Lol dude, I'd pay real money to watch you teach a college class with the pat on the back and the "pew pew pew pew" noises. Awesome info.

@KineticConsulting

5 жыл бұрын

Should have been there for my public speaking class, I taught a bunch of college kids to use a tourniquet. Shit was awesome. I should have had someone film it.

I love your chill ass intro music vs the regular HARDCORE RAHH in the shooting industries.

This is the best video explaining this on the net.

Just came here to say that I just used your parallel zero target from the website. Holy shit was that easy. 30 rounds total which includes confirmation at 50 and 100. Thanks man!!

Nice video. I've always used a halfway approach. I use a parallel windage zero and a converging elevation zero. Basically, I just make a quick converging zero, then adjust the windage until it doesn't drift left or right when aiming the rifle at different ranges. It's just as quick and convenient as the converging zero and has the same characteristics as the zero on your optic so it's more natural to me.

@cm2973

4 жыл бұрын

Do the same thing. On for elevation at 50/200 and offset for windage.

@236vic

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, so you use parallel windage zero method and have preset adjustments for different distances for the laser, correct? But in the field you would need to know the distance to your target. How do you calculate that?

@wolfram2272

Жыл бұрын

@@236vic Little late for this reply but that's not what he's doing. His elevation zero functions the same way a red dots zero works essentially. The way his zero would work is that his hold is basically the same as your regular optic zero would be just with the need to hold slightly to the right because of the windage difference (assuming the laser is to the right of the bore.)

@griffey11

Жыл бұрын

Late to the party. Are you just ensuring Lazer doesn't drift left and right at different ranges or are you shooting at different ranges to confirm?

@johnwitherell6662

Жыл бұрын

@@griffey11 if you know your red dot is zeroed you can absolutely verify parallel azimuth optically you don't have to shoot it. Elevation has different height over bore, but if you know the coincidence range you can check that distance and confirm visually.

Great job. Very thorough!!!

Masterful job sir. I've often found the people who can explain this the best arnt making KZread videos. But here we have a young man who knows his shit. And took the time to explain it. If you watch this video and still can't figure it out. YOU'RE wrong. I subscribed immediately. Hard to find with content from people who lived by the tradecraft and concepts and are able to explain it so clearly.

Damn dude this helped a lot. Love the sound effects too.

Great Instruction, easy graphics and simplifying the process Brother. RLTW

Thank you for this

Good stuff

I'm 4 years late to the party but for anyone interested in an easier way to parallel zero: Zero optic to 50m. Zero laser to converge on point of impact @50m. Aim center on a 100m target, and measure where the laser is in relation to the point of aim (bring a friend, or use a camera and graph paper). That lasers position is the inverse of the position of your laser in relation to the bore. You can then zero the optic to whatever distance you want, put a dot wherever the laser should be (from your measurement), line it all up and you should be good. Always confirm/true.

"this is not the scale" this tells me your diagram was just "good enough" achieve greatness!

@satyrpain

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is gold.

Quick and dirty knowledge bombs. Very clear instructions. Can't believe this is free

I have a sig canebrake with mlok handguard chambered in 300 blk out was wondering if u could give me a couple tips on sighting it in particularly with the homemade zero device you were describing thanks 🙏

Makes you wonder why no company has tried to design a system so the illuminator and Lazer are centered with the top rail thus also centred with the bore so that you only have to adjust your height over bore offset for a parallel zero that is good to go and will be easy to remember

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

There is 1 company that is. Reason they didn't previously is because of the a2 style front sight

@MassaSnowshi

2 жыл бұрын

CTF-1 has entered the chat

I cant figure out the parallel zero for my 1861 CS Richmond . All seriousness awesome video, super helpful, great teacher.

I have three different target (trex, yours, and canebrake solutions (its the army one) for parallel zeroing your laser on top mount at 25 meters. they are all different and have the laser and daytime optic placement in different places? I'm getting very confused at this point. I would be glad to show pics to show you my confusion.

