Former diehard believer here (ECT). I am impressed with how balanced you seem to be. I can't imagine that being a convinced universalist and attending a Southern Baptist is always an easy task. And yet here you are. You seem like one of the good guys.
@davidlyons62353 күн бұрын
The "him" and "that man" is not the same person as the "he" in both passages. Him, that man, i.e. the Son of man. He, i.e. Judas. It would have been better for the Son of man if Judas had not been born.
@debbieward97324 күн бұрын
Jesus didn’t shed his blood for the devil and his angels nor the beast and the false prophet so I’m guessing the lake of fire will be quite permanent for them and whoever else’s name is not written in the Lamb’s book of life. I don’t think we have any idea of what the second death entails. Maybe it’s having to spend eternity in the lake of fire with the first ‘death and hades’.
@markisrael93004 күн бұрын
There needs to be more Churches that promote Universal Salvation rightly divided from the Holy Scriptures/Bible. If there was a group of believers in Brisbane Australia they would get my vote and support. There is becoming an uprising in this holy and pure doctrine that is from God, for more is yet to be revealed for those who have overlooked it dear fellow believers. We have this doctrine because the worldly wise have heresy. Shalum/Peace
@noahtylerpritchett26824 күн бұрын
Can their statements be proven? How come God said those will be cast forever in the book of revelation?
@orthodoxuniversalist4 күн бұрын
I’d recommend this explanation from Vincent on the Greek terms translated “forever” in the English Bible. Hope this helps. Thanks for the comment! biblehub.com/commentaries/vws/2_thessalonians/1.htm
@kjhgfdfghjkdrtyuiwewe4 күн бұрын
Out of curiosity, have you watched Total Victory of Christ? I've been compiling a paper to argue against the false doctrine of eternal punishment because learning the truth (that God doesn't endlessly punish people) opened my and my friends heart to Christ. God bless.
@orthodoxuniversalist3 күн бұрын
@@kjhgfdfghjkdrtyuiwewe I’ve watched some. I need to watch more. From what I’ve seen, many good points! Thank you for sharing your story! I hope the message of universal reconciliation will open more and more hearts to the gospel! It’s good news!
@kjhgfdfghjkdrtyuiwewe2 күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist it sure is! Highly recommend Total victory of Christ's video series on "AION" and his Lake of fire series
@justchilling704Күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Indeed Michael (I think that’s his name) makes good points and scriptural arguments. Personally I’m greatly helped by both your channels, and the likes of Robin Perry, David Bentley Hart Michael Heiser and so on.
@davidlyons62355 күн бұрын
My question is, if OLAM and AION sometimes mean AGE or AGES, why not always?
@wayneverhoff27905 күн бұрын
How do you believe in eternal punishment if you believe one day Hell will be emptied and all people will be united in Christ?
@wayneverhoff27905 күн бұрын
Wait how does universal subjection imply universal salvation?
@brucecawlfield49096 күн бұрын
All things are possible for God Is anything too hard for the Lord? All means all God's love and power infinitely exceed the God given and limited ability of creatures to fall The Lord lifts all who fall Where sin abounds ( not just exists ) GRACE ABOUNDS MUCH MORE!
@davidlyons62357 күн бұрын
No. Not sharing it would be like hiding the talents.
@brucecawlfield49098 күн бұрын
Yes! Awesome!
@brucecawlfield49098 күн бұрын
Excellent!
@twotetah9 күн бұрын
I think you would fit well in the Eastern Orthodox church.
@truthseekers162012 күн бұрын
Christ is the savior of all men
@truthseekers162012 күн бұрын
they just turning people away from God what about the grace of God through Christ
@samthomas946813 күн бұрын
Thank you
@user-nd7dy2kv6x14 күн бұрын
Mark 9:42-45 clv 42 "And whosoever should be snaring one of these little ones who are believing in Me, ideal is it for him rather if a millstone requiring an ass to turn it were lying about his neck and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if your hand should ever be snaring you, strike it off. It is ideal for you to be entering into life maimed, rather than, having two hands, to come away into Gehenna, into the unextinguished fire 44 where their worm is not deceasing and the fire is not going out. 45 And if your foot should be snaring you, strike it off. For it is ideal for you to be entering into life maimed or lame, rather than, having two feet, to be cast into Gehenna, into the unextinguished fire, John 3:36 kjv He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. "shall not see life" Did Judas believe on the Son ? There were Jews who had believed in Jesus (John 8:31) who Jesus said were of their father the devil. There are "children of God" and "children of the devil". Nowhere does the Bible say all are the "children of God".
@devindaniels137911 күн бұрын
"shall not see life" doesn't mean they never will. Even on your own belief system people don't believe before they come to believe. So both you and the majority of Christian universalists agree that eternal life is only achieved upon belief. I'm guessing the only difference is that you believe there is a deadline of physical death. I believe everyone being children of God comes from Acts 17. I'm sure you'd say that is in a different sense, but being a child of God or Satan is the same as belief/unbelief or old-self/new-self. Again it doesn't mean you don't move from one to the other. All of us were among them at one time after all. Satan is the father of lies, that is what your old self is, your new self is who you truly are. And God will make all things new.
@user-nd7dy2kv6x11 күн бұрын
@@devindaniels1379 you: ""shall not see life" doesn't mean they never will." shall not - means shall not - unless you are a universalist - then it means shall ;) you: "Even on your own belief system people don't believe before they come to believe." According to Paul - only those who were chosen before the foundation will come to faith. They are the only ones "called", "justified", and "glorified" (Rom 8:30). you said: "So both you and the majority of Christian universalists agree that eternal life is only achieved upon belief." There are plenty of verses that speak of people believing in this life. Universalists have "0" that say all of humanity (past, present, future) will believe after they die. Did i mention "0" ? you: "I'm guessing the only difference is that you believe there is a deadline of physical death." Yes, when a person dies - that is the DEADline except for the elect. you: "I believe everyone being children of God comes from Acts 17. I'm sure you'd say that is in a different sense, but being a child of God or Satan is the same as belief/unbelief or old-self/new-self." If the risen Christ had revealed to Paul that all are "children of God" then i would believe it. But He didn't. you: "Again it doesn't mean you don't move from one to the other." Only the elect are quickened from death to life. you: "All of us were among them at one time after all." The elect were "by nature" children of wrath - their fallen nature was just like the rest. Paul NEVER says the elect were "children of the devil". Before God shined into their heart - they were blinded by the devil - but Paul never says they were "children of the devil". The elect were never appointed to wrath. you: "Satan is the father of lies, that is what your old self is, your new self is who you truly are. And God will make all things new. Only the elect are a new creation in Christ Jesus. You are living in fantasy land if you think all are in Christ and a new creation. What Paul says in Eph Ch 1 - pertains to the elect - not all of humanity. What Paul says in Romans 8:35-39 applies to the elect - not all of humanity.
@devindaniels137911 күн бұрын
So, "shall not see" means "shall not see", but people in an unbelieving state will come to faith if they are part of the elect? So that person that currently doesn't believe and, therefore, "shall not see" - still ends up seeing. It doesn't matter how you phrase it, you still agree that "shall not see" is not a permanent state for anyone that ends up believing later on.
@user-nd7dy2kv6x11 күн бұрын
@@devindaniels1379 you said: "So, "shall not see" means "shall not see", but people in an unbelieving state will come to faith if they are part of the elect?" Yes, the elect are not appointed to wrath. The unbelieving "shall not see life". That's what the Bible teaches. you: "So that person that currently doesn't believe and, therefore, "shall not see" - still ends up seeing. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the elect "shall not see life". Nice try The elect stand on what the Word says and don't play word games in an attempt to MANipulate the text - and make it say what they want it to mean! you: "It doesn't matter how you phrase it, you still agree that "shall not see" is not a permanent state for anyone that ends up believing later on." Nowhere in the Bible does it say the elect "shall not see life". Nowhere in the Bible does it say all of humanity (past, present, future) is saved - and will see life.
