@@littlebritain64 You're welcome! Happy to share great stuff with you!
@littlebritain647 күн бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Vedo che nel video parli italiano. Allora mi "sfogo" nella mia lingua!😄 Da tenere in considerazione anche la ricerca fatta non rammento se da Farfisa o da General Music sul chip proprietario o sistema DRAKE. Poi sarebbe interessante ripercorrere il lavoro fatto dalla sezione di ricerca sonora della facoltà universitaria di Pisa, il C.N.U.C.E. , che collaborava con il centro di musica fiorentino Tempo Reale. Conosco uno degli ultimi ingegneri che entrò giovane a fine anni '60 al C.N.U.C.E. ed abita poco fuori Pisa. Non troppo vicino a casa mia ma mi piacerebbe intervistarlo....
@AndreijRublev7 күн бұрын
@@littlebritain64 sarebbe bellissimo riuscissi a raccogliere quell'intervista (nei limiti del possibile, ovviamente)! Preservare la memoria di quel mondo, del tempo e delle persone che ne hanno fatto parte è una cosa molto importante secondo me e molto poco praticata purtroppo. È soprattutto uno spaccato interessantissimo sull'industria, sulla ricerca e di storia del lavoro e sociale dell'italia del dopoguerra. Sicuramente una situazione che meriterebbe più attenzione, un bel lavoro di conservazione e di divulgazione.
@craighamilton206313 күн бұрын
I think you could pull a tractor with those cables...wait...traktor? I almost pulled the rip cord on this one until I heard the host give a semi evil genius chuckle around 7:08. Now, I'm hooked.
@nigroplus13 күн бұрын
Excelent video! I would like to know how is the setup in this case? Is always necessary the mono splitters, or it works without them?
@AndreijRublev13 күн бұрын
Thanks! In this case you have two indipendent channels, so you need at least one mono splitter to duplicate an output and patch it back into its own input. Then you send the other splitted signal to the second channel input and from the second channel output to the audio interface/mixer/whatever. You can add more complexity with another splitter, but it is not necessary. One is required anyway.
@Qwerttyuiop114 күн бұрын
merzbow been quiet since this dropped
@AndreijRublev13 күн бұрын
@@Qwerttyuiop1 merzbow and quiet are two words that sound weird close to each other hahaha
@miekwavesoundlab17 күн бұрын
Did someone chop this into a sample pack yet?
@AndreijRublev17 күн бұрын
Not yet, but feel free to do it!
@lofimat385618 күн бұрын
Oki this supaah COOL!!
@AndreijRublev18 күн бұрын
@@lofimat3856 Thanks! Happy you like it!
@lofimat385618 күн бұрын
Doesnt this brake the Unit for ormal Use after while? Very creative here!
@AndreijRublev18 күн бұрын
It's rather difficult. In general these audio circuits are designed to handle a hot/saturated signal. Unless the unit is old and with some issues it shouldn't be a problem.
@lofimat385618 күн бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Do yu use it also for EQin or just als FeedBack Maschine?
@AndreijRublev18 күн бұрын
@@lofimat3856 I use it only as a feedback machine, but it works well also as a standard EQ.
@lofimat385618 күн бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Than yu much for Answering me!!
@AndreijRublev18 күн бұрын
@@lofimat3856 you're welcome! Always happy to help!
@AntonyNorthcutt21 күн бұрын
Do you use TS or TRS patch cables?
@AndreijRublev21 күн бұрын
@@AntonyNorthcutt Unbalanced ones, so TS.
@AntonyNorthcutt21 күн бұрын
@@AndreijRublev I'm a new disciple of your work so any recommendations on ones to buy? I love your work!!
@AndreijRublev21 күн бұрын
@@AntonyNorthcutt First of all I'm glad you like it! Thanks! My suggestion is to check for second hand or partially broken mixers (of any kind, any model, size, etc) so you can start experimenting with routing and feedback, you can play with the unusual interface and explore how it reacts. No real rule, just have fun. Just be careful with the volume. As I say in the video I reccomend using something to control the volume between your no input setup and your speakers or earphones/headphones (an audio interface, another mixer, or whatever device allows you to control the output volume of your setup). If you have any specific question feel free to write me here, more than happy to help you!
@AntonyNorthcutt21 күн бұрын
@@AndreijRublev I just bought a MX1604A and currently looking at the Vermona Filter Lancet - going all in!!
