Riding in groups is dangerous if you are a slow rider by nature, trying to keep up is deadly, don't do it, never let anyone else dictate your speed either from a group ride or a cage pushing to get past you, just ease to the left and let them go. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

@juanclavel644

7 ай бұрын

Lo mejor que he leído en los comentarios..😊

@frankmlchaelglasscock6539

7 ай бұрын

Big time 👌💯👍

@GranthamAtHome

7 ай бұрын

Agree. Only ride in a group where the slowest person dictates the pace. Save racing for the track.

@pdtech4524

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, put the slowest rider at the front, nothing worse than being pressured to ride faster than you're comfortable with especially on an unfamiliar road⚠️🤔😲

@ccahill2322

6 ай бұрын

@@GranthamAtHome, These guys are idiots. Especially the idiot on the "cruiser" a would-be cowboy on a bike that's not much use in a straight line, never mind around bends. I estimate 100kms per hour which is stupid on those roads.

I'm pleased to see that nothing bad happened. I would comment that this is why I'm not at all keen on riding in groups. I was watching this right from the start thinking that the pace was a bit too fast given the limited view and the tightness of the bends. I would add my voice to the call to "Slow down" and enjoy the scenery.

@robinwells8879

6 ай бұрын

Always place the slower riders and I would unashamedly include myself in that category, at the front to set the pace for the TEAM. That and you’re absolutely right, you’re there for the scenery and not to race. Track days are where you race so you don’t endanger or inconvenience others. We live in puritanical times and we must not supply the ammunition for the Karens to use against our beloved pass time.

@paulcarter2907

6 ай бұрын

It's about discipline and knowledge..Bearing in mind this guy is commenting on other riders way, I saw glaring unnecessary mistakes all round, including speed limits...

@233kosta

5 ай бұрын

Yeh, doesn't going blazing fast sort of defeat the purpose of going to a nice scenic place instead of a race track? I mean at that point you're laser focused (or at least you should be) on the road ahead. Doesn't leave much time to enjoy your surroundings 🤔

We’ve all done it. It was the blight of my youthful biking career forty years ago. Sure enough, I experienced it again when I became a born again biker! We psych ourselves out when arriving at a corner that we weren’t expecting and we freeze and go rigid. All ability to manoeuvre is lost. He did really well to stay up and Lady Luck was definitely riding pillion that day. The experience of miles under the belt and being placed at the front of the group where you can set the group pace are the cure. Ride your own ride and soak up the stunning scenery. You’re touring and not racing. ❤

@slider3215

5 ай бұрын

Indeed...the freezing up...as you say, we have all done it.

Bikers complain of cars not giving them enough room, but this video shows how not to ride responsibly lol, close overtake to car on double white line, the bike that nearly came a cropper on the bend was lucky there was nothing coming the other way

@jvtaxi3766

6 ай бұрын

Absolute nonsense

@edwardwest5035

5 ай бұрын

It most certainly is not.@@jvtaxi3766

@johnmc7587

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely not he skimmed past that car on a solid white line which could of caused the driver to panick.

Lucky fella! Advanced training would help him learn about road positioning for a start. Some track riding instruction would also help in understanding how to relax on the bars and counter steer and teach him some visual skills. The camera man’s overtaking past that white car early on was also pretty dire - left no room for the car driver to potentially veer to the right.

@jimjoelliejack

7 ай бұрын

I’m a retired paramedic and advanced rider, still riding, I was amazed by the riders road positioning, it hardly changed all through the ride, I also think he was oblivious to the road marking and warnings. The overtaking was very suspect as well.

@catchagoogoo1

7 ай бұрын

If you can touch when you’re overtaking you’re far too close eh! Terrible road positioning and as you say, their riding didn’t change at all to the hazards around them. Stay safe guys - and check out some motojitsu or something! 👍

@davidmatthews3093

6 ай бұрын

He needs basic training not advanced training. He had no control over what he was doing on that corner. Bizarre.

@clifficus

6 ай бұрын

The front brake works better than the back brake, 😂 rookie mistake. Very lucky to be still alive, could’ve been a head on OR over the Armco. Time to change your knickers and get some advanced training.