Hi great video thanks. convergence gives you a reference point to distance which is very important information in the field where you do not get to set up your target, correct? Would it not give you vital information after it crossed zero as to where you would adjust your aim to hit your target beyond the zero at 50 yards.

@yzhou05

2 жыл бұрын

You would have to shoot at the target first, possibly missing, and then analyze POA/POI to figure out an approximate distance. With a flat shooting cartridge regular parallel zero would obviate the need for distance estimation at most distances you would aim with a laser at. You would also need to be able to clearly see where your rounds are landing, not so easy under nods on soft targets.

Does this apply to a pistol with a dot as well? I use a trl 8ag with a Holosun 507 grx2. Would I have the laser run parallel to the bore and have my optic on point of impact at 15 yards?

The way I've done mine in the past is by mating up the laser with the optic reticle as far away as I can possibly see it, and then adjusting the elevation only, to be able to fine tune for as little hold over/under as possible.

@KineticConsulting

Жыл бұрын

That is a 3rd way. Just make sure to confirm it on paper

@BuckFoeJiden

Жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting yeah, that's how I fine tune for elevation. I try and take the laser out absolutely as far as I can see it through my optic for that as well. Generally speaking, I don't get too wrapped around the axle about it though, unless it's an IR laser. As long as it's within a couple of inches at 50 feet or so with a red or green laser, I'm okay with it. I mostly only use designators close up anyway.

thank you for the video lot to take in. I wanted to ask can't you use a bore laser to help match the laser dot and align them like that ?

@KineticConsulting

2 жыл бұрын

You can but bore lasers don't act like bullets. It would just be a way to get them clothes, not to get them exact

@framefilmstudio

2 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting I gotcha so a good starting point but down range to dial it in

question... if you used a converging zero for your laser and held your rifle the same as you would for an offset red dot, couldn't you make your holds exactly the same for the optic and laser? im guessing that this would work out well as long as the height over bore was the same and that the rifle is canted so the laser is at the 12 o'clock position when using it. would this work on a b.e. Myers mawl, where the offset is a little greater?

@stevenbekkering4323

Жыл бұрын

im guessing it's easier to hold the rifle normally and just offset the dot on the target and adjust the laser to the same distance your point of impact is for your optic.

Great explanation w/o putting me to sleep. Thanks for not just saying “DO THIS.” Going to try setting up parallel zero on DBAL D2 using the cutout for the laser. Any targets yet for D2 and if not, which one of the targets on your site would get me closest? Great point about making sure tgt is level too! Also, IDK if I missed it but shoot these parallel zeros at 25yards and then verify at other distances?

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

Brighten the closest laser zero Target on my website is for the peq. Yes you want to zero at 25 then confirm at 50 and 100 if possible. The purpose is to confirm that you still have alignment in a parallel form all the way through

@f16grinch3

3 жыл бұрын

FWIW...used the PEQ-15 25yd zero target to get parallel zero on my DBAL D2 and worked like a CHAMP!!!

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear

So with the wilcox raidx, the converging zero would be just up and down with distance? or would the parallel zero just work?

@KineticConsulting

2 жыл бұрын

Both zeros work. Parallel would make you hold higher and higher. Where a converging just keeps the poi and poa similar farther

If I have my IR laser offset 45 degrees on my rail...I did that for space on my HK416...and probably wont use it for anything past 200m is converging still good? I have it set to a 25m zero right now. But may change my optic and laser to 50m.

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

That's not a preferred method but converge at a further distance than 25 is definitely suggested

@Thunderbolt22A10

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting would 36 yards be preferred for laser zero? I currently have my optic zero'd to that distance (36-300 zero)

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thunderbolt22A10 I don't do a 36 yd zero and wouldn't.

@Thunderbolt22A10

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting appreciate the response man!!

Ok so I got kind of a weird setup going on. I’m thinking of using a TOR Mini on my Colt, it will be mounted on the exact same level as the bore but offset to the left. Basically I just offset the laser at like 50yd or whatever the exact same distance (to the left) as it is from the center of the bore? Any issues with having the laser at the same level as the bore that I’m not thinking of?

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

Just know your offsets.

