KHTML, the original KDE web browser, was actually forked by Apple to create webkit. Gnome web uses webkit as a base. Google eventually forked webkit. Rewrote the js engine and created chromium and chrome. And now KDE has essentially forked chromium to create Falken

@SonicBoone56

4 ай бұрын

Lmfao

@actuallyasriel

4 ай бұрын

The circle of stupidity is complete.

@StarterX4

4 ай бұрын

Not really. Falkon is just a front-end for QtWebEngine, which is just a framework for Blink engine. But yeah, there's still [almost] the same Blink as in Chromium. Gnome Web uses WebKitGTK. As if they would switch to Blink (though there's no real GTK framework for Blink except the WebKitGTK?), that browser would not be as tragic as Internet Explorer. KHTML development stopped like ten years ago. Probably devs assumed that if there's a much better Blink engine, there's no point pushing into the aging KHTML, and instead focus on other parts of KDE.

@avcat1209

4 ай бұрын

Truly all these forkers should just quit forking around. The original mother forker who first decided to fork with things should have been the only instance of this forkery. These dang forkers are eventually going to fork things up so bad. Everything will be forked up beyond all recognition. At that point we will all pretty much be horse forked. 🤣

@adwaitagnome

4 ай бұрын

You can still use KHTML in modern versions of Konqueror, just beware that you won't come KDE 6. It also won't be a very usable experience.

It's a shame HaikuOS couldn't embrace ARM faster. It would have taken those Raspberry Pi boards by storm.

@user-lx2ep9hd4k

4 ай бұрын

I'm sure that will eventually improve, given the small team, Haiku is pretty much in it's early stages of development, I know it's been out for years but keep in mind they have only one full time contractor

@mrhaftbar

4 ай бұрын

I have to be blunt. Haiku is niche and will stay niche. And I say this as someone who ran BeOS on Intel from 4.5 to the leaked dan0 back in the day and enjoyed every minute of it.

@user-lx2ep9hd4k

4 ай бұрын

@@mrhaftbar I love some of the features Haiku has. I would really enjoy the ability to stack every kind of app into one window, or the ability of every app being a widget for desktop like those clones. Or the haiku port software which makes some ports as simple as just writing a recipe file

@grexe

4 ай бұрын

@mrhaftbar BeOS R4 developer here (built my first PC to be BeOS compatible when it came out for Intel:) that's not necessarily a bad thing, and a niche can find its crowd and grow from there, just like Linux in early days. Haiku (and BeOS) has some unique advantages through its modular design (from independent single-purpose OS services all the way up to the UI), native metadata support with consistent user-exposed support of filesystem attributes and queries, a data-centric design (very different from app-centric approach in other OS's), and its fresh take on the UI, not to mention a well designed API with native messaging for inter-application communication and automation. Not to mention efficient resource handling, multi-threading and overall snappiness.

@godnyx117

4 ай бұрын

​@@mrhaftbar Hope it stays a "niche" and for elitists! Linux has to much drama and so much wasted time trying to support so many packages and ecosystems! As a developer, Haiku seems to be very cool!

The irony of KDE integrating a browser that's a Blink fork after it forked from Webkit/KHTML to begin with shouldn't really be lost on anyone

@uzernaim1648

4 ай бұрын

what does all this mean lmao

@serqetry

4 ай бұрын

It's awful that they would do that. You can never fully de-google the google stench off of something chromium.

@DonVintaggio

4 ай бұрын

the worst irony: haiku a supposedly modern os based on BeOs legendary multimedia capabilities, after 20+ years IN ETERNAL BETA CAN'T EVEN PLAY KZread VIDEOS AND THEY CALL ITS NATIVE BROWSER POSITIVE.

