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  @philstevens38212 ай бұрын

  Except all evidence suggests that they planned to traverse below it and take the zig zag route up or the couloir

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  @Sokol104 ай бұрын

  0:15 - ... _"there's never been a confirmed free climb of the second step_ ..." Well, in 1960 the Chineses supposedly climb there without ladder or fixed ropes. Òscar Cadiach in 1985, Theo Fritsch in 2001 and Conrad Anker in 2007 climb the Second Step without the ladder.

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  @nicholasmccormick425411 ай бұрын

  10 after 5 or 25 after two? Where is your proof. For the most unbiased pov, "Last step but one" still rate #1.

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  @pauldavis428711 ай бұрын

  Mallory did not attempt The 2nd Step. The previous failed attempts by Norton and Somerval showed the way up. To the Coloir and a zig zag route to the top of the 3rd Step, which is where Odell saw them 1:30pm..

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  @Ronin-ke5wm10 ай бұрын

  100% correct Sir

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  @Pixel8Head11 ай бұрын

  How the F**k people free climb like that absolutely amazes me every time i see it....

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  @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

  Michael Tracy makes a compelling argument that Mallory bypassed the second step in a zig zag route. He had written in a letter that a ridge route was impossible so why insist he took it? Odell could not have seen them at the first step because it is blocked from sight from the spot Odell saw them..

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  @WellyCoaster10 ай бұрын

  Mallory was talking about the lower section of the NE ridge saying it was too long and barred by the pinnacles, he wanted to access the upper part of the ridge from the North Col. The two attempts in 1933 both tried through the zig zag area and called this impossible, they couldn't identify a line through it for future attempts and were forced onto Nortons route. A third attempt was planned to take the ridge direct but the expedition ended due to weather.

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  @wgisgr8 Жыл бұрын

  Why would he say he thought he might keep it to himself and keep walking-- makes no sense at all

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  @griffith500tvr Жыл бұрын

  Conrad Anker is totally wrong. Mallory & Irvine never attempted to climb the second step, they surely went to the Norton couloir. I thing Anker is probably obliged to push the second step theory by his book contract. It's a shame that even after so many years he never rectified his error.

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  @griffith500tvr Жыл бұрын

  Conrad Anker pushed the idea that Mallory climbed Everest via the 2nd step, unfortunately that is incorrect but he is still pushing this idea.

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  @wgisgr8 Жыл бұрын

  Mallory never made it up that second step -- 1st time there and limited time in the Death zone plus primitive climbing gear equals “ no way “. He may have made the summit but not over the step

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  @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

  What if they bypassed it.

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  @wgisgr8 Жыл бұрын

  @@kenkaplan3654 they may have- no body knows

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  @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

  @@wgisgr8 I know. Michael Tracy makes a good case they summited but we probably will never know.

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  @kennethjohnson5180 Жыл бұрын

  China side possibly already found by the Chinese

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  @jimboslice9472 Жыл бұрын

  when mallory was asked "why'd u die?", he quickly replied, "because I can".

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  @jaybee7890 Жыл бұрын

  No he wouldn’t have had to. Do your research

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  @coachtim6188 Жыл бұрын

  Anyone know what documentary this is from?

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  @coachtim6188 Жыл бұрын

  Everyone is saying that Mallory would've taken the same route Norton took. Not true. The fact that Norton did not make it would have been reason enough for Mallory to try a faster way. Going around the 2nd step is a much longer route that he may have well been trying to avoid.

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  @chrisleiti5381 Жыл бұрын

  The

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  @wreckanchor Жыл бұрын

  what are these clips from?

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  @nicholasmccormick4254 Жыл бұрын

  Reflection: had they only had a camp vii at same altitude as camp vi but closer to the summit. As selfish as the craft is, I doubt they have regrets. H&T have title, the mystery of M&I draws you in.

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  @davidhn23642 жыл бұрын

  Those are fall down north pole side ...between 2 rocks ..

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  @Dr.Pepper0012 жыл бұрын

  He would have had to free climb an 80 ft. tall sheer rock cliff near the summit which has never been done. He did not reach the peak of the mountain.