@devindaniels137911 күн бұрын
All your verse says is the one not believing will not see life. You keep importing your concept of election into it. So I'll try a direct question to see where I'm losing you. Someone currently doesn't believe, can we say anything about whether or not they will see life? Please note that needing any further information about said person (i.e. whether or not they are elect) is going beyond anything in your verse.
@dutchmcgee10115 күн бұрын
My favorite concept album is The Seraphic Clockwork by Vanden Plas. It's about a wrong timeline of Judas not betraying Jesus and the diabolical future that happens.
@whatsupjkj15 күн бұрын
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven in this age or the age to come so it’s often used as a proof text of ECT. How do we argue against this?
@whatsupjkj15 күн бұрын
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven in this age or the age to come so it’s often used as a proof text of ECT.
@martyb410815 күн бұрын
I'm not a big McArthur fan, but I don't get how you can say that his point is weak when he is simply making a very logical and most basic, commonly used argument. If you think that Analogia Scriptura is an exegesis of the absolute worst kind, you are opening up a massive can of worms when it comes to MANY other believes that many have held to justify some serious problematic beliefs. Case in point. How do we argue that Jesus is God, contrary to the Jehovah's Witness belief that Jesus was a creation of the Father? You have to use other scriptures like John 1:1 to argue against their main foundational scripture of labeling Jesus as "the first born of all creation". If the first born of all creation is left on its own, then it stands to reason that Jesus was created. Plus, let's use your perspective, but let's turn the tables. In Matt 12:32, regarding the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the sin that won't be forgiven in this age or the next, if we leave that scripture as is, then it never says forgiveness will eventually happen because it doesn't elaborate more after the next "age". So you would have to give another scripture to help explain that there would be an age of the "next age" to where all will be reconciled by using a reconciliation type scripture. Of course you use this same logic of analogia scriptura. All universalists of every group use it to contradict 'salvation for some', type scriptures. So if you're saying that McArthur's argument is "exegesis of the worst kind", then you're guilty of the same thing and contradicting yourself. Plus, the bigger thing is, I've heard you do it in other videos. Bottom line is, you don't like that argument because it's a legit argument and it does rationally explain the position of "salvation for some". It doesn't mean it's true or false, but it's a fully legit argument that everyone uses whether they know they are using it or not.
@orthodoxuniversalist15 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing your take! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. However, if you consider everything I said about the use of Analogia Scriptura, I think you'll find that I fully endorse it. It's not Analogia Scriptura that I take issue with. Rather, it's MacArthur himself that goes off the rails. He names Analogia Scriptura, claiming it's the route he took to arrive at his destination, and then proves by his explanation that he did no such thing. Consider the fuller context of my statements from the video below. I think you'll find that we see eye-to-eye. "It is an exegesis of the absolute worst kind to simply gloss over certain texts of the Bible - such as MacArthur does with this text - because he holds other texts in a higher regard. Don’t get me wrong. I think interpreting scripture by scripture is the best hermeneutical formula. But this doesn’t mean we cancel out the implications of one scripture on the basis of another, but rather that we take the full weight of every scripture, even if they seem contradictory, and refuse to stop digging for understanding until we can appreciate how the unbridled emphasis of each scripture individually contributes to the clearest image of truth when they are taken synthetically."
@martyb410814 күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Okay, I hear you. I just don't understand in your explanation why you think he was off in the first place. Why did you have to say that Analogia Scriptura was a problem when he used it to explain why Paul was saying that 1 Col 16-20 was within a context? John wasn't cancelling out the implications of 1 Col. He was just interpreting it differently than you were. At the end of the day, all of our disagreements come down to the angle in which we are interpreting something. The way he is interpreting it is the way it was always interpreted by the majority throughout history. It's a pretty normal interpretation. The only time it gets challenged over the centuries is when a Universalist movement rises up, and then later dies down after it fizzles out.
@onceamusician540816 күн бұрын
no universalist is EVER orthodox. you will find that out come judgement day when you get your chance to plead your case before the Almighty Himself
@Joeyk5703015 күн бұрын
We love you too ❤
@dutchmcgee10115 күн бұрын
You do realize all means all, right? Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
@AquaticDot14 күн бұрын
Why would believing that God is the most merciful God conceivable something I should defend to God? If I'm wrong, I see no reason to think God will view me harshly for believing He is capable and willing to reconcile all of mankind, and I know God knows my heart well enough to know that my belief is based in faith and love for Him. It's honestly silly to me when ECT believers act like, if your theology isn't 100% correct, you're hell-bound. God help the Calvinists if free will is true, or they're going to suffer forever, right? Oops, you believed the Garden of Eden was literal when it was actually metaphorical? Enjoy eternal torture, sinner! Like, it's so obviously ridiculous that I don't know why I'm bothering writing this.
@stephengorman102512 күн бұрын
We have seen the judgement of God on the Cross (Father forgive them they know not what they do). Sin has been forgiven and Death defeated and the Spirit and the Bride call all to live in this reality. God will make Mankind in his image, it will not happen in this age but it will come to pass. Colossians 1v15-20. Grace and Peace
@keymind11712 күн бұрын
People always get so angry towards universalists. I don't know why.
@deeveevideos16 күн бұрын
Judas was the greatest apostle, without him the process wouldn't have happened the way it did. God is the savior of all!
@Crimsonlupus14 күн бұрын
That sentence feels so wrong but yeah if you look at it that way 😅
@user-nd7dy2kv6x14 күн бұрын
@@Crimsonlupus The elect's faith is from God (Eph 6:23 kjv), (Rom 12:3 kjv). It's fruit of the Spirit of God (Gal 5:22 kjv). It does not originate from within or out of themselves. In contrast - the "natural man" believes whatever the "spirit of the world" leads him to believe - which is always a distortion of the truth. The Bible speaks of the devil, and satan, that deceived the whole world. Scripture says those born of the flesh persecute those born of the Spirit (Gal 4:28). There are only two groups in the Bible. All men are "by nature" children of wrath coming into this world. That doesn't mean they are simply sinners deserving of wrath - b/c believers are sinners too. It means they are UNBELIEVING sinners. the mind of those "born of the flesh" is enmity against God (Rom 8:7-9 kjv). Those "born of the Spirit" - have been made alive Spiritually - they have been quickened - they have been regenerated (Titus 3:5 kjv). That's why they believe - that's why they understand - that's why they seek after God. God makes the difference - not them! Men left to themselves do not understand, or seek after God. So how does this all end ? "vessels of mercy" and "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction" (Rom 9:20-24 kjv). Universalists don't like it - but that's what the Bible teaches.
@deeveevideos14 күн бұрын
@@Crimsonlupus lol right I know what you mean.
@justchilling70412 күн бұрын
People always forget Jesus said himself “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” ESV. Just as God used the moral failure of Joseph’s brothers to ultimately bring about salvation for the family, God used Judas’s moral failure ti bring about salvation for everyone. You make a good point.
@mollyporium5086Күн бұрын
Please don’t say it like that. You’re disrespecting the apostles who went to the ends of the known world to spread the gospel and be martyred for the faith. Judas doesn’t hold a candle light to them.
@thecoopfamily247516 күн бұрын
Yessir, another fantastic video. I appreciate all you share!
