My dog was neutered at 3 months by the rescue I got him from. He is mainly Great Pyrenees and some Anatolian Shepard (90lbs). Would getting him joint supplements help prevent joint issues?
@ztr003Күн бұрын
Fantastic summary thanks
@alessandra.lisettaКүн бұрын
Thank you for this series, very informative!
@kobenoah12 күн бұрын
Interesting. Wish i hadn’t neutered my Great Pyrenees Wont neuter my Mal
@bunnyluv253512 сағат бұрын
Mine got neutered at 3 months by the rescue I got him from
@danielspenner36832 күн бұрын
My dog says: look, if I'll get neutered, so will you. I won't. It's that simple😂.
@danielspenner36832 күн бұрын
We may have unlearned to accept arguments that proove our own opinion wrong. However science means to know until proven otherwise. So, these new results shouldn't really surprise us too much.
@marymacdonald23792 күн бұрын
These studies need to be redone with all dogs fed a raw food diet or a natural fresh cooked food diet. Also, spaying/neutering technique should be minimized to just severing the fallopian tube(s) or sperm tube.
@micheleobrien643 күн бұрын
Everyone told me to get a lab or a golden for service work. The hip history and too goofy attitude turned me off. I chose a german shorthair( European lines) and his size and serious looking face keeps people at safe distances, his smarts made training easy, his coat is easy cleaning, he loves other animals but is people selective. Hes perfect and gorgeous. And loves to work. Life is easier with him in it!❤
@micheleobrien643 күн бұрын
My gsp looks just like the blk and wht in the cover pic!!😮❤❤❤
@micheleobrien643 күн бұрын
With my german shorthaired pointer, i was only able to wait til he was 7mths, he was in service training and his dominate guard instincts was ruining his training to qualify for the strict guidelines. At adulthood he is 87lbs, an aggressive attitude would have been dangerous for HIS well being. I watch his hips closely but at 8yrs theres no issues. ❤
@deanbalouris3304 күн бұрын
Another question comes to mind; is the any data that separates out cryptorchid males?
@deanbalouris3304 күн бұрын
Where could I find this information for other working (police type) breeds? Also, are there any studies that look at changes in working ability resulting from neuter/spaying?
@tiiimmmaaayyyy36166 күн бұрын
My dog was born with his balls and he'll die with his balls regardless of the research.
@vizsla3Mmom6 күн бұрын
This is a great summary. I’ve read this study but it’s very helpful to have your insight as well…..10 month old vizsla owner holding off on neutering for awhile. Is it more difficult on a dog if it’s neutered at 14-16 months versus 2-3 years or older (more bleeding, side effects etc.)?
@ninahirsch94437 күн бұрын
Good work doctor.Hope mutts are more disease resistant.
@KendraMaria7 күн бұрын
Super interesting study. Thank you. I'm curious about herding breeds too.
@aranka43728 күн бұрын
Interesting material, I own a Flatcoated Retriever who is 3 years old and still intact since I am not convinced neutering him will help him health wise on the long run. It is difficult though sometimes since he can be very distracted by bitches in season which makes it hard for us to work together at training. But since the breed is prone to some sorts of cancer it still hasn't felt right to neuter him, chemically maybe at first, to see if his distraction level will go down only so we can train better together. I hope there will be more data available for his breed so I can take that into consideration when deciding once and for all what I should do. Till then he will remain entire.
@eshea36218 күн бұрын
60+ yrs owning German Shepherds. Reproductive organs are NOT a disease. Hormones are essential for lifelong health. It is ridiculously easy to manage an intact dog IF you are responsible w a bit of common sense. In 60 years never had an oops litter. I have owned both bitches & males. The other issue wh does affect health I would like to see you comment on is overvaccination and the current lack of single vaccines to allow us to space out vaccinations and the possible affects of hitting the immune system at one time w a shot that contains 6-8 vaccinations.
@l.loganboswell17619 күн бұрын
Interesting information.
@watchmoivies1239 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for this information. Could you do a video on behavioral issues or aggression both Being neutered at a early age and also being neutered or spayed after three or four years old thank you I’m in a little dilemma right now. I have a 3 1/2 year-old intact male which I believe to keep them intact forever because I am Irresponsible owner, but he seems to be getting a little testy with male dogs. Thanks.