@carlwheezer1544

4 ай бұрын

this is probably why i will never switch to linux, this is all gobbledygook to me

@PineappleForFun

4 ай бұрын

​@@uzernaim1648 KDE had an html rendering engine called khtml, used in their file manager and web browser, konqueror. Apple forked it to make WebKit. Most of OS X userland is under a BSD license where the original source code is open but you can keep your fork closed source. Khtml was GPL though, so all derivatives must also be open source. This led to Google and everyone else taking it and basing their browsers on it too. Chrome? WebKit. Edge? WebKit. Everything but Firefox basically.

So you can use it as a daily driver if your expectations from a daily driver is to illuminate your room with a screen.

@AIC_onyt

10 күн бұрын

yeah. same goes for the BSDs

@EXP_Jenova

Күн бұрын

@@AIC_onytI just switched to BSD recently and am really confused by these comments. I’m running my games just fine, and if I *really* need a certain Linux program, I can just run it with FreeBSDs built in Linux compatibility layer.

It really is kind of crazy (for someone who grew up in the 8-bit and transition era where PCs finally became "good" for games), that the benchmark for a daily driver is having a reasonably modern, compatible browser. I would say that my criteria for a true daily driver is : both browser and compatible office software (libreoffice, of course available on Haiku). But.. with a fully up-to-date browser, you could skip libreoffice and use google docs. Thus, the browser is really the critical thing which opens a lot of doors these days.

@HappyTribble

4 ай бұрын

The Interwebs became the "killer app" that every OS (back then) was hoping to find to get the mass migration to their platform. Gaming aside, the OS is almost unimportant, so long as it can browse properly.

@connemignonne

3 ай бұрын

if I did some kind of work that required (libre-)office on my daily driver I would quit my job before getting a different daily driver 😂

I like the aesthetics of Haiku, reminds me of interfaces from some 90s games. For example, the dialog @ 5:09 is just so neatly laid out, no weird padding or clashing fonts, perfectly matching icons and tasteful use of gradients.

@bluetoothspeakergaming

3 ай бұрын

Probably one of the cleanest looking operating systems out there imo

I've been playing with Haiku for many years now and the main thing that always held it back is the web browser situation. I hope this is the fix we need to make this OS usable in the modern era.

Aw, shucks, thanks for the shoutout! And in a video about one of my favorite obscure OSes (both in vintage and modern form).

It was such a good OS, fitting a complete graphical OS on a single 1.44 MB floppy! That was the coolest thing ever. QNX and BeOS are my secret heroes.

@stanb1455

3 ай бұрын

why mention QNX in a video about Haiku of all things?

@bluetoothspeakergaming

3 ай бұрын

​@@stanb1455Bc those two operating systems were very similar to each other in a way

@Tall_Order

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I know, that's what I missed about early versions of Mac System pre-7. All you needed was a System folder, with a finder and system icon inside it, and your floppy would boot into a desktop. It was a good time period.

Haiku is an amazing Porject, I hope they can maybe finally get 2D and 3D acceleration working this year.

@angelmesa9530

4 ай бұрын

🤞🏼I hope so too.

@DanielAnderssson

Ай бұрын

lol

@user-el4su7tl6f

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Haiku is a suitable option for very old systems, where even lightweight Linux distributions cannot work well enough. If the video card is so old that there is no chance of using 3D acceleration anyway - at least everything else in Haiku can run a little faster than on other systems. (But if you want the fastest way to do nothing useful, definitely try Kolibri OS.) On all other systems, Linux will obviously be a better choice due to compatibility.

@HotChocolate-cu7ei

4 ай бұрын

Kolibri just was an experiment, it wasn't intended for regular usage

@pankoza2

4 ай бұрын

Ah yes KolibriOS I remember putting it on a USB and booting it on my old Acer laptop back in like 2017

@sovo1212

4 ай бұрын

Haiku reminds me a lot of Puppy Linux.

