I’m a big RE fan (Interceptor owner) but would absolutely get this over the Himalayan if getting into an adventure bike. So tempting - a great value offering! Getting to be a smaller and smaller group of riders who can justify $20k plus on an ADV bike.
@yohvh2 күн бұрын
lot of money for small performance upgrades
@ralpheglass2 күн бұрын
I never heard or saw the times
@starseeddeluxe2 күн бұрын
Please mention and give thanks to the Triumph engineers that they didn't ruin the Rocket 3's engine by switching to the rougher running "T-Plane" crankshaft configuration----as they insisted doing to all their other triples. The Rocket 3 beast might be the only smooth, properly balanced triple that Triumph makes in 2024.
@NukerDakine2 күн бұрын
Gentlemen, I would like to buy the front fork for my Speed twin 1200 built in 2024. For example, I wanted to buy this: Öhlins universal fork USD 43 FF 520. Would it fit on my motorcycle? If it doesn't fit, please write to me which one is on your table (state an item number from the manufacturer Öhlins) Thanks in advance. Best regards
@SHUTTERSPEEDVLOGS2 күн бұрын
Himalayan over this Chinese wannabe ADV!
@stevesanelli903 күн бұрын
Ohh Snag, cant see you riding a Harley any time soon. But, its got a presence. Not like you though. You aint ancient, but you are legendary!
@stevesanelli903 күн бұрын
Snag aint slow unless the filming is in slow motion 😉
@Lou-rq6lf3 күн бұрын
3200km on the Himi450 flawless!
@LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns3 күн бұрын
No doubt at all The Amazing Harley Davidson it's The Best Motorcycle in the world 👊👍✌️🥇🇺🇸!!!
@lcagle334 күн бұрын
In this category only a torquey single will do. Both these bikes are too heavy for me.
@arvanitiszoisxx4 күн бұрын
the twin cylinder makes the diffrence. When you travelling all day you dont want those vibrations of the single.
@arnohag15 күн бұрын
Just tighten the cable adjustments on the throttle. Makes it much better, less snatchey.
@elm-neo5 күн бұрын
RE should really ditch the circular mirrors. They are the most impractical bit on there. Also, the tank guard should be made an optional accessory.
@alessandro59695 күн бұрын
I bought the cf moto
@76mrruk6 күн бұрын
Both Chinese and Indian Brands are shit ! go with brands like Honda Kawasaki Ktm suzuki etc...
@pabloricardodetarragon26497 күн бұрын
Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines used long hours at a steady cruising speed. The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s. After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450. The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s. Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway. The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gauge of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh. So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.
@barebonesmc7 күн бұрын
a nice calm and balanced delivery, thanks for that, how do they compare 2 up fully loaded on a highway? im guessing that is where the twin will win out, cheers
@virajvrooms7 күн бұрын
I love this bike. This is what a 390 Adventure had to be in the first place based on its product positioning. I own a 390 ADV and I absolutely love it for its all round character, Sharp on streets, light for off roads and super comfy for touring. However my friends who are into proper off roading find it a bit prone to shortcomings. The MT fits the bill.
@TheLibr4rian8 күн бұрын
I have same issue with throttle on Chinese Zontes G1. Very frustrating.
@jay-vo7rx8 күн бұрын
Digging my new Himi, solid, comfortable unit. More than enough power for me.
@reinistraidas8 күн бұрын
You are going to be dissapointed with the new Hima. It vibes as much (or more) as the old one, it's top heavy, it lacks half of the features the 450MT offers at the same price point like tubeless, foldable mirrors, ABS button, adjustable screen and more. And it feels heavy and unwieldy, you sort of sit on top of it instead of "in it", it's taller now and has lost most of it's approachability and easy fun going offorad.
@cyclebeats698 күн бұрын
One has a track record of poor manufacturing quality and chassis breaking/crack. And the other is a Chinese bike with no substantial track record to speak of yet. So I won’t be picking either but if I really had to, I guess it will be the MT.
@jimtitt35718 күн бұрын
CF Moto have been around for 35 years, they started selling their quads about 16 years ago in the USA and we've been a dealer in Germany for ten years. They aren't exactly beginners.