@WokelandDefector7 күн бұрын
Robert Hynes Dog Training and Mark Dubose have a lot of great information on dog reactivity and aggression. I highly recommend them. My dog's issues have gotten much better after stopping the things that most of today's dog trainers tell you to do and changing course by following Mark and Robert's suggestions. Oddly enough, that meant going back to my "old" ways from how I raised my two previous dogs who were wonderful and well balanced. The main difference? My husband and I treating them like a best friend and child (respectively).
@watchmoivies1237 күн бұрын
@@WokelandDefector oh what kind of dog do you have? Do you have anything on your KZread channel?
@WokelandDefector7 күн бұрын
@@watchmoivies123 I have a german shepherd (~125 pounds). I don’t have any videos on my channel but can share links for Mark and Robert. This is one of Mark’s talking about aggression/reactivity: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKB-mtyCeNannLQ.htmlsi=rJuJAphKCkxCMoT1 - It’s not what people would consider a “normal” dog training video. None of his videos are. But the information he shares is very thought-provoking and valuable imo. Here is one from Robert: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pmuN07SKcaaTfrQ.htmlsi=7zIgILlOK-GZpaU_. - Also not a typical dog training but the information in this video and many others is great. He has a lot of videos of consults where he “breaks into” people’s backyards and assesses their reactive/“aggressive” dog. He also has a Facebook group where dog owners can get support and help from him and other dog owners. It has been a huge help to me.
@watchmoivies1237 күн бұрын
Oh thank you very much. I will go check these out and have a wonderful day. Don’t forget to love your dog which I’m sure you do.
@WokelandDefector7 күн бұрын
@@watchmoivies123 You have a wonderful day yourself!
@desireehubbard73379 күн бұрын
Hi Gundogdoc, Do they also provide when to spay an female Basset Artesien Normand?
@cordo70519 күн бұрын
Even though these date sets are full of noise, I’m sure we can do something with the signal. Thanks for sharing!
@kathyrivera25769 күн бұрын
We have male Weimaraner that just turned 2 this week. He is intact. We are senior citizens. He is our third Weimaraner. My only concern is if it will change his personality or his demeanor. He is the most difficult dog I've ever trained. Have shown in obedience an conformation. Boxers and Weimaraners. This guy could care less about recall. Overly excitable and frustrating. Heels pretty well unless he's distracted. ❤
@gaypreator854710 күн бұрын
Physiology would argue with, at least grow and go into adulthood. An animal should be allowed to grow up-develop, it needs specific sequenced hormones to accomplish this. I don’t care if you are male or female. Many countries are denying spaying, pushing owners to be more responsible. At no point did you address diet hmmmm. Processed foods/chemicals and the nonsense foods owners feed. Diet diet diet, food is instruction for the body. PS cancer is a metabolic disease. Period.
@revoakes898410 күн бұрын
How can one access the full study? I'm interested in several breeds to consider for my next dog, hunting and non-hunting breeds, and have been very interested in this issue for decades. One breeder friend (collies) was having her vet do ovary-sparing spays twenty-plus years ago, so it's certainly not a new technique, just one that apparently veterinarians are not interested in pursuing.. mine laughed at me when I mentioned it. Not one of these girls (pet placements usually of mature or nearly mature bitches) ever had a problem, including incontinence, and lived long and healthy lives.
@enriquerojas975811 күн бұрын
It should be just like humans: vasectomy for males and tubal ligations for females. I don’t know a single vet that is able to do this. So of course primitive spaying does a lot of damage.
@juliebrown83752 күн бұрын
Every heat cycle raises the risk of breast cancer, a relatively common cancer.
@markharnett938911 күн бұрын
Just a thought (I don't claim to have any expertise or knowledge of the subject whatsoever) but perhaps Great Danes and Irish Wolfhounds are outliers and don't appear to be affected as their very limited lifespan means they pass away before the conditions are observed.
@roberthynesdogtraining12 күн бұрын
Recent? The "fringe vet" Karen Becker spoke in depth about this 10+ years ago. Why are other vets just catching up now?
@Gundogdoc12 күн бұрын
Plenty of us "non-fringe" vets practicing with working dogs have advocated, for decades, against early/spay neuter and leaving dogs intact . The RESEARCH to back these opinions is RECENT allowing for it to be more widely accepted and discussed. The science has finally caught up to what many of us have felt was likely the right answer.
@roberthynesdogtraining12 күн бұрын
Likely the right answer? Can you explain that? You're still not sure? The damage that has been caused to dogs and owners is immense.