Been riding forty plus years and I was thinking about it today, out on my own, that I generally hate riding with other people.They have to be pretty special to make a ride out more enjoyable than being on my own. Most people end up being competitive and a pita

@alexmorgan3435

7 ай бұрын

Whether you ride in a group or on your own you should be able to ride safely and this guy can't. He needs to do some further training. It might save his life.

@bwghall1

7 ай бұрын

I have just packed up riding as I am 85, like riding on my own, I can still ride BUT! if my bike falls over in a layby I cannot pick Bike up. back probs, also so many folk these day have no road manners, if you talk to them they declare they are good drivers, they are kidding themselves average at best. when you have been riding for 65 years I have seen it all, Safe riding guys Briddy UK.

@xpresscolourart5531

6 ай бұрын

Bikers are like surfers We have our own small crew of guys who can really do well and stick together so everyone knows that everyone else is competent with the pace That’s why random guys cannot just ( tag along ) and are not welcome as it’s just too dangerous If your slower go out with the slow guys and learn gradually and one day you will get to go out with the more experienced guys It takes years of practice with guys more experienced that will allow newer guys to gradually gain skill and confidence Anyone that thinks they can jump on a litre bike nowadays and hang with the faster guys is entirely deluded and are gonna go down ☠️

@highdownmartin

6 ай бұрын

@@bwghall1 get an outfit mate. Still loads of fun

@chrisbell5032

6 ай бұрын

I have a friend, I do hold as special, who mostly lead,(kept me in check) and somehow leaned less than me on a worse bike (I don't ride now) we used to be in perfect harmony, in the tight bends where the gap lessened (Peak District hairpins (known like the back of...) you could here the exhaust note, one then the other accelerate, it was like music, (std exhausts,less noticed) great times, but def didn't like more than us 2. My brother in law kept passing us on the straight on his cx650 turbo, but come the bends,,, creating dis-harmony.Have fun.

There's a few things here. Firstly, I don't think the speed was excessive but the rider brakes like that bend just suddenly appeared when it was clearly visible from a way away. He is central in his lane when he could have been using the road position more to get better visibility approaching each bend. The biggest mistake was using the back brake. When he feels he's approaching a bend that's too sharp for his speed, he stabs on the back brake (5.36) which immediately skids. This then panics him as he lost control and he stamps back on the back brake which puts it back into a skid and again he is out of control with the back of the bike just sliding out on the skidding tyre. He is very lucky there wasn't an oncoming vehicle. Back brakes are good for controlling speed at low speeds, u-turns, filtering etc When moving at speed, as you brake, your weight and the bikes weight moves to the front. There is very little weight, if any at all, pressing the rear wheel onto the tarmac. In fact, if you watch racers braking hard, often the rear wheel is not on the floor at all. Without any force, the rubber doesn't grip into the tarmac, it just skims across it as seen here. This rider should, without question do some advanced rider training like IAM. It's very in expensive and will save his life. It was pure chance he wasn't killed. If they'd been 5 seconds further ahead he'd have met one of those 2 cars they'd just passed. 5 seconds from death.

@graemelatimer7904

6 ай бұрын

Also, his position on right handers is all wrong....too close to the white line. He has a whole road to work with, use it. Also, the guy with the camera overtakes coming to a sloid white so rather than hang back, he overtakes the car on it's side of the road...again, poor. Having said that, we all go beyond our capabilities sometimes and get things wrong, it's all about learning, but you can't do that while eating hospital food. Riding too close in a group leads to target fixation on the bike in front, so usually 1 makes a mistake, others tend to follow.

Wow didn’t give that white car too much room close ride safe

@dstev55

6 ай бұрын

Yeah that was poor

this is one group that would benefit hugely from advanced training!

@MrWhothefoxthat

6 ай бұрын

yea, then they can really go crazy, been there and done it, you can't beat riding in a group of no more than 4.

@malcolmemsley5909

5 ай бұрын

Agree. No way were they doing 40mph through that 40 zone, then they reached the national limit and the speed hardly picked up so that proved it to me. At first I thought it was just that it looked faster due to being a video. I challenge myself riding by watching for hazards and dealing with them, we can all make a mistake.

