Hello, everyone! I'm Demented Kirby and welcome to my channel, The Commander Tavern. The Commander Tavern is a channel dedicated to my favorite Magic: the Gathering format.
The channel contains several series covering various topics of Commander: The Brewery provides in-depth deck techs where I discuss each card in detail - all 100 of them; The Stage is a series of game play videos; A Flight is a series of set/product reviews for use in Commander. Barkeep Upkeep is a series with opinions and how-to's.
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Oh so you are making the deck less efficient and more expensive on the mana curves...nice
I literally said that it was how I preferred to build around it (didn't say it was the best way) and I also mentioned that you can build the mana base however you want, whether you want to make it cheaper or more expensive is up to you. A deck's mana base is literally up to the brewer's discretion on how to go about it.
Could you please make a deck tech for Havi, the All-Father. I personally think he is a good commander that deserves more love
No promises!
@@TheCommanderTavern ok
I'm thinking of adding Jolrael Voice of Zhalfir as the backup commander in mine. Having big everything lands birds swinging at my opponents sounds fun.
Ooh! I like it!
Hi, I spent my evening goldfishing the deck and it really has a hard time getting out the blocks. From what I experienced you struggle for lands (and ramp), I never really got stuff in the graveyard (I goldfish to turn 10). Did you test it? I really like the concept but I’m used to much more aggressive self mill and way fewer mulligans.
Yeah, I tested it. The deck is low to the ground so it doesn't need so many lands (most of the early game spells are super cheap). It wants to fill the yard more with looting than self-milling. That being said, that part of the strategy is very flexible, since the main strategy is the unblockable creatures. So you can very easily tailor this to be more to your liking in terms of land count and self-milling.
Personally I think there are a few too many counterspells and wipes. I'd cut a few and add in a few more Templar. Cool deck though! I really like Haytham in the game so it's nice to see a brew!
Thanks! Glad you liked it! The reason it doesn't have so many boardwipes is because it's a creature-based deck. You don't want to wipe the board so often.
I love Thrumming Stone so much I wish more edh decks could use it!
Big same! At least now we finally have a white card in the same vein!
I want to build my own brew of this so bad, but I can’t justify the pre sale price of the templars…
Yeah, that's something you're definitely going to have to wait for until maybe a week after release.
gonna try that out, got the precon and tried to play it with a lot more selfmill (with Hermit Druid) to get Lhurgoyfs to the field.. but compared to the Uldrazi Deck or my friends Decks there is like no way to do early damage to them.. means Disa is kinda useless and not making token.. Lets see if your version can do better xD if not then i take this crappy Deck appart :(
Yeah, same thing happened with me. I found it was too slow. But if you're swinging with small, unblockable creatures, you'll always get early tarmogoyfs. Granted, they might necessarily be huge early on, but they'll definitely get there. And once you're making 3 9/10's per combat, you'll definitely be a threat, lol.
I am simping for Omo, I am going to build multiple decks around this Queen. Helm of the Host is my new favorite artifact.
Same! It's one of my favorite equipment!
I bought this deck because it said graveyard overdrive. I thought it was going to be a total reanimator deck. When I found out it was a lhurgoyf tribal deck I was so disappointed. Today, I saw your video and want to take the precon in the same direction. Thanks!
Nice! Glad it was helpful :) Yeah, I thought the same thing. Disa doesn't really scream reanimator but fortunately those tarmogoyf tokens are no joke!
I like Blade of Selves and Zephyr Boots as equipments that have great synergy with this commander. Blade of Selves to hit all opponents during each of your turns and make 3 Tarmagoyf tokens. Zephyr boots to give a creature flying and discard effect to possibly cheat in a goyf from your hand
Yup! I love Blade of Selves! Definitely a great card to include here.
Does Obyra's ability trigger for each faerie entering the battlefield? So if you play 5 faeries in one turn it triggers 5 times correct?
Correct!
It tool me a whole 3 minutes to realize that after you draft 100 cards, you remove cards into the sideboard to make room for basics. That was confusing me for a bit.