@rifleshooterchannel208

3 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting That simple, huh? Cool. Thank you.

THX FOR THIS FANTASTIC VIDEO !..I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT THIS TODAY AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE FOUND YOUR VIDEO. PLZ, IF YOU GET THIS MSG, COULD YOU TELL ME IF I AM THINKING PROPERLY..{I FAILED GEOMETRY IN JR HIGH} . MY LASER IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY HANDGUARD. THE BEAM IS 2" PARALLEL TO MY CENTER BORE. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF I HAD CHAMBERED A BORE LASER AND MY LASER OPTIC IS TURNED ON, SHOULDN'T WHERE THE 2 BEAMS LAND, AT WHATEVER DISTANCE BE 2" GIVE OR TAKE ?.. SO IF MY THINKING IS TRUE, WHEN I NEED TO TAKE A SHOT RELYING ON MY LASER, I WOULD HAVE TO USE A 2" HOLDOVER. .. I HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU. ONCE AGAIN, THX FOR YOUR CHANNEL....B.K.

Parallel to Optic VS Parallel to Bore. Is there a difference? Explain please.

@sputnik9708

2 жыл бұрын

Your optic is not parallel to the bore.

What is the best if all you have access to is 25 yrds? Mainly for hunting an self defense. Running Dbal A3.

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

Probably a parallel zero until you can get out further

Curious, if I were to set a parallel zero on a rail, would that zero carry over to another rail and barrel with the similar distance between the mount and the bore? Say I zero a peq on a Mk18 RIS 2 and wanted to put that peq on a DD FSP 14.5, can I do that with little or no adjustments?

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. It may be close but you'll need to confirm.

@yankee.whte.

3 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting Super quick with the reply, thanks for responding. I figured it wouldn’t be that easy. I’d love to take a class with you if you’re ever around the Florida Panhandle soon

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

@@yankee.whte. I have a couple nvg classes near you. One in S. Georgia (Ashburn) and one in Central FL (mulberry). Check out the schedule on my website

I want to add a high quality laser to my AK74M, it will be right above dust cover on a weaver mount. Will this system work for that?

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

As long as that dust cover is stable and doesn't shift you could possibly but handguards are a way better option.

@charlieb308

4 жыл бұрын

Kinetic Consulting what I’m using is RS regulate side mount and weaver top piece. Solid

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlieb308 then you should be good

If you can’t get your LAM dialed in correctly, no worries, just chunk a GROW NAID at your target.

@SpringWoodsFarm

3 жыл бұрын

not the ole Grow Naid

Good video! I'm going to use parallel on my rifle and converging on my pistol. What's a good target for parallel zero? I'm running a holosun ir laser on my DD MK18

@KineticConsulting

2 жыл бұрын

On my website I have targets that can help you depending on the laser you're using

@victorolguin

2 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting thanks!!! Will that holosun target work for a holosun LE117IR?

@KineticConsulting

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorolguin it won't. They aren't the same dimensions

Are their any targets available for zeroing a zenitco perst 4 or anything similar?

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

On my website I have Peq15 targets that should get you close.

@user-bx9rs8gx6p

3 жыл бұрын

Ok, thank you, I have to try it out

@yurimaguski2558

2 жыл бұрын

Good enough huh

I tilt/cant my rifle so my laser sits above right over the Barrel and have it zeroed the same as my reddot use it for close quarter's just keep in mind the hight over bore from 0 to 25 zero

@honorshot5448

7 ай бұрын

Yes this also gets ur optic out of your pov and you can weld the rifle with this too. Super smart, and totally explains the position of the laser on peq's.

Contact Kenetic consulting for all your graphic and sound effect needs 🤙🏼

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

Lol standard me

Where does parallel zeroing originate?

