Thank you for your story, I grew up Baptist but now am happily Anglican. I’ve came to ultimate restoration recently. Reading the church fathers(especially Gregory of Nyssa)the trajectory of scripture, Robin Parry, and listening to this channel has been helpful in me coming to this. There is still a lot of mystery in how this all will work out but I am fine with that. I also wanted to mention that universalism is also profoundly present in many Christian mystics and monastics. I read the mystics and monastics often and universalism is so apparent to them it is not even questioned. Keep up the good work. God Bless

Former diehard believer here (ECT). I am impressed with how balanced you seem to be. I can't imagine that being a convinced universalist and attending a Southern Baptist is always an easy task. And yet here you are. You seem like one of the good guys.

Hey Austin. I've actually thought about the Judas thing already, and my own interpretation of this is that when Jesus says it would have been better for Judas not to have been born, he's referring specifically to birth and not to conception. What I mean is that Jesus isn't saying it would have been better for Judas if he had never existed, but simply that it would've been better if he died before he came out of the womb so that he would've been spared the refining process that he's going to have to endure for betraying Jesus. I apply a similar logic to when Jesus says it would be better for someone to have a millstone hung around their neck and to be tossed into the ocean than for him to offend "one of these little ones" and tempt them to sin. What he's saying is that their penalty after death, although not eternal, will be immensely painful as to say that it would legitimately have been better for him to be cast into the ocean with a millstone hung around his neck without this sin to make his punishment in the afterlife so bad.

@trappedcat3615

Ай бұрын

That's a good point. Another is all are created by Christ and for Him. There are no persons created in vain. It can never be said such persons were better off not being created.

@GaliscesGaming

Ай бұрын

@@trappedcat3615 Absolutely. Even stubborn proponents of eternal conscious torment will usually concede that all are created by Christ and for him as you said.

@Athabrose

Ай бұрын

Not a bad take.

If only this form of universalism were the dominant stream of thought in the 19th century. I was a Unitarian Universalist for a fairly brief time in my spiritual journey, but I learned about the denomination's history. Indeed, late 18th/early 19th century universalism was much like what is presented on this channel. But the dominant stream of thought became what was then called ultra-universalism--the idea that all people are saved at death and sin has no punishment beyond this life. The Universalist Church in America later began to question both the divinity of Christ and the authority of scripture. They merged with the Unitarians in the early 60's. Both denominations had arrived at the same heresies by different paths. Today's UU's are not heretics--they are not and do not profess to be Christians. I grieve how the Universalists (once the fifth-largest church in America and growing) did not stay the course and remain orthodox Trinitarian Christians. They had the good news of God's neverending love to proclaim and ended up failing miserably.

@michaelnelson1270

Ай бұрын

Amen. That almost got me but Christ snitched me back pretty quick. He's a great truthful God! People need to know about the good news! This unselfishly act was prophesized and many religions leave out that which is the core of our belief

Interesting. The whole time I thought you were eastern orthodox and you actually aren't.

@ChristisLordandKing

Ай бұрын

Universalism is a condemned heresy. I used to buy into this before actually delving into the Church Fathers. God willing I will become a catechumen soon. An Orthodox universalist doesn't exist. That's like saying you can be an Orthodox Nestorian.

I would argue some level of purgatorial universalism applies to most of us with cognitive agency but a literalist universalism applies for those with severe cognitive disabilities. I don't think some disabled child born of the dalit caste is going to hell because of bad existential luck. quite happy to see youtube's crappy fundie algorithm actually directing me to something of value.

@Yipper64

Ай бұрын

My thought on cognitive disabilities is the fact that they are purely in the flesh. I do not thing cognitive disabilities apply to the soul. Therefore, they will be of sober mind when they pass, and God will judge rightly then, keeping in mind the flesh has held their minds back from comprehending the debt and price to be paid, that will be when they can truly make their decision to follow Christ. Though, that is mostly my own speculation, it makes the most sense to me.