He's going to fast for his riding skills. He didn't attempt to bank the bike. You need a word with him

@AHoundOnAHonda

6 ай бұрын

Unless he plans to stop eating, he's not going to fast. He's going *_too_* fast.

@codyjarrett9685

6 ай бұрын

Smart arse@@AHoundOnAHonda

@AHoundOnAHonda

6 ай бұрын

​@@codyjarrett9685 Nah... just literate! 😉

@codyjarrett9685

6 ай бұрын

Literate. LOL. So what does Nah meah@@AHoundOnAHonda

@AHoundOnAHonda

6 ай бұрын

@@codyjarrett9685 What's a "meah"?

Did that my self, unfortunately a tipper lorry was on the other side of a tight bend and we collided. I bounced of the safety rails then the handle bars of my bike got caught and the bike went the same way as the lorry and I went the other way. Result was broken fingers and wrist, if I had gone under the wheels it would have been game over. Please take care.😢

@jasperbarlow2582

7 ай бұрын

I think he controlled that lock-up rear slide quite well, could easily have panicked and either dropped it, or, backed off the brake and hit the barrier, got out of a self inflicted situation quite well, we have a lot of tight bends in county durham where i live and have been caught out making similar maneouvres in the past.

@roadwarrior8560

6 ай бұрын

You sill riding mate?

That looked like a rider going beyond his abilities and not reading the road at all! The giveaway should have been the "SLOW" markings with red borders, which gives a clue that they really do mean "slow down now". Given the ground clearance that bike has there's no way he should not have got round that bend!

He looked frightened to death to lean it around the corner needs to read the signs

@griswald7156

7 ай бұрын

Bends are where the diesel spills out of the tanks…dont bank it on a bend after a filling station..unless you want a corrugated tank and helmet..down one side..

@dstev55

6 ай бұрын

​@@griswald7156it was miles after the filling station 😂

@Puddingtops

6 ай бұрын

He looks tense. A rider with at least 3 inches of chicken strips on his tyres .

@griswald7156

6 ай бұрын

@@Puddingtops KFC tyres…

This was fantastic to watch. It reminded me of the many times I've hooned it around North Wales. I need to move back to the North West.

A beautiful spot, pleased you all got home safely.

I have never seen finer roads for motorcycle riding in my life and the landscape is got to be some of the most beautiful in the world you guys got it made out there in Wales that’s motorcycle country I hope you see some more posted by you guys great job keep up the great work

@munter10

5 ай бұрын

I think you need to ride NZ if you wanna see magnificent scenery and challenging roads!

Lovely road. I love the right and left hander just before the right turn down to Bala .

The overtake on the white polo was bad reading of the road. Also poor observation

@tonyford6441

7 ай бұрын

i thought that, should've crossed the solid line or waited. poor choice

@davep9528

6 ай бұрын

@@tonyford6441 Thought he did cross the solid white- so a 3 pointer

Done a lot of miles in groups. Its usually where these things happen most. Now happier having the occasional day out and always solo.

Read the road signs.

Done snowdonia last year, still got the video to make myself, lovely roads apart from that new 20mph enforcement recently brought in! Glad the lad wasn’t hurt….. see a lot of comments from people talking about riding in groups and feeling pressured to keep up! Been there, done that! Nearly took myself out trying to keep up with lads when I started riding, inexperienced with a fast bike = disaster! Done a lot of solo riding after that incident! But 90% of my runs now are with a regular bunch of guys where we all know each others styles of riding, the guy at the front holds a good pace, there is no pressure to keep up cause the guys will slow if someone starts to fall behind, and if someone knows the road and wants a scratch then they will blast on ahead and wait further down the road! Best advise for any rider - never ride passed ur capabilities

Nice vid. I ride in groups and with known riders and we agree to ride to a code: a leader who does just that, a ‘sweep’ who is always at the rear, second man drop off (so there is no pressure on slower riders to keep up), observe speed limits, encourage advanced training such as ROSPA or IAM. As an alternative to second man drop off we also use ‘back marker’ where each rider maintains vision of the rider behind them. This means the group rides at the slowest riders pace. Another risk I see in group rides is when passing or being passed by other groups. Egos can get in the way.