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  @opowqte2 жыл бұрын

  See Odell's first reports explaining how they were atop all but 1 step...meaning the 3rd step which is above the 2nd step. More snow back then i'm told. Odell knows what he saw although years later people got him to switch is statements. This sighting was at 1250PM. They had plenty of time to make it to the summit, even with the passing squall. Unfortunately, geo politics enters the picture, the Chinese and others, who seem to NEVER want it known that Mallory and Irving made it to the Summit that fateful day of June 8, 1924. Follow Michael Tracy ..he is impartial at least ....many other seem fixed on outcome.

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  @chadreactions2 жыл бұрын

  The Chinese are corrupt to the core.

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  @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

  Tracy is not impartial. He passionately believes they made it but he makes an incredibly strong, detailed case.

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  @J24J2 жыл бұрын

  This is a great movie!

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  @johnmanor52362 жыл бұрын

  Not to be the negative one on this but why in the world did they not check for summit rocks in his pockets before chipping him away from the mountainside. Everyone is so damn focused on a camera they might not even have had they forget they went there on a geological mission to collect rocks from the summit (rock that are very unique to the summit). If he had them in his pockets then you got your answer if he summitted or not. Wish they would have taken things a bit slower and perhaps thought it through a bit more. This mystery might have been solved already with just a little more thought given to the reason they were there to begin with. Also, back then no one really thought you had to have a photo to prove you climb it... that notion of proof came much later.

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  @DiogenesOfDelaware2 жыл бұрын

  Michael Tracy here on KZread provides some great insight to the discussion of Mallory & Irvine

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  @czarcastic14582 жыл бұрын

  His insight is biased

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  @DiogenesOfDelaware2 жыл бұрын

  @@czarcastic1458 bias is inescapable.

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  @momo1momo Жыл бұрын

  Tracy has gone to great lengths using science and historical analysis to support his arguments , can you please explain the nature of his bias and where it has interfered with his assessment of this debate? Thank you.

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  @Steve_Schiffenhaus Жыл бұрын

  @@czarcastic1458 everyone has bias - his has the most research, logic, and fact behind it than I’ve seen from anyone else

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  @kenkaplan3654 Жыл бұрын

  @@czarcastic1458 Yes he is but he is thorough and detailed. . It is not bias to believe in a position.

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  @SuperEvilMonkee2 жыл бұрын

  Mallory absolutely would have avoided the second step, all his past experience was as a wall climber, Norton had just nearly summitted avoiding the 2nd step, Mallory had previously commented that the hard part of the whole climb would be the Citadel after the snow patch on the final ascent! Odell's timing seeing them at 1250 would put them way past the first step, and if they weren't taking the ridge route then its logical it was the 3rd step he saw them on. Ankers comments are misleading and show an arrogance that the modern 'route' was the only option, this image of Mallory as a ridge climber needs to be slapped down everytime it comes up

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  @clebmedia11 ай бұрын

  Yea not sure how you could free climb an overhanging ice cliff with hobnail boots and heavy oxygen canisters. Also how could he think Irvine could do it, even if he could. 100% they they would've gone around. You look at the scale of the second step and I doubt it was even an option for Mallory.

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  @WellyCoaster7 ай бұрын

  Anker's just going off the expedition reports and accounts from the 24 climbers. In 21,22,23 and 24 Mallory had wrote of using the ridge in journals and expedition books and spoke in meetings with the Alpine club and RGS. Odell said that the ridge was Mallorys intended route that day and that he saw them on the second step. Norton said they attempted the ridge on their last climb. Somervell said he believed they had an accident on the second step. These were the top climbers from the expedition who were on on the North Col before M & I's departure and were saying the same thing.

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  @cindyr89862 жыл бұрын

  Conrad, what I find very curious is how did his left boot come off his foot? We have to pull our boots off to remove, and his toe is to the ground. I just don't see how the wind could have done that?? It seems to me some other mountaineer came across his body some time ago and took it as a souvenir. Any thoughts???

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  @Bella.2162 жыл бұрын

  His left boot is there. Part of it anyway, it's off his foot due to it rotting away due to it being frozen and thawed over the year's. That's why his socks were black on the bottom. They have a display of what was found on George Mallory. Did you watch the documentary on the actual footage when they found him in 99?. The rotting boot is at the royal geological society with his other boot.

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  @cindyr89862 жыл бұрын

  @@Bella.216...I'm not sure if I saw that or not but very interesting and sad...Thank you.