@Gundogdoc12 күн бұрын
@@roberthynesdogtraining Prior to the research we felt it was LIKELY the right answer, the research has since CONFIRMED that. It's easy to make claims and suspect something is correct it is another to prove it is correct---the research has caught up. There is a vast difference between whipping up some ideas and doing "google" searches and what is considered actual research by scientists. In today's world that gets confused a lot, especially by people who's training is they bought a computer. When someone uses the phrase "I've done research" what they usually mean is "I've done some reading" which are vastly different concepts. Most things start as what someone likely thinks, from there the science will prove whether that is true or not. In this case it took far too long for that science to catch up. The world of medicine is filled with crazy examples, like bloodletting and lobotomies, that once were thought to be "likely" the right answer and subsequently proven not to be. Sometimes the science solidifies these ideas sometimes it changes longstanding ideas. It doesn't mean there is some vast conspiracy by veterinarians it means that information has changed and so recommendations should also change it's called growing and learning. There are a lot of people that very strongly feel that pet overpopulation and resulting euthanasias is a far greater crime than the health issues that may crop up with early spay/neuter. Their beliefs aren't wrong for them either. The issue is that people feel there is only one right answer and that everything should either be altered or left intact which just isn't the case in the real world. It should be an individualized discussion about individual pets and owner situations. The science is showing we can reach optimum health outcomes in both camps if we are smart about how we do it and stop throwing stones at each other.
@roberthynesdogtraining12 күн бұрын
@@Gundogdoc This isn't pointed at you. Where was the informed consent from vets? None, notta, zero, zilch - just spay or neuter the dog. We are the experts? Humans get HRT - why not the dog? Outside of litters of puppies? There is zero reason for spay or neuter. What is pyometra? What causes it? Does spay really have an effect on mammary tumors? No. Studies proved that a long time ago. Do you realize how many dogs owners are realizing that they shouldn't have spayed or neutered at all? Now that they are seeing the serious side effects of it - and paying large for the side effects? Now that they are understanding that their vet lied to them through withholding information? If they had been give ANY possible negative side effects - they would not have gone through with it at all. But no. They did so based on a vets advice - with zero informed consent. Not even a talk about the 'possible" serious medical issues - nothing. There are alot of upset owners, and they have a right to be. Vets have alot of explaining to do.
@Gundogdoc12 күн бұрын
@@roberthynesdogtraining I think you are painting with a pretty broad brush to assume no vets are having a detailed conversation. For nearly a quarter century I've talked through the pros and cons and the vast majority of owners, even when the cons of health are discussed, just do not want to consider owning an intact dog. I'm not going to go into a discussion about pyometras here, but yes they are real and yes they occur regularly. The largest uterus I've taken out of a dog is still my own dog and we are starting to understand the varying risks among breeds. I'd also be careful about casting stones from the glass house which is the dog training profession. From The Monks of New Skete to Caesar there have been many, many techniques that people felt were the correct way at the time that are now considered problematic...yet are still preached from the highest of mountains. I know a number of good dog trainers that bemoan the fact that a hairstylist needs to be licensed in the state they cut hair, which will grow back, but a dog trainer is able just hang out a shingle, or in today's world purchase a domain, and they may screw a dog up for life. Do you want to be held accountable for the sins of your colleagues' past or would you rather start from the information we have today and do what's right going forward? If you watch the first video in the series I discuss how the profession got to these recommendations, and at the time they were done with no ill intent and with what people truly believed was with the best interest of the dog in mind.
@jeanninerash570112 күн бұрын
Great info
@annaedmonds976512 күн бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to deep dive into this study!
@erinhardick480312 күн бұрын
Unfortunately people like me that get rescue dogs they are always "fixed" it does not matter the age of the animal.
@MA-xd9zl6 күн бұрын
And that’s why (good and reliable) breeders are important, otherwise after a decade there would be no dogs at all left…
@bunnyluv253512 сағат бұрын
Me too. My vet was pissed when he found out my big dog was neutered at 3 months old by the rescue. Now that I know the recommendations for large/extra large dogs I completely understand. He was concerned about my dogs health especially as he gets older.
@MA-xd9zl2 сағат бұрын
@@bunnyluv2535 damn that’s insane. The crazy part is I was looking for a shiba and the breeder wanted me to sign a document that I’d spay him until he was 6m old… like… wtf. It was super expensive and I would be forced to do it before he was even 6m. I just said ok bye to them. Now I’m going for another breed (is for service dog so it needs to be from a good breeders/parents etc) and there’s no such a thing and found out they grow until 2yo so it’s bad to do it before 2y, so if I ever do it I’ll wait. More and more I see how shelters don’t give a crap about the dogs health etc 😩
@chukarless797416 күн бұрын
That's a lot of great info! timely in that i just got a 2 year old, intact Drahthaar and am trying to decide if/when I get him cut. Thanks for presenting all that!
