of the wing. If you are not properly trimmed, plus playing with accelerator and phone, is a very good formula for collapse. Did you do the right thing, after collapse? Well you didn t make things worse, but that is about it. Reading yo ur own comments I would suggest a change in attitude, if you want to fly safer. It is a very instructing video, though. At least for many of us. Thanks for that, good luck.
What was the vario you were wearing on your wrist?
That is the Garmin Foretrex 601
That wing didn't nearly kill you it saved you.
If my weight is 125kg(paramotor, me +10l fuel,what's the best size wing to get ?
I have had a vantage 2 for the past 3 years,would this wing be the next step up ?
This might be a bit large of a step up from a Vantage. I would recommend something in between like a Dudek Solo in 22-24m or you could even go to a Luna 2 23m. Maybe a Scirroco / Speedster 22-24m. Even a 22-24m Dudek Nucleon 4 could be good. The Falcon is a step beyond those wings in both speed and agility.
@@JustOutHereTinkering thanks
Dude, nice video, and thanks for the share ! In my opinion, you were taking too many risks : look at the sky : it's smoking ! ... You can expect strong thermals and turbulence at anytime with tis weather ! And you were flying low (I would say less than 1000 feet), you were flying accelerated, un-trimmed... and with your pone in your left hand, and your right hand out of the toggle ... what could possibly go wrong ? ;) The wing is NOT dangerous... you were taking some risks, and you had a great reaction !
No I don't necessarily think the wing is dangerous even though my clickbait title would suggest that. The weather wasn't ideal, I said as much, and the risks I was taking I didn't fully appreciate at the time. I've flown other wings in similar situations doing similar things and had no issue with it but every situation and wing is different. I have made some adjustments to my flying and decision making based on this incident!
I like your style and pace. If it feels good, go for it
do you keep trims fully closed?
I always do my acro trims closed. I know all people don't but that's my preference.
@@JustOutHereTinkering yep, also me, i set it max at 1
This is so beautiful. I gotta get into this sport. I recently did 8 aff skydives. I got into skydiving because I absolutely loved the canopy flight. The jumping out of an airplane part to get there, not quite a fan yet haha.
Hahaha, ya this would definitely be right up your alley then
Just ordered a size up at a similar weight. Should be nice and efficient at 85-90% loading.
Yep great fast efficient wing!!! If you got it already how do you like it?
@@JustOutHereTinkering I only have two launches and landings on it due to time and weather so I'll need a few hours to really know the difference. Take off is good, comes right up and then wants immediate power and off the ground in 10-15 feet but also had 5-8mph wind. I was concerned about the 2D steering and it being real sensitive, its not. I'm not sure its any more sensitive than my old glider but I really didn't yank the brakes hard either. Landing is where I really saw the biggest change. The flare is much longer and flatter than my other wings. I'd guess the flare is triple the time than an A or beginner/intermediate (RAMAflex) wing. First landing I either stalled out or hit some sink and landed a bit hard but upright. Second landing I flared out lower and longer to land with one or two steps. My other wings are pretty much get close to ground and quickly and aggressively pull brake and you land in just a second. My low battery on my tach seems to have made it inaccurate with RPMs jumping all over the place but to my ears it sounds like maybe 1000RPM lower than my other wing. I did go with a 22m as I didn't want a rocketship that burned more fuel for my daily driver. Hopefully that was the right choice. I would have been at the upper end of the 20m without much to spare.
@@Kent-pb2jl yes flare authority is great, and it does want immediate power and you're up very quick. As for agility, I've found the initial reaction of the wing is good but as you pull more you get more in a linear way. Others wings that are more beginner oriented you get some and then it just stops giving you more. You find the limit and it doesn't want to give more. The Falcon just keeps giving if you ask for it.
@@JustOutHereTinkering I was concerned it might be too spicy but with initial flights if say it is easier to land and take off than an A glider. It's not like it's going to barrel roll with a little brake input. The jump is much less than I was expecting.
Thanks for charting the uncharted.... I have a Nitro 200 that is out of warranty, and it uses the that uses the WB37 also. But I suspect it is jetted differnetly for the Vitto. When looking through the manual, it stated "Max Thrust at 7500 RPM". My tach would only read 6500 rpm. So I decided to follow your lead and adjust my H screw. I got it to 7450rpm and called it a day. A note to other viewers: I spent a good 30 minutes making H screw adjustments that turned out to be way too big (5 minutes in a clock face). I finally making the most minute adjustments, tiny bumps, like a degree. So be subtle.
