Which fitting kit did you have/used for the panniers as I'm looking for something like that for my bike too as I've got e41 panniers.
@dnt5volvo4 ай бұрын
lucky the road wasnt busy.. a car the opposite direction would have creased him.. didnt look that slippy..
@allanhughes78594 ай бұрын
Have ridden that rode since 1969 First bike being a Suzuki 80c.c. sport "now we are talking fast" "NOT" Not sure what happened there and not wishing to sound like a real dick why was that back wheel locked up ??? Like all the other comments riding in a group is not healthy unless you are all at the same which is never the case is it ? Also knowing the road helps.. Been out with others that know the road and nearly killed me self because I did not !! Anyway hope the fella got the message ???
@kmac58494 ай бұрын
If the highways dept have spent money on paint and signs, it’s for a reason, usually past serious injuries or fatalities. I hope he realises ,his riding needs a lot of work
@spd21825 ай бұрын
5:30 for those of you that can't wait for it. The rider was riding well above what he was capable of! Very lucky though. Get some track days in if you want to pound corners!
@smashd835 ай бұрын
100% m8, the corner is a bad one will catch you out ! But read the road ... simple as x
@christopherdooley93245 ай бұрын
He was able to stop, therefore he wasn’t going too fast for the road but he was going too fast for his own ability.
@fredburgessea49255 ай бұрын
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@Reclaim685 ай бұрын
What’s the road/route?
@smashd834 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, it the mac loop road
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
Nothing too radical but right from the off, all the ingredients for disaster were right there; poor positioning, TFF, too close, poor observation and that overtake on the white car was both too late and too close, not to mention totally illegal. The guy in the hi-vis rode quite well but the guy in black behind him rode like he wanted to die! To quote @RoadcraftNottingham "never put your front wheel anywhere your brain hasn't already been"!! Also, as @TeapotOne points out, councils will only spend money on road markings if a need has already been demonstrated - usually by someone making an unplanned exit from the road! Good that no-one was hurt and nothing was damaged (check his arse, never mind his heart!) but hopefully something was learned here and if not, look up everything I've mentioned above AND practise counter-steering. Might just save your life one day!! Also look up Limit Points...
@311445 ай бұрын
Lucky lad but did he even use his front brake ? Brave lads group riding, I gave that shit up years ago as there are always a couple of dickheads who nail it off in to the distance then expect everyone else to catch up, when you stop to re-group it's the inevitable "did you get lost" blah blah bollocks
@wradford15 ай бұрын
This is perfect example why the new riders need to learn trail braking and counter steering. Skills that would have avoided that close call.
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
Nobody needs trail braking on a public road - unless you're pretending to be a racer. Counter-steering - absolutely - and might well have saved it!
@wradford15 ай бұрын
@jonchilds1637 Wow, that's a worry Are you a new rider ? Every motorcycle rider needs to learn trail braking technique, and every experienced rider knows this. If you don't, you need to learn this technique. Because your life may depend on it.
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
@@wradford1 new rider? 51 years now so not really and qualified to RoSPA Gold standard (the highest level available in UK civilian life). I’ll stand by my comment thanks.
@wradford15 ай бұрын
@@jonchilds1637 What year did you achieve that level ?
@sefton19725 ай бұрын
Rear brake into the corner going in to hot. It happens in groups. Why I prefer solo or one good mate /rider.
@pamelaroberts35175 ай бұрын
One of my favourite roads , but by god he was sooooo bloody lucky,got to read those signs and act by them ! 😮
@douglasmckeown82775 ай бұрын
Came across a rider who was trying to keep up with the other guys, went wide on a corner and hit a car, tried to help before the ambulance arrived
@TedOConnor-hw4ge5 ай бұрын
Wtf ? Was this all about.
@233kosta5 ай бұрын
Oooh, someone did *not* look comfortable on the brakes 🤔
@martynh44145 ай бұрын
It also seemed to me that his tyres weren’t too great. Maybe decent tread but old rubber. What do others think about this aspect?
@marlo56715 ай бұрын
no shit rider
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
Entirely down to poor technique - nothing more.
@chrisbarron58615 ай бұрын
Thats the problem with braking when you need to be turning. His mid road entry was asking for trouble too
@notwocdivad5 ай бұрын
The perils of pack riding, You can be bimbling along at 60 at the front but due to the concertina effect the poor bloke at the back may be doing 80 or more to keep up. If you are not a totally able and confident rider do yourself a huge favour! DON'T RIDE IN A PACK!!!
@pauldunn95025 ай бұрын
Check your tyres, don't go to the minimum legal if riding like this.