@michaelart487816 күн бұрын
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@hellerart16 күн бұрын
Isn‘t Judas the Savior, if you believe in Christianity? As well as the romans, who put him at the cross? Just imagine all of this would not have happend. Would we even remember Jesus if he lived happily to 90 years? So they all played their roles. So I love Judas and so will a loving god. If god puts a single being into hell for eternity, he is not the love and therefore not god. Nothing to fear. I believe in reincarnation anyway. Hitler will probably have to live 10.000 lives until risen into heaven in the year 7.000.000 maybe. Enough time to even purify his soul. Thats god love: He guides us all home. Like a mother that will never drop any kod. Thats the god of love I believe in. Just imagine, an allmighty God could end hell. If he can‘t he is not allmighty. If he doesn‘t want, he is not the love and therefore not God.
@justchilling70412 күн бұрын
No read John 10:18. Jesus alike is the savior. God can make good out of evil decisions.
@michaell142516 күн бұрын
Good job. Now it's time to scrutinize likewise that Nicean faith you extolled. i.e. time to study unitarian Christianity.
@endlessnameless700416 күн бұрын
Look at the Greek. "It would have been better if he had not been born that man." He's just saying Judas would have been better off being born someone else.
@AquaticDot14 күн бұрын
Is there a meaningful distinction between those two things?
@devindaniels137916 күн бұрын
Another good verse for "not born" not being the same as not existing (especially for this passage) is Ecclesiastes 6:3 : If a man begets a hundred children and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul is not satisfied with goodness, or indeed he has no burial, I say that a stillborn child is better than he
@alt893816 күн бұрын
Great video as always. Thank you. I don't know if you think this needs to be covered in regards to Universalism but I'm curious as to what you think of Once Saved Always Saved as it pertains to this life.
@madeirafonseca638316 күн бұрын
Read Ezekiel chapter 18; it blows the doctrine of eternal security out of the water.
@Delsha77716 күн бұрын
I like your reasoning abilities. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. God is worthy of our adoration and praise continuously.
@user-em5tc8vt2o16 күн бұрын
Can you also help discover Gnosticism ? It said Satan (Demiurge) took the role of God YHWH and trolling humans at Old Testimant Do you think it is heresy ? Why is it wrong or illogical in the lens of christian universalism.
@samueljennings480915 күн бұрын
It 100% would be heresy. If the God of the Old Testament was not the God of the New Testament also then Jesus could not be the Messiah. The scriptures and prophecies and worldview behind Jesus’ message is rooted in the Old Testament. Yes, there is a new covenant, but the validity of the Old Testament is assumed and used to build upon for His new covenant. If the Old Testament’s God was Satan, then the whole continuity of the gospel falls apart. It was condemned in the second century when this idea came up under the name of Marcionism, and rightfully so.
@user-em5tc8vt2o15 күн бұрын
@samueljennings4809 That's one good point. But a lot of people still think Gnosticism is true. Is it explaining the OT God being morally questionable in Hunan sense The comment section of Video, like Genesis in lens of Gnosticism and Moses life in lens of Gnosticism, have a lot of people believing that the creator God is a Malevolent Jerk Can you prove to them more why Gnosticism is heresy ?
@user-em5tc8vt2o15 күн бұрын
@samueljennings4809 I mean the video made by Parry Megistus
@justchilling70412 күн бұрын
Jesus literally claimed to be the God of the Old Testament, not only is Gnosticism heresy, it’s clear that all streams of Gnostic thought do not understand the Old Testament at all.
@kevinrombouts302716 күн бұрын
An excellent explanation once again. Thanks.
@bignoob179016 күн бұрын
I guess one of the things that stumps me with universalism is the passages that say he will save many or a ransom that will pay for many, can you help me with that?
@devindaniels137916 күн бұрын
Jesus is how universalism is accomplished. He is the savior of all men. He saved all from sin and death.
@stephengorman102516 күн бұрын
Many can be used as a synonym for all. Read Romans 5v12-21.
@KevinGeneFeldman16 күн бұрын
How do we square the passages where Jesus says "Depart from me I NEVER knew you" with the passages that say "from before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
@devindaniels137916 күн бұрын
What's the only thing an omniscient being doesn't know? A lie. That's exactly what you are when you are still your old self. Your father is still Satan (the father of lies). You still need to be made new. The one God always knew.
@stephengorman102516 күн бұрын
Who we are in our trespasses and sins is not the person God had in mind when he created us. God will make us in His image because we were created in Love and Love never fails. That process will include judgement and punishment but it will be restorative (kolasis) and not retributive (timoria).
@justchilling70412 күн бұрын
There’s nothing to explain, they will be separated from God. This isn’t for forever though. That’s a possibility but not one claimed by scripture.
@89bavaro89Күн бұрын
God never knew the sinner,or false self, for it is a fiction. God only knows truth.
@SummarizeEverything16 күн бұрын
Great video! Keep up the good content!
@tomm616717 күн бұрын
An excellent presentation. Here are a few more reasons people can get out of hell: THE FORGIVABLE SINS -- "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not ... either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:31-32). The wording strongly suggests that all sins except one, including blasphemies against Christ, will be forgiven in the next age if they're not forgiven in this age. (For Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, compare Matt. 12:32 with Eph. 2:7.) BAPTISMS FOR THE DEAD -- In 1 Cor. 15:29, Paul addresses -- and does not condemn (per se) -- the Corinthians' practice of being baptized for the dead. But this practice would have been absurd if one's eternal fate is sealed at death. Also, prayers for the dead were almost universal in the early church. THE DEAD HEAR THE GOSPEL AND LIVE -- "For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may *live in the spirit* according to the will of God" (1 Peter 4:6). (Also see Psalm 68:18, Zech. 9:11-12, Matt. 12:29, Eph. 4:8-10.) WHO IS THIRSTY? -- "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come'. And let the one who hears say, 'Come'. And let the one who is *thirsty* come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price." (Rev. 22:17) The setting of Rev. 22:17 is the Rev. 21-22 new heaven and new earth, since the "water of life" is also mentioned in Rev. 21:6 & 22:1, and it's the Rev. 21-22 "Bride" who is speaking -- not the "church" or the "lampstands." But who are the thirsty ones? Who else is there? The thirsty ones must be those in the Lake of Fire, located outside the city gates (Rev. 22:14-15), which never close (Rev. 21:25). SODOM RESTORED -- "I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them ... And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before" (Ezek. 16:53,55). In verses 47-55, the pronouns "their" and "they" identify the restored individuals as being those who were destroyed in Gen. 19 because of their abominations (Ezek. 16:50) and for other reasons (Ezek. 16:49). They will first need to be punished and purified in God's symbolic and refining Lake of Fire. DRY BONES LIVE -- "Then he said to me, `Son of man, these bones are the *whole* house of Israel. Behold they say, "Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off."' Therefore prophesy, and say to them, `Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves, O my people... And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, O my people. And I will put my spirit within you, and you shall live'" (Ezek. 37:11-14a). BLINDINGS -- God has either directly caused, or permitted, various groups of people to be blinded to the truth (e.g. Mark 4:10-12, Rom. 11:25, 2 Cor. 4:3-4). This would seem to require an unblinded opportunity in the afterlife. DEAFENING SILENCE -- The first 2/3 of the Bible is completely silent about Hell, and the last 1/3 uses the ambiguous-at-best Greek word _aion_ and its derivatives to describe Hell's duration. This makes no sense if (a) God is love and (b) eternal torment is true. There would have been clear and dire warnings on almost every page. For instance, why did Noah infinitely understate the penalty when he warned his neighbors only of a worldwide flood and not of eternal conscious torment? EVENTUAL UNIVERSAL SALVATION EXPLICITLY TAUGHT -- See John 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3. These verses, and many others like them, imply second chances.