What if you use a converging zero at say 1,000 yards the cross over point will never be reached and from your bore to laser will start @ 1.5" and will only get closer all the way to the apex of the laser/red dot. By overlapping your IR laser to an already zeroed RDS you will never have to fire a shot to zero your laser and your hold overs/unders will be exactly the same as your RDS. The problem you are not acknowledging with a parallel zero is it will never be perfectly aligned with the bore because the adjustments of lasers are so coarse. You can easily verify this by using your NV to look through your RDS at distance to see how far off your parallel zero has moved. @kinetic consulting John, ask Sam Huston of TNVC/Warrior Poet/ Green Line Tactical on his opinion on overlapping/converging zero vs parallel. You'll find he and a lot of the SOF community uses the same method I do with the exception that Sam zeros at a set distance. Please post his answer here after.

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

Lol one of the problems with trying to converge at 1000 is you're not accouting for the ballistics of the round man also seeing that far with a red dot is probably not going to happen. As for the parallel zero never being perfect I once again refer to the ballistics for a round over distance man. Not only that but the lasers beam actually gets larger the further out it gets, that's how we can see it. Hence why it changes location in reference to the red dot. That's why knowing your holds and understanding your setup, zero and ballistics to the rifle is so important.

@munnyshot8301

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting What you're not getting moving the point at where it converges at only gets narrower to the apex. If you want to be specific for a 5.56 use 700 meters with a RDS that has a 50/200 meter zero. Your holds will still be exactly the same as your RDS and the crossover point will be well beyond the capability of the 5.56 round. Your parallel zero is flawed due to the coarse adjustments of an IR laser it will not remain parallel to infinity. This can easily by looking through your RDS with your night vision to see how off your IR laser is vs your RDS. Don't believe me look and see. You're not going to believe this either but if you have a co aligned visible/IR and sighted in using your visible it will also be off compared to your IR laser.

@SkeezyFPV

4 жыл бұрын

Also, your 2 moa rds is 10" @ 500 so just as the size of the laser grows so does your red dot. I align my green vis at dusk with my red dot at about 500m until the dot turns a yellowish color. It's always spot on and the converging zero is past the functional limit of either sight in my opinion. I don't care what the bullet is doing at 800m with a rds

@munnyshot8301

4 жыл бұрын

​@@SkeezyFPV You should always care what the bullet is doing/headed at all distances until impact. The misconception of a slaved Vis and IR laser is that it's exactly the same at all distances which is false. The Vis and IR can only be slaved/coaligned at 1 distance, after that the 2 will cross over. This can be verified at night looking through your RDS and seeing how far off your IR laser is off which is why overlapping your IR and RDS at the furthest distance is the most efficient way to utilize your LAM at distance.

fucking achieve greatness!

I just watched your video. I am new to lasers and zeroing. I believe parallel zeroing is going to be easiest for me to shoot. In a nutshell, I want the laser point of aim centered on my crosshair and point of impact about an inch down and to the left, correct?

@KineticConsulting

5 ай бұрын

Nope. You may need to watch it again.

@strat1960s

5 ай бұрын

Ok, I think the mistake I made was thinking I should zero the laser to the crosshair of my mounted IR Scope. What I should be doing is zeroing the laser to the point of impact. Is that the correct goal/mindset?@@KineticConsulting

What song is that in your intro? I was straight vibing

@KineticConsulting

4 ай бұрын

Shows it under the description

that photo though...

Which target does one use for a DBal A2?

@KineticConsulting

3 жыл бұрын

You can use my PEQ15 target on my website.

What about a laser that sits 12 o'clock center on the rail above the bore instead of offset?

@KineticConsulting

Жыл бұрын

The same concepts apply.

Great explanation. A bore sighter helps a lot to start zeroing before taking into consideration the bullet drop. If you don’t have one, direct bore sighting (bolt actions) put you on paper pretty quickly too. If you bring a gun vise to the range, it makes the process of adjusting the laser without moving the barrel alignment much easier. This is specially useful if you don’t have a buddy to help you.

at 13:42, I believe your image is wrong, I say this because I don't believe you took bullet drop in to account. The laser should actually be higher than where the rounds land, as the laser will always have a straight line where as the bullet will have a curved trajectory. If you zero at a 300M target, and transition to a 50m target (referencing US Army range qualification targets for my example), you would aim near the base of the 50m target, because your round will have a higher point of impact at 50m.