Haha, yeah, it also happens sometimes with regular limited, too :P Gotta always make space for those blasted lands! XD In all seriousness though, that's what you're drafting 20 mana-fixing lands in its own pack because it's inevitable for a handful of your other 60 cards to not fit your commander's color identity. That way you're not just slotting in >30+ basics. You need to be able to play your cards, after all. I found this to be the best way to draft it and ensure everyone has a viable play experience.
I think cankerbloom is a good choice for interaction as it also gives a proliferate option. The muse and flash go well together.consider Alchemists refuge. With the token creation consider adding brudiclad he can turn them all into scion tokens
Nice! All amazing suggestions! Love it!
Finally someone else is taking this angle, I went in the same direction
Great minds think alike ;)
I got this deck to break it up and was looking for ideas for the alternate. Thank you!
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful :)
Do you keep any of the precon cards?
In what sense?
Whoever looked at the Eldrazi and thought that it was a good idea to make them 5 color is a mad lad!
For real! But at least we finally got a viable 5C experience commander XD
I really like how you clearly explain
Thanks! That means a lot :')
@@TheCommanderTavern you’re welcome! I was searching for some help about this precon and your video is one of the most interesting!
Awesome! Glad it was helpful!
I highly doubt this list functions reliably. Not enough ramp. Not enough card draw. Not enough morphs. Tons of convoluted extras and morph pay offs in a deck that again doesn't have morphs. The strongest thing Kadena does is cast a free morph per turn. Only running one card in the entire deck to take advantage of this your opponents turns is a mistake. There is no way that you have any mana to pay morph costs when you have no ramp and when you have this many sorcery speed spells that you are paying for on your turn to attempt to build a board state. I'm questioning if you actually have this deck in paper or if you just ripped cards from EDHrec to make a video.
I literally play this deck in real life (link at end of comment to my actual deck with the actual cards) and have won multiple times with it. I made this video precisely because I have the deck. Granted, I mostly update all my decks with new sets so the deck does have a couple of cards different than the video, for obvious reasons. You don't need every single card printed with morph just because it's a morph deck. Most morph effects are trash, with the best ones being interaction. There're multiple ways of playing face-down creatures without it being via morph, megamorph, or disguise. You can also manifest or have them enter face-down via other methods. www.moxfield.com/decks/qQUTPkJlf0KqOzjB0F4vNg
You don't have to do anything in commander. But the point of a guide channel is to point people towards making good decisions and make functional decks. 17 morphs is way too few unless you're playing a bunch of tutor effects and powerful draw engines that don't revolve around having morphs. You have zero tutors and you aren't playing Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library, or the One Ring (which is fine, I respect decisions to not play these cards, that isn't the point). Your deck lacks win conditions only having printlifter and a beastmaster's ascension. The deck has multiple payoffs for turning things face up, but 49 of the cards in your deck do not get discounted by your commander, so the majority of your mana is going into playing those cards, not turning thing face up. You especially can't afford to turn things up because you are light on ramp and the morphs that you do have in the deck cost on average 4 mana to turn face up. Additionally, you've got a ton of cloak and manifest support in the deck, but only 28 creatures and only 3 non-creatures with a morph cost. Two thirds of the manifests and cloaks are just 2/2 creatures that you can't do anything with even if you did have mana. So you're only real win condition is the beastmaster's ascension.
The best video for Millicent commander deck. Thank's
Wow! I'm so glad you liked it that much! It means a lot! :')
The thirteenth doctor and clara oswald are crazy in this deck.
Very true! Great catch!
I have a few Maze's End wins now
Nice! I love that wincon. I even have it as a wincon in my Marisi, Breaker of the Coil deck.
no tormented soul?
You can definitely run it! That's an easy add.
If your gonna run Maskwood nexus, run realmbreaker! it allows for more land drops and the ability to summon every creature out of your deck for 10 mana 😊
Also run something like surrack and goreclaw that gives everything haste to swing out that turn
Ooh! Realmbreaker, the Invasion Tree would be great here!
For some use of everything counters on opponents creatures there is gor muldrak to give you and all permanents you control protection from salamanders, and dormant sliver if you dont focus on creature typal. Joda's codex is a 5 cost 5 to active with domain, which means free card draw every turn. Prismatic geoscope is a 5 cost mana rock that will tap for 5 of any color combo, and sphinx of clear skys is a fact or fiction every time it hits Deep water will also turn all the mana from cloud post and the tron lands into blue
I considered Gor Muldrak in my initial build but cut it when trimming the deck to 100 cards. Along that same vein I considered Hungry Lynx for the same reason. Domain is super strong in this deck and I also considered it - specifically Collective Restraint. Unfortunately, as good as so many cards are for Omo, the deck can only have 99 additional cards XD I love your suggestions, though! So many great cards!