@RichardSmallwood-du9qb5 ай бұрын
Slow into a corner with a blindish exit, once you can see the exit it's fast out ----- always!
@MrWindowman15 ай бұрын
agreed. tell this to them tour de France Lycra fuckers down country lanes getting in my way on a 3 mile road with lots of bends 3 a breast . if you want to seriously have a road trip from wales come to Matlock in derbyshire that will be an eye opener PS bikers can sometimes be just as bad as car drivers in my opinion as said Matlock Bath.
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
You'll always find at least one bellend at Matlock Bath!!
@drummerboy13905 ай бұрын
6:46 nearly did it again, only this time there’s a van coming.
@smashd835 ай бұрын
I'm a drummer
@drummerboy13905 ай бұрын
I’m a biker. I only have a car because the drums kept falling off the bike.
@henryairconcepts29995 ай бұрын
That country side looks so similar with New Zealand's. Our state highway asphalt is very coarse though not as smooth as yours
@falcopops5 ай бұрын
Lucky indeed. At least he's learnt a valuable lesson without any penalty.
@dominicspeirs89815 ай бұрын
It was on a corner like this where I met an American tourist driving on the wrong side of the road... on the same day I passed my test, luckily stopped just in time.
@munter105 ай бұрын
Guys obviously an inexperienced rider, he locked up his rear brake on that corner, not once, but 3 times in succession. I’d say target fixation as well as over braking… so lucky no oncoming traffic!!
@John-ob7dh5 ай бұрын
I did not see a smash ??
@angelaway99605 ай бұрын
Wales. Did anyone else notice? In the land where university students don’t pay for tuition and hospital parking is free , no pot holes!! Unlike, say, Devon where students pay over nine than a year and hospital parking charges are crippling, it’s road system is not only riddled with pot holes but in many places reduced to no better than dirt tracks.
@stefanmaslaczyk12595 ай бұрын
To really enjoy it, it’s best to use a small bike.
@Demun16495 ай бұрын
Broke the law. Don't solid white lines apply to bikes as well? Seeing the arrows should be an indicator to stay on your own side of the road.
@dat8r15 ай бұрын
Nice save buddy . Don't worry ! even Marquez had fallen in this curve . hahahaha
@fishingotheradventuresonke79965 ай бұрын
What is the initial “fucking hell that was close” for? Followed by an illegal overtake (solid white line) by the rider in front, who was later lucky to not have a serious RTC and followed by you possibly trying to not do an illegal overtake by staying within the solid white line whilst no more than a foot or two from the white car @ 4.33. Far too much pressure on riders (self inflicted?) to ride outside their skill level when riding in a group and not ride their own ride and this video highlights that brilliantly! 😏
@blackk1UK5 ай бұрын
The issue here is not group riding. There are plenty of solo riders who overcook corners, it's just that there is no one there to film it. The issue here is not looking where you want to go. The bike could easily have made that turn at the approach speed but the rider didn't look where they wanted to go, instead looking at where they didn't want to go. Get some training, understand how bikes and riders get around corners and practice.
@johnmyers84935 ай бұрын
Not a good idea 2 do a crash course in cornering anywhere like that ? Lucky as he was a few cornering tips is needed ! Safe riding lads ATB
@dennissmith2245 ай бұрын
Pretty bad motorcycle riding, these guy are an accident waiting to happen . I saw so many mistakes ! I have ridden motorbike since 16 years old ( I'm now 70) and a motorbike riding instructor (40 years) and IAM member . If you rely on luck don't ride a motorbike !
@malcolmmathers26905 ай бұрын
im a 45 + year rider i can tell you silly buggers if you want ride fast do it at track days not public rds
@smashd835 ай бұрын
Ride fast !!! I don't think so
@jonchilds16375 ай бұрын
@@smashd83 clearly over the limit by 1:20!
@philw40535 ай бұрын
Great scenery and what a road for a ride. Hope that fella learned his lesson - or the Darwin principle will catch up with him soon (stupidity kills quickly).
@manfredschmalbach90235 ай бұрын
Riding in groups has to follow some simple rules that often are not followed. Most important: The worst/slowest/least experienced driver absolutely mandatorily has to lead the group. Everybody has to go as slow as that slowest one, otherwise it becomes a death trap for the slow Joe. Overtaking as a group is complicated, even more so when cars and lorries should not "help" like the white car thankfully did exemplary. We created our own space for the overtaking group by slowing down and keeping a distance as space for more overtaking bikers in front of the vehicle unwilling to help with overtaking - sometimes they get really mad though, which can become extremely dangerous for a group - You can't get away simply by speed as a group in thick traffic, so to securely control the maddening four-wheeler is key. You can't go fast as a group, so don't try it. You have to answer for every single one of the group - don't try to not do that in case something ugly happens, like lost mirrors, dented doors or things like that. I don't do riding in groups of more than three any more by principle. It is not worth it. Call out a next rendez-vouz or meeting point two or three hours ahead and let everybody go there on their own - way more relaxed riding. Oh, and don't have any intercom for bike-group chit-chat, of course! - that's about as deadly as swiping Your phone in traffic as a four-wheeler.