Happy to have found this channel. I've felt kind of alone out here for a long time. btw, apokatastasis is pronounced ah-poke-uh-tas-tah-sis. That per Dr. Ilaria Ramelli

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Thanks so much for commenting! I’ve watched some of your stuff and really appreciate your work.

@linjicakonikon7666

27 күн бұрын

I pronounce it a.pock.a.tuh.STAY.sis Rolls off the tongue easily.

I do not believe that all will be saved because to be saved means you will be spared from the consequences of your sins, most people will face the consequences of their sins, however, those consequences won't be literally endless because the sins were not endless. For finite sins, there will be finite consequences.

@jeffreyjdesir

Ай бұрын

I summarize this perspective to be universalism with refinements (not an attack but reduction), I can't disagree fully but I think either way this opposes the common view that God eternally consigns souls to hell for rejecting his son Jesus while wishing that none should perish. I wonder how this would change evangelism..

@cgs-nu9zf

Ай бұрын

If I told you “I love all flowers, especially the lilies of the field”; would you conclude that I only love lilies? Source: 1 Timothy 4:10 “Christ is the savior of all men, especially those who believe.” You might correctly say….save and love are two completely different words, however, the one who saved us did so because it was the mission given to him by our Father in Heaven who guess what….yea, loves us.

@nikokapanen82

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334 There are no 20 verses that clearly talk about the lake of fire being eternal. There are plenty of verses that clearly indicate that the eventual condition of the universe will be in perfect order and that all will come to God and worship Him. You simply ignore them just like I ignore the verses that supposedly indicate torment is eternal.

@nikokapanen82

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334 Also, are you saying I am supposed to like how my dad and my siblings and billions of other people who never killed or tormented anybody in their lives, will be tormented by God forever and ever? Should that bring me joy or what are you talking about?

@nikokapanen82

Ай бұрын

@@cgs-nu9zf If you end up facing the harsh consequences of your sins, then you were not saved even if those consequences are finite. Jesus came to save us from the consequences of our sins and from sins themselves.

You have an interesting channel, young man. Over the course of my life since coming to faith in Christ, 52 years to be exact, I have held to what is now known as the doctrine of ECT. I've never liked it, but have seen it as biblical. Frankly, I still do, as much as it disturbs me. I've read Parry's book, watched countless YT videos like your own, and am currently working through Hronich's book. Although each of you has some interesting arguments, I'm not convinced. Most Universalists tend to start with the belief that God is love (which I also do), which usually leads to an assertion that, since he is love, everyone will be saved in the end, since a God of love could never be content within himself knowing that there are souls experiencing torture for all eternity. This could be a discussion for another time. Then, there are the haunting biblical passages that imply that all things will eventually be reconciled to God. Conversely, however, there are several passages that imply ECT, and others that suggest conditional immortality. So, what am I saying here? Just that if one is going to read Scripture seriously, he or she must be careful not to allow their personal feelings or hopes to rule their hermeneutic. I'm not saying you are. But, unfortunately, I think I see this tendency among many who support some sort of Christian Universalism. So, I keep reading and watching because I want to be convinced that Ultimate Restoration is a legitimate biblical alternative. Convince me, will you? 🙂

if the consequences of sin and rejecting God are not eternal, we may as well do what we want and live like atheists since all will eventually be okay thats what any form of universalism boils down to

@drooskie9525

Ай бұрын

Whether you are universalist or ECT, both have their hang-ups, so pick your poison. Although, the universalism as described by David Bentley Hart is more along the lines of Saint Gregory of Nyssa, that is, Hell is "purgatorial". A refiners fire, of sorts. You definitely do not want to go through that and should be a warning; not presume you, as with everyone else, just casually waltz into heaven.

