Whats surprising is that its from Dell of all company. Dell a company that goes out of there way to still sell pre-built computers with proprietary hardware inside even for the most basic of things

@heroninja1125

2 ай бұрын

They even scammed people not once but twice with the Alienware area51M. Touting it's upgradeability but never releasing components for upgrades and instead forcing people to buy a whole new laptop for the upgrades.

@GSBarlev

2 ай бұрын

Wasn't always this way. My Inspiron 6000 and 1011 were (and still are, I guess) incredibly repairable and upgradeable. Latitudes also have a reputation for still being serviceable. It just goes to show you: Stan the *product,* never the brand.

@DrewTNaylor

2 ай бұрын

@@heroninja1125It's upgradable, but not for the end user, only for Dell.

@jivewig

2 ай бұрын

Tbh that’s mostly because they want to make it cheap and efficient for them to make the pre-builts. Given that most Dell laptops come with standard Phillips head screws, no warranty void stickers and even labels to tell you which screw goes where, I don’t think they have evil intentions like Apple.

@isaachenrikson3197

2 ай бұрын

@@GSBarlev precisions are still extremely upgradeable but parts are super pricey

I trulyyyyy hope this takes off... Its so hard already to find laptops with 32gb, let alone the price gouging

@Gatorade69

2 ай бұрын

You will pay $800 for 32gb of memory and you will enjoy it ! -Tim Appleman

@sihamhamda47

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, even today there are still many premium class laptops which still caps the max memory to 16GB with no option to upgrade it yourself because it's soldered Sure most tech savvy enthusiast recommends everyone to "just buy a gaming laptop which has all the upgradability you need", but some users would not justify the extra weight they have to carry around and shorter battery life

@one_step_sideways

2 ай бұрын

ThinkPad T480 for $180-230 used can support up to 64GB RAM. Namely the models with vPro. Redmibook Pro 16 2024 comes with 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD as standard. Pricing starts from $835 in China, you can import it from there for around $200-300.

@jivewig

2 ай бұрын

What’s worse is lack of options. More RAM is usually reserved for more expensive CPU/GPU combos. Meaning a potential $40 RAM upgrade ends up becoming a $400 meaningless upgrade.

@one_step_sideways

2 ай бұрын

@@jivewig Just don't buy thin and light expensive gaming laptops witn soldered RAM. They're a meme.

this is a hell of a lot better than the way apple wants to go about it "soldered"

@gsm156

2 ай бұрын

That and how 8gb is equivalent to 16gb

@andyH_England

2 ай бұрын

Apple went soldered for faster and less latency years ago. CAMM2 does not even exist as a product you can buy yet!

@smokeduv

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t mind about soldered RAM if the pricing wasn’t so offensive, because the soldered RAM in Apple silicon means a much better memory with less latency. Soldered SSDs on the other hand…

@ZaHandle

2 ай бұрын

not even soldered now, it’s just straight up on the chip so it’s completely unupgradable

@mehmetmetinbaki

2 ай бұрын

Close but RAM on modern Apple systems are not soldered. They are embeded in the same chip (SOC) that contains both CPU and GPU. I may not like it but this approach results in higher memory bandwith and lower latency, even CAMM2 modules have no hope of cathing up.

I always buy laptops that have replaceable ram. It's a necessity for me as my needs change quite often among my devices. It helped me out just this year as I got into design classes that were more resource intense. Laptop already had a 6 core i7 but was being held back by 16GB of RAM. plopped in an extra 16GB stick and boom, problem solved. It absolutely has real world value and I'm glad that there are plenty of people out there that are actively working to keep the option alive.

@andyH_England

2 ай бұрын

You won't be able to do that with CAMM2. You must buy a 32GB LPCAMM2; your original 16GB version may become e-waste.

@TheVilivan

2 ай бұрын

​@@andyH_EnglandYes, but it's still way better than having to buy a whole new laptop just for the 32GB of RAM and the entire old laptop becoming e-waste.

@g00bergob94

2 ай бұрын

The best outcome of this really is just not having to pay a 100% upcharge for higher capacity ram when you can just install it yourself. It's ironic that Dell is the company introducing this standard when they're the ones who notoriously charge like 100 dollars for 8 gigs more ram.

@johernandez266

2 ай бұрын

@@g00bergob94 You forgot about Apple lol.

@hiko8822

2 ай бұрын

​@@johernandez266 Apple isn't relevant to inventing this.

The main issue here is that many laptop makers do not want people upgrading the RAM, thus even units without space constraints are also having soldered in RAM. They like being able to charge an extra $300 to go from 16GB to 32GB, rather than allowing them to buy a cheaper base model and then spending $90 for 32GB., and recovering some of the cost by reselling the old modules.

