I left mormonism the same way. Jesus came into my life in a whole new way. It was wild as it took 4 years, but little by little he showed me the differences between the two and how the theology conflicted. Then all of the sudden in 2020 mormonism all fell down for me and I made the permanent shift to Christianity.

@jacobsamuelson3181

Ай бұрын

I made a permanent shift to Christianity by staying in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Not the Church of Luther or Calvin or Constatine who created the differences in theology that end up breaking your shelf.

@TheHubbabubbabubble

Ай бұрын

@@jacobsamuelson3181there is one true gospel and it is the one Jesus taught. Sadly, the LDS church teaches something very separate. You can’t be a follower if Christ if you don’t follow Christ. To be Christian means you are a follower of “the way” that Jesus taught.

@jacobsamuelson3181

Ай бұрын

@@TheHubbabubbabubble I'm a follower of Christ in more ways than you know. I physically and spiritually belong to His Church. To say that my Church teaches something separate has nothing to do with with our teachings being wrong but how far away the rest of Christianity drifted away over thousands of years without prophets.

your ability to have hard conversations with people who think differently than you in such an honest and also empathetic way is so beautiful and as a Christian myself watching this I learned so much from both you and Nicole! Thank you for sharing!!

I joined the church rather than growing up in it, and what finally made me leave is when I finally realized it wasn't the same God and Jesus I grew up knowing and learning about

@717greeny

2 ай бұрын

going through this right now!

@thekathrynwest

2 ай бұрын

@@717greeny it's not a fun experience. It finally took me questioning one day why God's 'prophets' are so contradictory of each other and why it seems that policy changes after society does. When no one could answer that for me, I really started diving and it all came down for me. Plus the Adam God theory that Brigham Young (I believe it was him) taught that now everyone is trying to say isn't actually doctrine

@John-jh9ud

Ай бұрын

So you're saying you had knowledge even the spirit of prophecy before joining the LDS faith?? That's confusing for me, if you were already walking with God why would you receive the message of the restoration ¿¿

@thekathrynwest

4 күн бұрын

@@John-jh9ud I grew up in church but can't say I was strong in the faith. I didn't really pick up my Bible or actively seek to learn who God is. Finally I realized that the LDS Church was saying stuff that I didn't think God is and when I went to the Bible for the first time to actually read it to learn I realized how different the two are. I had a very base level of God and Jesus going into the LDS Church. I also didn't know enough about the LDS Church at the time I joined to know what they teach was different than the little I knew at the time

"Each of us needs to know what a testimony is, how we can get it, and what our responsibilities are once we have received a testimony." Robert D. Hales

Amazing, what an articulate episode that is so respectful and real! This hits hard for me as both an agnostic AND Christian universalist. I think we should be able to explore The human condition as we look into the past of what others have believed and as we grapple with what we believe. There's definitely more joy in the journey than false peace in brittle certainty disguised as faith.

Whooo I commend you for having this conversation. This was really difficult for me to listen to, especially when she’s saying Jesus loves you and saying the church does “x, y, z” but then she would talk and it sounded like she was doing the same things. I am agnostic too… and idk if I’ll ever feel comfortable with someone telling me they have that TRUTH or answer even when it’s the atheists saying they are the truly enlightened ones operating from real truth. We’re all alive…on Earth… there’s just some things we can’t know or claim truth over.

Whenever I see these very young men and women leave the Church, it really confirms to me how hard it is for this generation unlike any other generation. The culture is so soft and has created a teddy bear Jesus. A god that is only used for comfort but not for saving. Where we only hear what we want to hear and if we find a Jesus carrying a whip and tossing around tables, telling his disciples to endure to the end we immediately just brush it as a "different" Jesus and turn back to the teddy bear idol. I dont blame these young ladys following the soft culture created by apostasy, I blame Satan who how the Book of Mormon puts it, slowly leads people and then drags thems down with him.

I think having an ideal points us to being our best selves. With addiction in both of their homes, it appears the church was impactful in providing a stabilizing influence.

What's so funny is how they claim the Church is "changing so much" all while uttering it's a cult because it's so different from their "core beliefs" ???

I always get the kindgoms mixed up too but I learned this thing “sea turtle” or “c ter-tel”

Don't just "believe" my friends the LDS faith preaches the reception of knowledge even the spirit of prophecy.

You both look scary similar from a side view at a distance!

Nobody needs a weekly book club to be a decent person who contributes to human flourishing. And the only JESUS you know has been filtered and vetted and VOTED ON by Christianity. That's like saying you KNOW a celebrity based on the fan magazines.