Glad I could help you out brother!
What do you mean that you'd buy it as your 3rd or 4th wing? Too advanced for a second wing?
In a lot of cases yes. But that's definitely dependent on a few things. What was your first wing, and what size was that wing in? How long have you had it, what's your experience level, (you have to be honest with yourself here) what is your aptitude for flying and how quickly and easily are you picking things up. If you have 20hrs on a mojo, it's a 3rd wing at least. If you have 20hrs on a giant 28m spyder or something, probably same answer. But if you have hours on a dudek solo, done a 2d tie in, flew it 50+ hrs and you learned quickly and feel very comfortable then you could maybe make it a 2nd wing. It's a jump but it could be done, especially in a bigger size. But really recommend 3rd wing... Nuc 4 or XX, Luna 2, those are much better 2nd wings IMHO
@@JustOutHereTinkering 100+ hours on a size small Ramaflex over the limit a little.
@Kent-pb2jl I don't really know where those wings fall on the scale of things but that's also only 1 of the questions asked. But the falcon isn't difficult to fly it just comes up above you 100x faster than an A wing, can get out of shape easier on launching and landing, and requires lighter hands and lighter pressure turning while you also get 10x the reaction from your inputs... Lastly and most importantly you almost can't stall an A wing. Bury the brakes on launch it doesn't care. You can't do that on this class of wing, it will stall and you can get hurt. in the end it's up to you if you think you're ready or not. I couldn't tell you unless I flew with you all the time and knew your experience level first hand
If you want to go fast, get an airplane. Paragliding is for slow flying. I think you are idiotic for trying to fly at the speed limit of a piece of cloth holding you up. If you had been at 800 ft, you'd be dead.
This is not paragliding..... and your argument is simply crap any way you look at it... that's a really dumb suggestion, thanks.
So you are right up near the limit for a 20m. I had my mind set on an Apco F3 but now I'm looking at the Falcon 2. Have you flown the F3? This wing is pretty fast with fairly low RPM.
I have not flown the Apco. The Falcon is very fast and very efficient.
Any idea what the most efficient (low RPM) wing you've flown? I'm in the market for an intermediate+ wing and there are just so many options with limited info.
Ohhh... well, the Flow RPM is very very efficient. I can't directly attest to the XC version but it should alleviate most of the things I didn't like while still being very efficient and fast. The Gin Falcon is quite efficient as well. The Viper XC is also very efficient. But it's not quite that simple because the liftiest wing I have flown was the Spyder 3 in a size way too big for me. It was super low rpm but it's slow and floaty so. Any of the wings I mentioned are efficient, as is the Niviuk Qubik, the Warp is also very efficient but it has its list of down sides... The Falcon is more efficient than the Nucleon 4 but they aren't super far off and the Nuc is more chill. The Viper XC I have a mixed relationship with as you might be aware.... I love my Falcon personally. It's my favorite wing.
@@JustOutHereTinkering Thanks. Do you think the Falcon 2 is the best all around for stable and efficiency? Prefer speed and XC more than being super agile.
@Kent-pb2jl so it's the fastest wing I own. I have a 20m falcon 2 and it's faster than my 18m warp, it's faster than the 18m Flow RPM2, it's faster than the 22m Nuc. Stability is on par with Nuc and above the Warp and RPM2. The efficiency is slightly better on the Warp and Flow RPM2 but that's due to a very high aspect ratio. But it's better than the Nuc for efficiency. Agility the Falcon and Warp are the 2 highest, followed by RPM and then Nuc last. I feel like the Falcon is the best of all worlds for me
@@JustOutHereTinkering No RPM testing on the 20m RPM2?
@@Kent-pb2jl No I didn't do a full review on that wing
Hell yeah man! Would love to see what you think of the 20m Kougar3🤙
I'd like to fly one, haven't had the opportunity yet!
Whats your all up on the 22m in this video? I may have missed it. Im 122kg foot launch all up and I have a 22m Nuc4 on the way.
120kg
What size bearings did you use for the buckos fork? What is the stock bearing size? So the stock one is a straight tube? What's the advantage of going to tapered vs keeping it straight as the buckos comes in a straight setting too?