@andrewpappas719817 күн бұрын
Why are you generally against partial hysterectomies (ovary-sparing spays)? They are great for keeping dogs healthy for their entire lives, while avoiding unwanted pregnancies. When my wife at age 40 was diagnosed with polyps in her uterus, the doctor listed many reasons to keep her ovaries and avoid menopause, including to stave off bone weakening, weight gain, depression, and cancer. It seems that while spaying may have especially bad effects at a younger age, the effects don't completely go away with age.
@Gundogdoc17 күн бұрын
In general we aren't trained in the technique and so it would be something that a fair number of people would need to take it on or it would need to be standardly taught. Not that I think it is probably incredibly difficult it just isn't a standard procedure at this time. That in and off itself seems like a weak answer but as someone who has seen stump pyometras (when the parts of the uterus left behind are stimulated by either left behind parts of the ovary or ectopic ovary it would make me nervous to leave the uterus. My understanding is that you still have the undesirable behaviors that sometimes come with the heat cycle and some dogs will still have discharge. Outside of the golden, with the information we have I'm just not convinced it is needed in every female. I think you can get a lot of the same benefits with keeping a dog intact for a period of time and then spaying. Someday it may become more widely utilized I just don't think we are there as a profession right now.
@Todd_Monson18 күн бұрын
Great information. Wonder if altering increases epilepsy in Labs.
@Gundogdoc17 күн бұрын
Thanks. My initial thought would be to say probably not as it seems some lines are more prone and I've seen it in intact and altered.
@MultiChillidog19 күн бұрын
have owned mostly female Dobermann's but have had 2 very wonderful female Weimaraner's. As with most (breeders included, since it was not my intent to breed any of my dogs), they recommended that we spay prior to the female getting it's 2nd heat-cycle. which I have done for all but my last 2 girls. The last girl we spayed at that time (prior to getting it's 2nd heat cycle) she (female Weimaraner) developed constant joint disorders mainly with her knees and hips of her back legs (mostly the left rear) and then before she was 8 could barely walk up (or down stairs) and then due to not having the strength to raise herself up out of her bed unassisted, began having bed wetting issues. Other wise she was healthy and loved life dearly. My wife was so upset and heart broken to see a dog she loved so dearly, struggle so much, for the last years of her life, and she attributed it to early spaying. So with our next dog (female also), she refused to listen to the breeder or the Vets, and we did not spay her. She was the sweetest girl you will ever meet, born June 9, 2003 and passed on September 12, 2019. Yes, she lived 16 years 3 months and was still acting as if a puppy well into her teen years. It was only into the last year of her life that she started to slow down. Do not know what this proves as to the "spay or not spay, neuter or not neuter" but from our small sample size, we both (my wife especially) are in the "not spay/neuter" unless for health issues. I now think back at issues or other dogs had, and wonder if early spaying contributed or not? Obviously, I will never know. But I now look at dogs in much the same as with humans - if we are not spaying and neutering ourselves (humans), then why (If healthy) are we doing it so early with dogs. I know the biggest reason is population control, and in poorer countries feral dogs are a problem. But this should not be the main reason to recommend it to every "responsible" dog owner.
@carolynbrown402822 күн бұрын
I'm not a hunter. I don't own a gun dog. I will probably never own a gun dog. Nevertheless, I found your video fascinating. The data was well-presented, and your humor was as dry as the Sahara. Thanks!
@Gundogdoc21 күн бұрын
I greatly appreciate this feedback.
@InterdyneInternationalK-922 күн бұрын
Reasonable Size Studies. Well Presented. Nice Job 🐾👍✔️
@Gundogdoc21 күн бұрын
thank you
@ZomboiRye24 күн бұрын
Thank you for breaking down the study! This was super helpful!
@Gundogdoc21 күн бұрын
Glad you found it helpful
@briand748924 күн бұрын
Love to see this level of breakdown presented on youtube.
@Gundogdoc21 күн бұрын
thank you, we will try to do this more
@TimHardenАй бұрын
Great tips!
@michellevazquez1203Ай бұрын
Thank you for the information as always!!