If there's no God then having rules for morality really only make sense to control the masses... But if there is a God, a Creator, an Alpha & Omega, then I challenge you to think... does a Being of that Nature have a right to have a design for his creation? Does he have the right to have rules for 'his house', in a sense? And if there really is an enemy of God as the Bible describes, could it be possible that the understandings of mankind could be mixed up? Just thoughts to ponder as we decide what is truth and what morals we do want to live by. I have compassion for all people but I do sometimes wonder genuinely how people without God decide what is moral? For instance, you mentioned about racism and how that was one of the things that was too far. I 100% agree. But I do because of my belief that humans are made in God's image and are truly equal in His sight. Without God, how can we really prove racism is too far? Because it hurts people? How far can you take that because lots of things hurt people. Get what I'm saying? Throughout history of mankind - racism, caste systems, etc have been huge parts of society and approved by the culture for a long time. Now our society speaks against it, but I think most would agree that racism is not wrong just because there is a government law against it right? Mosr of us would agree that it was wrong long before society made laws against it. How are we confident that our views on other things in society are correct currently without some sort of moral code or standard to fall back on. What makes society feel so confident in it's current terms of morality against all the 'Phobias' and 'isms' given our track record. Also throw out there that many have done atrocities claiming the name of God and that horrible but also Christianity has been the driving force for many things like abolishing slavery. Jesus started the trend of turning culture on its head... Eating with the 'sinners', washing feet of those under him, fighting racism mingling with Samaritans, declaring that the last should be first and the first should be last going again all cultural views of power and honor. So, back to example of racism... if you are able to acknowledge its wrong not bc of the law of the land but actually bc there is a deeper moral law there, it challenges us to really think where does that come from and what even is morality without a Designer and Creator? Without that, morality would be totally subjective.. which makes it no longer true to its nature anymore. Not Knowing truth and Truth not actually Existing to be Known - are 2 different things. If it's probable there is absolute truth about anything, I want to seek it. And if there is a chance there is an absolute truth, agnosticism may but be as safe as it feels. I am seeking truth just like any other truth seeker and am no better than anyone, but I do hope that we can all know truth and that the truth will set us free.

This is a great episode! My only hang up is you saying you don’t believe in Jesus. Jesus was a real person…. You don’t believe Jesus died for your sins…. Just would love people to clarify that a bit more because it gets a bit dicey when you use that verbiage.

What is Girl-scramp? Question why will not people leaving the Church ever mention it by its real name. The name Jesus Himself commanded it be called. Rather you refer to it after a prophet in the Book of Mormon who abridged the book. Ummmm interesting?

@coachmarc2002

2 ай бұрын

Why did the "prophet" Thomas Monson have no problem with the "I'm a Mormon" campaign or the movie Meet the Mormons? Did he not get the message that Russell got about how offensive the name Mormons is to Jesus?

@Thievinghippies

2 ай бұрын

The podcast is Girl’s Camp - not girl scramp. In the church girls ages 12-17 go on a 3-5 night camping trip each summer. Basically just a mini church summer camp.

@ATiredMom

2 ай бұрын

Did Jesus actually command that? We have historical, archeological, and 1000s of manuscripts of the NT to believe what the Bible tells us about Jesus. There is 1 man a several unreliable 'witnesses' that support the Book of Mormon. I don't say this condescendingly but to encourage you to really approach this without any preconceived notion. I really don't mean this disrespectfully but there is a reason from a very early age the LDS church encourages kids to start bearing a "testimony" they aren't even sure they have yet. Think about it. They use the word testimony to attach it to feelings and the spirit but at same time it's taught like a mantra to say over and over until you feel it's right. It's not how anyone should decide what is true. Please read the NT with a truly open heart in a modern translation like the NKJV. The NKJV and many others went directly back to the Greek and Hebrew for thr translation. Translations like the NIV, NLT and ESV now have thousands of different manuscripts with the recorded scriptures--there was not translation after translation from one language to the next where there would be bunches of errors. That is pure lies and that should concern anyone that a supposed prophet would imply that and be so misled on how the Bible texts were handled and translated. Also, those ancient manuscripts are in places that people can easily view and see for themselves. It's not taken back up into heaven where we can't even verify the translation. Jesus was the final High Priest. Consider this I urge you ❤

@jacobsamuelson3181

Ай бұрын

​@@coachmarc2002The question isn't whether President Monson gets the message, it is whether you did. You can only dam yourself, don't throw it on past examples. Especially as a Christian who believes in a book that is full of name changes.