@portman8909

2 ай бұрын

But there isn't many. Most laptops even now do not use soldered RAM.

@jondonnelly4831

2 ай бұрын

If you have choice between a laptop with cam2 or not, you gonna choose cam2. This consumer choice will FORCE the rest of the manufacturers to comply or lose out.

If it's that good then I hope it takes off. Soldered RAM is a travesty. Really hard these days to find a cheap laptop that does not have soldered RAM.

@countfrackula6707

2 ай бұрын

Really? I've yet to encounter a PC with soldered on RAM that wasn't something shitty like a MS Surface or something.

@deadinside777

2 ай бұрын

@@countfrackula6707I did say cheap. In Latin American markets and similar, where the purchasing power is considerably less than in places like the U.S, most affordable and readily available devices are cheap Lenovos, HPs and Acers that often have soldered RAM modules and no extra SODIMM slots. But I have even seen more "premium" Asus and Dells with soldered RAM now.

@diegosoto8537

2 ай бұрын

And they often come with just freaking 8 GB of soldered RAM.

@andyH_England

2 ай бұрын

@@diegosoto8537 The new Core Ultra chips from Intel have to have soldered LPDDR5X RAM to be able to use that chip, and they all start at 16GB. I am not sure people do their research before posting.

@lasskinn474

2 ай бұрын

this is unlikely to affect soldered ram products at all. it's still easier, thinner and cheaper for the manufacturer to do it without the connector.

Anyone else notice the quick shirt change at 4:50.

@octaviusmorlock

2 ай бұрын

Yup.

@Jessev741

2 ай бұрын

Nope.

@Fizz-Pop

2 ай бұрын

I was too busy not noticing to notice.

@ffffff52

2 ай бұрын

probaly that is the reason for the reuplaod? I swear this video was already posted weeks ago

@jessicapigeau1798

2 ай бұрын

​@@ffffff52I only finished writing it last week.

I really do hope this takes off. This is revolutionary.

@hubertnnn

2 ай бұрын

It is not. It takes more space, not less, and limits you to a single RAM slot. Also laptops are already too thin to the point that they are unable to cool themselves on light load, not to mention heavy loading.

I only buy laptops with upgradable memory, i hate the smaller sizes that offer soldered ram/Emmc storage

I'm proud to work for Micron. Ahead of the game

Nice, makes our corporate lives easier. Soldered on ram fu** us hard with some machines bc dell changed it without notification in a generation stepp.

@countfrackula6707

2 ай бұрын

If you're buying machines with soldered on RAM, you're buying the wrong laptops.

@Agent66692

2 ай бұрын

@@countfrackula6707 say it to dell - we changed it back to sodimms after noticing it immediately

4:18 That was so satisfying to watch.

Honestly I wouldn't be so against soldered on memory if it wasn't for the fact of if there is soldered on memory, there is no SODIMM slots that can be used to expand the memory, and once detected, the soldered in RAM would act as a "limp mode" effectively in case the SODIMM fails for whatever reason. If they began doing that, I think more people would start to accept soldered on memory as a positive, not as a if it was the technology version of herpogonasyphaids.

@Dubfiance

2 ай бұрын

Well you say that until your soldered on memory gets messed up. Then your machine wont boot.

@calebpace8788

2 ай бұрын

@@Dubfiance it the soldered RAM failed, and the SODIMM modules failed, you probably have bigger issues going with the device. Also, if the soldered memory fails as a back-up, it would be just like if it didn't have it at all unless manufacturers went so proactively down the rabbit hole using hundreds of man hours to fuck it up. And everyone already knows don't trust acer already

@FluorescentGreen5

2 ай бұрын

already have a laptop like this, 4gb sodimm that's part of the motherboard with a sodimm slot above it. works without the removable sodimm and have a 16gb one installed for a total of 20gb

@FluorescentGreen5

2 ай бұрын

@@calebpace8788 my previous laptop with 2 slots and no soldered ram had a failed sodimm slot that would prevent post if it was populated, forcing me to run it on a single sodimm, so soldered memory failing in a way that stops the laptop from working even with the working removable module is plausible.

Let me know when it is downloadable

Thanks for the info, keep up the amazing work

WE NEED MORE OF THIS. Also, what about using these for VRAM?

@calebmenker988

2 ай бұрын

My understanding is that vram needs such high speeds that socketed memory just wouldn't work

@antonisautos8704

2 ай бұрын

​@calebmenker988 depending on how fast these modules can go it might work. No expectations though as v ram has never really been replaceable without a hot air station..

