Only thing is Mallory didn't find it, he blundered and missed it. Wheeler, the Canadian is the one who first recognized the East Rongbuk glacier as leading to the North Col. As to Mallory (and Irvine) actually making it to the top-absolutely. Odell saw them at the top of what we now call the third step and no way did they turn back at that point. They didn't climb the 2nd step because they didn't have to; simply went below it into the Great Couloirr just at Norton had 3 days earlier. Don't follow the dogma.

@wreckanchor

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think they had enough time to go around the 2nd step based on the known time they left? I have always wondered about that. It looks to me like it would take much longer to go thru the great col . Also havent modern climbers used super agressive crampons to climb that route? Mallory was in hobnailed boots right? Its all very interesting to me. I like to think they made it to the top.

George was definitely the greatest mountaineer of all time, I'm just saying.

@BRILLSTEELMOTORSPORT

2 жыл бұрын

Edward Felix Norton was better: he lived ! But everyone prefer to admire towards the unexplainable.

@jeffsmith9351

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao definitely wasnt. What a shortsighted and ultimately uninformed opinion.

@114D

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffsmith9351 how is it shortsighted? With what they had back then for him to make it as high as he did and finding a route up solidified that. He paved the way for others. If he had modern equipment he would have made it back. The summit eluded people for decades longer before Hillary and Norgay. He dared what might have seemed to be impossible by the entire population living at that time. It’s not about your skills and efficiency. There are levels to that. It’s about pioneering and daring the unthinkable and then getting that close with limited equipment. Ask others who went up with GLM’ gear. He’s the GOAT.

Those last frames really bring home just how difficult the climb is. When the rocks are covered with snow, it looks much easier.

They made it. Noel Odell saw them on top of the 2nd step at 12:50 pm. Late summit . Low oxygen. Fading light . Spelled disaster coming down. No picture of Ruth ?? Only one place that it could be.

@tommypetraglia4688

4 жыл бұрын

Wool clothes primitive boots 1920's gear, 4 hours up and back about 8,000 m with weather closing in. Perhaps when he turned back, knowing he just set a new highest record... he left her picture there. Two things haven't changed since 1924... the weather on Everest and the human condition. What finally brought humans to the top 30 years later, was the advances in technology. If the peak was bagged shortly thereafter and then again and again, one could make an argument the gear was up to the task. But it wasn't. That's my just my opinion gleaned from reading pretty much every book on high alpine climbing since I wss a kid 45 years ago

@bs431980

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Petraglia valid points. Part of me wants to believe they made it . It falls into romanticizing the story a bit but it would be awesome to find out they did . In actuality it was almost impossible. Maybe just maybe Mallory conquered the almost impossible

@JHamList

3 жыл бұрын

Irvine is still up there somewhere..

@munnjean

3 жыл бұрын

No, not at all, Odell was completely confused, at first he said he saw them on top of the second step then he recanted ,, he said it was the first step then he changed his mind again. " Well I THINK it might have been the second step ,, they ( Mallory and Irvine ) had very little chance of ascending the second step under the conditions they experienced at the time. On top of that they didn't have the oxygen to make it to the summit ,, there is no proof whatsoever that either one of them made it to the summit. As Hillary once stated ( and he was right by the way ) ,, " a successful ascent requires a successful descent " ,, absolutely, to say Mallory and Irvine made it to the top of Everest take away from the outstanding effort of Hillary and Sherpa Tenzing in 1953. There certainly is proof that they made it to the summit ,, no proof at all that Mallory and Irvine did ,, that just plain and simple fact.

@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders

3 жыл бұрын

@@munnjean There was no concept of the 3rd step back then. It's likely here that Odell spotted them at 12:50pm. It wouldn't have taken them that long to get to the 1st step and we know the 2nd step was unclimbable, certainly within the few minutes odell saw them surpass it. Also every British expedition up to and including the next 30 years went through the Norton traverse and not the ridge. They were not at the 2nd step. yes, there is no proof that they made it but you have to wonder why they died if they simply turned around and headed back. they would have had ample sunlight, yet mallorys body had his snow goggles in his pocket, suggesting a nighttime descent. You can also explain the fall they had, which would have been unlikely if they had good visibility.

Reflection: had they only had a camp vii at same altitude as camp vi but closer to the summit. As selfish as the craft is, I doubt they have regrets. H&T have title, the mystery of M&I draws you in.

They did it, all the way the hard way…and they paid the high price

Outstanding.

Qui-Gon Jinn up in here

What documentary is this clip from?

@johnmanor5236

4 жыл бұрын

It is called The Wildest Dream: The Conquest of Everest think it came out in 2010.

George Mallory didn't discover the route to Everest. That was done by Oliver Wheeler, the surveyor on the 1921 reconnaissance expedition who found that small opening off the Rongbuk glacier to the East Rongbuk glacier that leads to the North Col. Mallory claimed the find but he had overlooked the opening.

@annwe6

3 жыл бұрын

Mallory was in the 1921 expedition, so he was part of the team that discovered the route. "Charles Howard-Bury led the 1921 expedition and George Mallory, who had never before been to Himalaya, was included in the team. As events were to turn out, Mallory became the de facto lead climber. Howard-Bury wrote a book about the expedition, Mount Everest, the Reconnaissance, 1921, to which Mallory contributed six of the chapters."

@peterlovett5841

3 жыл бұрын

@@annwe6 I am aware that Mallory was with the '21 expedition but he had been up and back the Rongbuk Glacier without bothering to investigate the, albeit small, side opening that led to the East Rongbuk Glacier which led to the face of the North Col.

@annwe6

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterlovett5841 It just seems odd that he would be intentionally dishonest about discovering the route. It was the era of gentlemanly behavior and he would also have known he would be called out on it. There were plenty of witnesses.

@peterlovett5841

3 жыл бұрын

@@annwe6 May I recommend "Into The Silence: The Great War, Mallory and the Conquest of Everest" by Wade Davis. It looks at all 3 expeditions, the competing egos, the likes and dislikes within the parties, the utter amateurism of the planning committee and an epilogue written after the finding of Mallory's body on whether he summited or not. Regarding your point, Mallory and Wheeler didn't get on well and Mallory was piqued that Wheeler discovered the route to Everest. However, Mallory returned to England and fame while Wheeler went back to his day job as a surveyor in India. Wheeler had nothing more to do with the expeditions while Mallory was always going to be chosen for the next one.

@annwe6

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterlovett5841 Thank you. I'll take a look at the book and really appreciate the info. Mallory is so lionized, it's unusual to see someone humanize him.

Who the hell disliked this? 😡😡😡

I read jeffery archers. Ook

@cejka30

5 жыл бұрын

Alien any good? I’m thinking of getting it