@pt7930

Ай бұрын

I don't understand this logic honestly. If the consequences of denying God aren't eternal and all will eventually accept him, then denying him in the present to live a life of sin, heartache, and what have you is entirely meaningless. You're sinning for nothing. It's like the old saying goes, "why settle for less when you can have more?", and in this case you're settling for non-belief when you could have a wonderful relationship with Christ in the present. Plus, is endless punishment sound when neither the sin nor sinful identity gets erased? Technically speaking, while you don't have eternal life with God, you still get to keep your pride in who you think you are Hell, so it ultimately defeats the purpose of any form of correction; not to mention it calls into question God's power and resolute willingness to save those he loves (humanity) when countless non-believers have perished before Christ & after who didn't hear the gospel.

@MM-ub2xv

Ай бұрын

So then you don’t truly want to serve God?

@MM-ub2xv

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334have you read a single universalist argument?

@MM-ub2xv

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334 yes… I have read the entire Bible many times. For all the verses that seemingly talk about eternal punishment there are translational or contextual issues with it. I encourage you to actually watch some orthodox universalists explain this

I have chickens along with roosters. The roosters crow early each morning due to there nature, if I threaten the roosters to stop crowing or else they will be on my dinner menu I'll be eating chicken dinner.....guaranteed

Three things happened in my life in relatively short succession. A friend of mine, in a debate, shattered my naive belief in eternal hell, I read Nyssa's "On the Soul and Resurrection," and then my Mother, who had been living in sin for a long time, suddenly passed away. I have to think that my groping towards universalism was providential. At the very least, I'm still probing the question. It is difficult for us Catholics, who have layers and layers of tradition surrounding Hell. Appreciate all of you who speak on this topic, especially fellow Catholics like Jordan Daniel Wood. Blessings of Christ be with you all.

I am totally with you and for the same reasons. I live your channel and the way in which you go about your work for it.

I would like to here which scriptures tell us, that hell will be emptied out and that all will come to Christ, if possible. Thank you!

Excellent video I had a very similar journey. Wasn’t looking for universalism, however upon researching it and listening to some solid content in it including criticisms, (even my own). I think the free will view of it is correct, one thing is clear from scripture, Free Will is providential, it’s a gift from God, one he clearly doesn’t want to take back I mean that defeats the purpose.

Good summary! Funny I assumed you were EO as well.

And just to add to my comment about Jesus referring to Judas' birth and not Judas' existence, I did look into the Greek for this. I don't remember the word to be honest, this was a few weeks ago, and obviously I hope you look into this for yourself, but the word that Jesus uses for "born" actually means just that. It doesn't refer to conception, and it definitely doesn't refer to existence.

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

Your points are valid and well marked. The millstone illustration is actually used side-by-side with the “better to have never been born” illustration in other early Christian writings. So your logic makes sense. Thanks a bunch for sharing!

@GaliscesGaming

Ай бұрын

@@orthodoxuniversalist Thanks Austin! Having given it further thought also, I almost want to say that Jesus using analogies like the millstone or saying it would've been better for Judas if he had never been born sound redundant if the doctrine of eternal conscious torment is true. If that doctrine is true, then really you could make the case that the majority of humanity would be better off if they had never been born or if they were cast into the ocean with a millstone, regardless of whether they betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver or tempted a newer Christian to sin.

I respect your humility brother. I too still attend church and don't wish to break fellowship. I'm concerned about how I might be treated if my views came to light. I've been contemplating sharing my views with the pastor or youth pastor (where I serve) so I don't feel like I'm hiding anything. I struggle sometimes too hearing the gospel taught in ways I no longer align with. (I don't believe in Penal substatution attonment anymore either). Any thoughts here?

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much for your continued comments on the channel! I really appreciate your support! Your struggle with whether or not to share really resonates. Since I became convinced of the doctrine of apokatastasis, I’ve found I had more peace when I did share with the pastoral staff. So, in the last few churches we’ve attended (changing due to moving to a different state and then back again, etc.) I’ve spoken with at least one pastor on staff about it, at each church. But in the case of the church we attend now, I didn’t do so until we’d been attending for around six months. It just feels like there’s a lot at stake. If the conversation doesn’t go well, what then? I have to think of more than myself… my wife and daughter need the fellowship as well and they need their pursuit of Christ to be bigger than just listening to what dad says about the Bible, etc. In short, they need the church - and so do I. All this said, I’ve found that every conversation I’ve had has been a lot more positive than I expected. While there’s often a decision made to “agree to disagree,” the experience has been surprisingly cordial, and I’ve never been asked to leave the church. So, in my own experience thus far, being up front about it with those in authority in the church has seemed to result in a fairly positive experience. Not sure if any of this helps. Circumstances can vary widely. I pray the Lord will give you the best insight/direction for your situation.