@AndreijRublev21 күн бұрын
@@AntonyNorthcutt Great choice! Filters are one of my favourite effects to combine with no input mixers, especially if they have some sort of envelope follower, so they can interact actively with the feedback.
@luistavares667029 күн бұрын
Man just amazing
@AndreijRublev29 күн бұрын
@@luistavares6670 Thanks!
@verttihietaniemi7412Ай бұрын
I'm not much into modular synths but have some CV sources, and I'm wondering how much electricity (voltage, current and whatnot) is CV compared to the audio signal that is going through mixer? Very inspirational stuff!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.
@verttihietaniemi7412Ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Oh that makes sense!
@verttihietaniemi7412Ай бұрын
Brilliant stuff!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
Thank you! Glad you like it!
@electromaniac1237Ай бұрын
How have i not found this channel earlier? My crazy heart loves everything about these sounds!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
Happy you like these sounds and found this channel!
@PhucNguyen-yn7ngАй бұрын
You're really cool Andreij!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
You are too kind! Just a normal guy here who like to make some noise eheh.
@AmbroseCadwellАй бұрын
Just seen this, looks like someone's figured out using CV for rhythm control at least - kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZaEtZqvkdy-ltI.htmlsi=MkKtxZeBdCjjarSh
@YZER0Ай бұрын
Thank you for these great tutorials, your videos are very informative and surprising. A quick question: I understand that you plug your drumbrute into the loop of your no input mixer and that you use the pedals to modulate all that. However I was wondering how you connect your pedals. Using the effect send -> pedal chain -> input channel? Directly on the output channel of the microphone or the drummachine? And what do you think about using another effect send to use these (and therefore return send) to measure the impact of the effects pedal chain?
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
Thanks for your kind words! In this video I used the effects pedal between the no input setup and the audio interface (the path is roughly: main out of the mixer > effect pedals > audio interface), so they don't interact with the feedback' signal chain. However you can totally put them in the signal chain of the feedback, as you wrote in your example (whatever mixer output > effects > channel input) or even between your instrument and the mixer (drumbrute > effects > channel input). The possibilities are a lot in terms of patching. Experimenting with different type of routing is always fun and can lead to unexpected and interesting results!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
You can also consider that in a mixer there are a lot of inputs that you can use both to make external sound sources interact with the feedback chain or to patch the mixer signal back into itself, and outputs (in many units they are even more than the inputs) and every output can be used to send the signal back into the mixer to create more complex interactions. That's basically and endless playground and for me it is always a lot of fun exploring it.
@YZER0Ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Thank you for your explanations, it’s perfectly clear! Indeed, there is a lot to experiment with, I already know that I will spend hours and hours there... Thanks to you ;)
@Ihavegivenup825Ай бұрын
This was very inspiring Andreij, thank you so much!
@AndreijRublevАй бұрын
Glad to hear it! Thank you!
@lightascend25242 ай бұрын
Woah, you recreated VL with nothing but your mixer!
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
I don't actually know what VL stands for but thank you!
@lightascend25242 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublevIt's Yamaha's way of branding... I don't know either, but it does have other names: "Virtual Acoustic synthesis" and "digital waveguide synthesis". And holy 13:42 that one sounds almost the same as DinoPerc!
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
@@lightascend2524 Oh got it! Didn't know that name, thanks!
@KeaneFreeman2 ай бұрын
9:28 need this live with a drummer now
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
Actually: entering the studio pretty soon with a drummer too ;-)
@KeaneFreeman2 ай бұрын
Love your passion dude, hope to hear it soon!!!
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
@@KeaneFreeman thank you so much! I Really appreciate!
@hiwattbob2 ай бұрын
Very cool!
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@skriptico2 ай бұрын
super interesting.
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Happy you like it!
@knasterask12 ай бұрын
Lovely sounding patch 🎉
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@drunkbabysitter2 ай бұрын
can you explain how all your pedals are linked together? hard to try to map them out through the footage
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
In this video I used two pedals in the feedback chain (the routing is: mixer > phaser > delay > back into the mixer) and two pedals after the feedback chain (mixer > filter > reverb > audio interface).
@AndreijRublev2 ай бұрын
I don't exactly remember the signal flow in the example with pedals only, but I assume it was something like: reverb > distortion > phaser > delay > distortion > filter > audio interface. Not completely sure anyway.
@olldomu57903 ай бұрын
who are the mixer modules made by? im trying it using the default VCV mixers but after emulating your wiring im only getting coloured / filtered noise and the occasional pop or crackle.
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.