@morganbaxter8793Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this doc! Very very helpful. Been reading your blog too and that has been very helpful and knowledgeable as well.
@apr86772 ай бұрын
I believe you mentioned it during your live podcast a few weeks back, but what heartworm and flea/tick product are you recommending?
@Gundogdoc2 ай бұрын
I currently use interceptor and credelio.
@lovefrenchbrittany52362 ай бұрын
So how do you get rid of heartworm?
@RAYQUAZA_X2 ай бұрын
Like Tony Stark, swap heart
@Gundogdoc2 ай бұрын
I'll cover that in one of the upcoming videos.
@Mike-vk6mo4 ай бұрын
How many ME calories is a cup of your dog food?
@Gundogdoc4 ай бұрын
About 450kcal per cup
@bradb684 ай бұрын
Thank you, this is very helpful. Really appreciate your videos. How would the strategy communicated in this video change for a younger pup (11mo) ? Many thanks!
@Gundogdoc4 ай бұрын
I think the most important thing to focus on with a growing athletic breed dog is having them on a large breed growth/puppy formula until they are skeletally mature, usually in that 18 month ballpark for a lot of our sporting breeds. Same principal applies to shifting up and down based on activity.I have gotten a lot of questions about this subject of nutrition and activity with older puppies in the last week and will try to get a video out sooner rather than later.
@borderland_upland5 ай бұрын
Valley Fever fighter here. Well done, thanks.
@Gundogdoc4 ай бұрын
One of the things that has kept me from making a trip down your way!
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great presentation style
My dog was neutered at 3 months by the rescue I got him from. He is mainly Great Pyrenees and some Anatolian Shepard (90lbs). Would getting him joint supplements help prevent joint issues?
Fantastic summary thanks
Thank you for this series, very informative!
Interesting. Wish i hadn’t neutered my Great Pyrenees Wont neuter my Mal
Mine got neutered at 3 months by the rescue I got him from
My dog says: look, if I'll get neutered, so will you. I won't. It's that simple😂.
We may have unlearned to accept arguments that proove our own opinion wrong. However science means to know until proven otherwise. So, these new results shouldn't really surprise us too much.
These studies need to be redone with all dogs fed a raw food diet or a natural fresh cooked food diet. Also, spaying/neutering technique should be minimized to just severing the fallopian tube(s) or sperm tube.
Everyone told me to get a lab or a golden for service work. The hip history and too goofy attitude turned me off. I chose a german shorthair( European lines) and his size and serious looking face keeps people at safe distances, his smarts made training easy, his coat is easy cleaning, he loves other animals but is people selective. Hes perfect and gorgeous. And loves to work. Life is easier with him in it!❤
My gsp looks just like the blk and wht in the cover pic!!😮❤❤❤
With my german shorthaired pointer, i was only able to wait til he was 7mths, he was in service training and his dominate guard instincts was ruining his training to qualify for the strict guidelines. At adulthood he is 87lbs, an aggressive attitude would have been dangerous for HIS well being. I watch his hips closely but at 8yrs theres no issues. ❤
Another question comes to mind; is the any data that separates out cryptorchid males?
Where could I find this information for other working (police type) breeds? Also, are there any studies that look at changes in working ability resulting from neuter/spaying?
My dog was born with his balls and he'll die with his balls regardless of the research.
This is a great summary. I’ve read this study but it’s very helpful to have your insight as well…..10 month old vizsla owner holding off on neutering for awhile. Is it more difficult on a dog if it’s neutered at 14-16 months versus 2-3 years or older (more bleeding, side effects etc.)?
Good work doctor.Hope mutts are more disease resistant.
Super interesting study. Thank you. I'm curious about herding breeds too.
Interesting material, I own a Flatcoated Retriever who is 3 years old and still intact since I am not convinced neutering him will help him health wise on the long run. It is difficult though sometimes since he can be very distracted by bitches in season which makes it hard for us to work together at training. But since the breed is prone to some sorts of cancer it still hasn't felt right to neuter him, chemically maybe at first, to see if his distraction level will go down only so we can train better together. I hope there will be more data available for his breed so I can take that into consideration when deciding once and for all what I should do. Till then he will remain entire.
60+ yrs owning German Shepherds. Reproductive organs are NOT a disease. Hormones are essential for lifelong health. It is ridiculously easy to manage an intact dog IF you are responsible w a bit of common sense. In 60 years never had an oops litter. I have owned both bitches & males. The other issue wh does affect health I would like to see you comment on is overvaccination and the current lack of single vaccines to allow us to space out vaccinations and the possible affects of hitting the immune system at one time w a shot that contains 6-8 vaccinations.