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  @dannydevito57292 жыл бұрын

  It's gruesome to imagine but feet can become detached after death bc our feet are connected to our body through tendons and ligaments, as opposed to a leg or shoulder which is bone locked in a socket.

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  @cordobadebear2 жыл бұрын

  They did it, all the way the hard way…and they paid the high price

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  @arneboveng37562 жыл бұрын

  Only thing is Mallory didn't find it, he blundered and missed it. Wheeler, the Canadian is the one who first recognized the East Rongbuk glacier as leading to the North Col. As to Mallory (and Irvine) actually making it to the top-absolutely. Odell saw them at the top of what we now call the third step and no way did they turn back at that point. They didn't climb the 2nd step because they didn't have to; simply went below it into the Great Couloirr just at Norton had 3 days earlier. Don't follow the dogma.

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  @wreckanchor Жыл бұрын

  Do you think they had enough time to go around the 2nd step based on the known time they left? I have always wondered about that. It looks to me like it would take much longer to go thru the great col . Also havent modern climbers used super agressive crampons to climb that route? Mallory was in hobnailed boots right? Its all very interesting to me. I like to think they made it to the top.

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  @obifuntoknowme2 жыл бұрын

  Awe inspiring. Love this film.

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  @tanman.2 жыл бұрын

  what film is it?

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  @andrew3001692 жыл бұрын

  When I climbed this my feet cut loose and I managed to kick all the gear out at the back of the roof, everything went very quiet around for a minute 🤪

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  @jonathanludgater56212 жыл бұрын

  Great video makes many things clear thanks, no doubt many others have had the same thought, what it at the summit Mallory takes a picture of Irvine, hands over the camera, Irvine takes a picture of Mallory and then puts it in HIS pocket?

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  @ralphbooger47562 жыл бұрын

  it is questionable if they ever had that camera at all... mallory was to bring summit rocks as proof of summit, but the grave robbers that found and mutilated his body never knew to look for summit rocks, they were only after the loot. they even went back two weeks later and dug him up again to see if they missed some loot, the partially buried him and left.

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  @dannydevito57292 жыл бұрын

  Mallory had taken pics on an earlier expedition on the mountain and did such a bad job no one trusted him with a camera. There was one climber(Mallory) and one engineer(Irvine) on the final summit push. Irvine was chosen bc he had experience fixing the o2 system, and he also was known to have a camera. Common sense says Mallory would have delegated taking pictures to Irvine

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  @ihcman91302 жыл бұрын

  We will probably never know which route Mallory and Irvine attempted. If someone could just find some evidence either way. Just an oxygen bottle, pack, or something along either route would be amazing. As many people who've searched above the 2nd step and found nothing makes me think more and more that they did take the zig zag route and bypassed the 2nd step from below. Even the location of Mallorys body and the lack of damage to it showing that his fall was lower down and not up high where the ice ax was found below the NE ridge makes me believe that they were returning from trying Nortons route. It is an interesting mystery and I would love to see it solved. One thing is for certain, the entire 1924 team were a brave, tough, and capable lot.

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  @Alex10DelPiero292 жыл бұрын

  I am sure they did not climb the modern route and not even close to it. Why should have they? Norton was very close to the summit the day before hence if I want to summit, I am going through the same way and try to do better than him. They zig zagged the 2nd step and arrived at the base of the pyramid, where Odell claimed to have seen them at 12.50. I think there is not much discussion here, unless we think Odell had an halluciation or was just lying.

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  @charlesmitz52392 жыл бұрын

  Agree. Mallory was probably capable of doing it but he knew that Irvine was less experienced (but superbly athletic). I'm sure that would have factored into his route selection.

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  @Ronin-ke5wm10 ай бұрын

  Totally agree with you. Mallory and Irvine would have gone along the yellow band, from the 1st step, and then zig zagged up towards the 3rd step. That ties in exactly with what Odell would have seen. Mallory even said he thought the ridge route was impossible, so I'm not sure why people still think he attempted the 2nd step.

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  @WellyCoaster10 ай бұрын

  @@Ronin-ke5wm The part of the ridge Mallory was referring to was the lower section when they approached from the east in 1921, saying it's to long and blocked by the pinnacles. He wanted to access the upper part of the NE ridge from the north col, he spoke of this numerous times to the Alpine Club/RGS, it's in the journals and expedition books. The zig zag area was attempted by both 1933 parties and this was described as impossible, they searched and couldn't identify a line through it, both were forced across the couloir as Norton did.

