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  @doylelorcan52 минут бұрын

  Paganism > Early-Christianity

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  @steventicknor805954 минут бұрын

  I have never heard a man claim that “nothing” was his god and was so adamant that he claimed the name of “nothing” is the answer to everything.

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  @steventicknor8059Сағат бұрын

  Peters only argument was if you don’t believe me and what I believe you are unintelligent, lazy and worthless. But what he believes is he doesn’t know but one day science will figure it out using the laws of the universe that created itself out of nothing.

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  @feartheghusСағат бұрын

  He’s saying that any occurrence is determined by external factors or some part of the brain, but he is just leaving out the possibility of it being determined by a will, then using the circular reasoning he concludes there is no free will. It’s a mixture of circular reasoning and sneaking the premise. If you argue on this front without acknowledging his dishonesty you tacitly accept that free will can’t determine anything, which is like tacitly accepting that it doesn’t exist, thus losing the game already. The whole thing is a dishonest way of concluding an assumption. There is not real argument in his argument.

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  @michellebiland5163Сағат бұрын

  God bless the Keller family. Tim is well missed. God bless ❤❤❤

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  @afilthywarlockmain1447Сағат бұрын

  “I wonder what it would look like if I did act as though there wasn’t free will” You’d be a robot. It’s really not that complicated. Either, you’re a super complex machine that only deals in output based upon input, and therefore, incapable of reason or feeling, OR, You’re a thinking, feeling, reasoning person with agency. It cannot be both.

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  @Vernon-ChitlenСағат бұрын

  Seriously? For no rhyme or reason certain elements out of 98 assembled themselves into dna? 1 gram having the equivalent information storage capacity of 88 million grams of 1 terabyte hard disk drives? Including the specific instructions for the forming and assembling every species that has ever lived? A single strand in a fertilized egg the size of this sentences period the coded instructions for the 100 quadrillion cells of an adult blue whale?

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  @81bhokeСағат бұрын

  He said 1

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  @capturedbyannamarie2 сағат бұрын

  Love this ❤️. A wise woman.

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  Submissiveness to a contentious woman is like the Cross to satan.

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  @IvanGutai-cj3rv3 сағат бұрын

  Bart won the debate. Justin's constant interjections show vulnerability of his own argument.His arguments are unconvincing.

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  @mceajc3 сағат бұрын

  I am always wary of institutions that enforce rigid heirarchies instead of a more collaborative, egalitarian system - they are prone to totalist regime. Enforcing strict gender roles and the heirarchy of god - man - woman naturally leads to people thinking of women as in some way less. I think saying "men and women are equal" and "women must be subservient to men" are incompatible thoughts. Many other commenters mention the dimunition of church attendance and ordained women in the same breath - linking the two. I suspect that there are other, larger factors at work here, such as greater and easier distribution of knowledge, the very real and measurable benefits of secular organisations and so forth. I recall reading several anecdotal theories that religions' impotence in the face of a worldwide disease that killed and is killing and injuring millions had an effect on attendance. I'd be curious to see if there are any studies to try and quantify the reasons.

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  Then the Church of Christ is not for you.

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  @aaronschmidt86312 сағат бұрын

  ​@arnoldvezbon6131 who are you to judge your sibling? (Rom 14:10 cf. Mt 7) Your judgment falls onto yourself...

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  @nimagougol87813 сағат бұрын

  No free will and no predestination, something in between as wide as earth to the sky.

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  @woohoo2733 сағат бұрын

  The first thing I’d ask Paul is if he could believe 2,000 years have passed and Jesus is still a no-show.

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  @sidneylewis87284 сағат бұрын

  Infinite universes are no more magnificent than one.

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  @ryleighloughty33074 сағат бұрын

  It's easier to embrace the world than defend the faith.

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  @ReverendDr.Thomas4 сағат бұрын