@kwantanianman14358 күн бұрын
that mt deserve 600cc motor with that chassis.... not to slow on highway and good looking... just like africa twin looks with less cc
@edwardlawson92008 күн бұрын
Great review, picked my biggest bitch with the lean low rev map... A booster plug fixed it for the Versys-X it's replacing (I was going to play them off against each other and pick the best, 200k in and I knew I was keeping the MT) The foot pegs aren't me, bring on the pivot pegs and the handguards are useless so budget for bark busters. Definitely loosen up the front end and release the fork striction, everyone I know that has is far happier. Now for some knobbies as I always over ride my ability and the front end feels just like my Africa Twin, begging for more bite from the tyres. All up, it's not the unicorn 🦄 but it's probably slept with it.
@douglasharkness64858 күн бұрын
I love my 450 MT but fuelling is a pain on technical stuff
@michalczajkowski87988 күн бұрын
great review !
@neilmillican6708 күн бұрын
Nice review, “Thanks”. Too many people forget, when you live in a big city, you need a certain capacity to enable reasonable highway cruising to get you to the dirt roads in the first place. That capacity unfortunately, means a bit of extra weight. I had a couple of 300cc bikes, including a Honda CRF300 Rally and a BMW310GS, both lovely bikes, but not very good on the highway. If you want a super light bike, buy a dirt bike and trailer it to the dirt roads. Unfortunately most dirt bikes aren’t road legal and therefore can’t be used on any dirt road in Australia, (private property only). The 450 MT looks like a very good compromise.
@moto-shed8 күн бұрын
Great little bike and great summuary as well. Thanks for the video. I am looking forward for a test ride. Currently not easy to get one here in Germany
@djangounhinged76348 күн бұрын
did it come with the T-Box in OZ already ? I've seen a few customers around the world complaining they didn't get a TBox - so can't do their NAV connection - only China for now they all said ? I pick up my 450MT in a few days from the dealer - so my ears pricked up when I heard the TBox mentioned ...
@Fiatmannen18 күн бұрын
I have a versys300 and i tested the 450mt. Better ergo on the 300. Better sound on the 450. A little more oumph on the 450 but not much. Way better fuelling on the 300. Will not swich bikes.
@szh44948 күн бұрын
5.1/5.7 inch vs 8/8 inch suspension travel. If you don't feel it, you probably don't need it. However it's kinda big deal for others, you know...
@pabloricardodetarragon26497 күн бұрын
@@szh4494 I agree. Plus spoke wheels and tubeless tires. Round torquey engine. The versys is a roadster disguised in trail.
@ckkrons23386 күн бұрын
Versys 400 (or 450) would be excellent.
@brucecampbell44856 күн бұрын
I also had a Versys 300 for 6 years. Good on gravel roads, ton of fun on twisty sealed roads, surprisingly good as a lightweight tourer. Great fuel range. But...for adventure riding the suspension is a major problem. There's just not enough of it. The engine also becomes an issue - it has no low down torque. All power is above 8000 revs. In more technical stuff it is almost impossible to stay in the power band. And the seat is bloody awful! I have taken a 450MT for a test ride and I think it would be a far better all round bike. But, still too tall in the seat even on the low setting. I have a serious case of duck's disease 😞
@david5519708 күн бұрын
I would take the MT450, I really like it, in my country the price is 5790€, I bought a 450SR-S for my son, which has the same engine, I can only say that you get a lot for the money. It drives great and I don't regret buying it.
@dawudgt8 күн бұрын
There are some dealers close to me selling the Aprilia Tuareg 660 in 10K. Some others 11K Which one will you decide? CFMoto 450 10K or Aprilia Tuareg 660 10K ? 😁😁
@aldrinmarquez71368 күн бұрын
No brainer, Aprilia for 10/11k is a steal.
@MudaholicJR8 күн бұрын
It's more than double here in Australia. $23k
@dawudgt8 күн бұрын
@@aldrinmarquez7136 That’s the price and it’s maybe the best mid trail. Better than a CF for the same price.
@szh44948 күн бұрын
You guys are talking in different currencies🤣 You can get a Tuareg for 10k USD in US. You can also get a 450mt for 10k AUD in Australia. You flip that around a Tuareg will set you back 20k+ AUD in Australia, and a 450mt will be 6k+ USD in US.