@TheHeraldOfChange3 ай бұрын
Really enjoying your channel. I recently sold a no brand 8 ch mixer that I paid to much money for and was sour on, and because I didn't know what to do with it.I thought it was just taking up space. But after watching StMag and youI bought another, bigger, and heavier 16 ch mixer for the same price that I sold the other (apparently two channels are a bit "noisy.") 🙄 It has main stereo out, 3x AUX 1pre, 2 post fader), headphone out, monitor out, AND a TRS "Insert" jack for each channel. These send, and receive... Have you ever fooled around with the Insert jacks? If so how do you use them for No Input mixing?
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Happy you found some inspiration in our videos! Insert channels can be super useful to add effects in the feedback chain (delays, filters, eqs, etc)!
@TheHeraldOfChange3 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Interesting. Thanks for the "feedback" 🤣 Anyway, Insert cables are split right? Tip-send, Sleeve-receive... so are Insert cables different to stereo-twin mono cables? If so, how would you use the cables in cross-channel patches? Do you have a video on any of this?
@michaelknight40413 ай бұрын
This is awesome! That is some amazing synth tones you're getting out of that thing plus the versatility is pretty impressive. Totally usable in all sorts of ways. Im In the brainstorming stage of building a set of stand alone bass pedals like the moog Taurus. If I could use something like this for the core oscillator then run it thru some dividers to produce the 12 different pitches it might just be crazy enough to work 😜
@13opacus3 ай бұрын
Another great instalment Andreij, John Zorn always fascinated me how he used to conduct his ensembles to create different moods during a piece. Looking forward to the next one ✌️
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! Yes, John Zorn is a great example for impro orchestras.
@tbsq11143 ай бұрын
Hey I like that one Tarkovsky movie about you!
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Hahaha I like that too! One of my favourite directors and movie!
@tbsq11143 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev No but seriously is this a common name in Russia?
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
@@tbsq1114 I don't really know. In my case it is an art name (and of course a reference to the painter and the movie)! I'm from Italy actually.
@tbsq11143 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Oh I thought this was your real name! I know a tennis player with this name also.
@flourfree2K3 ай бұрын
Aaaaaand... you can apply the same concept on your hardware modular synth (for instance I have 3 Doepfer A-138n 4HP 4 channel mixers - which can also be used to make a matrix mixer, at the occurrence!). And a regular A-138b audio mixer before the output module.
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!
@flourfree2K3 ай бұрын
Now imagine having a mixer which also features effects... Say a delay (and/or a reverb). Nowadays you can get this kind of mixers for cheap (even a 12 mono / 6 stereo channels one). Imagine if you buy a used one. A world of fun for nearly no cost...
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Totally! Adding some effects in the feedback chain is always fun and can lead to even more unexpected results!
@flourfree2K3 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev also because they propagate and multiply indefinetly.
@markrussell55873 ай бұрын
Thank you for the inspiration!
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Happy it was useful!
@markmiller28593 ай бұрын
'Promosm' 🤣
@diegocelso3 ай бұрын
Isso é incrível! Obrigado por essa aula. Abraço do Brasil! 🇧🇷
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Happy you like it! Greetings from Italy!
@salviagods86143 ай бұрын
Might be a dumb question but isn't there any risk for sepakers running a clipped signal trough them?
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
No question is dumb! The answer is yes, totally. That's the reason why I suggest to use something (an audio interface, another mixer or even a guitar pedal with a volume control) in between the no input mixer and your speakers (or headphones) so you can set the max volume with that added level of gain staging. In this way you can avoid any damage to your speakers, hearphones and ears.
@whollenbeck83 ай бұрын
Can this damage the mixer? It seems some of my channels are not working anymore. I have a Mackie Pro FX.*UPDATE: I suspect the connection port is damaged somehow. The contact points are not all touching the 1/4 jack poles. When I insert the jack fully, there is not sound. It only works if I pull it out slightly but sounds low.
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
If you work with line level signal is nearly impossible to damage the mixer. Are you using xlr or jacks? Be sure to turn the phantom off if you use xlr cables.
@SoyCarlosLanto3 ай бұрын
Where is the 10 likes button? This is super interesting 🤯 I'm going to spend the entire afternoon and several days learning this technique 😁
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Super happy it was useful and inspiring! Have fun with it ;)
@defaultxr3 ай бұрын
Wonderful video. I've been into free improvisation for a long time (even performing a bit myself in the past) but I still learned some new things from this. And I loved all the performance excerpts. Free improv can absolutely be magic. This deserves many more views. I've experienced playing both sides of free improv performance: I've had absolutely amazing experiences that I was really proud of, and some that I felt a bit disappointed by my performance in. But either way, it definitely felt very alive, like it was its own beast.