  🐟 25. THE ROLE OF FEMALES: Women are fortunate because they are BORN with a job: Daughter. Wife. Mother. Females normally have no role in public life. Exceptions to this rule are relatively rare. For instance, women may work in the arts (singers, actors, and dancers, which often demand female players), or as maids or nurses, both of which are feminine duties, providing it has no detrimental effect on their PRIMARY function, as daughters, wives, and mothers. So, a female’s fundamental role is to serve her MASTERS (any man in her family circle), even from a relatively young age, by performing domestic duties and raising her children. Barren women (heterosexual or otherwise) are extremely unfortunate, but can still devote their lives to serving their husband, father, grandfather, uncles, or in the event that none of those men are extant, adult male cousins. Studies have shown that the more a woman deviates from this innate societal function, the less she is fulfilled. The phrase, “Cat Lady”, says it all. As a general rule, women should be protected in the home, and never wander-out alone. They should FULLY cover their bodies in the presence of post-pubescent males outside the family circle. Even the prostitutes in some nations wear veils in public, even if out of fear of reprisal. Having lived the eremitic life of a monastic priest for a few decades, I can attest to the importance of keeping one’s home clean and tidy. It is obvious to me that housekeeping is very much a full-time occupation, and that if I were to neglect my domestic chores, my health and comfort would greatly diminish. As would be expected of a person in my position, I follow a strict diet and am obsessive in regards to hygiene. Without a spouse, the onus is on me to maintain my residence in a prim and proper manner, even though it results in me spending less time teaching religion as a member of the Holy Priesthood (The World Teacher, in my particular case). Therefore, the role of a housewife is of PARAMOUNT importance, and must never be discounted by anybody, particularly feminist ideologues. The following chapter deals with feminism. The ONLY reason I have resided alone for most of my adult life is due to the fact that there is a severe scarcity of decent women in my country, and indeed the entire world, what to speak of holy and righteous women. Unfortunately, few women, particularly in the more affluent nations, any longer receive adequate training in the connubial arts. In my former marriages, I was forced to perform most household chores. In recent centuries, due to various factors (FEMINISM, in particular), women have become so degraded, that is it practically impossible to find an example of an ideal woman. Therefore, in order to reference examples of such a woman, one is forced to refer to figures from ancient myths. Mariam, the mother of Lord Jesus Christ, and Devī Sītārānī, the wife of Śri Rāja Rāma, King of Ayodhya, are the epitome of womanhood, and ought to be the role models for each and every girl born on this planet. That is assuming, of course, that those two women were, in actual fact, the gentle, refined, humble and submissive goddesses they were portrayed to be in the archaic scriptures. Obviously, this teaching receives an ENORMOUS amount of scorn, contempt and derision from a certain proportion of women (and also many "men"), but that is perfectly fine, because, such foolish feminists are destined to die lonely and alone, with no family surrounding them, and hopefully not transfer their adulterated genes to forthcoming generations. In some locations in the world, STRAY COWS freely wander the urban streets, displaying their teats. Similarly, in most locations, women wander the dangerous streets alone or in groups, displaying their bosoms and other bodily parts. Such loose women are no better than STRAY COWS. The TRUTH is very difficult to accept, right, Slave? “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the TRUTH.” Siddhārtha Gautama (AKA The Buddha), Aṅguttara Nikāya 3.131 (Paraphrased). Paṭicchanna Sutta “...encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, chaste, good managers of the household, kind, being submissive to their husbands, so that the word of God may not be discredited.” ************* “Yet women will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.” ************* “Women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.” St. Paul of Tarsus, Titus 2:4-5. 1 Timothy 2:15. 1 Corinthians 14:34.

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  @cucumber7904 сағат бұрын

  Comparing gay people to alcoholics, drug users, and cancer is a crazy take lol the reason no one responded is because everyone was probably so baffled by someone making such an unfortunate and frankly disturbing comparison that it’s best to move on then to debate because how can you have a reasonable conversation with someone who’s baseline is that. Let’s say it is mental illness to play into what she’s saying, well no doctor is going to tell you you should deny having any issue willl be helpful in any way - they will tell you you need family support, and if it’s something medication can’t help, ways for your loved ones to assist. Super stupid comparison. She begs the question where’s the line? Well of course I think many would argue in the game of morals does something we do harm someone, some stealing harm someone yes, does being an alcoholic harm people yes, does lying harm someone yes, does adultery harm someone yes, does even being lustful in a straight or gay way harm someone yes. But having consensual safe intimacy harm anyone? I can’t think of a reason why it would? Nor is it anyone’s business even. Nor is it something mentioned by Jesus. Paul is focused on sex, Jesus is focused on greed - let’s try to be more like Him. This is very much an American issue - Spain is very religious and also very welcoming to gay people - regardless of if you think it’s right. Stop acting like you don’t sin everyday, very hypocritical

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  @INJESUSIMRIGHTEOUS4 сағат бұрын

  Is funny how all atheists try to keep only their opinion and believe, and wants Christians to ignore our opinion and believes, as if they were the only ones that exist and matter. And they get angry about it, which proves to me, they are fighting against their own beliefs, trying to convince themselves more than trying to convince others about their own belief.

