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@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

It was awesome I love all X-men movies except this one

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks doug

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see A Days of Future Past review

@coolnerdlll6053

2 жыл бұрын

Days of Future Past is the best, Origins is the worst.

@lonebattledroid4474

2 жыл бұрын

Basically the only good Dark Phoenix story in film is from the Umbrella Academy

She really said "the women are always saving the men" right after Quicksilver saved everyone's asses singlehandedly?

@TeresaKinsley

2 жыл бұрын

How nice of this movie to have a half-assed girl power moment when the rest of it (& the franchise, except for Logan) did practically nothing with any of the female characters.

@SunnysFilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeresaKinsley Which is especially baffling considering this movie is based on a female-centric storyline from the comics. Jean is incredibly OP, and the movies did almost nothing with her except kill her over and over again.

@TeresaKinsley

2 жыл бұрын

@@SunnysFilms What we should’ve gotten was Jean as a well-developed character in at least 2 or 3 movies as the counselor troy of the group NC mentioned a couple times, like in the comics & cartoon show, & THEN she turns into Dark Phoenix- or at least wait until she’s an adult & not still a teenager. It would leave a much bigger impact in the franchise’s history, like Wanda finally turning into Scarlet Witch at the end of WandaVision. But instead, there was very little time given for her character to develop at all- & they had 5 movies in 2 separate timelines to do that! & Jean’s not the only one. There are many female X-Men characters with compelling stories in the comics that deserve to be told that barely get any character development or even recognition. Rogue, unrecognizable. Storm, only remember her from the "toad who got struck by lightning" line, unfortunately. Jubilee, only shown briefly twice. Psylocke, another forgettable side villain (though, I will give Olivia Munn credit for committing to her role despite the limited amount of screen time & lines she had). The only exception was Mystique until they fucked it up in the last movie. If there are more, it probably means I forgot about them. Even some of the male characters like Cyclops & Nightcrawler are barely represented as their comic book counterparts. "X-Women" is not going to change the fact that the studio doesn’t really give a shit about representing female (& some male) characters the way that they’re supposed to be in the comics.

@SunnysFilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeresaKinsley Agreed completely on all counts. Ugg. Don't remind me of what they did to my girl Rogue. That still ticks me off to no end.

@TeresaKinsley

2 жыл бұрын

@@SunnysFilms I heard rumors that they may Rogue in the Captain Marvel sequel next year, but I’m not 100% sure if that will happen because no one has officially casted her yet. If there is going to be Rogue in the MCU, now that Disney bought 20th Century Fox, I’m certain they’ll actually get her character right & not just have her be a useless, timid teen who barely uses the one power the movies gave her. Here’s hoping.

The fact that Kinberg’s original script had the hellfire club originally and Fox made him change it…

@mr.moviemafia

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s leaked concept art showing they were originally supposed to appear. Emma Frost was going to return, and (although there’s no concept art for this) so was Psylocke

@justinpullen1097

2 жыл бұрын

For real? Dang it Fox.

@justinpullen1097

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.moviemafia Well that certainly would have made her last glance in Apocalypse matter more.

@isaacgleeth3609

2 жыл бұрын

@@justinpullen1097 X-Men: "Fox killed us." Firefly: "First time?"

@kingsleycy3450

2 жыл бұрын

It's always a miracle whenever a good script survives studio execs.

One of the biggest problems that annoyed me about this movie (on top of a thousand others) was Mystique riding Xavier's ass about the risks the students take as X-Men WHEN IT WAS HER GOD DAMN IDEA IN THE LAST MOVIE!

@matthiasneidenberger9471

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think Xavier gets a lot of flack after he achieves what NO ONE has done in these movies, actual mutant-human peace and cooperation. Yeah the kids were in danger but they’re basically adults who chose to do what they do so getting mad at him is like being mad at a fire marshal for sending a bunch of firemen into a burning building.

@rogue7723

2 жыл бұрын

I _never_ read the _X-Men_ comics nor seen any of the movies/cartoons, but isn't Mystique supposed to be a Machiavellian terrorist bent on ridding the world of normal humans? Why is she working with the _X-Men,_ then? Did that happen later on like Zuko joining Team Avatar?

@HisBubbliness

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogue7723 I'm guessing it's because God forbid Jennifer Lawrence play a bad guy. The people behind the X-Men films REALLY didn't grasp a lot of what makes people like these characters. Mystique has sided with the X-Men in some stories in the comics but it's mainly for her own ends, not theirs.