So if you plan on going with a new fork, and it has the option of a straight steerer tube I would go with that. Higher end forks are all tapered and most are not available in straight steerer. The taper does offer some additional strength but honestly that's not a huge concern in the grand scheme. I only went tapered on the bucklos because I had plans to go further to a RockShox fork that was tapered. As for specs I show you all the sizing needed in this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJqkk8iMaNmWoLQ.htmlsi=fj7hkNhbjZEORpeH
@@JustOutHereTinkeringThanks for the response! Do you think it's worth keeping the stock fork and just replacing the bearings with closed bearings? I was able to get this bike on sale for 400$ and can't decide if I should spend ~100-125$ to upgrade it to the bucklos with new bearings. That'll essentially be like 25% of bike costs haha! I'm not using it to ride any trails, but rather just commuting short distances here and there on smooth roads.
@@thebujster if you aren't going to be using the suspension off road then the stock fork is perfectly suitable. It will work offroad just not as well, but on road the only difference is weight and with electric, not a huge deal.
We do not recommend releasing the trimmers beyond the red line whilst using the accelerator system. This is in the Manual for the Ozone Viper XC
My email is [email protected]. feel free to email a screenshot of that to me as I read that entire section and never saw it say anything of the sort. Of course that was 6 months ago so maybe they updated the manual
I read the manual and doesn’t Ozone recommend against flying past the red line if you have a speedbar engaged?
Not from what I read, it says maximum speed is achieved at the red line with speedbar active and brakes shouldn't be used past that red line, but it says speedbar can be used at any point in the trim range.
My Mac para Colorado has 2d steering and a separate tst toggle as well.
Good to know!
Still have the Luna?
Nope I sold the Luna a few months ago. Current lineup is 18m Gin Carve, 18m Dudek Warp, 20m Gin Falcon, and 22m Dudek Nucleon XX.
Hope you are still making content I keep checking in @@JustOutHereTinkering
Are you still flying? Hope you are well and I enjoy your content. Your review of the Luna to was a huge help to me in deciding to purchase it, I lost count of how many times I watched both videos. Thanks again!
Which throttle did you go to? I had the same issues as you accidentally hitting the kill switch on my new Pap. I stuck about a half inch of PVC pipe over The end to be flush with the kill switch that seems to solve that problem for me for no dollars. Also I ground off about an inch of that throttle lever that was driving me crazy.
I did something similar initially. I cut the throttle down to be 2 finger only and I put a silicon cap on to make it harder to hit. But I ended up going to the Iris No BS throttle and after making a small modification it works perfectly!
Is it possible your speed bar was pulling past the pulleys . Did you check the length before pushing ? I’ve had something similar but worse ( got twisted in the lines happen to me . Same sit pushing speed bar while trimmed out but this wing wasn’t designed for that but instructor said it was . Anyway scary stuff
This was a demo wing and I promptly returned it when I landed. I'm not sure but I think it went out for more demos after I flew it so I don't think it had any issue at all but don't really know!
Seems at the time of your collapse you were not on full speedbar. Do you think if you were still heavily loaded on full speedbar that could have prevented the collapse. I've flown in gnarly conditions full trim out and on full speed bar on my Dudek Driftair 22 and was able to fly through rougher air than what you are showing here. When full reflex is used the rigid leading edge is very difficult to collapse when rising air turbulence hits the wing. I can't say how turbulence coming down onto the wing from above might affect it, but I'd guess that's gonna be easier to collapse because a downward push + plus gravity seems like a combo punch!
Yes i was barely starting to apply speedbar. I don't know if being fully on the speedbar already would have made it better. There's a chance I pulled a small amount of brake but the brake pressures are heavy. There are 2 things I know about Ozone wings.. Heavy brake pressures and they lean towards better collapse recovery as opposed to collapse resistance. With heavy brake pressures I know I didn't pull brake "hard or far" but might have put some pressure on it. As for the recovery, the wing recovered well considering the circumstances i think but I'd have preferred not taking the collapse in the first place.
Bro have you had the chance to fly the XC yet?
Nope. Was supposed to get a demo a long time ago, I've asked twice and never got it, guy went silent and I haven't wanted to chase it down again if I'm honest...