I've left the Mormon church but, damn it, I just can't leave the Mormon church alone! Pull up a camp chair around the theoretical fire as we chat about all things post-Mormon. Being post-Mormon doesn't have to be lonely, at least not when you're at Girlscamp!
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My inlaws are the biggest reason I started to question the church. My mother in law loved to remind me I wasn't a virgin on my wedding night. The most hurtful thing is my husband heard a few times and didn't stick up for me. She can't say anything nice about anyone behind their backs. The final straw was when she lied to me to get me to go to the Martin Harris pageant. When we lived by them they would demand we help them RIGHT NOW. She nagged me to have babies and then when I did she told me she wouldn't be the babysitter. She would only watch my kids when my husband asked or when she wanted to. I felt like I was just a pawn in her fakebook show. I didn't want my kids of Facebook. She posted pictures of my kids anyways. When my husband wouldn't call her and tell her to take them down I ended up kicking my husband out. When I wanted to remove my name from the records my husband wasn't worried about our eternal family. He literally was more worried about his parents. He was over 40. I believe with all my research that the mormon church literally trains people to be narcissist. My inlaws are to a T narcissist. I have blocked them and want them to stay away from my kids because I do not want them to shame or guilt my kids the way they did me. I don't want my kids to be treated like pawn in their fake perfect mormon family.
Offering Alcohol tip: There are a lot of people that are trying alcohol for the first time. I have found that because I like soft drinks like; J20 orange and passion fruit, Elderflower etc, I like drinks that are more sweet and fresh, like a Pink Gin. I think a Pink Gin is a really lovely way to start, and you could ask them to put some lemonade in it too so it’s not as hard hitting. I also wanted to give advice on the setting, as the setting really mattered to me. I was with a woman who attended church with her husband but was mentally out and she drank alcohol at home etc, I knew her well, and the pub was right near my home. It meant that I was at someone where I knew, with someone I knew and near my home. This allowed me to feel safe and comfortable drinking. The first time you try alcohol you will NOT get drunk, if you eat food with it. I’d recommend getting pasta etc if you’re trying alcohol for the first time. Food helps you not get drunk ❤ I’ve been out of the church around 2 years and only tried around 4 drinks. The only one I liked was a pink gin and pimms 🤣❤️ xx
"It is not your job to diffuse an awkward situation." Seriously, I need this... every silence SEEMS awkward!
Gurl, your voice is the one I've been looking for! "Men like that made me feel small." I feel that! 💜
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Great episode. Family is tough: I have struggled with not always being invited to family church activities and wanting to support the family. Dress of partners is also hard. When my wife left the church, she wanted an additional piercing. She asked me what I though about piercings and I gave an honest answer (it is not my thing). She took it as me trying to control her decision, and there were hard feelings. Then there are times after an event, when it seems she would have preferred me to dress in a certain way. She cares and I just wish she would ask for what she likes (then I have the option of doing it for her or not). I don't know. You have to talk, but there needs to be a respect and understand there. Very vulnerable territory.
35:00 you did what he asked. You served a mission and stayed a member so far. The terms are met and a parent who would withhold support for you filling your true identity is no parent at all. You've let him feel like a parent and that's merciful on your part. If giving you love and money really makes him happy, then he wouldnt withhold it when you open up to him like you do for your true/safe friends/family
I have massive fear of death. Just turned 40... Looking at less time ahead than behind, really FEELING lost time. Thank you for sharing this. Is the book good? I might want to read it.
The best path is Instilling Oriental Orthodoxy (Armenian) into your present church.
@styphlynne8253 The Armenian Apostolic Church is Oriental Orthodox and is early Christianity. Priests can be married, no dress code outside of church, no individual confession (they do it together during liturgy, so easy). Bartholomew the apostle established the church. I love it. They have strong communities in places like California. And they accept other denominations cause they consider themselves part of the global universal Christian church. Armenians are brilliant. They also have 1/4 of old Jerusalem. My channel explains.
You can instill the original orthodox gospel into any church you already belong to that believes in Jesus, the son of Mary. You do not need to change your church unless you want to, for example if your church is harmful or too exclusive. You can just bring these original principles to your church and enjoy the community you are used to.
Bonkers fits perfectly for you. Cher did an old song that does as well.
Lmao "ketamine therapy" the mushrooms for mormons now days!
@styphlynne8253 you're a perfect example of the absence of mental capacity. Fake.