@rcraven1013

7 ай бұрын

I don't think that advanced riding is what these guys were doing do you? If they are advanced riders then anyone of them should have their certificates revoked for the way in which they ride and also break the law.

@spudgunson

7 ай бұрын

I’m just saying what the group I ride with does. I’d always encourage any rider to take additional training.

@rcraven1013

7 ай бұрын

@@spudgunson I totally agree with you. my argument is not with you but its the state of mind of those riders in the video that is suspect. Does nothing to promote motorcycling , safety or bikers in any way.

@TK-cl1jm

6 ай бұрын

I've never been part of a group ride larger than 3. What is "second man drop off?"

@spudgunson

6 ай бұрын

@@TK-cl1jmthe lead rider will signal to the rider immediately behind him to stop (in a safe place) and direct following riders which way to go. He will do this until he sees the sweep and then pulls out in front of the sweep. The sweep always remains at the back of the group. On a long ride, most if not all riders will be dropped to direct the rest of the group. Hope this makes sense 👍

He actually controlled that locked -up rear slide quite well. We have a road in the north pennines known as the hartside pass, similar to this in many ways but maybe even tighter.After a lot of practice i could slide my busa in to some corners ( intentionally) like this but, only having being caught out many times previously.

@davidmatthews3093

6 ай бұрын

But why was he in a locked up slide in the first place? Poor riding caught on camera.

@markperry222

6 ай бұрын

@@davidmatthews3093 My immediate thought was too much back brake. Maybe due to a bit of panic. Whenever I bought a new bike, I always used to practice hard braking, to see what my stoppers were capable of. Start gentle and then progressively harder.

@jasperbarlow2582

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, you have answered your own question.@@davidmatthews3093

@jasperbarlow2582

6 ай бұрын

A number of factors methinks, downhill section, left hand turn and possibly off camber, also too much front brake can make the rear end unload a lot of weight which makes it more susceptible to lock -up. This was the case in my own experience.@@markperry222

Hi, I’d be interested to know what helmetcam you used. Amazing clarity and good field of view. thanks in advance

It was on a corner like this where I met an American tourist driving on the wrong side of the road... on the same day I passed my test, luckily stopped just in time.

Out and about and steady, way to go bro 🙂

Group riding is at once one of the most pleasurable yet most dangerous motorcycle activities you can participate in. It's fun because you are out doing what you love with like-minded people, presumably heading for a common destination where you will likely regale each other with the "victories" of the day, (beginning with simply staying alive in the face of 4-wheeler adversity) ... and any and all threats the road and possibly even the weather were able to throw at you. All this will be recounted, hopefully, with everyone safe and sound, either over a fine lunch, or maybe at the end of riding, with a couple of pints of beer. The dangerous part(s) of group riding come(s) when the "dynamics" of being in a group on the road brings all sorts of negative influences into the mix. The need to "keep up", (whether you or your bike are capable), the tendency to stay close (and ignore "normal /safe" following distances), the inclination to watch what the others in the group are doing, ahead and behind, (when you should be keeping a closer eye on your own circumstances), the natural inclination to "compete" (who wants to arrive last?!), and the overt exhilaration of just being "out there" with the gang. It's ALL quite capable of being a recipe for disaster, and frequently is. Be EXTRA, EXTRA CAREFUL when riding in GROUPS!

@smashd83

6 ай бұрын

100% agree my friend

Target fixation. On the wrong target

Fixation, bike goes where the eyes go.

I know the road well, beautiful for a bike, but as we saw, needs respect, I believe the rider was having to ride past his comfort zone, Also the rider with the camera was not good in relation to the solid white line and overtake, Careful guys, enjoy your ride

Z750 or z1000, perfect machine( besides a ktm supermoto like mine) to rear wheel slide into a corner, bit on the heavy side maybe.

Fear...he should have made that bend no problem. Braking locks your steering Learn to trail brake.

@volt8684

7 ай бұрын

Just read this soz have posted above about trail braking wasnt stealing yr thinder

no point putting the rear brake on, two wrongs don't make it right, he can only thank his guardian angel nothing was coming, we've all been there.

@johna6968

7 ай бұрын

Could have been gravel, anything really. I'd rather lose the rear than the front.