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  @aosidh4 сағат бұрын

  Very astute observation that decent people might avoid a complementarian church. I know I do 🫡 Does Kathy worship god's words, or does she worship St Paul's?

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  @batesestabrooks37743 сағат бұрын

  Did Paul not speak with his authority as an apostle?

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  You are out to lunch.

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  @capturedbyannamarie2 сағат бұрын

  Paul’s words are God’s inspired scripture. God breathed.

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  @aosidh2 сағат бұрын

  @@capturedbyannamarie even the ones he didn't write? I've always been confused by that

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  @capturedbyannamarie2 сағат бұрын

  @@aosidh as Christian’s we believe the Bible is the God’s word God breathed. There is a verse in Timothy that says this. We believe that God inspired the authors to write what they wrote. They were the scribes of God. Scripture actually has hundreds of thousands of cross references referring back to itself in amazing ways.

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  @karl53955 сағат бұрын

  Mike Winger has a well researched youtube video series 'women in ministry' on this.

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  @samcoffing22964 сағат бұрын

  And there are many, many rebuttals. See Terran Williamz

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  @batesestabrooks37743 сағат бұрын

  A plethora of words does not make them true.

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  Maybe in the protestant cults but not in the Church of Christ.

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  @dalethomas53925 сағат бұрын

  Loving one's enemy.

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  @joes18975 сағат бұрын

  Women's ordination is no different from acceptance of same-sex marriage. Evangelicals are now 100% for the former and will accept the latter in 10-15 years time because evangelicalism is nothing but a secular sub-culture running a generation behind the mainstream culture.

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  @claudinearce91095 сағат бұрын

  Thankful to God for using Tim to bless so many people! Kathy you are blessed.

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  @HarryNicNicholas5 сағат бұрын

  do these folks expect to find a trademark? "made by god in taiwan"? god has spent 2000 years protecting the most precious thing in the universe - MY free will - do you think he's going to leave ANY sign that he exists? are you people mad? you are required to have FAITH - to not know if god is real or not. he isn't going to blow it by making little robots with his name on is he.

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  @SMD23085 сағат бұрын

  As a woman, and one who studied feminism for two years as part of my under-graduate degree, I used to support women’s ordination, as part of equality, but as I grew in my faith, I realised this was not as the Bible taught (for whatever reason). As a former Anglican, I saw that as the Biblical teachings on leadership regarding gender were subverted, this led to more and more changes that were not Biblically based. This has basically led to apostasy and gradually to the church dying. I now believe men and women were created equal, but have different roles. And only men ought to be ordained into spiritual leadership roles such as elders and bishops, etc..

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  @Apriluser5 сағат бұрын

  Amen! And as an Anglican (ACNA and in a district that does not ordained women) I heartily agree with your assessment. My husband is our priest. Blessings.

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  @ReverendDr.Thomas4 сағат бұрын

  Equality is non-existent in this phenomenal sphere. Equality exists in abstract ideas such as mathematics and arguably on the sub-atomic level ALONE.🤓 UNFORTUNATELY, it requires an intelligence quotient above double-digits in order to be able to comprehend such truthful concepts. 😛

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  Men and women are not equal. I think the problem is most people don't understand what equal means... This would be like saying apples and oranges are equal because they are both fruit but we all know that is not the case. There needs to be a qualifier to specify in what way are they equal and there is only one way they are equal and that is we are both offered salvation in Christ but that is where the equality ends.

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  @ReverendDr.Thomas2 сағат бұрын

  @@arnoldvezbon6131 Equality is non-existent in this phenomenal sphere. Equality exists in abstract ideas such as mathematics and arguably on the sub-atomic level ALONE.🤓 UNFORTUNATELY, it requires an intelligence quotient above double-digits in order to be able to comprehend such truthful concepts. 😛

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  @rochellecaffee14176 сағат бұрын