@myhandleiswhat

4 ай бұрын

I installed a lighter Linux distro or two on my oldest laptop which is over 15 years old at this point. It runs fine considering its rather light power performance. Dual Core core intel processor and 6 gigs of RAM and like 512 mb graphics card. The only real issue I have using most Linux distros or otherwise is the computer won't wake from sleep properly, but even Windows 7, the version that shipped with the laptop struggled to wake. A version of Arch worked perfectly but I wasn't using it often enough to keep it up to date so... yeah...

@kote315

4 ай бұрын

@@myhandleiswhat When I talk about old computers, I usually mean something single-core with less than 1 GB of RAM and an AGP video card for which drivers no longer have full support (eg.Radeon 7200 or GeForce FX 5200...)

I love that you're advocating for this. I'm pretty stuck in with linux just because i like esoteric free software, but I'm down to try haiku again. I'll give it a spin.

@Ptero4

4 ай бұрын

I'm the same. Right now the OS that covers the most of what I want is Linux. There is no other OS that gets close AND NO OS THAT COVERS ALL.

@user-qx3we1mk5m

3 ай бұрын

how was it???

@neonvortex

2 күн бұрын

I really really wanna try out haiku but my touchpad uses i2c and theres no working driver for that in haiku yet :(

I really like seeing your Haiku/BeOS videos, I have been playing around with it for a year or so now, and it seems to be getting more and more features. Looking forward to seeing more vids from you on it

Given standard c/c++ libraries most other software should be compilable on it. Needs for daily driving: Compiler/dev libraries and interpreters for common langauges IDE/editor Modern browser Basic utils like ssh, git, gnu toolchain, curl/wget Virtualization support

@Lampe2020

4 ай бұрын

And possibly also support for getting assigned a different root location (like Linux and Window$ seem to have), so it can be installed from a Ventoy stick.

@yomurita

4 ай бұрын

Haiku has ssh, gcc, kate (editor, kinda ide), curl and wget though.

@FlyboyHelosim

4 ай бұрын

@@Lampe2020 It can be installed from a Ventoy stick.

@Lampe2020

4 ай бұрын

​@@FlyboyHelosim For me it fails with a kernel error, stating it has no root. And on ventoy's forums they said that Haiku doesn't support booting from Ventoy as Ventoy cannot tell the kernel where to look for the root.

@FlyboyHelosim

4 ай бұрын

@@Lampe2020 Well all I know is that I've got it on a Ventoy USB stick and it's worked for me.

I don't think anyone who used BeOS back in the day can fail to still be enamoured with it. It was so damned good. Been following Haiku since Open BeOS was first announced and it's so, so, sooo close now to doing everything I need.

Haiku os is criminally underrated

Haiku’s XServer emulation is arguably more elegant and streamlined than Linux’s XWayland to get older X11 based apps to run on modern display managers.

@Wingnut353

3 ай бұрын

It's easy to be "elegant" when you don't support hardware acceleration at all...

@Pocket-Calculator

2 ай бұрын

Being better than Wayland is a really, really, REALLY low bar.

Love your videos, especially the “cable management” today, very funny. Was thinking to check if ioquake3 would run on Haiku until you mentioned the lack of hardware acceleration. Hopefully we can still get it working.

6:17 "Meet gorgeous Latina women". This is the state of yt ads lol.

@ZERARCHIVE2023

4 ай бұрын

horrific

@alvarohigino

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, and Facebook is even worst, they recommended me black magic.

Awesome shout out for Userlandia, seconding that channel, his stuff is great. Also, I think you *finally* convinced me to spin up Haiku on a test machine.

BeOS always had such fast install times, thanks for brining back that memory for me. I too have loved BeOS since the 90's. I bought every version right from them. I was really rooting for them! When the whole PalmOS thing went down, I was excited for a BeOS tablet. great video, I'm going to give it a go.