@dawudgt8 күн бұрын
@@szh4494 😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thanks to clarify!!! 🙏🏻
@marcomiguel3118 күн бұрын
I’d love to see cfmoto making something like the ktm 690 enduro. With the twin engine, that would be something to ride 👌
@bonniechops18 күн бұрын
The CF to me is a better looking bike so I would definitely go for this one 👌🏻🏴
@howardmann56348 күн бұрын
Ordered the mt last week massive waiting list in the uk
@pawelwolski13168 күн бұрын
I got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Europe. I bought it as the lighter, smaller displacement ADV bike. I have modified Rally 300 for the "dirt riding". The big miss for my riding, the short final gearing of the transmission. Around 120 kmh the engine spins at 7000 (8500 red line). I already installed 15t front sprocket, drops rpm 450 or so, but it is little less energetic on initial acceleration. The fueling off idle is shit. The rest of the bike is awesome.
@dawudgt8 күн бұрын
You already answer my big question about this bike. So NO thank you. I’ll go for the Aprilia Tuareg 660 almost the same price and I’ll need the 6th gear after 130
@pawelwolski13168 күн бұрын
@dawudgt Yep, the transmission is a big miss. Glad I could help. No one talks about this super short gearing. All reviews seem to be dirt oriented.
@aldrinmarquez71368 күн бұрын
@@pawelwolski1316 It's pretty much known and most owners have changed to 15T and so did I, and yeah biggest issue is the fuelling which I hope the rumored new "map" will be available for all, last time i heard it was implemented for new zealand owners.
@green_genie8 күн бұрын
And this is the biggest problem with this bike it is geared to be an off-road bike but it's pushing 200kg wet. The weight is fine for on road and gravel touring but then the gearing is not suited for this riding. It looks good sounds great but its not going to be great either off-road or on road unless you like riding slow.
@pawelwolski13168 күн бұрын
@green_genie Yep.....Good thing for me is that I like side roads, so 80-90 kmh is going fast. But sometimes u are stuck on a highway.........
@Neb_388 күн бұрын
You've ridden 5000ks on the 450 Himalayan? That is a lot considering its not been out for long. Or did you mean the 411?
@INFO_MOTO8 күн бұрын
Hey mate! We just recently rode the new one on a two week trip through Nepal and Tibet. It was quite the adventure. We'll have a video from that soon 👍
@Neb_388 күн бұрын
Epic, thanks for clarifying @@INFO_MOTO
@chandanraina8 күн бұрын
@@INFO_MOTO Cant wait!
@stevesanelli908 күн бұрын
Well done Spencer! Getting busted up pretty bad with all the dirty action. Thanks for your presentation & input. It certainly is one of a contender for cheap bike of the year. Will be interested to see your team comparisons between the 450MT & the Himalayan! Cheers & rest up! You deserve a holiday
@INFO_MOTO8 күн бұрын
No rest for the wicked mate!! Thanks for your support as always ✌️
@rc32408 күн бұрын
One thing to remember KTM and CF Moto are in a partnership. I will have to say though the 450mt is a nice looking bike.
@falcn128 күн бұрын
And CF and Yamaha
@jimtitt35718 күн бұрын
Royal Enfield are owned by a tractor manufacturer.
@hair20508 күн бұрын
You summed it up, “light weight adventure bike”. The bike is not light weight in the least however. Personally I don’t understand how people, and yourself mr reviewer, consider the cf moto not most comparable to the Honda NX 500. That’s the comparison that I want to see.
@Ride_XP8 күн бұрын
The NX500 is more expensive and more road-biased (19in front, alloy wheels, lower ground clearance, less suspension travel) than either of the 450s, which is why I don’t think it often gets included in comparisons. The 450MT is definitely more fun, but the NX500 is a Honda, for those who just want the established reliability. NX would probably be the best highway tourer among the three as well.
@aldrinmarquez71368 күн бұрын
Cause they are not, the cf is a proper adv bike not like the 500 which is adventure touring .
@tomschmidt95148 күн бұрын
CF 200 Kilo.
@PubRunner8 күн бұрын
Another thing with Royal Enfield Australia is your warranty roadside assist entitles you to only 2 tows if you break down and the bike can’t be ridden. It put me off buying the 450 Himalayan. I ended up buying a Kawasaki Z650RS because no got it for an amazing price….. I miss being able to take those dirt roads.