@AndreijRublev3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you took the time to watch it and happy that your discovered something new! Yes, free impro sometime is real something magic, that's why we love it ;)
@DroddMcGroggin4 ай бұрын
Control voltage is input too! Don't be a signalist!
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
hahaha you got me! I'm not a purist at all ;-)
@DroddMcGroggin4 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev 😜
@sergioricardodegodoylima88864 ай бұрын
Dear Andreij, very thanks! And what about digital mixers? How would it works? Could we repeat the same procedures? Is there any risk to equipments? I´m loving all here...
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Happy you like it here! In general it should work also on a digital mixer, but since I've never tried with one of those I cannot say if they have some sort of feedback protection in the DAC section. Probably it depends on the specific mixer features. Also I don't know how the Digital to Analog converters will react, they are probably built to manage clipping and saturated signals, but I don't know if they can be damaged on the long run, since I've never tested it. The analog part of the circuit is totally safe if you use only line level signals, but not sure about the converters.
@liecht4 ай бұрын
9:24 just wow!!!
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Nostalgia-gitarama4 ай бұрын
Great
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@d4r0xx0r4 ай бұрын
I wonder how many people have asked: "Can I do this with my DAW"?
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Yes you can. Usually DAWs try to avoid that but there are some workarounds, depending on the DAW you use. Otherwise you can try to do it with another software like VCV rack. If you are curious I have a tutorial on how to emulate the behaviour of an hardware mixer in a digital environment. You can find it here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXeIpceop9PNfNo.htmlsi=JPTY5FSywpVtYbR-
@kevinputry56554 ай бұрын
Very cool! That EQ is quite a versatile instrument. You can go from goofy whimsical noises to eerie ambient sounds to techno but the ambient sounds are the best.
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Totally agree! It can be super precise and at the same time create unexpected stuff.
@FlourishCaster4 ай бұрын
Honest question that I hope you could shed light on. I hope this question isn't too silly or maive but; how do you find live improvisation events? Are they typically set up, advertised, and promoted like traditional concerts? Or are they more like workshops or classes? Where do these improvisations happen? Universities? Basements? Or Bars? I'd love to get involved with live music improvisation but don't know where to look. Any advice would help!
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
No question is silly, never! The answer on the other hand is not simple at all. Improvisation based concerts can have, as much as the variety of improvisation itself, many different type of situations where they sit, depending on your area and the people who have that approach to concerts. Here where I live (Italy) you can have workshops, grassroots concerts (in general noise or electronic ones, where impro is very present), contemporary jazz or academic concerts too. The variety is pretty wild both in regard of the context and the audience. A good suggestion, in general, is to follow online some musicians (or venues) from your area who practice improvisation in their music and play improvised concerts. Maybe they can introduce you to a series of events where you can discover other artists who works in that "scene" and discover more concerts/events/performances/et cetera. I hope this comes in handy. It is still a sort of niche thing, but there are many people out there who plays improvised music, it is just a little bit more tricky to find them because usually they don't have the resources for a huge promotion. It is not a very profitable market so it is more a matter of knowing people and creating connections between them (which is something I really like, not gonna lie, because it is has a completely different approach from other more profitable and consumeristic cultural productions)
@johntait51414 ай бұрын
Symphonies can come from Improvisation, free thinking and music with a cadence similar to conversation. Music also has healing properties.
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Totally, symphonies can totally come from improvisation, as well as any other type of composed music. Many composers from the past (and in the present) were also great improvisers, even if unfortunately we don't have documents of this side of their music. We are pretty lucky to have a lot of recording devices right now but it is a rather recent thing.
@johntait51414 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev Im a huge fan of pink floyd from 1965 to 1977). Having said that, the way they used effects and "seamlessly" fused them into songs I find really interesting. The effects in a way become instrumentation and I think they and others opened the door to that idea and it can, should be and is being expanded upon.
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Totally
@Brumata4 ай бұрын
Finally got around to watching this! Great video. Full of great musicians and perspectives! 😎😎😎😎
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Really happy you like it!
@AricTheAnderson4 ай бұрын
Great work Andreij!
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Much appreciated!
@lucaferroAudioArtist4 ай бұрын
BRILLIANT!! Looking forward for next episodes!! Bella li!!
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Grazie mille caro!