@mattr.1887

2 күн бұрын

That's really great to hear!

"How I Became A Convinced Christian Universalist" by the god of this world

Check out us Catholics, my friend, we have it all.

@justchilling704

Ай бұрын

Funny enough I spoke with a few Catholics who claimed you cannot be a convinced universal

How do you believe in eternal punishment if you believe one day Hell will be emptied and all people will be united in Christ?

Great video. Anglican myself. Love learning about other denominations.

@Athabrose

Ай бұрын

Anglican here as well. God Bless

If you're protestant but not calvinist this is really the only logical position you can hold. But I have great news Jesus did give us universal salvation through the Catholic (greek katholikos literally "Universal") Church.

Hey what do you think people go through now when they die do they go to sheol and soul sleep? So they do not have to consciously go through anything and are just soul sleep and they get to go to heaven at the rapture/ resurrection? I believe that is what happenes

I'm glad for your testimony and we are all growing in the grace of the Master, I believe too much is made of the church fathers the reformers when Scripture should be sufficient our example is Messiah alone and as the apostle Paul said follow me as I follow the Savior. Forty verses and more I'm sure admonish us to walk as He walked He taught that Salvation is for all and that He would not be mocked, let's take our faith seriously and be urgent to lift Him up, He will be urgent to draw all men to Himself. ONE LOVE, AMEIN AMEIN!!!

1 Peter 5:8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. The devil spends his time finding ways to interrupt Christian and Christianity, muddying the waters of the simple Biblical truth of Jesus Christ. There is no Biblical truth to what you are saying, that we get subsequent chances to enter eternity with God after life on earth. Austin you have been devoured by the devil and creating confusion where there is a simple Word from God, through Jesus Christ. Your message will send people to an eternity outside the presence of God. Your existence is going to take a horrible turn for the worse if you do not repent. I say this in love and I will pray for your salvation. May the grace of Christ be upon you.

I looked into Universalism for a little bit, was very interesting. Then I learned that Biblical UNITARIANISM was better suiting in my honest opinion when scripture was laid out.

I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’m an SBC pastor

I attended a southern Baptist church also and I believe all will eventually be saved.

@mattr.1887

2 күн бұрын

Do you still attend it?

@DavidGuess-uq1ue

2 күн бұрын

@@mattr.1887 yes because my whole family goes to it even my wife I told her I would like to go to a grace church but they say no because they believe in eternal conscious torment and rapture.

@mattr.1887

2 күн бұрын

Do you normally just keep it to yourself? I would imagine it must be weird at times. I have massive respect for you regardless.

@DavidGuess-uq1ue

2 күн бұрын

@mattr.1887 My family knows, and they say I'm twisting the Scriptures or adding to it.

I wanted to ask you if there is any websites or place online that you know of where you can read academic/scholarly literature on the topic of Universalism. Just anything regarding the topic, Biblical passages and Hermeneutics, Church history or eschatology or whatever. I really felt the calling to really study this topic in depth but I am finding it hard to find answers to questions I have. Let me know, I will appreciate it!

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Honestly, I’ve found very few helpful websites out there. This isn’t to say that they aren’t around - I just haven’t found them, either. As with anything else, there are SO MANY poorly constructed arguments in favor of Christian Universalism, that it can be trying to find good content amidst the bad. All this said, you might want to check out tentmaker.org. Some of the content isn’t appealing to me personally but you will find some good articles, lists, and so on. I’ve also really enjoyed using earlychristiancommentary.com as part of my regular Bible study. Since I’ve been utilizing it, I have often found very compelling evidence of universalist leanings in the church fathers, even when I wasn’t looking for it. Hope this helps.