@einionjones6445 ай бұрын
ARAF means slow do cont
@LemonDrizzleGang5 ай бұрын
I know that road very well, I think the corner tightening caught him out and he stamped the rear brake More experienced rider wouldnt have gone near the rear brake Your speed was not at all excessive for that road
@smashd835 ай бұрын
That's a crazy corner 😳
@LemonDrizzleGang5 ай бұрын
@@smashd83 it really isn’t, its just a bit tighter than the previous ones
@michaelscott3565 ай бұрын
Group riding is at once one of the most pleasurable yet most dangerous motorcycle activities you can participate in. It's fun because you are out doing what you love with like-minded people, presumably heading for a common destination where you will likely regale each other with the "victories" of the day, (beginning with simply staying alive in the face of 4-wheeler adversity) ... and any and all threats the road and possibly even the weather were able to throw at you. All this will be recounted, hopefully, with everyone safe and sound, either over a fine lunch, or maybe at the end of riding, with a couple of pints of beer. The dangerous part(s) of group riding come(s) when the "dynamics" of being in a group on the road brings all sorts of negative influences into the mix. The need to "keep up", (whether you or your bike are capable), the tendency to stay close (and ignore "normal /safe" following distances), the inclination to watch what the others in the group are doing, ahead and behind, (when you should be keeping a closer eye on your own circumstances), the natural inclination to "compete" (who wants to arrive last?!), and the overt exhilaration of just being "out there" with the gang. It's ALL quite capable of being a recipe for disaster, and frequently is. Be EXTRA, EXTRA CAREFUL when riding in GROUPS!
@smashd835 ай бұрын
100% agree my friend
@stevecam7245 ай бұрын
5:35 is he locking the rear tyre? Rookie move if he did..
@tombartram73845 ай бұрын
Sorry but what are we meant to be looking at?
@dontgetscrewed5 ай бұрын
Seen that corner claim a few skidmarks ,its relatively straight and fastish and thats the first real corner between there and the x foxes
@c0neyisland5 ай бұрын
Lucky chap! Lucky (and rare) that nothing was coming the opposite way.
@viktorroswell10415 ай бұрын
We all have a speed we are comfortable with, mine is 55mph
@stevemandeville41785 ай бұрын
I'm reading the comments and have to reply. Too many of you seem to think that incidents like this are unavoidable. "You freeze and all ability to maneuver is lost !" Etc. Not true. In almost all cases, the rider still has the ability to do many things, some good and some bad. But if they aren't practicing High Visual Horizon and actively training their brain in panic situations, this is the result. The corner wasn't tight, good pavement and a fairly clear sightline. I describe these kinds of events as "The rider crashed and took his bike with him" It takes time and effort to learn new behaviors for riding. Too few people seem to want to do the work.
@Arakiel715 ай бұрын
Wasnt like it was a surprise corner, road signs & floor slow markings gave him plenty of notice..pay more attention!
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Which fitting kit did you have/used for the panniers as I'm looking for something like that for my bike too as I've got e41 panniers.
lucky the road wasnt busy.. a car the opposite direction would have creased him.. didnt look that slippy..
Have ridden that rode since 1969 First bike being a Suzuki 80c.c. sport "now we are talking fast" "NOT" Not sure what happened there and not wishing to sound like a real dick why was that back wheel locked up ??? Like all the other comments riding in a group is not healthy unless you are all at the same which is never the case is it ? Also knowing the road helps.. Been out with others that know the road and nearly killed me self because I did not !! Anyway hope the fella got the message ???
If the highways dept have spent money on paint and signs, it’s for a reason, usually past serious injuries or fatalities. I hope he realises ,his riding needs a lot of work
5:30 for those of you that can't wait for it. The rider was riding well above what he was capable of! Very lucky though. Get some track days in if you want to pound corners!
100% m8, the corner is a bad one will catch you out ! But read the road ... simple as x
He was able to stop, therefore he wasn’t going too fast for the road but he was going too fast for his own ability.
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What’s the road/route?