@DSoverPSP4 ай бұрын
Alternate intro: ARF ARF! Yeah, uh, yeah (Grr), yeah, uh (Grr) Yeah, don't get it twisted This free improvisation shit is mine, motherfucker It's not a fuckin' game Fuck what you heard (Grr) It's what you hearin' (It's what you hearin') It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) Andreij gon give it to ya... (someone will get this lol) Great video, there's actually a pretty vibrant free improv/experimental scene where I live and there were a lot of good insights here for me to keep in mind as I continue to check out more shows and maybe get more involved with it myself. Looking forward to the rest of this series and yes more Pauline Oliveros please! Would love to learn more about her work
@AndreijRublev4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Happy to hear there are free impro scenes around the world!
@DSoverPSP4 ай бұрын
@@AndreijRublev look up the Molten Plains events at Rubber Gloves in Denton TX to get an idea of some of what we have here, some of them were put on KZread. That's more of the local DIY scene but we're also near a very prominent jazz school (UNT) that also apparently founded one of the first electronic music studios in North America under Merrill Ellis back in the 60s I think, and still going. All these years living here and I still need to check that out in person.
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sick and beautifull ;)
@@BukoczeRecords Thanks!
As an italian synth lover I say Thank You!!!
@@littlebritain64 You're welcome! Happy to share great stuff with you!
@@AndreijRublev Vedo che nel video parli italiano. Allora mi "sfogo" nella mia lingua!😄 Da tenere in considerazione anche la ricerca fatta non rammento se da Farfisa o da General Music sul chip proprietario o sistema DRAKE. Poi sarebbe interessante ripercorrere il lavoro fatto dalla sezione di ricerca sonora della facoltà universitaria di Pisa, il C.N.U.C.E. , che collaborava con il centro di musica fiorentino Tempo Reale. Conosco uno degli ultimi ingegneri che entrò giovane a fine anni '60 al C.N.U.C.E. ed abita poco fuori Pisa. Non troppo vicino a casa mia ma mi piacerebbe intervistarlo....
@@littlebritain64 sarebbe bellissimo riuscissi a raccogliere quell'intervista (nei limiti del possibile, ovviamente)! Preservare la memoria di quel mondo, del tempo e delle persone che ne hanno fatto parte è una cosa molto importante secondo me e molto poco praticata purtroppo. È soprattutto uno spaccato interessantissimo sull'industria, sulla ricerca e di storia del lavoro e sociale dell'italia del dopoguerra. Sicuramente una situazione che meriterebbe più attenzione, un bel lavoro di conservazione e di divulgazione.
I think you could pull a tractor with those cables...wait...traktor? I almost pulled the rip cord on this one until I heard the host give a semi evil genius chuckle around 7:08. Now, I'm hooked.
Excelent video! I would like to know how is the setup in this case? Is always necessary the mono splitters, or it works without them?
Thanks! In this case you have two indipendent channels, so you need at least one mono splitter to duplicate an output and patch it back into its own input. Then you send the other splitted signal to the second channel input and from the second channel output to the audio interface/mixer/whatever. You can add more complexity with another splitter, but it is not necessary. One is required anyway.
merzbow been quiet since this dropped
@@Qwerttyuiop1 merzbow and quiet are two words that sound weird close to each other hahaha
Did someone chop this into a sample pack yet?
Not yet, but feel free to do it!
Oki this supaah COOL!!
@@lofimat3856 Thanks! Happy you like it!
Doesnt this brake the Unit for ormal Use after while? Very creative here!
It's rather difficult. In general these audio circuits are designed to handle a hot/saturated signal. Unless the unit is old and with some issues it shouldn't be a problem.
@@AndreijRublev Do yu use it also for EQin or just als FeedBack Maschine?
@@lofimat3856 I use it only as a feedback machine, but it works well also as a standard EQ.
@@AndreijRublev Than yu much for Answering me!!
@@lofimat3856 you're welcome! Always happy to help!
Do you use TS or TRS patch cables?
@@AntonyNorthcutt Unbalanced ones, so TS.
@@AndreijRublev I'm a new disciple of your work so any recommendations on ones to buy? I love your work!!
@@AntonyNorthcutt First of all I'm glad you like it! Thanks! My suggestion is to check for second hand or partially broken mixers (of any kind, any model, size, etc) so you can start experimenting with routing and feedback, you can play with the unusual interface and explore how it reacts. No real rule, just have fun. Just be careful with the volume. As I say in the video I reccomend using something to control the volume between your no input setup and your speakers or earphones/headphones (an audio interface, another mixer, or whatever device allows you to control the output volume of your setup). If you have any specific question feel free to write me here, more than happy to help you!