@pauls84568 күн бұрын
How much?
@mogden28038 күн бұрын
In the UK, you get 4 years warranty with the 450MT and 8 years breakdown/recovery as long as you keep up with the service intervals at a CFMOTO dealer. What's not to like!!! Placed my order for the MT on Monday. Could be a long wait though. I already bought the 450NK back in March this year. Fantastic little bike with a very peppy engine.
@charliequach63998 күн бұрын
I'd hold off till the end of the year until Kawasaki Versys 500 comes out. This could be a hybrid model too. Can't wait. But I got a feeling this bike would still be better as an overall package, and I'll buy the MT 450. That's ok too cause there would be more aftermarkets for it by then.
@falcn128 күн бұрын
Versys 500 is never coming
@charliequach63998 күн бұрын
@@falcn12 Kawasaki recently submitted a new ADV pattern under the 450 hybrid power plan. Leading to speculation of a new Versys Hybrid 500.
@dawudgt8 күн бұрын
I don’t know if that bike will come and if will have the Ninja engine will be just a street bike with an adventure bike body. I have the Versys X 300 and I hate it.
@dnfedorenko8 күн бұрын
Wow, in Europe it costs below 6000 Euro
@slakk50938 күн бұрын
6000 EURO = 9600 AUD. They are almost exactly the same price. Our dollar is much weaker than the Euro
@pookiewookie76798 күн бұрын
In Denmark, it costs about €9400 😅
@leeinwis8 күн бұрын
Peak HP and peak Torque doesn't mean shit if they are crap in the rest of the rpm range , silly goyim .
@blkvtr1k8 күн бұрын
I’ve had mine for 6 weeks, test rode the RE450 the CF is better in every way. I have a 23 Africa twin also, the CF is a great little bike
@BBOffRoadEng8 күн бұрын
This is an awesome review and video. We've currently got the 450MT in our workshop for R&D on some aftermarket parts and we are quite impressed with the build quality of this machine.
@orionswitness8 күн бұрын
190kg plus wet. The rival is the Honda 450RL , 135kg .
@M.Shahbaz.Khan.8 күн бұрын
Undoubtedly much better off road, but also a lot less comfortable on the highway though
@orionswitness8 күн бұрын
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Fair enough …but remember part of bike riding is getting the adrenaline going in a safe manner. Having to limit your off road riding fun over off road bumps jumps and whoops because your bike is way too heavy , is a downer. Believe me I owned a Honda 300 rally ….fantastic all round bike …but it’s 150 plus kg wet weight , made things slower and less exciting than riding a lighter bike …so imagine 190 kg when you are pushing the pace off road. But if dirt roads and dry fire trails are your only excursions this may suffice. Just make. sure you can pick it up off the dirt….not so easy.
@ShinzouWoSateSateSate8 күн бұрын
They are not comparable
@aldrinmarquez71368 күн бұрын
Different bike segments 😂.
@AlexK-nf8cq8 күн бұрын
185 kg dry
@kingrock61288 күн бұрын
Himalayan 450 is more beautiful bike and the Royal Enfield has a history the cf is totally new and unknown
@M.Shahbaz.Khan.8 күн бұрын
CF has a long history and a partnership with KTM producing engines for them, plus they have good long warranties
@ashhash89738 күн бұрын
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Well Bajaj in India has 47% something stake in KTM as well. They still make some crappy bikes
@XLV750RD018 күн бұрын
The RE is fugly.
@simonlovelock62428 күн бұрын
CF MOTO makes engines for the KTM 790-890 range, mmm cam issue, no thanks. Only time will tell.
@M.Shahbaz.Khan.8 күн бұрын
@@ashhash8973 Good point but the build quality of the CF motos is very high, and I mean they compete in Moto 2, I think they are capable of high quality. So far there are no horror stories of bad reliability (any more than is normal)
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I’m a big RE fan (Interceptor owner) but would absolutely get this over the Himalayan if getting into an adventure bike. So tempting - a great value offering! Getting to be a smaller and smaller group of riders who can justify $20k plus on an ADV bike.
lot of money for small performance upgrades
I never heard or saw the times
Please mention and give thanks to the Triumph engineers that they didn't ruin the Rocket 3's engine by switching to the rougher running "T-Plane" crankshaft configuration----as they insisted doing to all their other triples. The Rocket 3 beast might be the only smooth, properly balanced triple that Triumph makes in 2024.