@LiberalDefeater

Ай бұрын

@@orthodoxuniversalist Thanks. I'll check it out

@twotetah

22 күн бұрын

Eclectic Orthodoxy is an informative site.

The Bible teaches REINCARNATION.......see Job 33 : 29-30 for example . Jesus taught reincarnation.....this is easily proven in the New Testament scriptures . Judaism still teaches reincarnation to this day . The first true "church" taught reincarnation until the false Roman Church (antichrist) outlawed the teaching and removed scriptures at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 AD . The "lake of fire" or the "second death" in Revelation is the process and cycle of reincarnation . "Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched" ( Mark 9 : 44, 46, 48 ) The "worm" is the maggot that consumes the dead body after death and the "fire" is the trials, pain and suffering of this world that "refines" and perfects (matures) the "spirit" that we really are . This process is the result of our own "carnal minds" ( also called the "serpent", the "devil" and "Satan" ). Also called "karma" or the law of cause and consequences that governs this physical reality (world) . "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows that shall he also reap ." ( Galatians 6:7 ) The Apostle Paul called this process "the law of sin and death" ( karma and reincarnation ) that we need to be freed from in Romans 8:2 .......which is what the death of Christ did when he paid our "sin debt" . But only if we deny our "self" and "crucify" or put to death our "flesh" (carnal mind) and "follow Him" as He commanded . "That old serpent called the devil and Satan (man's own carnal mind) that DECEIVES the whole world ." ( Revelation 12:9 )

Orthodox and Universalist are mutually exclusive terms.

@orthodoxuniversalist

25 күн бұрын

Did you watch the video?

Hi, thanks for sharing. I am wondering why you believe that there will always be eternal hell?

@orthodoxuniversalist

22 күн бұрын

Thanks for commenting! I believe in eternal punishment but I don’t think it will “always” be. I think we can understand the eternal in contrast to the temporal. Anything within eternity can be described as “eternal” but that doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is locked in that something permanently. Nor does it mean that that something will always exist. I talk about this in a little more detail in some of my other videos (“Universalism Debunked?” for example). Thanks again!

Wait how does universal subjection imply universal salvation?

The longer one stays out of the religion the more odd it looks, its a strange way to spend a life in, at least from the outside looking in.

Good job. Now it's time to scrutinize likewise that Nicean faith you extolled. i.e. time to study unitarian Christianity.

Very good. One thing to consider, and that is the fact that the act of man of “accepting Christ” has absolutely nothing to do with being saved from death in Adam. Nothing whatsoever. Yeshua’s death and resurrection automatically saved everyone eternally without exception. No need for adding any help from dead sinners. The only thing left is that everyone eventually become aware of this already accomplished fact. So consider teaching from this perspective. Man plays no part whatsoever ever in saving himself from eternal death in Adam. Nor does he play any part in enlightening himself to the fact that Yeshua already accomplished this for us all.

@mattr.1887

2 күн бұрын

I wish more folks had this perspective.

ONE QUESTION. Is Jesus Holy God? Many Unitarian Universalists see Jesus as a moral exemplar who personified acceptance, compassion, and inclusion, although they do not recognize him as a God.

Adam as our Federal Head is the source of sin and separation from God for all of mankind. Adam's punishment was never said to be conscience and eternal. Only those who had nothing to do with the fall of mankind have that as a possibility, and that's said to be judgment from a true and faithful loving God....I guess we need to be on the other side of eternity to see the love in that.

@deanfloyd8931

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334You missed the point in the passage, Eve signed thru deception, but Adam willfully. "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

@deanfloyd8931

Ай бұрын

@chriscuomo9334 Women aren't ever the head over man....PERIOD

It’s a blessing your carpets and pews matched. I say if your vocal on your beliefs, you may be disfellowshipped. You didn’t say how much you challenged the status quo of devil winning theology. (So few getting saved..)