@rogue7723

2 жыл бұрын

@@HisBubbliness Oh ok thanks. :) Again, I know _little_ about _X-Men_ but I did look up some bios on the characters. One thing about this movie (from the review) that drove me _nuts_ was that Mystique is Kurt's biological mother and Rogue's adoptive mother, and there was _no Rogue_ in this _at all_ and there seemed to be _no interactions_ between Mystique and Kurt. They missed a _diamond_ opportunity for this movie to sub-center around Rogue and Kurt's relationship with Mystique and how their ideals and allegiances with the X-Men clash with hers and vice versa. Hell, I don't even think Kurt had a _reaction_ to Mystique's death.

@rogue7723

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiasneidenberger9471 I think Mystique riding on Xavier's ass about putting the students' lives in danger would be fine if her anger was more about Xavier potentially endangering her son and adoptive daughter (Yeah, remember a mutant called Rogue who was adopted by Mystique and how she also had a son called Kurt? 'Cuz this movie frickin' doesn't.)

"I'm here because Tilda Swinton said no." Okay, I truly lol'ed at that one.

@questworldiangreenknight7455

2 жыл бұрын

YES 😂😂😂😂😂

I've avoided using the expression to be polite, but Rob saying it's like a bad fanfiction with good scenes but no way to properly connect them is very accurate.

@chasehedges6775

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍

@bubba200874426

2 жыл бұрын

Not for nothing, though. Most of these movies are made by people who are fans. Basically all major comic books are written by people who grew up fans. It shouldn't be a surprise it's like fan fiction.

“The real mutants” sounds like a sequel to new mutants

@Alec11_43

2 жыл бұрын

More like a reboot, specifically one that bashes the original.

@only1chicityarson

2 жыл бұрын

Oh dear god, NO!

@jlev1028

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds more like a child-friendly TV spinoff. Like the Real Ghostbusters.

@dzas_cave

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alec11_43 The Suicide Squad

@TheAlps36

2 жыл бұрын

Followed by "No new mutants"

They definitely did Quicksilver dirty in this one , apocalypse at least gave us a pretty great scene with him .

@claymathewselevator8121

2 жыл бұрын

At least he got to be in WandaVision

@aitipsea3909

2 жыл бұрын

*Every vid I go... I see you...*

@patrickbateman7802

2 жыл бұрын

@@claymathewselevator8121 where he got done even dirtier...

4:17 Professor X: "You found her naked, Scott...?" Cyclops: "Uh... yeah, I guess she went to bed that way?" X: "Impossible. Jean never sleeps naked." C: "Wait - how do you...?" _(awkward, intense pause)_ X: "How about you get an A this year in Geography, and we never speak of this again...?"

Fun fact: Vuck and her alien allies were going to be Skrulls but Marvel decided to use them for Captain Marvel and they basically changed the race of aliens that the Phoenix Force ate their solar system's sun and destroyed their planet. So it was "Look at this fun Easter egg" I'm with Rob, the Hellfire Club should've been the villains and had Emma Frost come back (basically say she faked her death from DOFP.) Boom, movie writes itself.

@99annanic

2 жыл бұрын

I would’ve liked Jessica Chastain to be Emma Frost over January Jones. She definitely more talented that January is and she would’ve brought more personality to her than was January did.

@Fordo007

2 жыл бұрын

@@99annanic January Jones gets a lot of flack for the flat performance in First Class, but that wasn't actually her call. The director wanted a flat icequeen despite January Jones trying to go for something else. So you get some moments of personality with her eating while the general is believing he's having sex, her grinning when Xavier and Magneto walk in on it. But all that was January coming up with that. I remember originally she was supposed to be seated with the general when the table would rotate and January suggested having her stand up and close the blinds just so she could do something. And from the interviews she gave, she was expecting to come back in more films as one of the X-men as she said she really read into the good-guy era of Emma Frost. Which I think would've suited her A LOT better. January Jones can do comedy very well and she could've been a very good snarky Emma Frost as one of the X-men. Being a villainous Emma Frost? Not so much. But I feel Jessica Chastain would've been the reverse, being a good villain but not really as great a good guy for Emma. And even if Jessica Chastain got the role in First Class, she'd likely be hit with the same criticisms because the portrayal of flat and emotionless WAS a directorial intent. So no actress could've made that work short of convincing the director to change his mind. January Jones and Olivia Munn both played my two favorite X-men women and I do appreciate both at least got their characters to look as close to the comic as they could and then tried to squeeze in as much character as they could.

@expendableindigo9639

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically this was supposed to be the Hellfire Club's revenge from First Class but both them and the Skrulls were cut.