@lbjay891418 күн бұрын
Fiery furnaces REFINE
@homoviator555318 күн бұрын
Didymus the Blind is more precise: "It must be noted that αἰώνιος has several meanings: in the expression, “αἰώνιος God,” it means beginningless and endless”; for the divinity is called αἰώνιος by virtue of having neither a beginning nor an end of its existence. But αἰώνιος is something different when used in the expression, “things unseen are αἰώνια”: for these things are not αἰώνια in the way God is, but rather because they do not perish but remain forever in the same condition. And αἰώνιος is meant differently again when it is measured against present time, as when it is said: “the sons of this αἰών are wiser in their generation”; for the time that extends over the life of a human being is also called an αἰών." (Com. on Job, 76).
@orthodoxuniversalist18 күн бұрын
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
@jasonbaer634119 күн бұрын
They past away at the cross, the law that is!
@TrevorDowns00720 күн бұрын
Good summary! Funny I assumed you were EO as well.
@ProdigalClay20 күн бұрын
Good words, my brother!
@tommywarren463321 күн бұрын
I will take Jesus at his word, the finished work of the cross, John 19.30, and Jesus will literally drag, all people to himself, John 12:32, enough said!!!
@tommywarren463321 күн бұрын
First off there is no hell in the true Hebrew or Greek scriptures from cover to cover, Jesus never said it and his apostles never taught it, and second off so far in your reconciliation text, you haven't mentioned 2 Corinthians 5:18 and 19 which is the same as the Colossians text, that was God was in Christ, reconciling the cosmos to himself,!!! You're right about the reconciliation business, and you're dead wrong about Hell, hell is purely a pagan myth, and is not in the Bible from cover to cover, Hell came to us, Viva la Latin Vulgate, thanks to Mr Augustine,!!!!!!!
@nikita00000122 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for sharing. I am wondering why you believe that there will always be eternal hell?
@orthodoxuniversalist22 күн бұрын
Thanks for commenting! I believe in eternal punishment but I don’t think it will “always” be. I think we can understand the eternal in contrast to the temporal. Anything within eternity can be described as “eternal” but that doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is locked in that something permanently. Nor does it mean that that something will always exist. I talk about this in a little more detail in some of my other videos (“Universalism Debunked?” for example). Thanks again!
@TheWhyisthatso23 күн бұрын
The Bible teaches REINCARNATION.......see Job 33 : 29-30 for example . Jesus taught reincarnation.....this is easily proven in the New Testament scriptures . Judaism still teaches reincarnation to this day . The first true "church" taught reincarnation until the false Roman Church (antichrist) outlawed the teaching and removed scriptures at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 AD . The "lake of fire" or the "second death" in Revelation is the process and cycle of reincarnation . "Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched" ( Mark 9 : 44, 46, 48 ) The "worm" is the maggot that consumes the dead body after death and the "fire" is the trials, pain and suffering of this world that "refines" and perfects (matures) the "spirit" that we really are . This process is the result of our own "carnal minds" ( also called the "serpent", the "devil" and "Satan" ). Also called "karma" or the law of cause and consequences that governs this physical reality (world) . "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows that shall he also reap ." ( Galatians 6:7 ) The Apostle Paul called this process "the law of sin and death" ( karma and reincarnation ) that we need to be freed from in Romans 8:2 .......which is what the death of Christ did when he paid our "sin debt" . But only if we deny our "self" and "crucify" or put to death our "flesh" (carnal mind) and "follow Him" as He commanded . "That old serpent called the devil and Satan (man's own carnal mind) that DECEIVES the whole world ." ( Revelation 12:9 )
@twotetah23 күн бұрын
I'm somewhat of a "semi Christian Universalist". I do believe "with God all things are possible". This brings me much hope. But there is one thing that concerns me. If everyone will eventually be purified and saved, why should anyone become a follower of Jesus? Since everyone will be saved at some point anyway. I get that God is perfect,and if we follow Him, we can stay out of much trouble and have blessings in this life. Maybe by accepting Him and following Him, we don't go through so much "purifying fire" in the afterlife? I don't know. A lot of it sounds really good, and some things don't feel quite right. Not wanting debate or arguments. Looking for good insights/opinions.
@orthodoxuniversalist22 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment! The question you refer to is a common one: “why should anyone become a follower of Jesus if they’ll eventually be saved anyway.” Many conventional teachers use this question to belittle the doctrine of Christian Universalism. But there are at least two issues with it. First, it doesn’t disprove universalism is just sidesteps the proof of it all together. If scripture teaches that all men will be saved through Christ then it really doesn’t matter how the world responds to that fact. If it’s true, it is true whether it makes sense to us or not, or whether we think it will elicit the right response or not. Second, the question is built upon the premise that the only motivation for following Jesus is if he is going to punish us forever and ever if we don’t. But scripture says that “we love him because he first loved us.” Can we imagine asking the same question of anyone else that loves us? Would we ask, “why not cheat on my spouse if they will love me anyway?” Or “why not let my children starve, if they are hungry, if they will love me anyway?” It’s the love of those around us that motivates us to love them back, and it’s the love of God that should motivate us to love him. If the only thing that motivates us to love God is the fear of what he might do to us, I don’t think we love him in the first place. Thanks again!
@twotetah22 күн бұрын
Interesting. Thank you for the reply. It's funny how one question begets another. Please bear with me. If C.U. is true, then why send missionaries? Besides obedience, that is. I'm truly trying to grasp a better understanding.
@orthodoxuniversalist22 күн бұрын
@@twotetah Understandable questions. First, we do missions because we are called to participate in the salvation process. Saint Paul says, “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.” A more accurate translation of the last bit might be: “having put in us the word of reconciliation.” God made the world through word. And he now intends to make all things new through word, and he’s chosen that we will have an essential part to play in this process. Second, we engage in missions because we believe the spiritual war is real, and we want all men to come to Christ and find rest for their souls. There’s a real dark lord and there is real evil in the world. If we can see a world transformed by the gospel - more children safe from harm, more minds set free from the bondage of sin, more divine light shining in dark corners - why wouldn’t we want that. What sort of people would we be if we said, “let the world rot. Let the children starve, the people wallow in bondage, and the world be overtaken by darkness. We need not love our neighbor because God will eventually do it for us?” If these are our sentiments then we truly don’t understand salvation in the first place. The manifestation of the kingdom of God will be the manifestation of every good thing. If we do not value the good things, and only value deliverance from hell, then we are exceedingly lost. If we don’t love what the kingdom will look like now what makes us think we will love it later? We aren’t fit for it. Third, we do mission work for the reasons that Jesus called us to do mission work: to make disciples of all nations by baptizing people and teaching them to observe all that Christ has commanded us. Our love for him, and trust in him as the perfect king, should inspire us to reach the lost. We should be motivated less by having a perfect understanding of what will come of our efforts and more by the simple acknowledgement that, since the King we are following is perfect, the ends he will accomplish through it all will be perfect as well. It’s a tragedy, in my opinion, that many have made missions a single issue topic. Many conventional teachers would say that we must make disciples to save people from hell. But did Jesus ever say this? Even once? The perfect King and all the brilliance of his kingdom should motivate us to reach the lost. This is why the kingdom is mentioned over 150 times in the New Testament and why it the very first thing Jesus talks about when he began his earthly ministry (Matthew 4:17). Hell will be an aspect of the manifestation of the kingdom. And we shouldn’t avoid talking about it. But it is not the only aspect or the centerpiece. Total transformation of heart, mind, soul, and strength is what Christ desires. He wants to see man transformed and then see him transcend the realm of sin and death altogether. He invites us to begin the infinite pursuit of the infinite God right now - to plant our feet on the endless path of discovering an eternal creator. We do mission work because we want to see other people step onto this path as well - to see all men begin the merry, adventurous pilgrimage that never ends. More could be said. We could talk about the fatherhood of God, the solidarity we should share with all men, the body of Christ, and even the personal fulfillment of speaking truth and being obedient. But forgive the ramble. Thanks!