Gentlemen, I would like to buy the front fork for my Speed twin 1200 built in 2024. For example, I wanted to buy this: Öhlins universal fork USD 43 FF 520. Would it fit on my motorcycle? If it doesn't fit, please write to me which one is on your table (state an item number from the manufacturer Öhlins) Thanks in advance. Best regards
Himalayan over this Chinese wannabe ADV!
Ohh Snag, cant see you riding a Harley any time soon. But, its got a presence. Not like you though. You aint ancient, but you are legendary!
Snag aint slow unless the filming is in slow motion 😉
3200km on the Himi450 flawless!
No doubt at all The Amazing Harley Davidson it's The Best Motorcycle in the world 👊👍✌️🥇🇺🇸!!!
In this category only a torquey single will do. Both these bikes are too heavy for me.
the twin cylinder makes the diffrence. When you travelling all day you dont want those vibrations of the single.
Just tighten the cable adjustments on the throttle. Makes it much better, less snatchey.
RE should really ditch the circular mirrors. They are the most impractical bit on there. Also, the tank guard should be made an optional accessory.
I bought the cf moto
Both Chinese and Indian Brands are shit ! go with brands like Honda Kawasaki Ktm suzuki etc...
Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines used long hours at a steady cruising speed. The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s. After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450. The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s. Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway. The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gauge of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh. So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.
a nice calm and balanced delivery, thanks for that, how do they compare 2 up fully loaded on a highway? im guessing that is where the twin will win out, cheers
I love this bike. This is what a 390 Adventure had to be in the first place based on its product positioning. I own a 390 ADV and I absolutely love it for its all round character, Sharp on streets, light for off roads and super comfy for touring. However my friends who are into proper off roading find it a bit prone to shortcomings. The MT fits the bill.
I have same issue with throttle on Chinese Zontes G1. Very frustrating.
Digging my new Himi, solid, comfortable unit. More than enough power for me.
You are going to be dissapointed with the new Hima. It vibes as much (or more) as the old one, it's top heavy, it lacks half of the features the 450MT offers at the same price point like tubeless, foldable mirrors, ABS button, adjustable screen and more. And it feels heavy and unwieldy, you sort of sit on top of it instead of "in it", it's taller now and has lost most of it's approachability and easy fun going offorad.
One has a track record of poor manufacturing quality and chassis breaking/crack. And the other is a Chinese bike with no substantial track record to speak of yet. So I won’t be picking either but if I really had to, I guess it will be the MT.
CF Moto have been around for 35 years, they started selling their quads about 16 years ago in the USA and we've been a dealer in Germany for ten years. They aren't exactly beginners.
that mt deserve 600cc motor with that chassis.... not to slow on highway and good looking... just like africa twin looks with less cc
Great review, picked my biggest bitch with the lean low rev map... A booster plug fixed it for the Versys-X it's replacing (I was going to play them off against each other and pick the best, 200k in and I knew I was keeping the MT) The foot pegs aren't me, bring on the pivot pegs and the handguards are useless so budget for bark busters. Definitely loosen up the front end and release the fork striction, everyone I know that has is far happier. Now for some knobbies as I always over ride my ability and the front end feels just like my Africa Twin, begging for more bite from the tyres. All up, it's not the unicorn 🦄 but it's probably slept with it.
I love my 450 MT but fuelling is a pain on technical stuff
great review !
Nice review, “Thanks”. Too many people forget, when you live in a big city, you need a certain capacity to enable reasonable highway cruising to get you to the dirt roads in the first place. That capacity unfortunately, means a bit of extra weight. I had a couple of 300cc bikes, including a Honda CRF300 Rally and a BMW310GS, both lovely bikes, but not very good on the highway. If you want a super light bike, buy a dirt bike and trailer it to the dirt roads. Unfortunately most dirt bikes aren’t road legal and therefore can’t be used on any dirt road in Australia, (private property only). The 450 MT looks like a very good compromise.