I feel like a huge part of wanting to share in it all is a desire to be understood. When I left evangelical Christianity (was Pentecostal, specifically) and came out as an atheist/agnostic, my family constantly said things like “oh you still believe in God deep down” or “she just wanted to sin” or “she just wanted to date that nonbeliever guy” or “she’s just mad at God” - so on and so forth. When you love people, you want them to know your genuine heart and intentions in it all. But I think what I ultimately had to understand is that the ONLY one who will fully understand me is myself. I’ll share to those who are interested, and I write a lot and talk to friends with similar viewpoints for the venting support!
I think it’s very telling that when you come across people who have deep dived into church history and all of the messiness with the church and they still choose to stay, they themselves aren’t shouting all that information they’ve learned from the rooftop. I think it’s because they know how damaging the information is and they’ve had to come up with their own individual way to deal with it. It’s not a one size fits all kind of message like how the church used to be for them. Just like how hidden the church essays are on the church website and how we would never have a 5th Sunday talk about those in Sunday school. The members that learn about the underbelly of the church would never tell an investigator ANY of the information they had learned because people would run for the hills.
I recommend checking out Tanner Adell too! She does really fun country pop. She’s also ex-Mormon
Is "Girlscamp" going to begin videos with a proper land acknowledgement?!? It might be worth considering.
I think its key that you just FIT IN with the Taylor Swift thing!
Went to fsy a month ago (it’s not called efy anymore) it cost $75 plus my ward paid that fee. The church is probably pouring resources into fsys to try and keep the new generation in the church lol
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Sexist: are there sexist members of the church? Yep, but they need to be weeded out. Are you talking about the priesthood being sexist?
Racist, really. I would love to get your views on that. It is funny how the church gets a racist rep, even though Joseph Smith ordained black men into the priesthood. I am not sure why Brigham Young introduced the ban policy ( I have some personal opinions as to why it was possibly needed for God to use it for future clarity, but that's just my opinion ), when the protestant Christian churches were involved in the KKK, not allowing them into their white churches, enslaving, molesting and killing them. No one seems to attack the protestant faiths over that, why, because we have moved on and try to focus on improving.
I agree with you that the YWP had no right to get so mean and personal. A male LDS. I watch Real Radio a lot and they are primarily comedians in the church who combat some of the issues through humour. I personally think the church gets a bad rep and I hate getting a bad rep because people relate to the church through the Utah saint view. I am not a utaian, or from the usa. The church to me is much better outside utah.
You and sister on far left look like twins
What's the thing about caffeine? Don't they know that there are foods like chocolate that naturally has caffeine in it. Mormons have never had hot coco, chocolate, etc.? If so, you've already consumed caffeine.
I don't worship Joe
You can delete comments all you like - you'll still be a bloke.
you can leave comments all you like- you’ll still be wrong. and frankly, just an unkind person. hope you manage to find joy in your life ♡
@@ohkae14 okay groomer
@@ohkae14 cos it's really too late for you to pretend you don't know the reality and the consequences of this paedophilic cult. Shame on you.
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I LOVE YOUR PODCAST. That being said, I'm a huge HP fan, the food issue is explained by one of 5 exceptions to Gamp's law of Elemental Transfiguration. Sorry, carry on.
Beautiful episode!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No matter how many clothes he buys at Forever 21… he’ll always be a dude.
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@@alasshewasthehighwaywoman8886 I’m glad you agree
I almost feel like we’re the same person with slightly different experiences because I’m also a recently out transwoman in Utah County who grew up in a large family in the church. It’s always good to see representation where we live because it’s such a bubble!
What a beautiful conversation.❤ Thank you for this!
The last time I saw either of you all of us were Mormon in highschool. So happy we’re all figuring life out
Loved this episode. Thank you for sharing Meredith!
This was such a sweet episode!
Meredith has the classiest style she’s so chic omg
Aaaahhhh much love from a fellow queer BYU ballroom dancer 🫶🫶
Ayy queer ballroom gang let’s go
We found out it's not true... until you later realize it is true...
The little boys who run ward radio are some of the most unchristlike human beings I am aware of. I'm so sorry you were a target of their unfounded hatred. You did not deserve that. I am also just dumbfounded and reeling at the woman comparing your body to the young women in her church group. Appearance should NEVER be a topic of criticism in these kinds of spaces discussing morality and spirituality and religion - apprarance is just entirely irrelevant. When I left the church I realized just how much more nuanced and challenging being a good and ethical person is and I appreciate that you are demonstrating some of your process of unpacking privilege and also your willingness to own up to missteps. THAT is what being an ethical and good human being is about not about whatever nonsense Kwaku and Cordon? (I don't care to know their names) are spewing on their platform.