DUDE! I was quite literally thinking about this last night as I set up a new machine for occasional remote use. I too loved BeOS and thought to myself 'I wonder if I could just run Haiku on this instead of another boring Linux install'. I think you just convinced me to give it a go. :)

All that and it's only in Beta. I could easily use it as a daily myself. Kudos to all the volunteer programmers and enthusiasts who have worked so hard for so long on this effort. I can't wait for R1 to come out! Note the 32 bit version is the BeOS compatible version - so far. I run the 64 bit version and enjoy it!

@awa0927

4 ай бұрын

Could you daily drive Haiku if you actually had to run programs like Zoom, Steam, or Netflix?

@solowkaver3592

4 ай бұрын

Probably not but I don't use those applications regardless. Many people do and for them just keep using Windows or Linux.@@awa0927

@nukelet

3 ай бұрын

​@@awa0927absolutely not, especially Steam (which requires a LOT of linux-specific hacks to work)

You've actually been convincing me to try Haiku for day to day work on a few of my spare computers.

This is awesome. I hope Haiku improves even more in next years! I am happy they've reached min. found in 2023 in order to keep the project going on! I've tried to install it in my old MacBook Pro 2009, but I couldn't make work properly (driver issues). But I hope to grab some machine where I can have some fun with Haiku! By now I have it virtualized... :) Great video mate!

Love the video, very interesting stuff. I remember seeing Be OS running on a PPC system back in the day when I was using an Amiga 3000. It was very impressive. I had never seen that browser before so I installed it on my Raspberry Pi 4 and tried youtube out. The page was pretty slow but it worked well, running a 1080p video it dropped about 40 frames in 10 minutes. Not as good as Chromium but the foundation has really optimized Chromium on the Pi.

Tested it recently, was really impressed. It is getting to that "usable in a pinch" stage for some.

From pottervill michigan man just to say i love your channel ❤

I’m actually of the opinion that haiku is the missing piece in the question of what is needed to create a new alternative mobile OS for tablets and smartphones. Obviously the GUI wouldn’t be suitable, but because it’s a project that is separate to the windows/nix space it could be a great opportunity to build a lean and sturdy system. Considering how the Steam Deck has recently proven how Linux can quickly become mainstream so long as the GUI and User Experience is solid and there are plenty of apps, it proves that alternative systems have a place in the market.

Word. I've been watching your old videos from like two years ago while playing Star Citizen.

BeOS ran great on my K6 system back in the day. It took me several years to find a dual CPU box to really have some fun. I still have the GoBE discs around the house somewhere.

@grexe

4 ай бұрын

I had a similar setup:-) GoBe Productive was awesome back then, running circles around other office suites with fast and interactive zooming and instant feedback on any change to the document, ditching then mainstream *modal* "OK/Apply/Cancel" dialogs but instead providing real-time feedback on any user input! That was the mantra of BeOS and it felt like an OS from the future (which it was in a way).

@ReverendJasper

4 ай бұрын

@@grexe it was so nice to have a machine at 300MHz that outperformed the 800MHz NT box at work. It was heavenly to have a Dell Precision 410 on dual P3-500s to play with, sadly only after Be's demise.

@grexe

4 ай бұрын

@@ReverendJasper yeah, it booted in 8s even on a rotating hard drive back then🤩 and you couldn't kill its filesystem, unlike with all other OS's at that time...

Enjoyed the video. Learn something new everyday. I appreciated the lore. I probably won’t give this a shot but I enjoyed listening to your energy and passion surrounding it. Thanks for letting me experience it without installing. Oh and that install was crazy fast. Dangit now I want to see if it installs that fast

I'd tried the current Beta on a couple of laptops, but found the web browser performance in YT disappointing. So thanks for showing Falkon, I've just tried it and it's a big improvement. I did have to select 360p quality, but apart from 'shimmering' during horizontal pans, it was perfectly watchable.

My favourite old operating system! BeOS was awesome at the time, but just fizzled out. Great to hear that Haiku has not only kept it alive, but is also helping it to thrive. Thanks for this heads-up and demonstration. 🙂👍

The RX580 is absolutely amazing. Super cheap used, fast enough to run basically anything to be perfectly playable, and excellent driver support.