@volt8684

7 ай бұрын

Great save under the circs as beyond that skinny barrier is a 500ft drop😮

One of the problems with group rides - different skill levels. Could see his sensible unwillingness to try to keep up from the start.

@terrykillip8504

7 ай бұрын

I agree that’s why I always go out on my own

@silverdale3207

7 ай бұрын

Not always different skill levels, as I've found out in traffic as tail end charlie you end up doing the highest max speeds as you get stuck behind cars then have to go faster than the lead to catch up or make riskier than normal passing moves. I don't like group rides for that reason unless you ride with like minded people, I tend to say I'm not going to take stupid risks to keep up so I'll see you up the road when you stop.

Wow but his line was a mile out on the bend before that one which threw him out but seeing that back brake applied tells you everything It’s literally suicidal even touching the back brake in that situation but he got away with it 😮

@55ablebof

6 ай бұрын

Yes wrong line , & probably in too high a gear. Road signs had indicated twisties ahead.

Wasnt like it was a surprise corner, road signs & floor slow markings gave him plenty of notice..pay more attention!

Nice save buddy . Don't worry ! even Marquez had fallen in this curve . hahahaha

Plenty of information readily available as they came up to that potential hazard 4 sets of warnings, Road markings and street furniture signs, also road positioning was not great, doing an advanced ride course will help.

Those bends over Bwlch yr Oerddrws are torture and they spring up on you when you're heading south, not so bad going north because you're climbing the hill.

One of my favourite roads , but by god he was sooooo bloody lucky,got to read those signs and act by them ! 😮

I’ve never seen the enjoyment in these group rides. They remind me of a kindergarten ski-school.

Common error on left hand bends, braking on the bend can be fatal. Prepare yourself NOT to touch the brakes, just lean inside the bike, you can always lean further, and get round faster, than you think you can.

Is this going into brick beach Aberystwyth?

Classic loss of concentration… road warnings were all there, chevrons etc.. took the wrong line out from the first hairpin which kept him to the near side of the second hairpin… reducing speed and keeping to the right of centre , in your lane, would’ve been a doddle and ultimately got through the bend smoother 👍, we’ve all been there and every days a learning day lol…. Stay safe and shiny side up 👍👍

I ride and drive this route twice a month every month from Brum to Fairbourne to see family ride in the summer drive in the winter your man was so lucky most of the oncoming traffic and people you blast past are either going to be tourists with no idea or residents most over 60 with no idea either way its no wonder the Heddlu love nicking bikers before they have to scrape them off the road and believe me if you think the english nhs is bad try wales stop white lining and riding like your at the isle of man

That country side looks so similar with New Zealand's. Our state highway asphalt is very coarse though not as smooth as yours

Just lack of experience the main thing is he's safe, I don't like riding out in groups I just like to stick to my own skill level and I much more enjoy it that way, ride for yourself guys and girls

Lucky indeed. At least he's learnt a valuable lesson without any penalty.

He bailed out on taking the corner, then got on the brakes like a mad man. Locking up rears is never good.

can you please state what road in wales your riding...look brilliant

@favourites96

6 ай бұрын

A470 just down from Cross Foxes pub

All that beautiful Welsh countryside just flashing by. Should slow down and take it all in. That guy was lucky.

@kevinobrien1259

5 ай бұрын

Quite agree, ride with time to look around, if you want to race become a racer not a wannabe racer

This is Mid Wales not North Wales. The rider was indeed a lucky chap as there wasn't an uncoming vehicle. He appeared to be riding too fast for his ability, a combination which could have been disastrous. It's okay to laugh at his mistake, and we've all made them but he might benifit from a safe rider/advanced course. All the information for that road was available but he didn't react to it. Ride safe chaps

@Fig330

6 ай бұрын

As an Anglesey lad, my first thought was the same as yours - This isn't any part of North Wales that I recognise! 🤣 Mach loop, lads. Lovely ride. Ride safe.

@ce17ec

6 ай бұрын

It was clear from the start of the video he was not a good and experienced rider. Was making lots of corrections in the corners and was now driving above his comfort zone. This is why riding in groups is so dangerous.