Hi Ian, it the mac loop road
Nothing too radical but right from the off, all the ingredients for disaster were right there; poor positioning, TFF, too close, poor observation and that overtake on the white car was both too late and too close, not to mention totally illegal. The guy in the hi-vis rode quite well but the guy in black behind him rode like he wanted to die! To quote @RoadcraftNottingham "never put your front wheel anywhere your brain hasn't already been"!! Also, as @TeapotOne points out, councils will only spend money on road markings if a need has already been demonstrated - usually by someone making an unplanned exit from the road! Good that no-one was hurt and nothing was damaged (check his arse, never mind his heart!) but hopefully something was learned here and if not, look up everything I've mentioned above AND practise counter-steering. Might just save your life one day!! Also look up Limit Points...
Lucky lad but did he even use his front brake ? Brave lads group riding, I gave that shit up years ago as there are always a couple of dickheads who nail it off in to the distance then expect everyone else to catch up, when you stop to re-group it's the inevitable "did you get lost" blah blah bollocks
This is perfect example why the new riders need to learn trail braking and counter steering. Skills that would have avoided that close call.
Nobody needs trail braking on a public road - unless you're pretending to be a racer. Counter-steering - absolutely - and might well have saved it!
@jonchilds1637 Wow, that's a worry Are you a new rider ? Every motorcycle rider needs to learn trail braking technique, and every experienced rider knows this. If you don't, you need to learn this technique. Because your life may depend on it.
@@wradford1 new rider? 51 years now so not really and qualified to RoSPA Gold standard (the highest level available in UK civilian life). I’ll stand by my comment thanks.
@@jonchilds1637 What year did you achieve that level ?
Rear brake into the corner going in to hot. It happens in groups. Why I prefer solo or one good mate /rider.
One of my favourite roads , but by god he was sooooo bloody lucky,got to read those signs and act by them ! 😮
Came across a rider who was trying to keep up with the other guys, went wide on a corner and hit a car, tried to help before the ambulance arrived
Wtf ? Was this all about.
Oooh, someone did *not* look comfortable on the brakes 🤔
It also seemed to me that his tyres weren’t too great. Maybe decent tread but old rubber. What do others think about this aspect?
no shit rider
Entirely down to poor technique - nothing more.
Thats the problem with braking when you need to be turning. His mid road entry was asking for trouble too
The perils of pack riding, You can be bimbling along at 60 at the front but due to the concertina effect the poor bloke at the back may be doing 80 or more to keep up. If you are not a totally able and confident rider do yourself a huge favour! DON'T RIDE IN A PACK!!!
Check your tyres, don't go to the minimum legal if riding like this.
Slow into a corner with a blindish exit, once you can see the exit it's fast out ----- always!
agreed. tell this to them tour de France Lycra fuckers down country lanes getting in my way on a 3 mile road with lots of bends 3 a breast . if you want to seriously have a road trip from wales come to Matlock in derbyshire that will be an eye opener PS bikers can sometimes be just as bad as car drivers in my opinion as said Matlock Bath.
You'll always find at least one bellend at Matlock Bath!!
6:46 nearly did it again, only this time there’s a van coming.
I'm a drummer
I’m a biker. I only have a car because the drums kept falling off the bike.
That country side looks so similar with New Zealand's. Our state highway asphalt is very coarse though not as smooth as yours
Lucky indeed. At least he's learnt a valuable lesson without any penalty.
It was on a corner like this where I met an American tourist driving on the wrong side of the road... on the same day I passed my test, luckily stopped just in time.
Guys obviously an inexperienced rider, he locked up his rear brake on that corner, not once, but 3 times in succession. I’d say target fixation as well as over braking… so lucky no oncoming traffic!!
I did not see a smash ??
Wales. Did anyone else notice? In the land where university students don’t pay for tuition and hospital parking is free , no pot holes!! Unlike, say, Devon where students pay over nine than a year and hospital parking charges are crippling, it’s road system is not only riddled with pot holes but in many places reduced to no better than dirt tracks.
To really enjoy it, it’s best to use a small bike.
Broke the law. Don't solid white lines apply to bikes as well? Seeing the arrows should be an indicator to stay on your own side of the road.
Nice save buddy . Don't worry ! even Marquez had fallen in this curve . hahahaha
What is the initial “fucking hell that was close” for? Followed by an illegal overtake (solid white line) by the rider in front, who was later lucky to not have a serious RTC and followed by you possibly trying to not do an illegal overtake by staying within the solid white line whilst no more than a foot or two from the white car @ 4.33. Far too much pressure on riders (self inflicted?) to ride outside their skill level when riding in a group and not ride their own ride and this video highlights that brilliantly! 😏
The issue here is not group riding. There are plenty of solo riders who overcook corners, it's just that there is no one there to film it. The issue here is not looking where you want to go. The bike could easily have made that turn at the approach speed but the rider didn't look where they wanted to go, instead looking at where they didn't want to go. Get some training, understand how bikes and riders get around corners and practice.