@uts_137

2 ай бұрын

nvidia alone will kill this idea entirely how would they be able to sell a 12GB version GPU will a significant price increase than the 8GB version if the user can just buy a off the shelf VRAM module

@Ebalosus

2 ай бұрын

@@calebmenker988true, but they would definitely help out iGPUs, where their main bottleneck (besides sharing cooling with the CPU) has been the comparatively slow memory speeds. Give them much faster memory, and they'll be a lot more competitive.

@mingyi456

2 ай бұрын

@@antonisautos8704 Are you suggesting that gpus should make use of slower memory just so that the memory can be upgraded? The performance hit will be insane, I imagine to the point that it becomes totally unviable (imagine what should have been 4060 performance, which is already very underwhelming, sold for the same 4060 price, but performing like a gtx 1650 instead)

Much better than soldered RAM. I hope it becomes ubiquitous!

@EddyOver9000

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s almost like connecting a daughter board

As primarily a Mac user the thumbnail got me curious if there was some new rumor about upgradable RAM for MacBooks. Now I’m sad… but I get with how Apple silicon works it may be tricky to make with upgradable RAM. However I’m sure Tim Apple COULD do it if they wanted to.

@tournamentmaster2000

2 ай бұрын

they could, and they did for a long time. They're probably not going to unless forced

@woalk

2 ай бұрын

@@tournamentmaster2000They would have to completely redesign their Apple Silicon CPU chips. I hope no laws are made for this for the single reason that it stops innovation - there are applications where the speed and latency of RAM built into the CPU are a genuine advantage and it would be a shame to lose the ability to manufacture them. People who don’t need that can just buy a different laptop, that has cheaper RAM than the firstborn’s-blood-amount of money that Apple is asking for RAM.

@yensteel

2 ай бұрын

Apple's pretty stubborn. I'm doubtful they would even investigate this.

@tournamentmaster2000

2 ай бұрын

@@yensteel It's because they know they dont have to on their consumer products. Up until 2008ish, you could change the RAM yourself. The battery too, until they decided to glue it to the top case.

@Winnetou17

2 ай бұрын

While CAMM2 is better than SoDIMM, the soldered memory is still better on space and power efficiency. But the M chips don't simply use soldered memory, they have the memory directly on chip, for even better power, space and performance. And probably cost too, at least for something comparable in performance. So you won't see something like CAMM2 on Apple laptops anytime soon, if ever again.

I really hope these catch on for handheld gaming PC devices like the MSI Claw, Lenovo Legion Go and the others. 16GB ain't gonna be enough in 2 years.

4:22 that screw hole got stripped in no time XD

Thank you for the lesson master Riley.

We need upgradeble cpus in latops again

@portman8909

2 ай бұрын

Why? Average lifecycle before a new board is needed isn't long and there won't be another AM4 platform.

@phillycheesetake

Ай бұрын

@@portman8909 Technology will improve over the sound of your pessimistic whining.

Well, that interesting news! Thanks for the video!

Space ISN'T a problem. The last two laptops I bought like the LG Gram are half empty inside!

@lasskinn474

2 ай бұрын

it is, for products they wont use the connector in anyway..

@petergplus6667

2 ай бұрын

@@lasskinn474 I don't understand your opinion, could you rephrase please?

@TabalugaDragon

2 ай бұрын

space is a problem for gaming laptops.

@lasskinn474

2 ай бұрын

@@petergplus6667 that space is an issue for ultralights, the manufacturers will not use this connectors in ultralights, soldering gets them many millimeters, is easier to route and and is cheaper. someone said that it's an issue for gaming laptops but for gaming laptops the height really isn't an issue since the 200watts+ cooling takes the height anyway. frankly I wouldn't mind mine being thicker and have a removable battery.

@chistinelane

2 ай бұрын

It's the headphone jack again

imho this is the PC industry finally figuring out that replaceable parts is cheaper for warranty issues than whole motherboards.

I think the biggest reason for higher power consumption for SODIMMs is they only use DDR and not LPDDR. If you soldered DDR it probably will use same amount of power as SODIMMs, maybe bit less because of shorter wiring.

@yohanmestre2203

14 күн бұрын

Maybe will still see power reduction‚ if the wires is shorter you also need less power for signal integrity.

@AndersHass

14 күн бұрын

@@yohanmestre2203 I believe signal integrity is why LPDDR were soldered instead of using SODIMMs. Where CAMM2 would improve there (but might still use more power than soldered).