@stevebakermedia

6 ай бұрын

Wrong! That defo IS north Wales! thats the road from Dolgellau to Dinas Mawddwy the A 470, I know it well!

@philpaterson

6 ай бұрын

​@@Fig330Ride starts in Dolgellau (Gwynedd), that's North Wales to me, although ends in Mid- Wales. Lucky no traffic and lucky to stay on.

@Puddingtops

6 ай бұрын

5:32 After following this guy to this point you can see he’s really tense with no fluidity to his riding which inevitably ends up running wide . Good job nothing was coming his way.

The lad doing the panic-stamp needs to get some lessons before he loses some bark or the odd limb. Three lots of "SLOW", painted on the road, plus a dozen warning signs, then a bunch of chevrons, all taken together, are a hint that a bit of care might be needed. Lol

look at where you want to be not where you are, lucky there was no cage in the other lane👍 what a great rout.

I reckon Ace Boy was in too high a gear and could not control the corner. Too many riders try and "baby" the revs, but in fact, those higher revs are there for a reason - control. 2/3 of red-line is a good place to keep the revs when riding twisties.

@dstev55

6 ай бұрын

I've got friends that ride their bike like a diesel car. I really don't get it.

@N269

6 ай бұрын

@@dstev55 I've a "newer"'van, uses AdBlue..... I try and rev that sucker as often as practicably possible to get the EGR/DPF working.... Not same as riding, but, 2 deaths at Brandywell corner (within 7 days - open roads) because the riders were too high a gear on that left corner. Your friends may be riding a wheelchair (or worse) if they're not learning.... just sayin'

@jonchilds1637

5 ай бұрын

The guy at my local Dynojet centre summed it up neatly for me; "depends whether you're going to ride it like a four or a big v-twin..." and I suddenly realised that was exactly what I'd been doing with my FJR! Also my RoSPA tutor said basically the same when I mentioned it 'getting away from me' on stretches of downhill turns. Lower gear = higher revs = more stable bike!!

Lucky chap! Lucky (and rare) that nothing was coming the opposite way.

that why i ride alone as when you are in groups your bravado steps up a notch and puts you in danger

A touch of counter steer and drop it in. Instead of staying upright. Needs more experience methinks. Best of luck matey.🙂

Group rides, the downfall of many a rider being pulled along 😊, thank god he’s all good🙏

@frankmlchaelglasscock6539

7 ай бұрын

Bad news group riding

Lots of nice scenery. Did something happen? I got bored of the grass going past after about 5 minutes. Cows and sheep find grass very interesting. I find it gets boring after 45 seconds. . .

Really bad riding, there were enough chevrons, signs and road markings to land a Jumbo Jet, yet he still reacted like a Fentanyl user. Always cover the clutch and front brake, trail brake into corners and leave the rear brake alone - easy if you ride an RSV. They weren't going fast, dry road and that bike will stop on a sixpence with the front brakes - tell him to give the Lakes a miss for his own safety!

😮what speed were you doing in the 40mph zone? Perfect place for plod to dish out points and fines

@philyew3617

6 ай бұрын

And in Wales they just love doing that.

Came across a rider who was trying to keep up with the other guys, went wide on a corner and hit a car, tried to help before the ambulance arrived

A larger group of mixed abilities can create some challenges. Glad he was okay, perhaps needs a course of instruction.

I've been out with groups whose skills (or williness to take risks!) are far higher than mine, and it's pretty unpleasant. Right from the off though the guy on the Kawasaki look ill at ease, very stiff and all over the road. I hope he took this as a hint that some further training might be an idea.

l used to group ride here in Spain....l was always pleased when only a few turned up as l grew to dislike riding in larger groups..now only ride with one other Biker. We take turns to lead. The fella was damn fortunate nothing was coming from the opposite direction, a Boy Racer or another biker...The road wasn't particular twisty....He got caught out because he didn't read the warning road signs. He should have slowed down, taken a wider entry and given himself some 'wriggle' room., but I'm sure he knows that now...if not he should give up being a biker..

Did he not see the road signs? ,steep hill down plus bends.