@@TheCommanderTavern I'm also glad you went with other styles of evasion than shifting sliver. If I wanted to play slivers I'd play slivers. And your the first person I've seen bring up treefolk protector! In addition to that there is trite sanctum that can give indestructible to a god and skip the need for its 2nd ability with everything counter
@@welshmanthebestbanana3635 I know, right? It's quite tempting to run slivers but at that point why be coy? Just play 5C slivers, lol.
Song of the dryads and imprisoned in the moon will allow vesuva to copy creatures turned into lands 😊
YES!!!! That's the kind of spice I love!!
Hey can you explain this interaction to me I don’t understand😅
@@ethangrabas6068 Any copy effect, Vesuva included, can only copy cards as they are printed. They don't care about any counters, equipment or auras attached to the thing being copied. As long as the creature Vesuva is trying to copy is a land by the enchantments mentioned already , you'll get another copy of that creature without the enchantment that initially turned it into a land because copy effects can only copy the printed values of a card, nothing else. I don't know if I explained that all but I hope that helps!
Rather janky and niche way to just copy a creature. Losing vesuva and the original creature for a forest and a copy that is.
@@josephschulte1073 You don’t lose anything if you’re copying your opponents best creature after turning it into a forest.
love your take on this deck:)
Thanks! Glad you liked it! :)
Here's a fun, if somewhat impractical tech. Embiggen. 1 CMC instant. Until end of turn, target non-Brushwagg creature gets +1/+1 for each supertype, card type, and subtype it has. Now as you may have noticed, this won't work for your creatures. If they have an Everything counter, they are Brushwaggs. HOWEVER if you use land transformation to turn one of your lands with a counter on them into a creature, things get interesting. As long as it has the text "it's still a land," it will only gain land types from the counter, not creature types. So it will NOT be a Brushwagg, and based on land types it will get a whopping +12/+12 (I think) for 1 mana. Is it practical? No. Is it impactful? Eh. Is it funny? Hell yes.
At least +17 (Land Creature is +2, there are +10 non basic land types and +5 basic land types). Then if you put it on creature lands like Inkmoth Nexus, +1 for artifact. Or if you are cheeky and has a Snow Basic land, that’s +2. Oh did I forget to mention Inkmoth nexus has infect?
Ooh! That is 10,000% spicy! I love it! Embiggen is even better if used on a snow basic land with an everything counter since it'll have 2 additional supertypes.
Exactly right!
I'm late to the responses, but take a look at Inkmoth Nexus. Keep this Embiggen play in mind, and mind the moth.
Its a nice Dauthi tribal deck 😂. Oh right, seriously its a nice plan to use the second ability. Probably in the future we get more Lhurgoyfs, but now its not an option. I really miss Garruk's uprising in this deck. Also, maybe u can cut reliquary tower because if you haven't you need to discard at end of turn and you can fill your geveyard easily.
When I started building this, I quickly realized that there wasn't enough lhurgoyfs or even changelings to make it worth my while. But if that changes in the future, more could definitely be added. I wouldn't cut a land for a nonland card, considering the number of lands in the deck is already at a functional minimum.
Maybe it's not that relevant, but wouldn't lands with everything counters on them already give you perfect mana because they have every land type?
You still want some amount of fixing because if Omo is removed the lands stops being everything
Yes, but the everything counter only gives all subtypes if Omo is on the battlefield.
Exactly! Redundancy is key.
I could see Stone-Seeder Hierophant do some work for speeding up the Maze's End win con. I also think that its strange that Omo doesn't have Changling on there own.
Ooh! That's a solid suggestion!
Cool idea
Thanks! Glad you liked it! :) I'm really proud of this one :P
Thanks for the videos. Very good build choices in this deck ! I like it. This commander seems really fun to build around.