@WisdomWonMusic23 күн бұрын
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah! youtube.com/@WisdomWonMusic
@jaimes796624 күн бұрын
I was wondering if a person can give up on God permanently
@orthodoxuniversalist23 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Some would say yes. C.S. Lewis famously remarked that he thought hell would be locked from the inside. In his view, the main thing wasn’t that God gave up on sinners but that he allowed sinners the choice to give up on him, and to lock him out. While I love C.S. Lewis, I can’t reconcile his take on this with passages like 1 Corinthians 15, where we find that all things will be subjected to Christ. On a personal note, I don’t think that we can stop ourselves from moving forward. We are designed to be God’s image bearers, and since God is infinite, we are destined for an infinite journey of discovering him, and reflecting who he is. So, no, I don’t think that a person can give up on God permanently. If you want a little more detail, check out the video called “Destined For Progress” on the channel. Thanks again!
@jaimes796622 күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Ty, I agree with the aspects of God you mentioned btw, it’s just I get the feeling the problem doesn’t lie with God’s lacking. I’m EO too and couldn’t ever imagine someone wanting to reject God btw, especially after witnessing his Grace but I’ve always wondered if someone would reject healing permanently since the choice does exist? I am hopeful all get saved ofc, but I don’t think Christ would force it…. (There’s that undying worm part which did give me food for thought) Will check out your video :)
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Former diehard believer here (ECT). I am impressed with how balanced you seem to be. I can't imagine that being a convinced universalist and attending a Southern Baptist is always an easy task. And yet here you are. You seem like one of the good guys.
The "him" and "that man" is not the same person as the "he" in both passages. Him, that man, i.e. the Son of man. He, i.e. Judas. It would have been better for the Son of man if Judas had not been born.
Jesus didn’t shed his blood for the devil and his angels nor the beast and the false prophet so I’m guessing the lake of fire will be quite permanent for them and whoever else’s name is not written in the Lamb’s book of life. I don’t think we have any idea of what the second death entails. Maybe it’s having to spend eternity in the lake of fire with the first ‘death and hades’.
There needs to be more Churches that promote Universal Salvation rightly divided from the Holy Scriptures/Bible. If there was a group of believers in Brisbane Australia they would get my vote and support. There is becoming an uprising in this holy and pure doctrine that is from God, for more is yet to be revealed for those who have overlooked it dear fellow believers. We have this doctrine because the worldly wise have heresy. Shalum/Peace
Can their statements be proven? How come God said those will be cast forever in the book of revelation?
I’d recommend this explanation from Vincent on the Greek terms translated “forever” in the English Bible. Hope this helps. Thanks for the comment! biblehub.com/commentaries/vws/2_thessalonians/1.htm
Out of curiosity, have you watched Total Victory of Christ? I've been compiling a paper to argue against the false doctrine of eternal punishment because learning the truth (that God doesn't endlessly punish people) opened my and my friends heart to Christ. God bless.
@@kjhgfdfghjkdrtyuiwewe I’ve watched some. I need to watch more. From what I’ve seen, many good points! Thank you for sharing your story! I hope the message of universal reconciliation will open more and more hearts to the gospel! It’s good news!
@@orthodoxuniversalist it sure is! Highly recommend Total victory of Christ's video series on "AION" and his Lake of fire series
@@orthodoxuniversalist Indeed Michael (I think that’s his name) makes good points and scriptural arguments. Personally I’m greatly helped by both your channels, and the likes of Robin Perry, David Bentley Hart Michael Heiser and so on.
My question is, if OLAM and AION sometimes mean AGE or AGES, why not always?
How do you believe in eternal punishment if you believe one day Hell will be emptied and all people will be united in Christ?
Wait how does universal subjection imply universal salvation?
All things are possible for God Is anything too hard for the Lord? All means all God's love and power infinitely exceed the God given and limited ability of creatures to fall The Lord lifts all who fall Where sin abounds ( not just exists ) GRACE ABOUNDS MUCH MORE!
No. Not sharing it would be like hiding the talents.
Yes! Awesome!
Excellent!
I think you would fit well in the Eastern Orthodox church.
Christ is the savior of all men
they just turning people away from God what about the grace of God through Christ
Thank you
Mark 9:42-45 clv 42 "And whosoever should be snaring one of these little ones who are believing in Me, ideal is it for him rather if a millstone requiring an ass to turn it were lying about his neck and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if your hand should ever be snaring you, strike it off. It is ideal for you to be entering into life maimed, rather than, having two hands, to come away into Gehenna, into the unextinguished fire 44 where their worm is not deceasing and the fire is not going out. 45 And if your foot should be snaring you, strike it off. For it is ideal for you to be entering into life maimed or lame, rather than, having two feet, to be cast into Gehenna, into the unextinguished fire, John 3:36 kjv He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. "shall not see life" Did Judas believe on the Son ? There were Jews who had believed in Jesus (John 8:31) who Jesus said were of their father the devil. There are "children of God" and "children of the devil". Nowhere does the Bible say all are the "children of God".
"shall not see life" doesn't mean they never will. Even on your own belief system people don't believe before they come to believe. So both you and the majority of Christian universalists agree that eternal life is only achieved upon belief. I'm guessing the only difference is that you believe there is a deadline of physical death. I believe everyone being children of God comes from Acts 17. I'm sure you'd say that is in a different sense, but being a child of God or Satan is the same as belief/unbelief or old-self/new-self. Again it doesn't mean you don't move from one to the other. All of us were among them at one time after all. Satan is the father of lies, that is what your old self is, your new self is who you truly are. And God will make all things new.
@@devindaniels1379 you: ""shall not see life" doesn't mean they never will." shall not - means shall not - unless you are a universalist - then it means shall ;) you: "Even on your own belief system people don't believe before they come to believe." According to Paul - only those who were chosen before the foundation will come to faith. They are the only ones "called", "justified", and "glorified" (Rom 8:30). you said: "So both you and the majority of Christian universalists agree that eternal life is only achieved upon belief." There are plenty of verses that speak of people believing in this life. Universalists have "0" that say all of humanity (past, present, future) will believe after they die. Did i mention "0" ? you: "I'm guessing the only difference is that you believe there is a deadline of physical death." Yes, when a person dies - that is the DEADline except for the elect. you: "I believe everyone being children of God comes from Acts 17. I'm sure you'd say that is in a different sense, but being a child of God or Satan is the same as belief/unbelief or old-self/new-self." If the risen Christ had revealed to Paul that all are "children of God" then i would believe it. But He didn't. you: "Again it doesn't mean you don't move from one to the other." Only the elect are quickened from death to life. you: "All of us were among them at one time after all." The elect were "by nature" children of wrath - their fallen nature was just like the rest. Paul NEVER says the elect were "children of the devil". Before God shined into their heart - they were blinded by the devil - but Paul never says they were "children of the devil". The elect were never appointed to wrath. you: "Satan is the father of lies, that is what your old self is, your new self is who you truly are. And God will make all things new. Only the elect are a new creation in Christ Jesus. You are living in fantasy land if you think all are in Christ and a new creation. What Paul says in Eph Ch 1 - pertains to the elect - not all of humanity. What Paul says in Romans 8:35-39 applies to the elect - not all of humanity.