  David French attended a Mental Health “local” Agency with me, Rochelle D. Caffee, at a time when i was recovering from a “SPIRITUAL ATTACK” on my PROTESTANT CHRISTIANITY, in my local BIBLE CHURCH, NEIGHBORHOOD, ON ME, AND MY 4 CHILDREN. HE WAS DELUSIONAL THEN, AND WE HAD NO KIND OF “healthy” relationship at any time, in any way, THOUGH I FOUND OUT THAT HE HAS BEEN USING ME, (LIKE SO MANY OTHERS) FOR HIS SELFISH AMBITIONS. I hardly spent ANY TIME around him or in any activities where we spent time IN THE SAME BUILDING. We ONLY speak, in very “light” terms to be polite, in the Office “waiting room”….AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF HIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHO I AM, AND MY INTERESTS. IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS “TALKING OUT OF ORDER”, when it comes to ME, ROCHELLE D. CAFFEE. He was probably connected to other people there, who thought i was a very extreme leftist, because i “looked” “Hippi’ish” at the time, but when i committed my life to Christ, (with a Dunking-Baptism, at my Bible Church) in 1984, i was moving further away from THAT WAY I THINKING, (MARXIST/COMMUNIST) toward VERY “OLD FASHIONED” CONSERVATIVE POINTS OF VIEW, and during Obama’s Presidency I registered as a Republican, hating the “Sharia Law” that he was trying to bring into our blessed country, America!!!

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  @documentingordinarythoughts6 сағат бұрын

  Thank you !

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  @ponderingspirit6 сағат бұрын

  Justin Bass was embarrassing to witness. Such poor form. Don't ever invite him again. Terrible

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  @peggylivermore26136 сағат бұрын

  It’s interesting that the books of Acts chapters 2 and 13 says King David did not ascend to heaven.

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  @lupinthe4th4006 сағат бұрын

  This has been a problem recently in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Although the vast majority adheres to the Holy Canons, there are some "intellectuals" (as usual) who strongly argue for female ordination. I am happy to see Western Christians also objecting to yet another subversive innovation inspired by the wicked one. Pride is at the heart of innovation.

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  @mceajc3 сағат бұрын

  Ah, perhaps now I see the heart of conservatism? Is it a desire for things to remain exactly as they are - no innovation, no change? Everything after being ejected from Eden was a mistake? I would be very curious what innovations you would rather be without? I mean, the creation of the Christian church was an innovation, of a sort. There are a great many Christians who also show a rather unseemly amount of pride in being religious, too.

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  @lupinthe4th4003 сағат бұрын

  @@mceajc conservatism does not have to do with simply retain old traditions, which may be stupid and horrific. When it comes to Christianity, God's revelation to man is, of course, infallible. Therefore, any deviation from that (any innovation), would necessarily be false. The fall of Christianity had always been about proud people not sticking to the Church Fathers, neglecting the deposit of faith and doing their own thing. It's only out of utmost respect that the Church pays much attention in preserving what was passed on from generation to generation. Also, the Church was established by Jesus Christ (at least my Church, i.e. the Eastern Orthodox Church). It's not an innovation. Perhaps you are referring to the newly created Protestant churches, which we, as Orthodox, do not see as members of the historical Church. PS: Of course pride exists everywhere, in Christians and non-Christians alike. It's probably the sin of all sins, what led Lucifer against God.

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  @@mceajc Christ himself created the church so you are making a category mistake or are intentionally trying to obfuscate. If you want "innovations" there are 40000 protestant sects to choose from.

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  @lkae46 сағат бұрын

  Kathy was our Evangelical spiritual mother before Jordan Peterson became internet dad.

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  @kevinnash24447 сағат бұрын

  Has GOD changed his mind about this? If, not, and He has not then, anyone who opposes His word is in Rebellion.

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  @batman52247 сағат бұрын

  I think the problem is that the ordination of women is usually the first step a church takes towards apostasy. It would be one thing if it ended there, but it often doesn’t. The fruit is rotten.

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  @junevandermark9527 сағат бұрын

  Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech. Of course the words in the bible are sexist ... because in the era when the bible was compiled ... "men" that wrote the words in the bible ... WERE very sexist. If women had compiled the words in the bible ... the story would have been that a Goddess created the universe ... and that the Goddess said that men had to be subservient to women. And the fact that the bible was compiled over 1500 years, by men on different continents ... should alert us to the fact that they were listening to voices in their own heads ... not to words uttered by Jesus ... who (by the way) was said to be a Jewish Rabbi. From the book “Smith’s Bible Dictionary. Bible There are at least thirty six different authors, who wrote in three continents, in many countries, in three languages, and from every possible human standpoint. Among these authors were kings, farmers, mechanics, scientific men, lawyers, generals, fishermen, ministers and priests, a tax-collector, a doctor, some rich, some poor, some city bred, some country born-thus touching all the experiences of men-extending over 1500 years.