This was not quite what I expected, it's pretty cool though! Looks like Haiku has come a long way! 😁

I was a big fan of both BeOS and Haiku but it is difficult to have as a daily driver. This is progress, and it's still super cute ^_^ Thanks for posting this update.

Great video. Haiku really deserves more videos

Got Haiku ready for USB.Gonna try out ASAP. SUBED !

"Cable Management" nicely done!

I had no idea Haiku existed, despite being a BeOS fan since the announcement of the first BeBox. Thanks for the clue!!

It's a rally cool video, tks so much. Haiku is an awesome operating system.

Just finished installing haiku on an old msi wind u100 netbook with 2gb of ram. It’s running great, looking forward to exploring more !

i was JUST about to say "if only the gpu i have had support for Haiku" and you pulled out the exact same one (RX580)

@ibobeko4309

4 ай бұрын

😂

Thanks action retro you get my respect for reviewing haiku os

Jean-Louis Gassey-yay? It's Gass-ay

"This was once my gaming PC" is the mantra of a million cursed frankenbuilds. My "once gaming PC" is now my NAS and Plex server running Debian :-D

@laser31415

3 ай бұрын

YUP, my OGM of 1997 became a NAS till it was too slow even for that.

3:55 my kind of cable management

I heard about Haiku a lot, but I always felt like it's a niche, experimental OS that can't be used for daily driving. I had no idea that so many things work flawlessly on it! Thinking about giving it a try myself, didn't knew that another modern and usable desktop OS apart from Windows, MacOS, Linux and FreeBSD does exist and is that cool

Haiku doesn't even have 2D acceleration by video-card. So single CPU power is crucial. Recent CPUs will handle KZread and other staff much better, than 10-years old one.

I saw that the other day! And yes, that's an amazing machine!

I was just doing some serious mucking out at my parents house and found the first computer that I built from parts. I apparently mothballed it decades ago but I don't remember anything being wrong with it. It's an ASUS P5A-B with an AMD K6-2 550 on it. I've been debating with myself over what to do with it. It did run BeOS once and it ran well, but I'm a Linux guy now. That said, I haven't used a 32 bit processor in a long time. Apparently there's a 32 bit debian distribution. Has anyone used it? How does it compare to 32 bit Haiku? I don't really expect much from this computer given the torture I put it through and what a weird board it is, but I think it would be fun to get something running on it.

How funny! watched that ibm tower video this friday.

Oh gosh you're almost at 100K subscribers I subscribed when you were at 40K... which wasn't that long ago lol

this video featured on Hackaday - nice!!

Once Haiku gets better graphics card support, it's gonna be a killer. That seems to be the big performance hurdle these days that every OS (besides Windows, of course, because contracts and money, thanks Michaelsoft) struggles to jump over.

@boingaon

4 ай бұрын

Is performance really a problem today given how powerful computers are? I use Windows and it never really stalls or freezes.

@54nnu

3 ай бұрын

you seen the shit starfield and cities skylines 2 are demanding for? my ass gotta milk for everything out of my 2060.@@boingaon

@fordesponja

3 ай бұрын

@@boingaon It's just projection on their part. I understand the excitement of seeing something you loved 30 years ago going again, but the video and the comments are just delusional. Neither modern Windows is a bad operating system despite its problems with bloatware and data collection nor this OS is a daily driver of absolutely anything modern, and not even old because that Diablo 2 run like my old Pentum 166mhz without 3D acceleration and he didn't even tried to flinch the mouse when Minecraft was loaded because probably the VM it's running on is also on very preliminary state to even draw enough frames on. I just can't with this.

@alvarohigino

10 күн бұрын

​@@fordesponjaModern Windows OS is terrible.

@fordesponja

10 күн бұрын

@@alvarohigino Tell me you didn't live the Win32 era without telling. Windows has been ok for the most part since 7. I know in the power user echochamber is in fashion to signal a hate boner for Windows, but for regular people is a serviceable OS.