Interesting information.
Thank you very much for this information. Could you do a video on behavioral issues or aggression both Being neutered at a early age and also being neutered or spayed after three or four years old thank you I’m in a little dilemma right now. I have a 3 1/2 year-old intact male which I believe to keep them intact forever because I am Irresponsible owner, but he seems to be getting a little testy with male dogs. Thanks.
Robert Hynes Dog Training and Mark Dubose have a lot of great information on dog reactivity and aggression. I highly recommend them. My dog's issues have gotten much better after stopping the things that most of today's dog trainers tell you to do and changing course by following Mark and Robert's suggestions. Oddly enough, that meant going back to my "old" ways from how I raised my two previous dogs who were wonderful and well balanced. The main difference? My husband and I treating them like a best friend and child (respectively).
@@WokelandDefector oh what kind of dog do you have? Do you have anything on your KZread channel?
@@watchmoivies123 I have a german shepherd (~125 pounds). I don’t have any videos on my channel but can share links for Mark and Robert. This is one of Mark’s talking about aggression/reactivity: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lKB-mtyCeNannLQ.htmlsi=rJuJAphKCkxCMoT1 - It’s not what people would consider a “normal” dog training video. None of his videos are. But the information he shares is very thought-provoking and valuable imo. Here is one from Robert: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pmuN07SKcaaTfrQ.htmlsi=7zIgILlOK-GZpaU_. - Also not a typical dog training but the information in this video and many others is great. He has a lot of videos of consults where he “breaks into” people’s backyards and assesses their reactive/“aggressive” dog. He also has a Facebook group where dog owners can get support and help from him and other dog owners. It has been a huge help to me.
Oh thank you very much. I will go check these out and have a wonderful day. Don’t forget to love your dog which I’m sure you do.
@@watchmoivies123 You have a wonderful day yourself!
Hi Gundogdoc, Do they also provide when to spay an female Basset Artesien Normand?
Even though these date sets are full of noise, I’m sure we can do something with the signal. Thanks for sharing!
We have male Weimaraner that just turned 2 this week. He is intact. We are senior citizens. He is our third Weimaraner. My only concern is if it will change his personality or his demeanor. He is the most difficult dog I've ever trained. Have shown in obedience an conformation. Boxers and Weimaraners. This guy could care less about recall. Overly excitable and frustrating. Heels pretty well unless he's distracted. ❤
Physiology would argue with, at least grow and go into adulthood. An animal should be allowed to grow up-develop, it needs specific sequenced hormones to accomplish this. I don’t care if you are male or female. Many countries are denying spaying, pushing owners to be more responsible. At no point did you address diet hmmmm. Processed foods/chemicals and the nonsense foods owners feed. Diet diet diet, food is instruction for the body. PS cancer is a metabolic disease. Period.
How can one access the full study? I'm interested in several breeds to consider for my next dog, hunting and non-hunting breeds, and have been very interested in this issue for decades. One breeder friend (collies) was having her vet do ovary-sparing spays twenty-plus years ago, so it's certainly not a new technique, just one that apparently veterinarians are not interested in pursuing.. mine laughed at me when I mentioned it. Not one of these girls (pet placements usually of mature or nearly mature bitches) ever had a problem, including incontinence, and lived long and healthy lives.
It should be just like humans: vasectomy for males and tubal ligations for females. I don’t know a single vet that is able to do this. So of course primitive spaying does a lot of damage.
Every heat cycle raises the risk of breast cancer, a relatively common cancer.
Just a thought (I don't claim to have any expertise or knowledge of the subject whatsoever) but perhaps Great Danes and Irish Wolfhounds are outliers and don't appear to be affected as their very limited lifespan means they pass away before the conditions are observed.
Recent? The "fringe vet" Karen Becker spoke in depth about this 10+ years ago. Why are other vets just catching up now?
Plenty of us "non-fringe" vets practicing with working dogs have advocated, for decades, against early/spay neuter and leaving dogs intact . The RESEARCH to back these opinions is RECENT allowing for it to be more widely accepted and discussed. The science has finally caught up to what many of us have felt was likely the right answer.
Likely the right answer? Can you explain that? You're still not sure? The damage that has been caused to dogs and owners is immense.