First, Cs Lewis said the gates of hell are locked from the inside

@nikokapanen82

Ай бұрын

But that applies only to Hades, after Hades comes the lake of fire and the lake of fire is God's wrath. There are dozens of verses found in the Bible warning about the coming wrath of God.

@stephengorman1025

Ай бұрын

​@@nikokapanen82Yes but God's wrath is not like Man's wrath. God's wrath produces punishment which is restorative (kolasis). Man's wrath results in retributive punishment (timoria). God is indeed a consuming fire which reedeems Mankind and destroys Sin and Death. Grace and Peace.

@dutchmcgee101

Ай бұрын

The lake of fire is a mistranslation, it's a crucible for refinement. Total Victory of Christ has a good series on his channel about the lake of fire.

@nikokapanen82

Ай бұрын

@@stephengorman1025 Yes, agreed.

@bignoob1790

Ай бұрын

@nikokapanen82 As a Christian, I have trials and tribulations not the wrath of God,

Can we please get a hint on what that first universalist book is? Please please.

@Joeyk57030

Ай бұрын

My guess is Rob Bell “Love Wins” but who knows, I respect him for not saying what book since he knew he was going to say he didn’t like it

If hell is empty how does the eternal punishment continue? In the 11:45 mark you make contradictory statements hence my question. I'm genuinely curious about this issue as I had an person experience where I felt the Holy Spirit touch me and that's what I felt from him but it left me confused as this wasn't anything I was really taught, So I put it down to been over whelmed and not understanding God's Providence with my human finite mind.

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

@@TryingToFollowChrist37 Thanks for commenting! I explain an alternative understanding of “eternal punishment” in the video “Universalism Debunked?”.

@TryingToFollowChrist37

Ай бұрын

@@orthodoxuniversalist Thank you I check it out

Whats the unnamed book he mentions?

@jacktaylor7264

Ай бұрын

The Universal Christ by Richard Rohr maybe?

2 Peter 3:15b-16 “as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.” If untaught and unstable people twist h the Scriptures to their destruction we have to be very careful about our interpretation. So why should I trust your interpretation that was consistently condemned by the very Church through which you even have the Scriptures to misinterpret in the first place? God bless you.

@orthodoxuniversalist

Ай бұрын

@@abford03 Great question! I asked myself this for many years before talking much about my views at all. One thing I came to realize is that it’s just not true that the doctrine that all will be saved has not been “consistently condemned” by the church. In the first 500 years of church history, it was a widespread (if not dominant) view. And the circumstances surrounding its formal rejection raise more questions than answers. Of course, there’s a lot to unpack on all of this. Thanks for commenting!

@abford03

Ай бұрын

@@orthodoxuniversalist edit: just wanted to thank you before unpacking your comment for your respectful and fair response. Something being widespread or the dominant belief isn’t the same as it being the truth. For example, Roman Catholicism is the largest Christian religion in the world, that doesn’t make them true. Likewise, Arianism at one point was the majority belief of people in Christendom, that doesn’t make Arianism true. When we talk about what was and wasn’t accepted by the Church, this is in reference to dogma/doctrine. For example we see in Acts how the Church mediates truth through councils specifically the council of Jerusalem in this instance (Acts 15). Thus, it follows that the way the Church would be consistently led by the Holy Spirit into all truth (Matthew 18:20, John 14:26, John 16:13) would be through a councillor format . This is what we see at the Ecumenical councils and various local synods throughout the first 1,000 years. These councils don’t develop doctrine or dogma, but rather affirm the faith that was once for all delivered to the Saints (Jude 1:3) because just as Christ is the same “yesterday, today and forever” (Hebrews 13:8) so to must His body also be as the Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) it can’t change and develop but rather affirm that which was already taught (2 Thessalonians 2:15). So when the councils eventually dogmatise the condemnation of universalism through Origen, this is them making clear what the Apostles passed down by word of mouth and written epistle (2 Thessalonians 2:15) God bless you, peace be with you my friend.