Not a good idea 2 do a crash course in cornering anywhere like that ? Lucky as he was a few cornering tips is needed ! Safe riding lads ATB
Pretty bad motorcycle riding, these guy are an accident waiting to happen . I saw so many mistakes ! I have ridden motorbike since 16 years old ( I'm now 70) and a motorbike riding instructor (40 years) and IAM member . If you rely on luck don't ride a motorbike !
im a 45 + year rider i can tell you silly buggers if you want ride fast do it at track days not public rds
Ride fast !!! I don't think so
@@smashd83 clearly over the limit by 1:20!
Great scenery and what a road for a ride. Hope that fella learned his lesson - or the Darwin principle will catch up with him soon (stupidity kills quickly).
Riding in groups has to follow some simple rules that often are not followed. Most important: The worst/slowest/least experienced driver absolutely mandatorily has to lead the group. Everybody has to go as slow as that slowest one, otherwise it becomes a death trap for the slow Joe. Overtaking as a group is complicated, even more so when cars and lorries should not "help" like the white car thankfully did exemplary. We created our own space for the overtaking group by slowing down and keeping a distance as space for more overtaking bikers in front of the vehicle unwilling to help with overtaking - sometimes they get really mad though, which can become extremely dangerous for a group - You can't get away simply by speed as a group in thick traffic, so to securely control the maddening four-wheeler is key. You can't go fast as a group, so don't try it. You have to answer for every single one of the group - don't try to not do that in case something ugly happens, like lost mirrors, dented doors or things like that. I don't do riding in groups of more than three any more by principle. It is not worth it. Call out a next rendez-vouz or meeting point two or three hours ahead and let everybody go there on their own - way more relaxed riding. Oh, and don't have any intercom for bike-group chit-chat, of course! - that's about as deadly as swiping Your phone in traffic as a four-wheeler.
ARAF means slow do cont
I know that road very well, I think the corner tightening caught him out and he stamped the rear brake More experienced rider wouldnt have gone near the rear brake Your speed was not at all excessive for that road
That's a crazy corner 😳
@@smashd83 it really isn’t, its just a bit tighter than the previous ones
Group riding is at once one of the most pleasurable yet most dangerous motorcycle activities you can participate in. It's fun because you are out doing what you love with like-minded people, presumably heading for a common destination where you will likely regale each other with the "victories" of the day, (beginning with simply staying alive in the face of 4-wheeler adversity) ... and any and all threats the road and possibly even the weather were able to throw at you. All this will be recounted, hopefully, with everyone safe and sound, either over a fine lunch, or maybe at the end of riding, with a couple of pints of beer. The dangerous part(s) of group riding come(s) when the "dynamics" of being in a group on the road brings all sorts of negative influences into the mix. The need to "keep up", (whether you or your bike are capable), the tendency to stay close (and ignore "normal /safe" following distances), the inclination to watch what the others in the group are doing, ahead and behind, (when you should be keeping a closer eye on your own circumstances), the natural inclination to "compete" (who wants to arrive last?!), and the overt exhilaration of just being "out there" with the gang. It's ALL quite capable of being a recipe for disaster, and frequently is. Be EXTRA, EXTRA CAREFUL when riding in GROUPS!
100% agree my friend
5:35 is he locking the rear tyre? Rookie move if he did..
Sorry but what are we meant to be looking at?
Seen that corner claim a few skidmarks ,its relatively straight and fastish and thats the first real corner between there and the x foxes
Lucky chap! Lucky (and rare) that nothing was coming the opposite way.
We all have a speed we are comfortable with, mine is 55mph
I'm reading the comments and have to reply. Too many of you seem to think that incidents like this are unavoidable. "You freeze and all ability to maneuver is lost !" Etc. Not true. In almost all cases, the rider still has the ability to do many things, some good and some bad. But if they aren't practicing High Visual Horizon and actively training their brain in panic situations, this is the result. The corner wasn't tight, good pavement and a fairly clear sightline. I describe these kinds of events as "The rider crashed and took his bike with him" It takes time and effort to learn new behaviors for riding. Too few people seem to want to do the work.
Wasnt like it was a surprise corner, road signs & floor slow markings gave him plenty of notice..pay more attention!
5.41 - clean underpants required!