@mattway18

2 жыл бұрын

I legit thought you guys were joking because January Jones sounds retarded and fake but nobody questioned it so I had to look it up. That’s her legit name.

I have missed the First Viewings!!! God, it's been ages!!! Please do more!!!

I think Quicksilver would like to have a word with Raven about that whole "Woman save more lives around here" line.

@SimonKnight1023

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I haven’t seen the movie but that seemed so random and untrue. lol

@dragonmaster613

2 жыл бұрын

@O B D they were referring to the _two_ times Quicksilver save multiple people (Charles and Magneto, the ENTIRE SCHOOL minus Havoc!)

@gaelofariandel6747

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonmaster613 (Scott cries) "Too soon"

@questworldiangreenknight7455

2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@TeresaKinsley

2 жыл бұрын

Especially knowing that practically nothing was done with any of the female characters throughout the franchise (except for Logan & First Class). "X-Women" isn’t going to change the fact that studio doesn’t really give a shit about any of them.

Fun fact: This film and The New Mutants (2020) were originally supposed to merge in a future crossover film that adapts the Inferno saga from the comics. However, with the acquisition of Fox by Disney, such plans were forcibly cancelled and as a result, several scenes from both films had to be reshot or deleted

@kieferfulsom4432

2 жыл бұрын

I knew about New Mutants going into Inferno, but I didn’t know they wanted to do that for X-men.

@changsiah2

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because they're going to set up set them (X-Men as well as the New Mutants)in the MCU

@sterling7

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps both films were really run roughshod by that coming about, but based on the final quality of both, believing that we missed out on a great third-act tie-in requires a bit more than a gentle benefit of the doubt.

I just realized, I’m still not over the fact that Storm’s opponent in the Brotherhood fight in this movie was… a guy with long, strong-ish hair he can control. … … SHE CAN FLY! AND SHOOT LIGHTNING! How was this guy anything more than a threshold she had to step over?

@RichTheFlop

2 жыл бұрын

so the fight doesn't end in 0.1 seconds..

I remember the Hellfire Club story and making Jean believe she was living in the past and in love with Mastermind. The corruption took awhile. When I first read those issues (when they were new), I had assumed that without the Hellfire Club, the Phoenix would not have gone dark.

Funnily enough, the Hellfire Club actually WAS supposed to be in this movie but the director decided to cut them out because he wanted a “deep look” into Jean’s character.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

They were apparently cut to save budget. That said, the movie does explore Jean’s trauma well.

@northwindkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 That is true. The one thing I'll give DP is it's a surprisingly accurate depiction of psychological trauma. Just a shame its a neutered, cut down, botched film that had to be the last thing made in the franchise.

@sebastiancintron29

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 no it didn't. It mentioned she had trauma. Mentioning it and actually showing us what a character goes through, are 2 different things.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastiancintron29 It did according to psychologists who reviewed the film. Google "Dark Phoenix is an Eye-Opening Lesson in What PTSD is Like For Women, and Why That Matters" it is a great breakdown.

@willthomas2310

2 жыл бұрын

I heard the shi'ar empire was also suppose to be in this

Honest Trailers pointed it out, but I want to point it out too: Magneto, Professor X, Beast, and Mystique should all be in their 50's and 60's by now. Mystique is justified because she's a shapeshifter, but Dark Phoenix doesn't even try to age anybody up to make them look how they are supposed to when they are older in the ORIGINAL MOVIES!!!

@RichTheFlop

2 жыл бұрын

the original timeline took place in the early 2000's while the revised timeline takes place in the mid-late 1900's

@erics.czernecki7333

2 жыл бұрын

Still, that implies that in less than 10 years, James McAvoy will just randomly age into Patrick Stewart. In 10 years *already,* that's clearly not true.

@matthiasneidenberger9471

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you’re gonna deal with characters who were around during the Cold War, you should either age them up, get new actors to play them in the future (not my choice, but still), or keep them in a period where their age makes sense.

I just realized earlier: based on Days of Future Past "fixing" the X-Men timeline with this one......Jean shouldn't have died, since she's not dead in the original timeline, anymore. CHRIST they screwed the pooch.....and X-Men: Apocalypse was STILL worse!

@mercenaryknight5419

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree, Apocalypse was better than this crap.

@matthiasneidenberger9471

2 жыл бұрын

@@mercenaryknight5419 I agree, I was at least entertained by Apocalypse.

@motodog242

2 жыл бұрын

@@mercenaryknight5419 Let’s just call them both crap and continue, because they were, lol.