@@AndreijRublev I just bought a MX1604A and currently looking at the Vermona Filter Lancet - going all in!!
@@AntonyNorthcutt Great choice! Filters are one of my favourite effects to combine with no input mixers, especially if they have some sort of envelope follower, so they can interact actively with the feedback.
Man just amazing
@@luistavares6670 Thanks!
I'm not much into modular synths but have some CV sources, and I'm wondering how much electricity (voltage, current and whatnot) is CV compared to the audio signal that is going through mixer? Very inspirational stuff!
From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.
@@AndreijRublev Oh that makes sense!
Brilliant stuff!
Thank you! Glad you like it!
How have i not found this channel earlier? My crazy heart loves everything about these sounds!
Happy you like these sounds and found this channel!
You're really cool Andreij!
You are too kind! Just a normal guy here who like to make some noise eheh.
Just seen this, looks like someone's figured out using CV for rhythm control at least - kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZaEtZqvkdy-ltI.htmlsi=MkKtxZeBdCjjarSh
Thank you for these great tutorials, your videos are very informative and surprising. A quick question: I understand that you plug your drumbrute into the loop of your no input mixer and that you use the pedals to modulate all that. However I was wondering how you connect your pedals. Using the effect send -> pedal chain -> input channel? Directly on the output channel of the microphone or the drummachine? And what do you think about using another effect send to use these (and therefore return send) to measure the impact of the effects pedal chain?
Thanks for your kind words! In this video I used the effects pedal between the no input setup and the audio interface (the path is roughly: main out of the mixer > effect pedals > audio interface), so they don't interact with the feedback' signal chain. However you can totally put them in the signal chain of the feedback, as you wrote in your example (whatever mixer output > effects > channel input) or even between your instrument and the mixer (drumbrute > effects > channel input). The possibilities are a lot in terms of patching. Experimenting with different type of routing is always fun and can lead to unexpected and interesting results!
You can also consider that in a mixer there are a lot of inputs that you can use both to make external sound sources interact with the feedback chain or to patch the mixer signal back into itself, and outputs (in many units they are even more than the inputs) and every output can be used to send the signal back into the mixer to create more complex interactions. That's basically and endless playground and for me it is always a lot of fun exploring it.
@@AndreijRublev Thank you for your explanations, it’s perfectly clear! Indeed, there is a lot to experiment with, I already know that I will spend hours and hours there... Thanks to you ;)
This was very inspiring Andreij, thank you so much!
Glad to hear it! Thank you!
Woah, you recreated VL with nothing but your mixer!
I don't actually know what VL stands for but thank you!
@@AndreijRublevIt's Yamaha's way of branding... I don't know either, but it does have other names: "Virtual Acoustic synthesis" and "digital waveguide synthesis". And holy 13:42 that one sounds almost the same as DinoPerc!
@@lightascend2524 Oh got it! Didn't know that name, thanks!
9:28 need this live with a drummer now
Actually: entering the studio pretty soon with a drummer too ;-)
Love your passion dude, hope to hear it soon!!!
@@KeaneFreeman thank you so much! I Really appreciate!
Very cool!
Thanks!
super interesting.
Thanks! Happy you like it!
Lovely sounding patch 🎉
Thanks!
can you explain how all your pedals are linked together? hard to try to map them out through the footage
In this video I used two pedals in the feedback chain (the routing is: mixer > phaser > delay > back into the mixer) and two pedals after the feedback chain (mixer > filter > reverb > audio interface).
I don't exactly remember the signal flow in the example with pedals only, but I assume it was something like: reverb > distortion > phaser > delay > distortion > filter > audio interface. Not completely sure anyway.
who are the mixer modules made by? im trying it using the default VCV mixers but after emulating your wiring im only getting coloured / filtered noise and the occasional pop or crackle.
The mixer modules are the default ones that come with vcv rack. I used the 2.0 version. Don't know if with later versions they replaced them. Anyway you can find a ton of mixer modules on vcv rack website and download them for free, if you can't find the one that I used in the video.
Really enjoying your channel. I recently sold a no brand 8 ch mixer that I paid to much money for and was sour on, and because I didn't know what to do with it.I thought it was just taking up space. But after watching StMag and youI bought another, bigger, and heavier 16 ch mixer for the same price that I sold the other (apparently two channels are a bit "noisy.") 🙄 It has main stereo out, 3x AUX 1pre, 2 post fader), headphone out, monitor out, AND a TRS "Insert" jack for each channel. These send, and receive... Have you ever fooled around with the Insert jacks? If so how do you use them for No Input mixing?