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  @kriegenjoyer69138 ай бұрын

  ​@@charlesmitz5239we know Mallorys body and where it is so we can get a bit out of that

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  @BooBop19872 жыл бұрын

  I love this find!

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  @BS2Dos2 жыл бұрын

  “Mallory and Irvine would’ve had to have climbed this [the second step]”. Not if they had traversed and taken the Colouir route Norton had taken the day before.

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  @Alex10DelPiero292 жыл бұрын

  this is so simple! why should have the climbed a completely uknown route whereas Norton had traversed and almost summited?

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  @Alex10DelPiero292 жыл бұрын

  @@BS2Dos there was Norton's. He was not able to summit but he had arrived where no one else had arrived before. So If I were Mallory, I would have climbed through the same way, trying to do better than him. Norton was with them, they spoke about difficulties and what to do differently for sure before making the attempt.

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  @VanishedPNW Жыл бұрын

  Wow is that true? I didn't realize Norton did that route the day before. I always thought he had attempted it at another time, on the 1933 expedition. I actually just listened to "Into the Silence," but in fairness it was my "bedtime audiobook" lol, so I'm sure I missed quite a lot. I'm listening to it again, and it's 28 hours of listening. Either way, *of course* he took that route of what you say is indeed true. Of course he did. It shouldn't even be a debate if Norton, a guy on his expedition whom he is trying to beat, physically climbed the Colouir route the frickin day before. Mallory would NOT have risked his only shot at conquering the mountain by following a route that Norton did not take.

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  @stellakiefer48943 жыл бұрын

  I think he did get to the top

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  @Alex10DelPiero292 жыл бұрын

  There are strong evidences suggesting so

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  @juniorballs60252 жыл бұрын

  Yeah, me too. From where he was spotted, he had 3 hours and 10 minutes until his turnaround time. That would have been sufficient to get there. Then they most likely had the accident on the way down, which everyone knows is the most dangerous part of the trip when you are at your most vulnerable. Interestingly, the clothing they wore, whilst not as warm as modern materials, actually gave a far freer degree of movement to the person wearing them - and the older clibers recorded significantly higher climbing rates than modern climbers do. You could do a lot worse than look at a youtuber called Michael Tracy who is a mountaineer and has been researching this topic with some very interesting videos.

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  @lucidhurricane2 жыл бұрын

  @@Alex10DelPiero29 Really? like what?

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  @graemedurie90943 жыл бұрын

  Those last frames really bring home just how difficult the climb is. When the rocks are covered with snow, it looks much easier.

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  @unknownuser-fv2lq3 жыл бұрын

  Damn that looks dangerous

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  @montanamountainmen61043 жыл бұрын

  I think he did hit the summit, Sir Hillary says, no. But he wants the glory only reason.

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  @WellyCoaster8 ай бұрын

  Meh, Hillary wasn't that type, very selfless and gave back to the people.

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  @laurieannrogan13173 жыл бұрын

  He was so very handsome. Thank goodness that there is photos and footage like this that we are able to see.

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  @maverickng98663 жыл бұрын

  this was an origin of gearge mallory turning into scp 096

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  @THISISTHELONGESTNAMEEVERITHINK3 жыл бұрын

  It is not Mallory it’s Sandy (Andrew Irvine

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  @jimmywrangles3 жыл бұрын

  Outstanding.

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  @SenseiDenax3 жыл бұрын

  0:37 Is that a reconstitution or did he came back for real to Mallory's body ? I thought they buried him under rocks in 1999

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  @phmwu73682 жыл бұрын

  Probably May 1999 footage ?

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  @Bella.2162 жыл бұрын

  It's a fake body

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  @rhomai3 жыл бұрын

  ok if you all think second step can be bypassed then why the modern expeditions wont do the same.

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  @1245aryan3 жыл бұрын

  cause the chinese places a ladder on the second step so you don't have to free solo it anymore, if you take the zig zag route now you'd only have rock falling over your head from the people who took the ladder.

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  @lachyt52473 жыл бұрын

  With the ladders, second step is the far easier route than the zigzag on the norton couloir.