So, "shall not see" means "shall not see", but people in an unbelieving state will come to faith if they are part of the elect? So that person that currently doesn't believe and, therefore, "shall not see" - still ends up seeing. It doesn't matter how you phrase it, you still agree that "shall not see" is not a permanent state for anyone that ends up believing later on.
@@devindaniels1379 you said: "So, "shall not see" means "shall not see", but people in an unbelieving state will come to faith if they are part of the elect?" Yes, the elect are not appointed to wrath. The unbelieving "shall not see life". That's what the Bible teaches. you: "So that person that currently doesn't believe and, therefore, "shall not see" - still ends up seeing. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the elect "shall not see life". Nice try The elect stand on what the Word says and don't play word games in an attempt to MANipulate the text - and make it say what they want it to mean! you: "It doesn't matter how you phrase it, you still agree that "shall not see" is not a permanent state for anyone that ends up believing later on." Nowhere in the Bible does it say the elect "shall not see life". Nowhere in the Bible does it say all of humanity (past, present, future) is saved - and will see life.
All your verse says is the one not believing will not see life. You keep importing your concept of election into it. So I'll try a direct question to see where I'm losing you. Someone currently doesn't believe, can we say anything about whether or not they will see life? Please note that needing any further information about said person (i.e. whether or not they are elect) is going beyond anything in your verse.
My favorite concept album is The Seraphic Clockwork by Vanden Plas. It's about a wrong timeline of Judas not betraying Jesus and the diabolical future that happens.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven in this age or the age to come so it’s often used as a proof text of ECT. How do we argue against this?
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit won’t be forgiven in this age or the age to come so it’s often used as a proof text of ECT.
I'm not a big McArthur fan, but I don't get how you can say that his point is weak when he is simply making a very logical and most basic, commonly used argument. If you think that Analogia Scriptura is an exegesis of the absolute worst kind, you are opening up a massive can of worms when it comes to MANY other believes that many have held to justify some serious problematic beliefs. Case in point. How do we argue that Jesus is God, contrary to the Jehovah's Witness belief that Jesus was a creation of the Father? You have to use other scriptures like John 1:1 to argue against their main foundational scripture of labeling Jesus as "the first born of all creation". If the first born of all creation is left on its own, then it stands to reason that Jesus was created. Plus, let's use your perspective, but let's turn the tables. In Matt 12:32, regarding the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and the sin that won't be forgiven in this age or the next, if we leave that scripture as is, then it never says forgiveness will eventually happen because it doesn't elaborate more after the next "age". So you would have to give another scripture to help explain that there would be an age of the "next age" to where all will be reconciled by using a reconciliation type scripture. Of course you use this same logic of analogia scriptura. All universalists of every group use it to contradict 'salvation for some', type scriptures. So if you're saying that McArthur's argument is "exegesis of the worst kind", then you're guilty of the same thing and contradicting yourself. Plus, the bigger thing is, I've heard you do it in other videos. Bottom line is, you don't like that argument because it's a legit argument and it does rationally explain the position of "salvation for some". It doesn't mean it's true or false, but it's a fully legit argument that everyone uses whether they know they are using it or not.
Thanks for sharing your take! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond. However, if you consider everything I said about the use of Analogia Scriptura, I think you'll find that I fully endorse it. It's not Analogia Scriptura that I take issue with. Rather, it's MacArthur himself that goes off the rails. He names Analogia Scriptura, claiming it's the route he took to arrive at his destination, and then proves by his explanation that he did no such thing. Consider the fuller context of my statements from the video below. I think you'll find that we see eye-to-eye. "It is an exegesis of the absolute worst kind to simply gloss over certain texts of the Bible - such as MacArthur does with this text - because he holds other texts in a higher regard. Don’t get me wrong. I think interpreting scripture by scripture is the best hermeneutical formula. But this doesn’t mean we cancel out the implications of one scripture on the basis of another, but rather that we take the full weight of every scripture, even if they seem contradictory, and refuse to stop digging for understanding until we can appreciate how the unbridled emphasis of each scripture individually contributes to the clearest image of truth when they are taken synthetically."
@@orthodoxuniversalist Okay, I hear you. I just don't understand in your explanation why you think he was off in the first place. Why did you have to say that Analogia Scriptura was a problem when he used it to explain why Paul was saying that 1 Col 16-20 was within a context? John wasn't cancelling out the implications of 1 Col. He was just interpreting it differently than you were. At the end of the day, all of our disagreements come down to the angle in which we are interpreting something. The way he is interpreting it is the way it was always interpreted by the majority throughout history. It's a pretty normal interpretation. The only time it gets challenged over the centuries is when a Universalist movement rises up, and then later dies down after it fizzles out.
no universalist is EVER orthodox. you will find that out come judgement day when you get your chance to plead your case before the Almighty Himself
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You do realize all means all, right? Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Why would believing that God is the most merciful God conceivable something I should defend to God? If I'm wrong, I see no reason to think God will view me harshly for believing He is capable and willing to reconcile all of mankind, and I know God knows my heart well enough to know that my belief is based in faith and love for Him. It's honestly silly to me when ECT believers act like, if your theology isn't 100% correct, you're hell-bound. God help the Calvinists if free will is true, or they're going to suffer forever, right? Oops, you believed the Garden of Eden was literal when it was actually metaphorical? Enjoy eternal torture, sinner! Like, it's so obviously ridiculous that I don't know why I'm bothering writing this.
We have seen the judgement of God on the Cross (Father forgive them they know not what they do). Sin has been forgiven and Death defeated and the Spirit and the Bride call all to live in this reality. God will make Mankind in his image, it will not happen in this age but it will come to pass. Colossians 1v15-20. Grace and Peace
People always get so angry towards universalists. I don't know why.
Judas was the greatest apostle, without him the process wouldn't have happened the way it did. God is the savior of all!
That sentence feels so wrong but yeah if you look at it that way 😅
@@Crimsonlupus The elect's faith is from God (Eph 6:23 kjv), (Rom 12:3 kjv). It's fruit of the Spirit of God (Gal 5:22 kjv). It does not originate from within or out of themselves. In contrast - the "natural man" believes whatever the "spirit of the world" leads him to believe - which is always a distortion of the truth. The Bible speaks of the devil, and satan, that deceived the whole world. Scripture says those born of the flesh persecute those born of the Spirit (Gal 4:28). There are only two groups in the Bible. All men are "by nature" children of wrath coming into this world. That doesn't mean they are simply sinners deserving of wrath - b/c believers are sinners too. It means they are UNBELIEVING sinners. the mind of those "born of the flesh" is enmity against God (Rom 8:7-9 kjv). Those "born of the Spirit" - have been made alive Spiritually - they have been quickened - they have been regenerated (Titus 3:5 kjv). That's why they believe - that's why they understand - that's why they seek after God. God makes the difference - not them! Men left to themselves do not understand, or seek after God. So how does this all end ? "vessels of mercy" and "vessels of wrath fitted to destruction" (Rom 9:20-24 kjv). Universalists don't like it - but that's what the Bible teaches.
@@Crimsonlupus lol right I know what you mean.
People always forget Jesus said himself “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” ESV. Just as God used the moral failure of Joseph’s brothers to ultimately bring about salvation for the family, God used Judas’s moral failure ti bring about salvation for everyone. You make a good point.
Please don’t say it like that. You’re disrespecting the apostles who went to the ends of the known world to spread the gospel and be martyred for the faith. Judas doesn’t hold a candle light to them.
Yessir, another fantastic video. I appreciate all you share!