Well yes it is and love it. Having worked at Apple back in the day with wife working for Palm I remember it all to well.

In the 90s, at my first job out of college we had a loaner Be Box for some contract work. Someone showed me two videos running simultaneously and my head exploded.

I remember in the 90s wanting to see BeOS as the next Mac OS. I never used it at the time, but it had a lot of promise for something tailored to solving the classic Mac issues (those constant crashes!) while being still modern. Apple, however, would have probably transmogrified it into that beastly looking Aqua UI anyway. I am a happy KDE user and also lean on some creature comforts that I don't see yet in Haiku (that could be my fault though) but if there was one day where this could be an option, I would take it. I guess if I am creative enough, I could probably use X to run my applications in it, if I so cared to do so (so, Firefox, my Emacs configured with external programs I constantly use and dark theming this.)

I need to try it again. With graphics acceleration Haiku will be lightning fast. Glad the team is working on it.

I have one machine running Haiku, but I seldom use it now. I tried compiling modern Firefox on it but failed miserably. Good to know that there is a proper browser for it now. Definitely going to check it out tomorrow.

@HotChocolate-cu7ei

4 ай бұрын

It's rather a Standalone OS than POSIX-complaint system, nevertheless it was a good attempt

@pvc988

3 ай бұрын

Took me couple of days, but I tried and I like it. It runs great not just on Haiku but on Linux as well. The only big downside is that neither FF nor Chromium extensions may be used and native extension gallery is rather empty. It has an adblock but it's not good enough. Otherwise, great browser!

As all alternative OS'es: Fun to play with. And that's all. Great video though, again :D.

Fun fact: You can successfully Daily Drive WinXP, Win98se, and commandline-only Linux (no gui/X). XP has some (involved) stuff you can do to it to make it safe and reasonably modern. 98se will need a second machine to run a web proxie service that converts modern web pages into images for an old browser to render...it's pretty neat. Linux CLI is...very functional. That said...please don't daily drive these things. Leave the old windows to the retro screen and the CLI-Only to the servers. (No really, these things are GREAT at doing thoes things!).

@starfoxdelta

3 ай бұрын

This all sounds neat

I'm super impressed by your demo of Haiku. I should really check it out - is there Libreoffice? Is there a video editor and audio editor (like Audacity?) A PDF reader? VLC? I honestly think with those things I could use it as my daily driver at home.

@user-is3on1gl8n

4 ай бұрын

Libre office has been available on Haiku since like 2018 and works fine. Audacity has been ported recently, VLC is there too. For PDF you can pick either the native BePDF or a ported KDE app

@ne0ne0

5 күн бұрын

I read even Blender runs in Haiku.

This brings back fond memories 🥺

'...as in tradition' omg that cracked me up

Haiku is a great project that needs more developpers and specific Apps, Great video, I 'll give it a try on an old computer.

I was all over BeOS in the early 90's and was even trying to run it on my first PC. A custom build with a Celeron 300A with a NVidia Riva TnT GPU :) Coming from an Amiga background. BeOS was the only thing around at that time that felt like it had at least some of the Amiga spirit. Ran super quick on my hardware and had a lot of useful and fun features! I happen to have an old Dell Optiplex 755 not being used for anything and this is actually perfect for running on it!

Wow is that grub rescue> shirt triggering. I had a little panic when I saw it before convincing myself I hadn't broken anything this time and it's okay.

You piqued my interest in haiku! I installed it on a retro laptop (ibm T42p) and it runs ok, but the pentium m is not optimal because it can't control the speed of the processor. It is perhaps a bit too ancient.

@ActionRetro

4 ай бұрын

I just love that it can bring a usable experience to machines like that

@MishraArtificer

3 ай бұрын

I've been trying to get PuppyLinux to run on an even older Thinkpad R40 and T41...gotten everything working except GPU drivers. It's trying to CPU-render everything. It's...choppy.