Was there sand or something on that bend that forced him to stand bike up a bit and go straight. I see rear tyre lock up but I thought he knocked back a gear for the corner and it slid a bit in sand? Lucky no one come in other lane. I must say i am never much of a group rider but if group is spaced out ( haha, no not drugs) and people ride their own ride with out pressure to compete or speed its better.

Re-wtched that corner at half-speed; he locked rear wheel just before the corner, then couldnt steer, panicked and locked on. As others have said, approach right of lane centre on front brake, counter steer and trail brake - would have made that easy. I remember feeling that stiff on my first ride on country twisties after passing my test - it felt horrible. Watched heaps of videos on handling and gradually learnt counter steering and trail braking. Counter steer takes care of itself now and can't immagine not trail braking. Overtake of white car was horrendous. He let himself be governed by the upcoming solid white line. Should have pulled back in or stayed in outside lane clear of car regardless of white line as clear ahead. Last thing to do was try to cut in before the line. A previous close overtake remarked on by the camera man makes three howlers from half a dozen riders in such a short space of time. Yikes.

@volt8684

7 ай бұрын

Since I have learnt trail braking I have never got a bend wrong nor fear them. I have made this comment several times about TB and get abuse from the “advanced motorists” types. The system they use is 70yrs old. Trail braking needs to be taught. It works in fast cars too ie heel and toeing taught by rally drivers. Stabilises the suspension not unsettles it.

@daryldaryl913

6 ай бұрын

Jonay: I 'assumed' there was some light sand or dirt where brake locked, so he stood up quick and kept upright. But i can not see on video. Buy maybe just heavy foot from panic. If group had a video review night and watched that video i think they would learn much. The best thing of videos to learn is that we can all be our own best critique.

@jonay9221

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Though we normally will not have the luxury of a video replay. Often we will know though when we have made a mistake. Five miles from home at the end my first long tour I made a similar mistake to this rider, of cutting in from an overtake according to the line markings. It still makes me shudder but hopefully thinking of it will stop me from doing anything as stupid in the future!

Too much rear brake use front lol ride safe

Where was this

Idris has been long known to take unattentive souls into the Abyss, araf if not prepared.

There was enough warnings on the road before the corner so should have been slowing down a bit earlier. Never ride beyond your limits just to keep up

I live in north wales ,would love to know whereabouts this road is

@aledcooper2183

7 ай бұрын

Dolgellau to dinas mawddwy then on to cemmaes road. Watch out for plod after cross foxes and on long straights after the pass before dinas mawddwy

The signs were there, poor riding, panic

5:36 - You're welcome

Rider seems to have prioritized investing in a loud exhaust over mastering the skills needed to ride at speed. Road position, forward observation, counter steering and progressive braking were all shown to be deficient. He should binge watch MCRider.

@jonchilds1637

5 ай бұрын

add to that; TeapotOne, MotoControl, RoadcraftNottingham - a good few excellent practitioners on KZread nowadays (and some complete eejits!!).

@jamesrindley6215

5 ай бұрын

@@jonchilds1637 Second that! I like RoadcraftNottingham especially, it's nice to follow him on a ride and see absolutely no incidents and everything under control.

What is the initial “fucking hell that was close” for? Followed by an illegal overtake (solid white line) by the rider in front, who was later lucky to not have a serious RTC and followed by you possibly trying to not do an illegal overtake by staying within the solid white line whilst no more than a foot or two from the white car @ 4.33. Far too much pressure on riders (self inflicted?) to ride outside their skill level when riding in a group and not ride their own ride and this video highlights that brilliantly! 😏

Oh dear, if ever there were a group of riders that need to at least study advanced riding or better still pass the test and become an advanced rider it's this one. I cannot recommend more highly the Police Motorcycle Roadcraft manual for bedtime reading. Me? Over 50 years riding in many countries, 10 years my own courier business, very lucky to have been trained and examined as a civilian by police riders.

Done it myself last summer on a tight left hander. There was traffic coming towards me too. I have no idea how I survived with nothing more than a pair of shit filled pants! A seconds inattention nearly had me dead and worse than that some poor sod doing nothing wrong coming the other way. I was solo and not in a group. I've led group rides and I make sure that speeds and abilities are not ignored.

5:35 is he locking the rear tyre? Rookie move if he did..