Could you use a laser bore sighter and measure your laser dots at 3 different distances from center bore laser

Hi, So what will you recommend if I shoot from 5 yards up to 200 yards? Parallel or convergent? Because in case that I have zero on 50 yards in the dead center I will definitely have a big miss on 200 yards.

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

I would converge at 100. Parallel will work well too but it will take you a lot longer to achieve

@yurecc177

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting Big thanks

@munnyshot8301

4 жыл бұрын

​@@yurecc177 A converging/overlapping zero of your IR laser/RDS at the furthest distance you can see is the best. Think of it this way start with 2 points 1.5 inches away from each other, now draw both lines to converge at 1000 meters (random number). The 2 points never crossed and only got closer together starting at 1.5 inches (widest point) until they met at 1,000 meters.

@Michael-ui1tp

8 ай бұрын

@@munnyshot8301 This was incredibly easy to understand and apply, it makes converging/overlapping zero seem to be more efficient. But to each shooter their own. Thanks again. Do you have to zero the IR laser and the Vis laser separate? Im very vanilla with this process

RE @17:00 parallel zero being time-consuming, shot a 25 yard group first ( group size should be ~ .25" ), then adjust your visible laser with regard to that group. Verify by shooting with your visible laser.

With a converging zero, wouldn’t your laser diverge up and left after the zero point? Because you are adjusting the laser up to meet you optic, not down to meet your bullet flight. I use a 200 yard converging laser zero with a 50/200 optic zero, and hits out to 300 are always within a few inches of my optic because of the bullet flight. At 200, my optic, laser, and POI are the same. After 300, the bullet drops more dramatically while the laser continues up and left.

@KineticConsulting

8 ай бұрын

If you're converging everything at the same distance, then actually your optic is being dialed to where your Barrel is and your laser would be dialed to the same spot. The reason it diverges down and left is because the angle at which you set the laser to that point of convergence which is your impact at 200. The reason it is high and left of your 300 yd is because of the point of Impact being low due to the zero. The laser is low and left from the optic, high and left from bullet impact if that makes sense. Overall the lasers probably around 10 to 12 inches wide at 300 yd and is probably taking up all that space anyways

I have a picture with accurate measurements of a peq15 with mro from the bore line if you'd like me to send it to you

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

No need, I have them now.

@crunchyknees3622

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting ok cool. Someone off p&s posted a nice muzzle picture with measurements displayed.

@KineticConsulting

4 жыл бұрын

@@crunchyknees3622 I have an MRO and peq but it will change slightly depending on mounts and uppers

@crunchyknees3622

4 жыл бұрын

@@KineticConsulting right. I forgot about rail sizing. I think it's from a mk16 rail

@YogaNinja76

3 жыл бұрын

@@crunchyknees3622 PO

You almost always want to set your laser to converge at the longest yardage that you would be shooting

@kaiul2967

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. I would say a 300m zero would be best!

No Dbal D2 target? I see you only did one for the A3

@KineticConsulting

Жыл бұрын

It's the same as the A3 if I remember correctly

For me, parallel is the way to go, even for short ranges and pistols. If I were to use a converging zero, I would try to place it as far away as possible.

@clayowens4176

9 ай бұрын

How short can u go parallel? Is it good for cqb?

@cajuncritter8822

8 ай бұрын

I'm setting mine up bottom side of rifle with a low profile mlok laser, distance from center of barrel to center of laser is .9 almost 1 inch. It will stay that way until bullet drop@@clayowens4176

I do converging @ 100 meters. 👍🏽

All i needed to understand why parallel and not converging

@KineticConsulting

5 ай бұрын

It's not an either/or. It's a choose what works for you.

@juniorkolo1740

5 ай бұрын

@@KineticConsulting I've ordered a Vortex impact 4000 and this video helps me understand a lot. The parallel option means that the distance between the laser line and the line of sight is small for best accuracy on small targets. The convergence option is excellent, but is most accurate at zero distance, but beyond or below that the laser may not be pointed at the target to get the best distance.