Isn't the very meaning of the word catholic mean universal?

What are you being saved from exactly? According to Paul, when there is no law sin is not imputed (Romans 5.13). What law did you sin/transgress against, and what law does Jesus save you from? According to Hebrews 9.15 Jesus's death redeemed those who transgressed under the first covenant, which was the law of Moses.

@vincentcoppola9832

Ай бұрын

From death. Read the next verse "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Adam's sin brought death into the world and it reigned over a;; even those who did not sin.

@jackshadow325

Ай бұрын

@@vincentcoppola9832 Yes, that’s a good answer. How exactly does Jesus save one from death?

@vincentcoppola9832

Ай бұрын

@@jackshadow325 It's - how did He. Any short answer I can give is not enough for a complete understanding, but, in Revelation Jesus said "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Jesus has authority over life and death. He can give life and He promises to give life to all who repent and believe in Him, love Him and love His way of life. Read your bible and get connected with a church that teaches the apostolic faith.

@michaelnelson1270

Ай бұрын

@@jackshadow325 John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Death here refers to spiritual death not only physical death. In the end, all shall believe and bow the knee, whether in this world or the next. So God will be all in all.

@jackshadow325

Ай бұрын

@@michaelnelson1270 What is “spiritual death?” I’ve never seen that term in scripture. How does Jesus cause one to believe and “bow the knee in this world or the next?”

You sound a lot like James Rolfe (AVNG) That’s not an insult, just a humorous observation

Sorry, can't get on-board with a literal hell where God tortures/torments/punishes anyone for period of time. For me, that would make him a monster. I do appreciate your channel though. I do believe that Universalism is closest to the overall message of the Bible.

@orthodoxuniversalist

23 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment! You may have already seen the video where I talked about this, but I think hell is going to be an extreme form of what a recluse might feel if, after years in total darkness, they found themselves exposed fully to the light of the sun on a midsummer day. They would hate it - it might even hurt - but it would be the best thing for them. In the next life, there will be no veil separating us from God. Revelation 14 even describes the suffering that sinners will experience as “in the presence of the Lamb (Christ).” His light is healing but that doesn’t make it comfortable. If we conform ourselves to it now, we have nothing to fear. But if we reject him now, we still can’t avoid him later. How long will we need to endure the brilliance of his presence before we will be able to tolerate it, much less enjoy it or see it for what it is - his love. Thanks again!

Well done

There is no hell only the grave.

Bro everyone believes something it’s wild

You read a lot of books. It may help to ask God with a sincere heart what Church is his true church and ask him for strength to make a path for you to get there.

@justchilling704

Ай бұрын

What makes you think the church is some institution?

@bighead1765

Ай бұрын

@@justchilling704 That’s true but if you ask God with a sincere heart you will be told if such an institution exists.

@bighead1765

Ай бұрын

@@justchilling704 I understand that the body of believers probably does extend outside a defined church at this time.

So many many views about the Bible many many different views.hmmmmm

It just doesn't make sense in light of a God that knows the future. If God encounters a person who he knows will never repent, then he leaving them in Hell would not remedy it and letting them into the Kingdom would only allow infinite sin. A limited life can be justified for a never repenting sinner as agift from God out of love, but anything more does no good. But if repentance is only a matter of time, then lige and Hell are one and the same, for both are merely part of the condition needed for that eventual repentance God would surely aim for. A life of half pleasure, as we now have, would be pointless if all had dalvation in their future. God would skip life and rush man towards salvation and the Kingdom. Universalism does not accord with the world we find ourselves in. The suffering of which only makes sense if it is the greatest possible good, given sin.

@kbkyle

8 күн бұрын

@@nomadinsox8757 "It just doesn't make sense in light of a God that knows the future" Would it be fair for me to say the same but to apply that to God knowing that the person would end up in Hell from before even creating him..? That also doesn't make sense..