Hopefully he learnt something from getting it wrong ,luckily there was road room

I went back and watched it again and I could see the mistake: he was on the wrong line, hugging the curb when entering a tight left hander. The only way to go is out.

@nickaxe771

7 ай бұрын

Going slower....then that would be no problem.

@andyworsley3908

7 ай бұрын

@@nickaxe771 True but the speed he was carrying he should have been able to take that corner without any problem.

@nickaxe771

7 ай бұрын

He should of.....but didn't.....in his case going to fast.....for what ever reason.@@andyworsley3908

@alexmorgan3435

7 ай бұрын

No he wasn't, he was in the middle of the lane. As he approached the left hander he must have thought he was going too fast into the bend which possibly he wasn't, but nevertheless he suddenly stood on the back brake, locking up the rear wheel causing his bike to skid which is when he lost control and crossed over onto the other side of the road potentially into oncoming traffic. He was very lucky no other vehicles were approaching from the opposite direction around the bend otherwise he could well have been fatally injured. He should have applied front brake, counter steering leaning the bike over, shifting his weight slightly off the saddle and his bike would have taken him around the bend. He needs to improve his riding skills. Lucky to be alive.

@nickaxe771

7 ай бұрын

Indeed he is lucky.....fact is he would have ended up at less risk if going slower.....if his capability is low. How long has this guy been riding can I ask.@@alexmorgan3435

He was indeed very lucky!!

Thats the problem with braking when you need to be turning. His mid road entry was asking for trouble too

Can you remember which road this was on..?

@johnkeightley7029

7 ай бұрын

A470 south from Dolgellau to Cemmaes.....

@chrisevans2686

7 ай бұрын

he came unstuck on the 'Bwlch' the high pass between Dolgellau, thence to Dinas Mawddwy and thence to Mallwydd roundabout. Left for Welshpool and Straight over for Machynlleth@@johnkeightley7029

It also seemed to me that his tyres weren’t too great. Maybe decent tread but old rubber. What do others think about this aspect?

@marlo5671

5 ай бұрын

no shit rider

@jonchilds1637

5 ай бұрын

Entirely down to poor technique - nothing more.

Entry speed.Entry speed.Entry speed.

To be honest you could tell that was likely to happen absolutely no road positioning for the bends with zero leaning over into the bends would have guess that he is a fairly new rider, the guy following with on the bike with the camera is none to clever either with group riding mentality following through on a overtake when hitting a solid white line section instead of just being patient and waiting for the broken white lines section coming to him shortly afterwards,But thankfully everyone all ok.

He was able to stop, therefore he wasn’t going too fast for the road but he was going too fast for his own ability.

What’s the road/route?

@smashd83

5 ай бұрын

Hi Ian, it the mac loop road

If you hit a bend a little fast - lean further. The lean limit is more to do with the brain than tyre grip or suspension limits.

5:30 for those of you that can't wait for it. The rider was riding well above what he was capable of! Very lucky though. Get some track days in if you want to pound corners!

@smashd83

5 ай бұрын

100% m8, the corner is a bad one will catch you out ! But read the road ... simple as x

Rear brake into the corner going in to hot. It happens in groups. Why I prefer solo or one good mate /rider.

I know that road very well, I think the corner tightening caught him out and he stamped the rear brake More experienced rider wouldnt have gone near the rear brake Your speed was not at all excessive for that road

@smashd83

6 ай бұрын

That's a crazy corner 😳

@LemonDrizzleGang

5 ай бұрын

@@smashd83 it really isn’t, its just a bit tighter than the previous ones

Pier pressure is a killer as is limited experience. Regretfully it hurts if your lucky and no pain if your unlucky

No attempt to crank it over ,terrible line, the rider is either too nervous for a bike or needs more training .

Upsssss.....no vuelvas a tentar la suerte, amigo.El freno trasero solo para "timonear" la moto y con sumo tacto.

Think more like looking at scenery than the road. All been there

His road positioning was very poor, he needs to go on an advanced riding course or he won't last long, you should be keeping to the left side of the road on a right corner and vise versa watching for the vanishing point if it starts coming towards you the corner is getting tighter so ease on the brakes if going away you can accelerate always taking the line of least resistance