@@roberthynesdogtraining Prior to the research we felt it was LIKELY the right answer, the research has since CONFIRMED that. It's easy to make claims and suspect something is correct it is another to prove it is correct---the research has caught up. There is a vast difference between whipping up some ideas and doing "google" searches and what is considered actual research by scientists. In today's world that gets confused a lot, especially by people who's training is they bought a computer. When someone uses the phrase "I've done research" what they usually mean is "I've done some reading" which are vastly different concepts. Most things start as what someone likely thinks, from there the science will prove whether that is true or not. In this case it took far too long for that science to catch up. The world of medicine is filled with crazy examples, like bloodletting and lobotomies, that once were thought to be "likely" the right answer and subsequently proven not to be. Sometimes the science solidifies these ideas sometimes it changes longstanding ideas. It doesn't mean there is some vast conspiracy by veterinarians it means that information has changed and so recommendations should also change it's called growing and learning. There are a lot of people that very strongly feel that pet overpopulation and resulting euthanasias is a far greater crime than the health issues that may crop up with early spay/neuter. Their beliefs aren't wrong for them either. The issue is that people feel there is only one right answer and that everything should either be altered or left intact which just isn't the case in the real world. It should be an individualized discussion about individual pets and owner situations. The science is showing we can reach optimum health outcomes in both camps if we are smart about how we do it and stop throwing stones at each other.
@@Gundogdoc This isn't pointed at you. Where was the informed consent from vets? None, notta, zero, zilch - just spay or neuter the dog. We are the experts? Humans get HRT - why not the dog? Outside of litters of puppies? There is zero reason for spay or neuter. What is pyometra? What causes it? Does spay really have an effect on mammary tumors? No. Studies proved that a long time ago. Do you realize how many dogs owners are realizing that they shouldn't have spayed or neutered at all? Now that they are seeing the serious side effects of it - and paying large for the side effects? Now that they are understanding that their vet lied to them through withholding information? If they had been give ANY possible negative side effects - they would not have gone through with it at all. But no. They did so based on a vets advice - with zero informed consent. Not even a talk about the 'possible" serious medical issues - nothing. There are alot of upset owners, and they have a right to be. Vets have alot of explaining to do.
@@roberthynesdogtraining I think you are painting with a pretty broad brush to assume no vets are having a detailed conversation. For nearly a quarter century I've talked through the pros and cons and the vast majority of owners, even when the cons of health are discussed, just do not want to consider owning an intact dog. I'm not going to go into a discussion about pyometras here, but yes they are real and yes they occur regularly. The largest uterus I've taken out of a dog is still my own dog and we are starting to understand the varying risks among breeds. I'd also be careful about casting stones from the glass house which is the dog training profession. From The Monks of New Skete to Caesar there have been many, many techniques that people felt were the correct way at the time that are now considered problematic...yet are still preached from the highest of mountains. I know a number of good dog trainers that bemoan the fact that a hairstylist needs to be licensed in the state they cut hair, which will grow back, but a dog trainer is able just hang out a shingle, or in today's world purchase a domain, and they may screw a dog up for life. Do you want to be held accountable for the sins of your colleagues' past or would you rather start from the information we have today and do what's right going forward? If you watch the first video in the series I discuss how the profession got to these recommendations, and at the time they were done with no ill intent and with what people truly believed was with the best interest of the dog in mind.
Great info
Thanks for taking the time to deep dive into this study!
Unfortunately people like me that get rescue dogs they are always "fixed" it does not matter the age of the animal.
And that’s why (good and reliable) breeders are important, otherwise after a decade there would be no dogs at all left…
Me too. My vet was pissed when he found out my big dog was neutered at 3 months old by the rescue. Now that I know the recommendations for large/extra large dogs I completely understand. He was concerned about my dogs health especially as he gets older.
@@bunnyluv2535 damn that’s insane. The crazy part is I was looking for a shiba and the breeder wanted me to sign a document that I’d spay him until he was 6m old… like… wtf. It was super expensive and I would be forced to do it before he was even 6m. I just said ok bye to them. Now I’m going for another breed (is for service dog so it needs to be from a good breeders/parents etc) and there’s no such a thing and found out they grow until 2yo so it’s bad to do it before 2y, so if I ever do it I’ll wait. More and more I see how shelters don’t give a crap about the dogs health etc 😩
That's a lot of great info! timely in that i just got a 2 year old, intact Drahthaar and am trying to decide if/when I get him cut. Thanks for presenting all that!