@nomadinsox8757

7 күн бұрын

@@kbkyle I would argue it does make sense if God also loves us. For if he loves us and he sees that he can gift us a limited life and that we would prefer that life even if it came with Hell and then the Lake of Fire which is oblivion afterwards, he would of course do it. I think your point only works if Hell is eternal, which it is biblically not.

@kbkyle

7 күн бұрын

@@nomadinsox8757 Yes but it still doesn't explain the fact that, God, being omnipresent, created something from the beginning in His image, which he first loved, but at the same time knowing that the love would change because that person will end up in Hell and be 'destroyed', even though he was Gods personal creation which he did "love" but then end ups not loving it. You could even say He never actually loved him, because God IS eternal, and time is still time in eternity, and eternity then is the same as eternity later.

@nomadinsox8757

7 күн бұрын

@kbkyle At no point does God's love change. God loves those in Hell and aches that they had chosen otherwise. But he simply cannot permit eternal life for a sinner, thus creating eternal sin, no matter how much he loves them. My parents lived me but they still did not tolerate me hitting my brothers forever. Their love in no way deminished for me even as they sent me to my room or spanked me. Hell is just the final version of that. If a person would do evil forever, God must limit their life. But he still loves them and wants to give them life.

@skipetar5432

7 күн бұрын

@@nomadinsox8757 What exactly do you mean by limit their life? And I read in your comment that a life of "half-pleasure" which we have today is pointless if all are to be saved eventually, but the thing is, if universalism is true, maybe that "eventually" is on a different time-frame for different people? And also I don't see how if universal salvation is true it would mean that this life is therefore pointless because even with a life of sin, there is a learning and training of the virtues in this life which is worthwhile.

Jesus condemn all who do not believe in him

@stephanieplost8154

Ай бұрын

Hi...I'm studying this myself....you are correct.... however I've been studying the words eternal punishment and the original language for eternal was for a period of time... And the original language for punishment was correction.... I don't claim to have it completely figured out but it's something worth prayerfully looking into.. Have a blessed day

@michelhaineault6654

Ай бұрын

@@stephanieplost8154 it all depend of the context. Eternal life is tied also to eternal punishment so it's not a simple period of time. Eternal life is always contrasting eternal death (punishment) Matt.24:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

@abford03

Ай бұрын

@@stephanieplost8154You may be better served looking at what the original and early Christians taught about these things. As opposed to taking things outside of their context and leaning on your own understanding. This is important so we have to get it right. The best way to do that is by trusting in the interpretations of those who gave us the Scriptures in the first place. The Holy Eastern Orthodox Church. God bless you my friend, may the Lord guide you in all things

@nmoriss

Ай бұрын

As I understand it there's KS not a complete consensus among all the church fathers. Origen and Isaac the Syrian are 2 examples who subscribed to universalism.

@abford03

Ай бұрын

@@nmoriss Origen was condemned as a result of this being one of many heretical beliefs he held. St Issac well it may seem as though he’s arguing for universal salvation this doesn’t mean that it was taught in the Church. Many Church fathers were wrong about certain things. This wasn’t a damnable offence in and of itself but it becomes such when they teach these wrong views as Origen did. Now I don’t know much more than that, but considering the position of universal salvation was condemned by the Church that both Origen and St Issac were apart of it leads to the conclusion that these men were exceptions to the rule on this teaching and the standard was not a form of universalism. God bless you my friend.

So you are an "universalist", in greek this is called "catholicos" .... catholic Weak up...

@abford03

Ай бұрын

This is an equivocation fallacy. To say that the same word is being used in the same context. A universalist is someone who believes that eventually all people will be saved. Catholic in the context of the nicene-constantinopolitan creed means universal in faith/theology. Another example of an equivocation fallacy would be this: a Muslim is one who submits to God (that’s quite literally what it originally meant) so everyone who follows a religion is a Muslim in this sense, but not a Muslim in the modern sense of “an adherent of Islam” I hope I’ve explained that clearly enough, God bless you my friend. Peace be with you, may the Lord guide you to His one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, holy Orthodoxy ☦️

“How I became a heretic”