Great little bike and great summuary as well. Thanks for the video. I am looking forward for a test ride. Currently not easy to get one here in Germany
did it come with the T-Box in OZ already ? I've seen a few customers around the world complaining they didn't get a TBox - so can't do their NAV connection - only China for now they all said ? I pick up my 450MT in a few days from the dealer - so my ears pricked up when I heard the TBox mentioned ...
I have a versys300 and i tested the 450mt. Better ergo on the 300. Better sound on the 450. A little more oumph on the 450 but not much. Way better fuelling on the 300. Will not swich bikes.
5.1/5.7 inch vs 8/8 inch suspension travel. If you don't feel it, you probably don't need it. However it's kinda big deal for others, you know...
@@szh4494 I agree. Plus spoke wheels and tubeless tires. Round torquey engine. The versys is a roadster disguised in trail.
Versys 400 (or 450) would be excellent.
I also had a Versys 300 for 6 years. Good on gravel roads, ton of fun on twisty sealed roads, surprisingly good as a lightweight tourer. Great fuel range. But...for adventure riding the suspension is a major problem. There's just not enough of it. The engine also becomes an issue - it has no low down torque. All power is above 8000 revs. In more technical stuff it is almost impossible to stay in the power band. And the seat is bloody awful! I have taken a 450MT for a test ride and I think it would be a far better all round bike. But, still too tall in the seat even on the low setting. I have a serious case of duck's disease 😞
I would take the MT450, I really like it, in my country the price is 5790€, I bought a 450SR-S for my son, which has the same engine, I can only say that you get a lot for the money. It drives great and I don't regret buying it.
There are some dealers close to me selling the Aprilia Tuareg 660 in 10K. Some others 11K Which one will you decide? CFMoto 450 10K or Aprilia Tuareg 660 10K ? 😁😁
No brainer, Aprilia for 10/11k is a steal.
It's more than double here in Australia. $23k
@@aldrinmarquez7136 That’s the price and it’s maybe the best mid trail. Better than a CF for the same price.
You guys are talking in different currencies🤣 You can get a Tuareg for 10k USD in US. You can also get a 450mt for 10k AUD in Australia. You flip that around a Tuareg will set you back 20k+ AUD in Australia, and a 450mt will be 6k+ USD in US.
@@szh4494 😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thanks to clarify!!! 🙏🏻
I’d love to see cfmoto making something like the ktm 690 enduro. With the twin engine, that would be something to ride 👌
The CF to me is a better looking bike so I would definitely go for this one 👌🏻🏴
Ordered the mt last week massive waiting list in the uk
I got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Europe. I bought it as the lighter, smaller displacement ADV bike. I have modified Rally 300 for the "dirt riding". The big miss for my riding, the short final gearing of the transmission. Around 120 kmh the engine spins at 7000 (8500 red line). I already installed 15t front sprocket, drops rpm 450 or so, but it is little less energetic on initial acceleration. The fueling off idle is shit. The rest of the bike is awesome.
You already answer my big question about this bike. So NO thank you. I’ll go for the Aprilia Tuareg 660 almost the same price and I’ll need the 6th gear after 130
@dawudgt Yep, the transmission is a big miss. Glad I could help. No one talks about this super short gearing. All reviews seem to be dirt oriented.
@@pawelwolski1316 It's pretty much known and most owners have changed to 15T and so did I, and yeah biggest issue is the fuelling which I hope the rumored new "map" will be available for all, last time i heard it was implemented for new zealand owners.
And this is the biggest problem with this bike it is geared to be an off-road bike but it's pushing 200kg wet. The weight is fine for on road and gravel touring but then the gearing is not suited for this riding. It looks good sounds great but its not going to be great either off-road or on road unless you like riding slow.
@green_genie Yep.....Good thing for me is that I like side roads, so 80-90 kmh is going fast. But sometimes u are stuck on a highway.........
You've ridden 5000ks on the 450 Himalayan? That is a lot considering its not been out for long. Or did you mean the 411?
Hey mate! We just recently rode the new one on a two week trip through Nepal and Tibet. It was quite the adventure. We'll have a video from that soon 👍
Epic, thanks for clarifying @@INFO_MOTO
@@INFO_MOTO Cant wait!