neither me nor my family is religious, but so much of what you said resonated with me. i came out to them as transgender 7 years ago. their hearts were shattered enough to not see how much i was struggling. it’s taken over half a decade to slowly build back our relationship, but for a long time, i had to cope with the fact that i might never have the kind of connection we had before. sending love to both you and your families
Another fantastic episode providing my world with clarity humor and healing all at the same time 👏🏻
WTF! Why can’t you have Swig? Is that against Mormon religion now? 😂 they are just bullying you. I am so glad I have decided to leave the church because of all the horrible judgment. It is a cult. I was in a cult 🤯
Preordination, or the idea of it, really screwed me up as a teen convert. At the time, I was struggling with my gender&sexuality, as well as really bad mental illness. It made me feel like id chosen before i was alive to self harm, so because id already made the decision i had power to stop myself from doing it. Obviously thats flawed, but it also made me feel like I chose to be trans and pansexual before i was alive but i wasnt allowed to be it ? I realy didnt understand it because it makes NO SENSE
And I remember one of the MANY times I asked a genuine question in seminary and got shut down super hard and judged was when I asked about preordination and free will and reconciling the two
Thank you both so much for this episode. So many relatable moments and you both did a fantastic job of communicating such deep moments and topics in such a beautiful and concise way! 🙏🏼
“Taylor, if you’re listening, and I know you are, drop me a dm and let me know what you think”
Maybe the “Elders Quorum Presidency” husband is not going with the missionaries! He might be getting ‘some’ on the side! 🤷♀️
On my way out, I turned down Gospel Doctrine calling. The 1st calling I turned down ever. Bishopric friend was relentless, asking & guilting me in the back of the cultural hall several times. He allowed his wife to hear. She publicly shamed me in RS, looking directly at me while stating that we do Not turn down callings. Would have gotten up & left RS, but refused to give her that satisfaction. Mormon manipulation, control & shaming is REAL! I tell my kids- No Means NO= HEALTHY BOUNDARIES! BUGGER Off Bishopric & Petty Shaming RS wife.
My ex in-laws judged me because I was from Manassa. They thought it must be because of my Greek heritage since I wasn’t born into the much holier British lineage. MW - total aside - the family myth was that my MIL’s grandmother divorced her alcoholic husband which explains why she kept her maiden name and why we don’t know what her married name was. I nearly laughed out loud. Couldn’t be she had a baby “out of wedlock”. Gimme a break.
There's quite a bit of religious imagery on TTPD. I've mostly only heard people upset over the lyrics in But Daddy I Love Him which are really just anti a specific type of hypocritically judge Christian (imo)
For what it's worth, my take on Abraham and Issac was that it was a story underlining the fact that G-d _will never_ demand your child: G-d tells Abraham "kill me a son," and rather than thinking, "Okey dokey, no problem Lord!" Abraham's obedience is an act of despair. It's a moment where he's thinking, "I thought my creator brought me out to the desert, but now this, I must be whatever the bronze age equivalent of mentally ill is. None of this was real. I gave up my home in the city to die in obscurityout here. I may as well kill both of us." Importantly, if I remember right, Issac builds a sacrificial fire, and Issac _asks_ his father, "Hey, so, what are we doing here?" And Abraham lies and says, "G-d wants us to sacrifice a ram." And Issac is like, "...and where might this ram be?" And it's after that, before any children wind up on any altars, that a ram appears nearby with its horns stuck in a thicket, and they sacrifice that. I'm sure it was a very unnerving day for Issac, but I don't think it was seconds away from death traumatic. I'm not a literal interpretationist (and this poor LDS mum thinking she might one day be called to murder her children is one of the reasons why I think literal interpretation is false: this is very bad fruit, sorry ma'am, i hope your mental health stays stable!) but if this was a literal event, I think it was more of a dark night of the soul situation than an example of robotic obedience to every burning in every bosom... and lastly, I'm not sure you _could_ tell a story that wouldn't be subject to having its meaning manipulated 1000s of years after the first telling.
I think I just had a stroke trying to read this
Not Christian but I did my undergrad in Religious Studies. Outside of literalist circles, generally the story of Abraham and Issac is that up until that point, Abraham had been reluctant to uphold his part of the covenant. He sold his wife Sarah in Egypt to try to get away! He tried to cheat God a lot, and he primarily submitted because he wanted a son by Sarah so badly. So when he is willing to give up the one thing that was his selfish motivation this whole time, it's more about how he's found value in a religious life for it's own sake rather than because he gets something out of it. He's willing to do something extreme to hold on to the covenant. There's also the aspect that some religions in the region at the time may have practiced human sacrifice, and the Old Testament is full of "we're not like other religions" digs; this might be one of them.
I mean, my journey out of the church started with listening to podcasts about cults, so anti-podcast mom is not completely wrong haha
Also please do this more! I love exmo Reddit! Especially the doctrinal theories!!