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Isn‘t Judas the Savior, if you believe in Christianity? As well as the romans, who put him at the cross? Just imagine all of this would not have happend. Would we even remember Jesus if he lived happily to 90 years? So they all played their roles. So I love Judas and so will a loving god. If god puts a single being into hell for eternity, he is not the love and therefore not god. Nothing to fear. I believe in reincarnation anyway. Hitler will probably have to live 10.000 lives until risen into heaven in the year 7.000.000 maybe. Enough time to even purify his soul. Thats god love: He guides us all home. Like a mother that will never drop any kod. Thats the god of love I believe in. Just imagine, an allmighty God could end hell. If he can‘t he is not allmighty. If he doesn‘t want, he is not the love and therefore not God.
No read John 10:18. Jesus alike is the savior. God can make good out of evil decisions.
Good job. Now it's time to scrutinize likewise that Nicean faith you extolled. i.e. time to study unitarian Christianity.
Look at the Greek. "It would have been better if he had not been born that man." He's just saying Judas would have been better off being born someone else.
Is there a meaningful distinction between those two things?
Another good verse for "not born" not being the same as not existing (especially for this passage) is Ecclesiastes 6:3 : If a man begets a hundred children and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul is not satisfied with goodness, or indeed he has no burial, I say that a stillborn child is better than he
Great video as always. Thank you. I don't know if you think this needs to be covered in regards to Universalism but I'm curious as to what you think of Once Saved Always Saved as it pertains to this life.
Read Ezekiel chapter 18; it blows the doctrine of eternal security out of the water.
I like your reasoning abilities. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. God is worthy of our adoration and praise continuously.
Can you also help discover Gnosticism ? It said Satan (Demiurge) took the role of God YHWH and trolling humans at Old Testimant Do you think it is heresy ? Why is it wrong or illogical in the lens of christian universalism.
It 100% would be heresy. If the God of the Old Testament was not the God of the New Testament also then Jesus could not be the Messiah. The scriptures and prophecies and worldview behind Jesus’ message is rooted in the Old Testament. Yes, there is a new covenant, but the validity of the Old Testament is assumed and used to build upon for His new covenant. If the Old Testament’s God was Satan, then the whole continuity of the gospel falls apart. It was condemned in the second century when this idea came up under the name of Marcionism, and rightfully so.
@samueljennings4809 That's one good point. But a lot of people still think Gnosticism is true. Is it explaining the OT God being morally questionable in Hunan sense The comment section of Video, like Genesis in lens of Gnosticism and Moses life in lens of Gnosticism, have a lot of people believing that the creator God is a Malevolent Jerk Can you prove to them more why Gnosticism is heresy ?
@samueljennings4809 I mean the video made by Parry Megistus
Jesus literally claimed to be the God of the Old Testament, not only is Gnosticism heresy, it’s clear that all streams of Gnostic thought do not understand the Old Testament at all.
An excellent explanation once again. Thanks.
I guess one of the things that stumps me with universalism is the passages that say he will save many or a ransom that will pay for many, can you help me with that?
Jesus is how universalism is accomplished. He is the savior of all men. He saved all from sin and death.
Many can be used as a synonym for all. Read Romans 5v12-21.
How do we square the passages where Jesus says "Depart from me I NEVER knew you" with the passages that say "from before I formed you in the womb I knew you."
What's the only thing an omniscient being doesn't know? A lie. That's exactly what you are when you are still your old self. Your father is still Satan (the father of lies). You still need to be made new. The one God always knew.
Who we are in our trespasses and sins is not the person God had in mind when he created us. God will make us in His image because we were created in Love and Love never fails. That process will include judgement and punishment but it will be restorative (kolasis) and not retributive (timoria).
There’s nothing to explain, they will be separated from God. This isn’t for forever though. That’s a possibility but not one claimed by scripture.
God never knew the sinner,or false self, for it is a fiction. God only knows truth.
Great video! Keep up the good content!
An excellent presentation. Here are a few more reasons people can get out of hell: THE FORGIVABLE SINS -- "Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not ... either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:31-32). The wording strongly suggests that all sins except one, including blasphemies against Christ, will be forgiven in the next age if they're not forgiven in this age. (For Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, compare Matt. 12:32 with Eph. 2:7.) BAPTISMS FOR THE DEAD -- In 1 Cor. 15:29, Paul addresses -- and does not condemn (per se) -- the Corinthians' practice of being baptized for the dead. But this practice would have been absurd if one's eternal fate is sealed at death. Also, prayers for the dead were almost universal in the early church. THE DEAD HEAR THE GOSPEL AND LIVE -- "For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may *live in the spirit* according to the will of God" (1 Peter 4:6). (Also see Psalm 68:18, Zech. 9:11-12, Matt. 12:29, Eph. 4:8-10.) WHO IS THIRSTY? -- "The Spirit and the Bride say, 'Come'. And let the one who hears say, 'Come'. And let the one who is *thirsty* come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price." (Rev. 22:17) The setting of Rev. 22:17 is the Rev. 21-22 new heaven and new earth, since the "water of life" is also mentioned in Rev. 21:6 & 22:1, and it's the Rev. 21-22 "Bride" who is speaking -- not the "church" or the "lampstands." But who are the thirsty ones? Who else is there? The thirsty ones must be those in the Lake of Fire, located outside the city gates (Rev. 22:14-15), which never close (Rev. 21:25). SODOM RESTORED -- "I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them ... And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before" (Ezek. 16:53,55). In verses 47-55, the pronouns "their" and "they" identify the restored individuals as being those who were destroyed in Gen. 19 because of their abominations (Ezek. 16:50) and for other reasons (Ezek. 16:49). They will first need to be punished and purified in God's symbolic and refining Lake of Fire. DRY BONES LIVE -- "Then he said to me, `Son of man, these bones are the *whole* house of Israel. Behold they say, "Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off."' Therefore prophesy, and say to them, `Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will open your graves, O my people... And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, O my people. And I will put my spirit within you, and you shall live'" (Ezek. 37:11-14a). BLINDINGS -- God has either directly caused, or permitted, various groups of people to be blinded to the truth (e.g. Mark 4:10-12, Rom. 11:25, 2 Cor. 4:3-4). This would seem to require an unblinded opportunity in the afterlife. DEAFENING SILENCE -- The first 2/3 of the Bible is completely silent about Hell, and the last 1/3 uses the ambiguous-at-best Greek word _aion_ and its derivatives to describe Hell's duration. This makes no sense if (a) God is love and (b) eternal torment is true. There would have been clear and dire warnings on almost every page. For instance, why did Noah infinitely understate the penalty when he warned his neighbors only of a worldwide flood and not of eternal conscious torment? EVENTUAL UNIVERSAL SALVATION EXPLICITLY TAUGHT -- See John 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , *1 Cor. 15:22,28* , Eph. 1:10, Phil. 2:10-11, 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lam. 3:22,31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3. These verses, and many others like them, imply second chances.
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Didymus the Blind is more precise: "It must be noted that αἰώνιος has several meanings: in the expression, “αἰώνιος God,” it means beginningless and endless”; for the divinity is called αἰώνιος by virtue of having neither a beginning nor an end of its existence. But αἰώνιος is something different when used in the expression, “things unseen are αἰώνια”: for these things are not αἰώνια in the way God is, but rather because they do not perish but remain forever in the same condition. And αἰώνιος is meant differently again when it is measured against present time, as when it is said: “the sons of this αἰών are wiser in their generation”; for the time that extends over the life of a human being is also called an αἰών." (Com. on Job, 76).
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
They past away at the cross, the law that is!
Good summary! Funny I assumed you were EO as well.
Good words, my brother!
I will take Jesus at his word, the finished work of the cross, John 19.30, and Jesus will literally drag, all people to himself, John 12:32, enough said!!!