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  @maafa21MustSee7 сағат бұрын

  It takes 10 to the 23 power of faith to be an atheist. The atheists are so far back on their heels they don't even make sense anymore.

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  @larriveeman7 сағат бұрын

  people want to do what they "feel", feelings have no bearing on truth, scripture is truth, man and woman are equal and equally valued but have different roles

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  @mceajc4 сағат бұрын

  I was given to understand that many people come to faith and stay there because of a "feeling" - a burning in the bosom, a sensation of being visited by the holy spirit. How does one identify the differences between these non-tangible things? In my country, the law is based on what is called "natural justice", where the punishment should fit the crime - be in proportion to the harm. To many, it "feels" wrong to cut the hands off a theif, or, for some examples of things worthy of being stoned to death in the bible: Working on the sabbath; having a stubborn, rebellious son; homosexuality; blaspheming; idolatory; adultery. If feelings have no bearing on truth, how does feeling the spirit of the lord relate to the truth of their existence? If scripture is the arbiter of truth, should these examples I gave be used to justify publicly stoning people to death? If men and wonen have different roles, why, throughout history, are there examples of both carrying out acts generally ascribed to the other? Who are we to decide the limits of what others can achieve - and if you beleive in a god, those abilities were god-given. Why should we be policing the existence of others? Are women preachers causing harm? If there is evidence for this, I have not seen it. Are masculine women or effeminate men causing harm? If there is evidence for this, I have not seen it. I suspect that many people do not "like" when women perform "men's work", because of what they have read in the bible and how they "feel", but as you say, feelings have no bearing on truth. The way to truth is through rational thought, evidence and careful examination of our own biases so that we do not fall prey to them. At least - that's how I feel about it! :)

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  @RobertEMason7 сағат бұрын

  Either we obey God and do as He commands and wills or we compromise and will suffer the consequences. It's pride that makes people want to argue their position rather than humbly accepting and saying "not my will, but Your will be done."

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  @imyourhuckleberry837 сағат бұрын

  I mean, sure. But there are plenty of scriptural issues where the bible is a bit vague and there can be reasonable disagreement. For many, this is one of them.

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  @SMD23086 сағат бұрын

  @@imyourhuckleberry83the Bible is not vague on this issue.

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  @arnoldvezbon61313 сағат бұрын

  @@imyourhuckleberry83 There is disagreement in the sects of Protestantism that are not really the Christina Church.

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  @LeslieFlemons7 сағат бұрын

  Wow. It’s quiet in here. But either way, we should be civil on this issue no matter.

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  @lkae47 сағат бұрын

  Yes, sisters feeling the heat from this woman of God. 😅

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  @ryleighloughty33074 сағат бұрын

  Why do you feel the need to say this?

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  @lkae44 сағат бұрын

  @@ryleighloughty3307 Kathy Keller has gotten decades of venom from women of all beliefs and backgrounds over this issue, many in her own denomination and church. People think Tim was a soldier. No, Kathy was the soldier.

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  @LeslieFlemons3 сағат бұрын

  @@ryleighloughty3307 say what?

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  @ryleighloughty33073 сағат бұрын

  @@LeslieFlemons Why do you feel the need to say this?

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  @12rotter7 сағат бұрын

  The words " totally" and "deluded" spring to mind. This fool is completely hatstand.

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  @irishwarlord1008 сағат бұрын

  Atkins wont be missed. What a misrable old man.