Why are you generally against partial hysterectomies (ovary-sparing spays)? They are great for keeping dogs healthy for their entire lives, while avoiding unwanted pregnancies. When my wife at age 40 was diagnosed with polyps in her uterus, the doctor listed many reasons to keep her ovaries and avoid menopause, including to stave off bone weakening, weight gain, depression, and cancer. It seems that while spaying may have especially bad effects at a younger age, the effects don't completely go away with age.
In general we aren't trained in the technique and so it would be something that a fair number of people would need to take it on or it would need to be standardly taught. Not that I think it is probably incredibly difficult it just isn't a standard procedure at this time. That in and off itself seems like a weak answer but as someone who has seen stump pyometras (when the parts of the uterus left behind are stimulated by either left behind parts of the ovary or ectopic ovary it would make me nervous to leave the uterus. My understanding is that you still have the undesirable behaviors that sometimes come with the heat cycle and some dogs will still have discharge. Outside of the golden, with the information we have I'm just not convinced it is needed in every female. I think you can get a lot of the same benefits with keeping a dog intact for a period of time and then spaying. Someday it may become more widely utilized I just don't think we are there as a profession right now.
Great information. Wonder if altering increases epilepsy in Labs.
Thanks. My initial thought would be to say probably not as it seems some lines are more prone and I've seen it in intact and altered.
have owned mostly female Dobermann's but have had 2 very wonderful female Weimaraner's. As with most (breeders included, since it was not my intent to breed any of my dogs), they recommended that we spay prior to the female getting it's 2nd heat-cycle. which I have done for all but my last 2 girls. The last girl we spayed at that time (prior to getting it's 2nd heat cycle) she (female Weimaraner) developed constant joint disorders mainly with her knees and hips of her back legs (mostly the left rear) and then before she was 8 could barely walk up (or down stairs) and then due to not having the strength to raise herself up out of her bed unassisted, began having bed wetting issues. Other wise she was healthy and loved life dearly. My wife was so upset and heart broken to see a dog she loved so dearly, struggle so much, for the last years of her life, and she attributed it to early spaying. So with our next dog (female also), she refused to listen to the breeder or the Vets, and we did not spay her. She was the sweetest girl you will ever meet, born June 9, 2003 and passed on September 12, 2019. Yes, she lived 16 years 3 months and was still acting as if a puppy well into her teen years. It was only into the last year of her life that she started to slow down. Do not know what this proves as to the "spay or not spay, neuter or not neuter" but from our small sample size, we both (my wife especially) are in the "not spay/neuter" unless for health issues. I now think back at issues or other dogs had, and wonder if early spaying contributed or not? Obviously, I will never know. But I now look at dogs in much the same as with humans - if we are not spaying and neutering ourselves (humans), then why (If healthy) are we doing it so early with dogs. I know the biggest reason is population control, and in poorer countries feral dogs are a problem. But this should not be the main reason to recommend it to every "responsible" dog owner.
I'm not a hunter. I don't own a gun dog. I will probably never own a gun dog. Nevertheless, I found your video fascinating. The data was well-presented, and your humor was as dry as the Sahara. Thanks!
I greatly appreciate this feedback.
Reasonable Size Studies. Well Presented. Nice Job 🐾👍✔️
thank you
Thank you for breaking down the study! This was super helpful!
Glad you found it helpful
Love to see this level of breakdown presented on youtube.
thank you, we will try to do this more
Great tips!
Thank you for the information as always!!
Thanks for doing this doc! Very very helpful. Been reading your blog too and that has been very helpful and knowledgeable as well.
I believe you mentioned it during your live podcast a few weeks back, but what heartworm and flea/tick product are you recommending?
I currently use interceptor and credelio.
So how do you get rid of heartworm?
Like Tony Stark, swap heart
I'll cover that in one of the upcoming videos.
How many ME calories is a cup of your dog food?
About 450kcal per cup
Thank you, this is very helpful. Really appreciate your videos. How would the strategy communicated in this video change for a younger pup (11mo) ? Many thanks!
I think the most important thing to focus on with a growing athletic breed dog is having them on a large breed growth/puppy formula until they are skeletally mature, usually in that 18 month ballpark for a lot of our sporting breeds. Same principal applies to shifting up and down based on activity.I have gotten a lot of questions about this subject of nutrition and activity with older puppies in the last week and will try to get a video out sooner rather than later.
Valley Fever fighter here. Well done, thanks.
One of the things that has kept me from making a trip down your way!