Jostling severe enough to dislodge properly installed SoDIMMs would likely result in a damaged notebook.

Or just... make an ever so slightly thicker laptop which might allow you to actually include some other ports other than USB-C?

Usually I hate to see competing standards but this seem to be a good improvement in general. I hope soldered RAM becomes a thing of the past in laptops.

3:30 and now that's a great Alastor impression

Wow, I love this! Yesssss... YESSSSS!

i can't see that memory used on sbc's as it is bigger than a lot of sbc's. it looks bigger than the pi2/3/4/5 size, although I would love to be able to upgrade ram on an sbc. some way of stacking on top of the processor might work, then it is all cooled by the same heatsink.

3:27, oh oh, is Alastor the Radio Demon have hacked the video?

@Mario583a

2 ай бұрын

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@filenotfound__3871

2 ай бұрын

As soon as i saw it, I knew someone said it. ctrl+f -> "radio" -> and I found someone that said it.

To be friendly a device has to be repairable and upgrade-able. Dont fall for big tech companies propaganda

Cool, this must be supported. Though the best upgrade is a trade-in with a nice trade-in price coz' by the time you upgrade it, the newer tech will be bottlenecked by older bus. God bless.

Love this channel.. show some Amiga love and retro tech content

I upgraded my RAM from 16gb to 32gb and sold the 16gb on eBay for way more than it is worth and bought the 32gb on a good sale. :) Also got a over 200€ m.2 2TB SSD which is ultra fast like faster than most other m.2 ssds.

That's great 🙂

I mean, I have an Acer Aspire from 2012(?) And it's still allive and kicking with 2 spare Slots for SoDIMM yet to be filled, but the limitations of speed is a problem, and we're only accelerating on the slide of technology, so I can see how Dell invests in this Problem BEFORE it becomes a USP for some other company. In Tech Industry, if you cross the bridge once you get there, you are probably too late for profit.

No reason not to use this new cam2 for desktops as well. Shorter signal path is always good especially for APU that could do with faster memory.

one major advantage of upgradable ram you missed: you can buy buy low equipped laptops and immediately insert additional ram you bought yourself instead of increasing the margin of the laptop seller (apple before m1 was this way). and you can sell the ram separately later.

finally. the best of both worlds. looking forward to upgradable ultrabooks. now please someone do the same for gpus

@veda9151

2 ай бұрын

Since gddr is much higher in data rate, they need to sit very close to the die to get that speed and maintain signal integrity, look at some PCB shot of a those which use gddr6x and you know it is not going to work for current architectures. Maybe someday it can be done as a extra layer of cache?

I hope it work. Apple needs more competition in the RAM and CPU department

@andyH_England

2 ай бұрын

What has it got to do with Apple? It only has 9% share of the market and is a small player!

@TheCentristChad

2 ай бұрын

@@andyH_England I like Mac's. 9.8% market share makes it the 4th PC vendor in the world. More competition is always better :)

@Snogwritts

2 ай бұрын

@@andyH_EnglandApple may have a small market share but no company so far has been able to compete with apples power efficiency with their components. Their laptops last quite a while despite the workloads put into them. That’s what he meant probably

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@AzureBlade07

2 ай бұрын

i dont know if I should be impressed or concerned

I had no idea this tech was coming.

Hope they come up with something for the SSDs as well, pretty scary seeing those NAND chips permanently soldered down with the motherboard...

“Jostling your RAM” has a very different meaning if you are a laptop owner or a farmer.

wish we get replaceable gddr memory as well, they break easily and everyone has different vram needs for different situations

Imagine buying RAM when you can just download more

Bring back upgra... I just installed a 2nd 4Gb sodimm into Poptoons Skaff's laptop for his birthday, which is... TODAY, actually.

Riley has a hype that delivers anything better

Why are they acting like soldered ram is more reliable? And even if it was more reliable, when it breaks you can't easily replace it so it wouldn't be much of a plus

I know that height is an issue, as is heat, but is anyone considered putting a second set of connectors on the top of the processor and then connecting expandable ram directly to that from the outside?

Ha! Not to rub it in... But Riley said I'm the best viewer for staying all the way to the end... I always knew I was special to you guys...

Very interesting standard

I’m surprised it’s Dell, but I’m also glad it’s Dell? When Dell put actual effort into things they are fantastic (such as their monitors and office Computers- they function and do the job.) but the Consumer side needs help 😅

My first laptop had a _socketed_ CPU. I wish that could have a comeback.

I'm down to it.

If it is RAM that you seek, always go with atleast a xeon or epyc. Then only thing that can stop you is the RAM slots and your wallet.