Happy you found some inspiration in our videos! Insert channels can be super useful to add effects in the feedback chain (delays, filters, eqs, etc)!
@@AndreijRublev Interesting. Thanks for the "feedback" 🤣 Anyway, Insert cables are split right? Tip-send, Sleeve-receive... so are Insert cables different to stereo-twin mono cables? If so, how would you use the cables in cross-channel patches? Do you have a video on any of this?
This is awesome! That is some amazing synth tones you're getting out of that thing plus the versatility is pretty impressive. Totally usable in all sorts of ways. Im In the brainstorming stage of building a set of stand alone bass pedals like the moog Taurus. If I could use something like this for the core oscillator then run it thru some dividers to produce the 12 different pitches it might just be crazy enough to work 😜
Another great instalment Andreij, John Zorn always fascinated me how he used to conduct his ensembles to create different moods during a piece. Looking forward to the next one ✌️
Thank you so much! Glad you liked it! Yes, John Zorn is a great example for impro orchestras.
Hey I like that one Tarkovsky movie about you!
Hahaha I like that too! One of my favourite directors and movie!
@@AndreijRublev No but seriously is this a common name in Russia?
@@tbsq1114 I don't really know. In my case it is an art name (and of course a reference to the painter and the movie)! I'm from Italy actually.
@@AndreijRublev Oh I thought this was your real name! I know a tennis player with this name also.
Aaaaaand... you can apply the same concept on your hardware modular synth (for instance I have 3 Doepfer A-138n 4HP 4 channel mixers - which can also be used to make a matrix mixer, at the occurrence!). And a regular A-138b audio mixer before the output module.
yep, absolutely. Feedback based sound generation is such a basic principle that you can apply it in many different fields and ways. Such a fascinating and creative thing!
Now imagine having a mixer which also features effects... Say a delay (and/or a reverb). Nowadays you can get this kind of mixers for cheap (even a 12 mono / 6 stereo channels one). Imagine if you buy a used one. A world of fun for nearly no cost...
Totally! Adding some effects in the feedback chain is always fun and can lead to even more unexpected results!
@@AndreijRublev also because they propagate and multiply indefinetly.
Thank you for the inspiration!
Happy it was useful!
'Promosm' 🤣
Isso é incrível! Obrigado por essa aula. Abraço do Brasil! 🇧🇷
Thank you! Happy you like it! Greetings from Italy!
Might be a dumb question but isn't there any risk for sepakers running a clipped signal trough them?
No question is dumb! The answer is yes, totally. That's the reason why I suggest to use something (an audio interface, another mixer or even a guitar pedal with a volume control) in between the no input mixer and your speakers (or headphones) so you can set the max volume with that added level of gain staging. In this way you can avoid any damage to your speakers, hearphones and ears.
Can this damage the mixer? It seems some of my channels are not working anymore. I have a Mackie Pro FX.*UPDATE: I suspect the connection port is damaged somehow. The contact points are not all touching the 1/4 jack poles. When I insert the jack fully, there is not sound. It only works if I pull it out slightly but sounds low.
If you work with line level signal is nearly impossible to damage the mixer. Are you using xlr or jacks? Be sure to turn the phantom off if you use xlr cables.
Where is the 10 likes button? This is super interesting 🤯 I'm going to spend the entire afternoon and several days learning this technique 😁
Thank you so much! Super happy it was useful and inspiring! Have fun with it ;)
Wonderful video. I've been into free improvisation for a long time (even performing a bit myself in the past) but I still learned some new things from this. And I loved all the performance excerpts. Free improv can absolutely be magic. This deserves many more views. I've experienced playing both sides of free improv performance: I've had absolutely amazing experiences that I was really proud of, and some that I felt a bit disappointed by my performance in. But either way, it definitely felt very alive, like it was its own beast.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you took the time to watch it and happy that your discovered something new! Yes, free impro sometime is real something magic, that's why we love it ;)
Control voltage is input too! Don't be a signalist!
hahaha you got me! I'm not a purist at all ;-)
@@AndreijRublev 😜
Dear Andreij, very thanks! And what about digital mixers? How would it works? Could we repeat the same procedures? Is there any risk to equipments? I´m loving all here...