Thanks! Glad you liked it! :)
Im glad I found this video! I'm making a similar Disa build around Double Strike attacks, but you gave me some good inspiration and highlighted some cards I missed. Don't forget about Populate cards, Ghired's Beligerence looks great in this!
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful! :) Populate is definitely strong here, for sure.
Can this be used if my opponent isn't using outlaws of thunder junction? (They're using dr who commander precon)
100% You'd have to bring all the cards then. This pile is "shared" by everyone playing.
Isnt morph an ability making it so that yedora grave Gardener removal of abilities impossible to morph a card face up?
Yedora works with morph, megamorph, and disguise because those abilities are on face-down creatures. Here, taken straight from Gatherer, WotC's official card database: gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=518466#:~:text=If%20the%20face%2Ddown%20card,to%20turn%20it%20face%20up.&text=If%20one%20of%20these%20Forests,%2C%20abilities%2C%20and%20so%20on.
Activating a morph cost is a "special action". The 11 different special actions do not use the stack and each has its own set of unique rules support. Each individual morph creature is a 2/2 with no abilities. Removing the abilities of a creature with no abilities doesn't do anything.
A well made kadeena deck has crazy draw economy
100%
I am thinking about building him. Is there a better way to end the game than venture into the dungeon? I dound a single vehicle that can be blinked for damage and a single creature that can make opponents lose 2 life when it enters. Just trying to build out options
You can definitely build this with multiple other options. There're so many creatures with enter-the-battlefield triggers. Just use whichever ones call to you most. That's why I went with dungeons, because I love the mechanic.
I run a Goro-Goro and Satoru deck so I knew exactly where you were going with this. Honestly, it's pretty interesting, but gets really stale after a while in my experience because it depends too much on the commander staying on the battlefield. Including green helps this, but I'm really not that hype for this version of the deck. I bought Graveyard Overdrive mostly to get a nostalgia hit of running Goyfs and Alara-Jund callbacks.
You can definitely build this as it was expected to be built around.
Can my opponents collect my bounty if they met the conditions
Yes, it's a shared bounty deck. Whoever meets the conditions of the top card claims it.
You made this deck so interesting. You've been hella cooking. Awesome stuff.
Thanks! Glad you liked it! I do my best :P
Why does he look like Dante from Devil May Cry? This makes me want to build him actually. Because I do love DMC. :D
I see it now that you mention it! Also, Devil May Cry is an S-tier franchise.
@@TheCommanderTavern yeah, I have fond memories of DMC 1. Still imo was the best DMC.. did like 2, even if a lot easier. Never really got into the newer ones. 😅
@@dachivale5319 To be fair, all you need is the first one :P
@@TheCommanderTavern true, I still have it somewhere. Havent touched it in years, because I can't play it on my PS5 nor could it be played on the PS4. Also I am not as good at those types of games anymore compared to when it was released. 😅🤣
@@dachivale5319 We need an ultimate system with complete backwards compatibility.
Ya, I like the shadow aspect. Dig it dude, definitely looks fun
Thanks! Glad you liked it! It's definitely fun :P
SUPER underrated video. Outstanding value with your card selection.
Thank you so much! Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
I definitely leaning more into graveyard value and cheating out lhurgoyfs with my build but this was still a very interesting build and did give me some other ideas on what I could add to my version of the deck.
Thanks! Glad you found something helpful out of it :)
I do like your idea, though I think that the other new Goyf are also quite good. Might not initially go with this kind of build, but if my current build I am making isn't working I might try a similar build to this one. Also do think you are running to few lands, I tested a few times on Moxfield (not the best testing environment in my experience), but quite often it didn't get me enough lands to run smoothly. But if that works for you, then kudos to you. :D
Thanks! Glad you have an idea you can work around to your own liking. You can always swap out whatever you want for more lhurgoyfs and lands if you wanted to. The land count seems low if you're not counting the MDFC lands. I always play them I have no other land to play. The curve is quite low so having at least 2-3 lands in opening hand is enough, given that the median CMC of the deck is 2 (considering lands) and 3 (not considering lands).
Sick!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
How do you feel about extra combat steps in this deck? Seem like it could be effective, though token doublers do about the same. Maybe a potential budget alternative to token doublers.
Nice catch! That was 100% the intention. Same reason I played the token doublers over Roaming Throne (it's actually more than all but Doubling Season).