I thought LMG switched from MHz to MT/s?

The way you explained it CAMM2 removes the option of upgrading existing RAM. You have to swap out the entire thing, while with SODIMM you can just insert a second one. Either I misunderstood or your title is misleading.

That screw not being countersunk makes my skin crawl. I no longer see any other part of the video.

4:31 but you need the screwdriver to disassemble the laptop to begin with.

Getting 6000MT/s CL36 So-dimm for my Celeron cpu

Sounds like an interesting upgrade for very weird videocards

Sadly we are moving to memory-in-package ARM SoC, so this is kinda a temp thing I think :(

1:25 The last time there was a June 24 that was a Wednesday was 2020.

Hopefully not a later RD Ram situation

LPCAMM on my Raspberry Pi 6 or 7 please.

My hope is it allows for devices like the steamdeck to have upgradable ram 2026 beyond etc..

@ 1:29 is that a sora video? The laptop doesn’t have a keyboard

Not so fast, CAMM2 may not be a replacement for SODIMM. Why? Because the standard defines CAMM2 modules with optional sizes: "Various form factors with X = 78 mm, Y = 29.6to 68 mm". That means that laptop manufacturers can lock bigger CAMM2 footprints for larger capacities behind pricier laptops with that RAM coming OOB. Basically we'll get SteamDeck's M.2 2230 pain in the butt, but now with RAM. Don't know about you but I was already fed up with searching for laptop specsheets in support sections to know if the laptop comes with 2x SODIMM slots or if it's half-soldered trash. Now they can just state the usual "up to N DDRX" which didin't mean anything before but now may or may not. Gosh, I wish the standard mandates the mention of CAMM2 supported sizes.

@valkaielod

2 ай бұрын

I like having 2 slots. I guess that also disappears with camm2.

Cool !

Hey!!! The difference between 64 and 32 bit busses are more than 4x! It's 2^32

nice 😁

Massive W for Tom.

Sound good to me. I'm in.

4:30 isn't it "bolted down"?

thats good

"Installs like a CPU" "Needs to be screwed in place" How is this an upgrade?

I gotta ask, what's with the odd stock video of man staring at rain in that intro there

@jasyamaha

2 ай бұрын

Maybe, it's been raining for a long time and now it's about to stop, happy days are coming.

Nice

Man I don't understand the pricing of laptop components. I have a dell Inspiron 3000 and for a 8gb ram off website says 70$ but normally it should br near 20$

Thats a lot less modular than I was expecting. When I hear the words Upgradable RAM I was thinking of a dim that had a chip replacement system built into it. then just buy better chips to slot into it later.

@sergeykish

2 ай бұрын

PCB is cheap

Standardization ❤

So what you lose in thickness, you gain by needing to use screws?

Upgradable RAM would be so good if everything could have it. A family member has a decent NAS, but its memory limit is really hampering it

70 bucks for a damn screwdriver? Was it designed by NASA ??😮

Boyfriends come with that "repairable" arrow sometimes too. "I can fix him"

Doubt this will have a major impact. Enterprise laptops like the HP Elite Book or most thick Thinkpads already come with SODIMM slots. Some workstation models have 4 slots 😮 such models from dell, hp and lenovo will probably adopt this new standard as it has less limitations and the price of the modules will definitely be higher than that of SODIMM, which are still ubiquitous. But no mainstream ultrabook will adopt this. How do I know? They make more money with soldered ram, and the consumer already accepted soldered ram without much fuss. Certainly apple will not be adopting this. They can’t even adopt a standard M.2 Slot in the mac mini and studio, those certainly are thick enough to accommodate a 1.2 mm thick NVMe ssd.

8 extra gigs will still cost $200 from Apple.

@tenand11

29 күн бұрын

बाप रे 😮

I would be surprised if companies adapted this ram.

Clearly this new ram is so good, it moves at *Schnell speeds*. I'll see myself out.

Another Ramtastic video

Fast forward to 2026 Apple baseline 11gb Apple upgrade to 18gb +$400

Oh Jessica wrote this. I am surprised compared to the others she has written.

I always told people that if they wanted to have a laptop that would withstand the test of time. Just buy a high-end laptop that can game. Most of the time they come with upgradable RAM and have some more bills and whistles

Anyone know why new videos from techquickie doesnt show on my youtube

Say it with me, "Sol - Derd" [phonetic]. Spelt 'Soldered'.

I like when my hardware is consumer friendly and I feel that has been taken away over the years; it used to be normal to just have a replacable battery. Now it can cost the average joe 100s of dollars just to have someone do a thing he could easily do himself 10 years ago.