Happy you like it here! In general it should work also on a digital mixer, but since I've never tried with one of those I cannot say if they have some sort of feedback protection in the DAC section. Probably it depends on the specific mixer features. Also I don't know how the Digital to Analog converters will react, they are probably built to manage clipping and saturated signals, but I don't know if they can be damaged on the long run, since I've never tested it. The analog part of the circuit is totally safe if you use only line level signals, but not sure about the converters.
9:24 just wow!!!
Thanks!
Great
Thank you!
I wonder how many people have asked: "Can I do this with my DAW"?
Yes you can. Usually DAWs try to avoid that but there are some workarounds, depending on the DAW you use. Otherwise you can try to do it with another software like VCV rack. If you are curious I have a tutorial on how to emulate the behaviour of an hardware mixer in a digital environment. You can find it here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXeIpceop9PNfNo.htmlsi=JPTY5FSywpVtYbR-
Very cool! That EQ is quite a versatile instrument. You can go from goofy whimsical noises to eerie ambient sounds to techno but the ambient sounds are the best.
Totally agree! It can be super precise and at the same time create unexpected stuff.
Honest question that I hope you could shed light on. I hope this question isn't too silly or maive but; how do you find live improvisation events? Are they typically set up, advertised, and promoted like traditional concerts? Or are they more like workshops or classes? Where do these improvisations happen? Universities? Basements? Or Bars? I'd love to get involved with live music improvisation but don't know where to look. Any advice would help!
No question is silly, never! The answer on the other hand is not simple at all. Improvisation based concerts can have, as much as the variety of improvisation itself, many different type of situations where they sit, depending on your area and the people who have that approach to concerts. Here where I live (Italy) you can have workshops, grassroots concerts (in general noise or electronic ones, where impro is very present), contemporary jazz or academic concerts too. The variety is pretty wild both in regard of the context and the audience. A good suggestion, in general, is to follow online some musicians (or venues) from your area who practice improvisation in their music and play improvised concerts. Maybe they can introduce you to a series of events where you can discover other artists who works in that "scene" and discover more concerts/events/performances/et cetera. I hope this comes in handy. It is still a sort of niche thing, but there are many people out there who plays improvised music, it is just a little bit more tricky to find them because usually they don't have the resources for a huge promotion. It is not a very profitable market so it is more a matter of knowing people and creating connections between them (which is something I really like, not gonna lie, because it is has a completely different approach from other more profitable and consumeristic cultural productions)
Symphonies can come from Improvisation, free thinking and music with a cadence similar to conversation. Music also has healing properties.
Totally, symphonies can totally come from improvisation, as well as any other type of composed music. Many composers from the past (and in the present) were also great improvisers, even if unfortunately we don't have documents of this side of their music. We are pretty lucky to have a lot of recording devices right now but it is a rather recent thing.
@@AndreijRublev Im a huge fan of pink floyd from 1965 to 1977). Having said that, the way they used effects and "seamlessly" fused them into songs I find really interesting. The effects in a way become instrumentation and I think they and others opened the door to that idea and it can, should be and is being expanded upon.
Totally
Finally got around to watching this! Great video. Full of great musicians and perspectives! 😎😎😎😎
Thank you so much! Really happy you like it!
Great work Andreij!
Thank you! Much appreciated!
BRILLIANT!! Looking forward for next episodes!! Bella li!!
Thanks! Grazie mille caro!
Alternate intro: ARF ARF! Yeah, uh, yeah (Grr), yeah, uh (Grr) Yeah, don't get it twisted This free improvisation shit is mine, motherfucker It's not a fuckin' game Fuck what you heard (Grr) It's what you hearin' (It's what you hearin') It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) It's what you hearin' (Listen) Andreij gon give it to ya... (someone will get this lol) Great video, there's actually a pretty vibrant free improv/experimental scene where I live and there were a lot of good insights here for me to keep in mind as I continue to check out more shows and maybe get more involved with it myself. Looking forward to the rest of this series and yes more Pauline Oliveros please! Would love to learn more about her work
Thanks! Happy to hear there are free impro scenes around the world!
@@AndreijRublev look up the Molten Plains events at Rubber Gloves in Denton TX to get an idea of some of what we have here, some of them were put on KZread. That's more of the local DIY scene but we're also near a very prominent jazz school (UNT) that also apparently founded one of the first electronic music studios in North America under Merrill Ellis back in the 60s I think, and still going. All these years living here and I still need to check that out in person.
Excellent :) btw cool hoddie!
Thanks!