Well done Spencer! Getting busted up pretty bad with all the dirty action. Thanks for your presentation & input. It certainly is one of a contender for cheap bike of the year. Will be interested to see your team comparisons between the 450MT & the Himalayan! Cheers & rest up! You deserve a holiday
No rest for the wicked mate!! Thanks for your support as always ✌️
One thing to remember KTM and CF Moto are in a partnership. I will have to say though the 450mt is a nice looking bike.
And CF and Yamaha
Royal Enfield are owned by a tractor manufacturer.
You summed it up, “light weight adventure bike”. The bike is not light weight in the least however. Personally I don’t understand how people, and yourself mr reviewer, consider the cf moto not most comparable to the Honda NX 500. That’s the comparison that I want to see.
The NX500 is more expensive and more road-biased (19in front, alloy wheels, lower ground clearance, less suspension travel) than either of the 450s, which is why I don’t think it often gets included in comparisons. The 450MT is definitely more fun, but the NX500 is a Honda, for those who just want the established reliability. NX would probably be the best highway tourer among the three as well.
Cause they are not, the cf is a proper adv bike not like the 500 which is adventure touring .
CF 200 Kilo.
Another thing with Royal Enfield Australia is your warranty roadside assist entitles you to only 2 tows if you break down and the bike can’t be ridden. It put me off buying the 450 Himalayan. I ended up buying a Kawasaki Z650RS because no got it for an amazing price….. I miss being able to take those dirt roads.
How much?
In the UK, you get 4 years warranty with the 450MT and 8 years breakdown/recovery as long as you keep up with the service intervals at a CFMOTO dealer. What's not to like!!! Placed my order for the MT on Monday. Could be a long wait though. I already bought the 450NK back in March this year. Fantastic little bike with a very peppy engine.
I'd hold off till the end of the year until Kawasaki Versys 500 comes out. This could be a hybrid model too. Can't wait. But I got a feeling this bike would still be better as an overall package, and I'll buy the MT 450. That's ok too cause there would be more aftermarkets for it by then.
Versys 500 is never coming
@@falcn12 Kawasaki recently submitted a new ADV pattern under the 450 hybrid power plan. Leading to speculation of a new Versys Hybrid 500.
I don’t know if that bike will come and if will have the Ninja engine will be just a street bike with an adventure bike body. I have the Versys X 300 and I hate it.
Wow, in Europe it costs below 6000 Euro
6000 EURO = 9600 AUD. They are almost exactly the same price. Our dollar is much weaker than the Euro
In Denmark, it costs about €9400 😅
Peak HP and peak Torque doesn't mean shit if they are crap in the rest of the rpm range , silly goyim .
I’ve had mine for 6 weeks, test rode the RE450 the CF is better in every way. I have a 23 Africa twin also, the CF is a great little bike
This is an awesome review and video. We've currently got the 450MT in our workshop for R&D on some aftermarket parts and we are quite impressed with the build quality of this machine.
190kg plus wet. The rival is the Honda 450RL , 135kg .
Undoubtedly much better off road, but also a lot less comfortable on the highway though
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Fair enough …but remember part of bike riding is getting the adrenaline going in a safe manner. Having to limit your off road riding fun over off road bumps jumps and whoops because your bike is way too heavy , is a downer. Believe me I owned a Honda 300 rally ….fantastic all round bike …but it’s 150 plus kg wet weight , made things slower and less exciting than riding a lighter bike …so imagine 190 kg when you are pushing the pace off road. But if dirt roads and dry fire trails are your only excursions this may suffice. Just make. sure you can pick it up off the dirt….not so easy.
They are not comparable
Different bike segments 😂.
185 kg dry
Himalayan 450 is more beautiful bike and the Royal Enfield has a history the cf is totally new and unknown
CF has a long history and a partnership with KTM producing engines for them, plus they have good long warranties
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Well Bajaj in India has 47% something stake in KTM as well. They still make some crappy bikes
The RE is fugly.
CF MOTO makes engines for the KTM 790-890 range, mmm cam issue, no thanks. Only time will tell.
@@ashhash8973 Good point but the build quality of the CF motos is very high, and I mean they compete in Moto 2, I think they are capable of high quality. So far there are no horror stories of bad reliability (any more than is normal)