BeOS was an incredibly good technical tour-de-force at the time. I saw the last presentation of it on the last day of the MacWorld Expo where they premiered it and it blew me away in my 20s.

"Special thanks to Sid Hoffman, Sid Frenchman..."

In all fairness, youtube is a google product (nowadays) so no surprise that it would run better on a Chromium backend. Plus, you got no graphics acceleration slowing you down. As for the rest, most people nowadays just test against Chrome and call it a day. When I was doing webdev in 2018ish, I was the only one in my team who bothered to test on Firefox and who flagged bugs which weren't exposed on Chrome. I doubt things have improved ever since.

@Viking2dk

Ай бұрын

It's kinda ridiculous. Google are trying to set their own web standards regarding rendering, and are forcing them onto people by implementing them on their sites (KZread for example). Try running KZread through Pale Moon (a browser that follows the committee only, and not Google), it runs like shit, because KZread is built like shit.

Very Cool Video. As always. Let's see how it goes on one of my thinkpad. Will keep you updated. Thumbs Up and Greetings from the other side of the world. Greetings from Germany

Would love to see it going on an Intel MacBook or some other semi modern laptop.

Yep .... Be was one of my favorite OSs ... next to OS/2 Warp. Had every version. Then again, I had every version of DOS, OS/2, Be, Windows and now I'm linux.

I found out about BeOS then Haiku in the mid 00s through being a fan of Neal Stephenson's novels then reading interviews. He mentioned BeOS being the fully capable batmobile of OSes. That instanty intrigued me! Been a fan since then. Haiku for me is an avant garde art piece that won't get you get immediately but it slowly seeps in your brain then it clicks! A a-ha moment. I can't unfortunately run Haiku on my main workstation because music/audio stuff needs Windows or MacOS but its fun to play around with for sure

@tkenben

4 ай бұрын

Perhaps you speak of his essay, "In the Beginning was the Command Line". If not, you probably would like it because I believe that's where he does the analogy of different operating systems to vehicles. IIRC, linux was a military tank.

@bf0189

4 ай бұрын

@@tkenben yup that's exactly where I heard the phrase from!

Some months ago I tried to use Haiku on a Thinkpad X230. Stop using it because watching youtube videos was a pain the behind slow, but I haven't heard of Falkon. Might just try reinstalling Haiku OS. Thanks!

Nice video !! Question : it's possible install BeOs on Dec Alpha 500 ?

I love those Apple Cinema displays as well. I have three of them that I have attached to older Mac Pros.

Unbelievable cable management, it's like fine art

all you need to consider it a daily driver... a modern web browser and Java minecraft. beautiful.

Good to see alternative OSes that are not Unix-like :) I never liked how Unix works and contribute to the ReactOS project for this reason.

@bobweiram6321

4 ай бұрын

I'm going to throw up if I hear about another "cool" UNIX distro. It's time we move beyond UNIX.

@kennygee2715

4 ай бұрын

I would love to see alternatives to MacOS and Windows that are not Linux. in the 80s and 90s we had a lot of choices: BeOS, Geos, OS/2, Atari, Amiga and probably others I'm not thinking of. Today we have MS, Apple, Google and 1,000 linux distros and they're all crap @@bobweiram6321

@xerzy

4 ай бұрын

I think there's a lot of good in the UNIX philosophy. Particularly around the concepts of everything-is-a-file and pipes, its initial implementation back in the 70s was brilliant. But as things evolved and became more complex (GUIs! Multimedia! Encryption! More chips than one CPU! Non-Von Neumann architectures! Random people contributing software! Commercial apps and online downloads!), it just fell apart quite hard. Others like Plan 9 tried to improve on it but failed, too. I personally don't think Haiku is it. It's a monolithic system with an OOP API that has aged quite a bit. That said, it's obviously better than the mainstream offerings, with stuff like BFS and translators simply being plain genius, *especially* for the 90s. I was long ago inspired by BeOS/Haiku to make my own thing, and I hope others are too.