@juniorkolo1740

5 ай бұрын

@@KineticConsulting I've ordered a Vortex impact 4000 and this video helps me understand a lot. The parallel option means that the distance between the laser line and the line of sight must be small for best accuracy on small targets. The convergence option is excellent, but is most accurate at zero distance, but beyond or below that the laser may not be pointed at the target to get the best distance.

At what range does a laser lose its advantage?

My train of thought was parallel to your thinking but then your dissertation began to show signs of converging at a length of almost a 30 minutes so I started to diverge away from the whole damn presentation and fell asleep on my tripod. You are too windy bro! Learn how to dial in on your message without the soliloquy please. On another note, if I need to kick a two point conversion at 50 yards can it be done with one football or do I need to kick five rounds. If so, do I get to use all my own footballs or should I allow the opposing team to supply a couple balls and should I have the place holder use a parallel hold and does it matter which way he turns the threads?

Mission dictates everything. If you’re clearing houses or generally focusing on close range engagements, your approach to zeroing should differ from someone expecting medium to long range threats (200m and beyond). Unfortunately most US military units will be forced to conduct a “simulated “ zero at 25m due to time and range constraints.

@johngarlick7115

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Schmidt most “well trained” units aren’t using a ir laser for room clearing most train for squaring up to target and holding level at chest height and letting a couple rip, due to the fact that in close quarters gunning it’s not about who’s more accurate but who gets the first rounds off, also if you do what I mentioned above and train for it you can be pretty precise just off muscle memory, and faster than trying to find those stupid ir lasers that are going flash out your nods in a small room anyway

@munnyshot8301

4 жыл бұрын

@@johngarlick7115 I was originally taught to point with your support thumb to make fast hits within 50 meters. Now using your CCO is what is required, but your situation will dictate your course of action.

@smoovedave

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngarlick7115 that’s a slippery slope most well trained units are prepared for this kinda of thing and they still use there IR lasers most of the time from rangers to green berets they try to prepare for it what you mentioned is a method but it’s not used if it doesn’t have to be

@johngarlick7115

2 жыл бұрын

@@smoovedave well as person that did 10 years in one of those operational units you mentioned I can tell you we trained without lasers 2 reasons making that so first as I mentioned it is an added step in getting a shot off and those that are last are dead in close quarters 2. We are not the only people with night vision which with that laser on makes you a target and takes away any element of surprise you had as it’s like a giant homing beacon hence why most unit stopped wearing ir strobes and turning them on unless needing to be located the main thing we used the ir lasers for is for signaling either lassoing trans in or signaling other elements when we had to keep frequencies clear

@smoovedave

2 жыл бұрын

@@johngarlick7115 I’ll tell you by having experience just like yours that they are still alive and well for usage outside of lassoing in we have definitely still used them for other things but I agree with most of what you have said through “lost property books” and “shipment doors” being left open our usual adversaries have had night vision for a while now and strobes and other things have been either down played or just not used at all anymore but for regular ops they are still used (10th)

The dislike ratio be strong on this one.

40 dudes in 3 hrs is 4.5 min per dude.

Why not use a converging zero, but cant your rifle so the laser is at 12 o’clock. That way your laser zero is the same or similar to like a regular battle zero

@KineticConsulting

7 ай бұрын

That's totally usable. Just remember that canting has a limit.

@bishopm4401

7 ай бұрын

@@KineticConsulting got it, no gangster shooting with the laser 👍🏼

@KineticConsulting

7 ай бұрын

@@bishopm4401 I would say it's limited, not a no go

A laser is a sight, zero your laser the same way you zero a sight. I prefer a 200 yard zero because I have a 12 o'clock mount. The reason why 1000 doesn't work is because you are at 67 inch high at 100.

@josephcoates879

2 жыл бұрын

no, no its not.

@cpage305

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephcoates879 please explain how? The poa on an optical sight is fixed point that does not drop with gravity or that gets blown by wind. How is this different than a laser?

Should have been 15 minutes

If you don't like "good enough"; how bout "Afghan good enough"???? Lol

The big time "operator" intro is not needed or are you trying to impress your viewers?