First off there is no hell in the true Hebrew or Greek scriptures from cover to cover, Jesus never said it and his apostles never taught it, and second off so far in your reconciliation text, you haven't mentioned 2 Corinthians 5:18 and 19 which is the same as the Colossians text, that was God was in Christ, reconciling the cosmos to himself,!!! You're right about the reconciliation business, and you're dead wrong about Hell, hell is purely a pagan myth, and is not in the Bible from cover to cover, Hell came to us, Viva la Latin Vulgate, thanks to Mr Augustine,!!!!!!!
Hi, thanks for sharing. I am wondering why you believe that there will always be eternal hell?
Thanks for commenting! I believe in eternal punishment but I don’t think it will “always” be. I think we can understand the eternal in contrast to the temporal. Anything within eternity can be described as “eternal” but that doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is locked in that something permanently. Nor does it mean that that something will always exist. I talk about this in a little more detail in some of my other videos (“Universalism Debunked?” for example). Thanks again!
The Bible teaches REINCARNATION.......see Job 33 : 29-30 for example . Jesus taught reincarnation.....this is easily proven in the New Testament scriptures . Judaism still teaches reincarnation to this day . The first true "church" taught reincarnation until the false Roman Church (antichrist) outlawed the teaching and removed scriptures at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 AD . The "lake of fire" or the "second death" in Revelation is the process and cycle of reincarnation . "Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched" ( Mark 9 : 44, 46, 48 ) The "worm" is the maggot that consumes the dead body after death and the "fire" is the trials, pain and suffering of this world that "refines" and perfects (matures) the "spirit" that we really are . This process is the result of our own "carnal minds" ( also called the "serpent", the "devil" and "Satan" ). Also called "karma" or the law of cause and consequences that governs this physical reality (world) . "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows that shall he also reap ." ( Galatians 6:7 ) The Apostle Paul called this process "the law of sin and death" ( karma and reincarnation ) that we need to be freed from in Romans 8:2 .......which is what the death of Christ did when he paid our "sin debt" . But only if we deny our "self" and "crucify" or put to death our "flesh" (carnal mind) and "follow Him" as He commanded . "That old serpent called the devil and Satan (man's own carnal mind) that DECEIVES the whole world ." ( Revelation 12:9 )
I'm somewhat of a "semi Christian Universalist". I do believe "with God all things are possible". This brings me much hope. But there is one thing that concerns me. If everyone will eventually be purified and saved, why should anyone become a follower of Jesus? Since everyone will be saved at some point anyway. I get that God is perfect,and if we follow Him, we can stay out of much trouble and have blessings in this life. Maybe by accepting Him and following Him, we don't go through so much "purifying fire" in the afterlife? I don't know. A lot of it sounds really good, and some things don't feel quite right. Not wanting debate or arguments. Looking for good insights/opinions.
Thanks for the comment! The question you refer to is a common one: “why should anyone become a follower of Jesus if they’ll eventually be saved anyway.” Many conventional teachers use this question to belittle the doctrine of Christian Universalism. But there are at least two issues with it. First, it doesn’t disprove universalism is just sidesteps the proof of it all together. If scripture teaches that all men will be saved through Christ then it really doesn’t matter how the world responds to that fact. If it’s true, it is true whether it makes sense to us or not, or whether we think it will elicit the right response or not. Second, the question is built upon the premise that the only motivation for following Jesus is if he is going to punish us forever and ever if we don’t. But scripture says that “we love him because he first loved us.” Can we imagine asking the same question of anyone else that loves us? Would we ask, “why not cheat on my spouse if they will love me anyway?” Or “why not let my children starve, if they are hungry, if they will love me anyway?” It’s the love of those around us that motivates us to love them back, and it’s the love of God that should motivate us to love him. If the only thing that motivates us to love God is the fear of what he might do to us, I don’t think we love him in the first place. Thanks again!
Interesting. Thank you for the reply. It's funny how one question begets another. Please bear with me. If C.U. is true, then why send missionaries? Besides obedience, that is. I'm truly trying to grasp a better understanding.
@@twotetah Understandable questions. First, we do missions because we are called to participate in the salvation process. Saint Paul says, “All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.” A more accurate translation of the last bit might be: “having put in us the word of reconciliation.” God made the world through word. And he now intends to make all things new through word, and he’s chosen that we will have an essential part to play in this process. Second, we engage in missions because we believe the spiritual war is real, and we want all men to come to Christ and find rest for their souls. There’s a real dark lord and there is real evil in the world. If we can see a world transformed by the gospel - more children safe from harm, more minds set free from the bondage of sin, more divine light shining in dark corners - why wouldn’t we want that. What sort of people would we be if we said, “let the world rot. Let the children starve, the people wallow in bondage, and the world be overtaken by darkness. We need not love our neighbor because God will eventually do it for us?” If these are our sentiments then we truly don’t understand salvation in the first place. The manifestation of the kingdom of God will be the manifestation of every good thing. If we do not value the good things, and only value deliverance from hell, then we are exceedingly lost. If we don’t love what the kingdom will look like now what makes us think we will love it later? We aren’t fit for it. Third, we do mission work for the reasons that Jesus called us to do mission work: to make disciples of all nations by baptizing people and teaching them to observe all that Christ has commanded us. Our love for him, and trust in him as the perfect king, should inspire us to reach the lost. We should be motivated less by having a perfect understanding of what will come of our efforts and more by the simple acknowledgement that, since the King we are following is perfect, the ends he will accomplish through it all will be perfect as well. It’s a tragedy, in my opinion, that many have made missions a single issue topic. Many conventional teachers would say that we must make disciples to save people from hell. But did Jesus ever say this? Even once? The perfect King and all the brilliance of his kingdom should motivate us to reach the lost. This is why the kingdom is mentioned over 150 times in the New Testament and why it the very first thing Jesus talks about when he began his earthly ministry (Matthew 4:17). Hell will be an aspect of the manifestation of the kingdom. And we shouldn’t avoid talking about it. But it is not the only aspect or the centerpiece. Total transformation of heart, mind, soul, and strength is what Christ desires. He wants to see man transformed and then see him transcend the realm of sin and death altogether. He invites us to begin the infinite pursuit of the infinite God right now - to plant our feet on the endless path of discovering an eternal creator. We do mission work because we want to see other people step onto this path as well - to see all men begin the merry, adventurous pilgrimage that never ends. More could be said. We could talk about the fatherhood of God, the solidarity we should share with all men, the body of Christ, and even the personal fulfillment of speaking truth and being obedient. But forgive the ramble. Thanks!
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I was wondering if a person can give up on God permanently
Thanks for the comment! Some would say yes. C.S. Lewis famously remarked that he thought hell would be locked from the inside. In his view, the main thing wasn’t that God gave up on sinners but that he allowed sinners the choice to give up on him, and to lock him out. While I love C.S. Lewis, I can’t reconcile his take on this with passages like 1 Corinthians 15, where we find that all things will be subjected to Christ. On a personal note, I don’t think that we can stop ourselves from moving forward. We are designed to be God’s image bearers, and since God is infinite, we are destined for an infinite journey of discovering him, and reflecting who he is. So, no, I don’t think that a person can give up on God permanently. If you want a little more detail, check out the video called “Destined For Progress” on the channel. Thanks again!
@@orthodoxuniversalist Ty, I agree with the aspects of God you mentioned btw, it’s just I get the feeling the problem doesn’t lie with God’s lacking. I’m EO too and couldn’t ever imagine someone wanting to reject God btw, especially after witnessing his Grace but I’ve always wondered if someone would reject healing permanently since the choice does exist? I am hopeful all get saved ofc, but I don’t think Christ would force it…. (There’s that undying worm part which did give me food for thought) Will check out your video :)