@GoogleDoesEvil

4 ай бұрын

@@xerzy I think ReactOS has potential, despite Windows' flaws these days the NT Kernel itself is very well designed. Windows' big problem is Microsoft keeps bolting on bloat, removing customization options, and the fact that it's closed source in an era where it's difficult to trust big corpos. Progress on ReactOS has picked up a lot since we dropped XP compiler support which drove away a lot of people demanding we stick to being just a Windows XP clone. Now we're adding Windows 7+ program and driver support.

@xerzy

4 ай бұрын

@@GoogleDoesEvil Nah, ReactOS is copying Windows verbatim, no room for a fancy OS with things like proper object capabilities or resilience via 100% userspace drivers and services, let alone for a clean codebase with no weird hacks. It's not VAX/VMS anymore, and VAX/VMS has long lost its recognition as state-of-the-art anyway. I do look forward to it, don't get me wrong, but Microsoft itself would have redone NT from scratch if they could prioritize architectural design - their work on kernels like Singularity and Barrelfish proves it.

Cna you make a video on how to install QEMU and get classic running on modern hardware? i really want to play a game that I got a kick out of when i was a kid called xGate 1.3

Action Retro and Haiku, i couldnt hit that button fast enough.

That Boxedwine UI thingy sounds just nuts. A Linux VM running on (this modern) BeOs (incarnation) configured specifically to run Windows software in turn.

Well, time to try haiku again.

That’s all I needed to hear. Been waiting for this to work well. Its always been hardware disagreements for me, mostly screen glitches.

Interesting, wonder if I can get it running on the POS once I get it willing to boot

Love a good BeOS video 💜

Love that Grub Rescue shirt!

Excellent Review!!! One question What about 2D games in Haiku?

You probably noticed it but in case you haven't, either your table or your camera slightly wobbles every now and then (seems like when you're using the mouse but might be wrong). Great content as always though. I always wanted to try Haiku so might give it a go now.

10:06 most likely it's using WebAssembly, which is actually compiled code. It's way faster than javascript itself You could compile even c++ code to webassembly and run it in the browser C:

@kaitlyn__L

4 ай бұрын

This needs to be more common, JS has gotten ridiculous in terms of the CPU it demands

@rhone733

4 ай бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L Incorrect. Web-based programs need to become less common.

@kaitlyn__L

4 ай бұрын

@@rhone733 anything to get JS dethroned. But at this point web-apps are also outside of the browser (see Electron) so if we can make them use an order of magnitude less power I’ll take it

BeOS was well respected for a lot of reasons. In particular, its file system was renowned for its speed and reliability.

That grub rescue t-shirt brings me back nightmares

This is really awesome! Really, pretty much all I was still needing to be able to use Haiku as a daily driver for real was a browser that played nice with NextCloud and this is it! At least for hobby and personal stuff now Haiku has all the software I needed.

Haiku still plugging away at what they're doing is pretty nice. If 32 bit support gets deprecated in Linux, at least there will be Haiku.

I'm excited to see the Cinema Display in action. I work in IT and use three of them all day, every day. 2 23" models and 1 20". They really are beautiful and I love the image they produce, even if they are ridiculously inefficient compared to modern displays in using CFL backlighting...

@MyBlogsTV

4 ай бұрын

it's a shame the power supplies can be a lil bit flakey

@mediocrefunkybeat

4 ай бұрын

@@MyBlogsTV I've found it's usually the voltage regulation in them that goes. One I had only worked if I had the screen on half brightness or less but I've replaced it. You can make your own apparently.

Today I saw an anglepoise iMac which reminded me how much I liked that machine, and I wondered: would a restomod be possible, installing a single board computer into the base? And now I think how great it would be to run Haiku on it. But I am scared of hardware--would it be possible?