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  @DrTomoculus8 сағат бұрын

  I'm not sure why Jon Stewart left Paul McCartney out of his title "Dylan, Lennon, Marx and God" In January 1967, Paul McCartney announced "There is no God, there is no Soul, and I'm just one of the wizards that's going to sort out society." This appears in the International Times, as run by Peter Asher (his sister is Jane Asher, his father was Richard Asher, who committed suicide in his house, but they couldn't find him for 3 days), Barry Miles, and John Dunbar. This is Communist talk. This is less than 6 months after he has just seen John Lennon's statements about Jesus Christ, create furor in certain sections of America. And these statements weren't even as inflammatory. And I am shocked that you can find files on George Harrison and John Lennon from both the FBI and CIA, but very little, if at all about McCartney. And what McCartney has stated in January 1967, makes him FBI and CIA enemy number one in that Cold War that is supporting sending troops to Vietnam to fight the spread of such ideals, and keeping it out of America. And the rest of the world if possible. McCartney's statement literally seems to have evaporated to irrelevance, whereas Lennon's statement, which wasn't incorrect, nor was meant as insult to Jesus Christ, or Religion, has endured and is a pivotal moment in their history. It was a comment about Fame. If Lennon had said soon after "There is no God, there is no Soul, and I'm just one of the wizards that's going to sort out society", the press would have been on that in a heartbeat, and he most definitely would have been in the eyesight of the FBI and CIA. But McCartney is also the Beatle that can disappear and go completely underground while sequestered in central London for TWO MONTHS between September and November 1966, and go completely undetected. No photographs. No press. No appearances. No gigs. NOTHING. A Beatle capable of doing this in 1966, should not need a Mal Evans to help him survive leaving hotel rooms and cars. Because Ringo Starr cannot go on holiday with Maureen Starkey in Spain without the press knowing it. Nor can he join up with John Lennon who is filming a movie in Spain, which the press know about. Nor can John Lennon come back from Spain without being photographed exiting the plane. And George Harrison can't go to India without the press knowing where he is. Why do they keep wanting to know where they are? Cuz they're Beatles. But also because by August 1966, their contract with Brian Epstein had not been renegotiated. And the press are hounding whomever they can find to ask are The Beatles leaving Epstein, or are they breaking up. Between September and November 1966, this is all the press want to know. Plus Northern Songs Ltd. is a public company on the open stock market. Any shake up in management is going to cause those stocks to fall. Brian Epstein has already dealt with Allen Klein back in 1964, and rejected an offer he made on US distribution. They're hearing from him again in June 1966, when he says he wants to manage them. And they hear about him in a BIG way in November 1966, when it makes the British newspapers that he's acquired two Beatles as clients. And Brian Epstein, John Lennon, George Harrison, and Ringo Starr were all available to the press to tell them that Klein was talking bullshit. They outright said he had none of them as clients. Paul McCartney? He's left London for Africa when the rest of them are all now back in England. No one seems to know he's done this either, and he seems to not be able to get the dates right to make the trip possible. (Go to Mal Evans account, and whether Jane Asher was there or not). McCartney's also the only one who doesn't like Epstein's management. But nevermind that!!! How is a Beatle escaping the country without detection, and completely going under the radar in concern with the press, media, EVERYBODY. This is why the FBI and CIA don't have files on him ;)

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  @tobiasomondi479 сағат бұрын

  James had some very good points. The problem I have with him is his attitude. I do not think it's wise to make faces when the other person is speaking. It speaks of a lack of willingness to listen. That in itself is the sin of pride.

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  @DaBlasta819 сағат бұрын

  who are they referring to that doesn't believe J existed but believes he was crucified??.. Richard Carrier??

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  @familyaccount87999 сағат бұрын

  Perhaps the answer to Mr. Grayling about the idea of cosmopolitanism predating Christianity is that cosmopolitanism was an idea first put forward by the Stoics. The Stoics were the founders of natural law theory and they also believed in filial and religious piety. As such, Paul would have agreed with their insights sighting how natural law is in accordance with Biblical law as per the letter to the Romans. Nonetheless the Stoics were no more successful than Christians in eradicating the evil of slavery from society and neither Stoics nor Christians attempted to attack the institution itself. The Stoics would have seen it as an evil fate beyond their control and Christians similarly would have seen it as institution in a fallen world beyond their control to change. Jesus was no political revolutionary and both Paul and the Stoics would have agreed on emphasizing the internal freedom even in the face of outer conditions of subjugation, as per 1 Corinthians 7:22. The idea of eradicating the institution itself didn’t seem possible until society itself was morally united enough and strong enough to challenge it with its political institutions. That didn’t really happen till after the Barbary and African slave trades caused a moral crisis forcing societies to make that decision.

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  @BatTaz199 сағат бұрын

  Ben needs to demonstrate the truth of his first premise. It's a presupposition and fallacious.

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  @ivorycxxxx9 сағат бұрын

  Morals fall off when it turns to politics. To maintain the majority of the vote you need to cater to the majority of the people, and those people will have different morals. That leaves politicians with the only choice being to discard morals when it comes to getting votes. What the world needs are politicians who speak the truth about what they’ll do and how they feel, so people can better get a grasp on who they’re actually voting into office.

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  @angloaust15759 сағат бұрын

  He was bruised for our iniquities However not a bone of him was broken!

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  @robertsanders29929 сағат бұрын

  Collins is very smart. But.... There is no such thing as god, any god. He should know that.