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  @tjlee99013 жыл бұрын

  @@lachyt5247 : also it may not be safe with climbers on the higher route these days .

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  @chetanphoenix2 жыл бұрын

  Because there are people taking the second step route and they're dropping things down like rocks, oxygen bottles etc.. if you took the bypass route those things would fall on your head.

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  @dkeener132 жыл бұрын

  several reasons: 1) with the ladder in place on the 2nd step, the ridge route is much easier 2) the Chinese government will not allow deviation from the main (ridge) route, so anyone doing it will be going rogue 3) anyone climbing below the ridge in modern times would have dozens of climbers a couple hundred feet overhead Also, as a point of fact, the 2nd step HAS been bypassed on many approaches from the North. Reinhold Messner's solo oxygen-less ascent in 1980 being the most famous.

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  @B-Shells3 жыл бұрын

  Qui-Gon Jinn up in here

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  @zipobrand70953 жыл бұрын

  I love George Mallory

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  @billyhill56673 жыл бұрын

  I wonder if the intro to this vid was a quote by Mallory? Cause if it was him saying the last great conquest for man....it goes to show that going to the moon wasn't even a wild dream. But 45 years later man did walk on the moon. Allegedly but that's a topic for a later conversation. But just think about this,it's food for thought. How many attempts were made on Everest and how many men died trying to reach it's summit? And men even in this era die every season trying to reach it's summit. But on our very first try we made it to the moon. And 5 more trips after that went up with only one mishap .... apollo 13 but even that failed attempt didn't result in any deaths. But the powers that be will say that on our first try....to the moon.....WE MADE IT!! That in and if itself is really unbelievable. But then to go on and put 10 more men on the surface of the moon ,without a single fatality or serious injury!?!? That is way to incredible to just take the pictures and a few rocks and the words of A GOVERNMENT entities word for it. Has there ever been any FIRSTS in the great achievement of men throughout time that can boast that kind of success?? HELL NO! NOW they will have you believe that arguably the single most impressive achievement of mankind happened with such grande success? I don't even believe the laws of statistics even allow for such a success. Hell how many men died trying to find the source of the Nile? Or tracing the colorado river? Or the Missouri? These are just rivers that killed men long before they reached there end. But you will say we put three men in a rocket, some of its technology never before even tested and you start this huge piece of technology with millions of moving parts on it and if any 2 if them fail then the entire vehicle will fail and the first time they have complete success and man walks in the moon. AND THEN....and thus us a big AND THEN !!!! you bring him back!?!? Come on the laws of averages do not in any way support something like that occurring once! Let alone another 5 times.

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  @ramonmartinez33753 жыл бұрын

  A topic for a later conversation?Apparently not.

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  @kevwilliams13 жыл бұрын

  Wouldn’t it have just been easier to send a man to the moon rather than fake it. Get over it mate try and sleep at night.

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  @ramonmartinez33753 жыл бұрын

  @@kevwilliams1 Harry Kane would have made it

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  @billyhill56673 жыл бұрын

  @@ramonmartinez3375 George Mallory wouldn't have.

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  @billyhill56673 жыл бұрын

  @@ramonmartinez3375 yeah... Later came sooner than I thought. I couldn't resist.

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  @KBPandey3 жыл бұрын

  No.... I don't thnk so...

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  @johnwhite87773 жыл бұрын

  That secound step would have been a real challenge.. I hope one day they find irvine and the camera.

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  @kappy11232 жыл бұрын

  Hi John,it appears as though someone did some 47 years ago. Just stumbled upon this little gem on YT that may give you and MANY others,including myself,some clarity as to what may have really happened.Hard to believe almost 100 years has elapsed and yet,so many are still fascinated and intrigued by the story of Mallory and Irvine to this day.Enjoy,Cheers!kzread.info/dash/bejne/maCBtpJxqtCngJM.html

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  @dschangodurango75964 ай бұрын

  According to a member of the 1975 chinese expedition the camera and Irvine have been found ... but the chinese wrecked the camera film due the attempt of developing it.

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  @killout183 жыл бұрын

  Even in the 20s there was no fear of God amongst man? Bible is right yet again.

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  @Bella.2163 жыл бұрын

  Oh shut up

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  @user-sc2gu6op8v3 жыл бұрын

  Вечная память этим героям...