@DeepEye1994

2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely disagree that this clusterfuck is better than "Apocalypse" and I will at least explain myself. (because it's fun lol Deadpool: LONG-ASS COMMENT, COMIN' UP!!) At least it didn't anger me in way "X-Men 3" did, when something heavy like the death of a character happens, it's taken at least seriously. Nobody barely gave a shit about Cyclops dying, and even Xavier's death wasn't treated with the heaviness it implies (not helped that they later retconned it), when Havok dies, it's tragic and he stays dead. And Jean comforts Scott over it, which at least is more bonding and meaningful conversation than whatever the fuck Cyclops and Jean had in the original X-Men films, there was barely any chemistry between them despite being great actors. "X-Men: Apocalypse" is a hot mess, but hot messes are enjoyable and I found "Apocalypse" to be enjoyable for the most part even though it's a far cry from X-Men 1-2 or "First Class" and DOFP. My biggest problem with it "Apocalypse" is just that Apocalypse himself is a bit of a dumb villain who seems like he doesn't need his four horsemen or to fuck around with Xavier and could just destroy everything on his own instead of giving the heroes time to stop him, and while it makes some sense that Stryker would reach out to the X-Mansion and suspect them, his part of the film still felt very random, he seemingly gets away with it and nobody talks about the encounter with Wolverine, it almost borders on a Big Lipped Alligator Moment. But at least on face value, it was a better version of "X-Men Origins Wolverine" (also, I was one of the lucky people that didn't see the trailers so his scene was an utter surprise for me) Again, it's a hot mess. But to me, an entertaining hot mess. ..."X-Men 3", the Wolverine films that aren't "Logan" ("The Wolverine" got really boring as fuck after the train scene and the villains are utter jokes, at least Apocalypse had some good villainous moments that I personally find appealing) and "Dark Phoenix" just PISS ME OFF and left me in a shit mood. For all its problems and missed opportunities, "Apocalypse" leaves me entertained and I have fun imagining a sequel with Mr. Sinister as the villain with a new Hellfire Club that ends the "young cast era" more gracefully and maybe sets up the events of "Logan". I'll continue having my imaginary version of the movie that connects "Apocalypse" with "Logan" while "Dark Phoenix" can fuck off, and they should try to execute the Dark Phoenix storyline in a TV show after spending time with a great iteration Jean Grey, it's hard to do in a movie. "X-Men 3" did it sliiiighly better, but it still sucked ass and did too many things wrong. The acting in "Dark Phoenix" is much worse, it has way worse bad scenes, it wastes even more potential (SUPER PISSED they didn't do anything about Kurt and Quicksilver being the sons of Mystique and Magneto, that's in my fantasy sequel), the lighting is shit, it LOOKS more fake, staged and shitty and at times when taken out of context some scenes don't look like they belong in an X-Men film, and the "good moments" in it are nowhere near as enjoyable as the better moments of "Apocalypse". It's just a way more inept film on every cinematic level than "Apocalypse". And at least "Apocalypse" doesn't have cringe lines like that "women always save men" bullshit Mystique says. Peace.

Doug's Mutant power is ruining Rob's day.

@somerandolad

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, I think that's Brad's mutant ability, too.

@AnimatedTerror

2 жыл бұрын

@@somerandolad it’s a common trait.

Dang, I know Jean in X3 wasn’t revived well, but at least Famke did something with Jean going nuts, especially how Jean was built up on losing control with her emotions…. here is nothing I can care about with Sophia

Doug Walker would make a hilarious Professor X and Rob would make a hilarious Beast

Here's why The Dark Phoenix saga never worked in any of the films and never would in the future if they'll try again. The dark Phoenix saga is a climex. Not only to a much larger story the films always skipped, but it was also a climex of sorts for Jean's character.. A character the readers were following for decades (until she was brought back of course but still.) you don't jump into the climex right ahead because the story would not make any sense and nobody would care for the characters. If you'll read the TPB of dark Phoenix without any context, odds are you'll be underwhelmed. The only way to adapt this story successfully is through a TV show. That's why the animated series version of the story works, they don't skip anything and we had enough time with Jean prior to the story. I don't think the movie format really works for X-Men. There are simply too many characters and stories and not enough time.. Not that it's impossible to make a good X-Men movie, it was obviously done before.. But I think the films should be the big events, while the TV show is everything in between.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

This was meant to be a Phoenix origin story, not an adaptation of the entire saga. Jean technically isn't Phoenix until at the end of the movie and the sequel was meant to show the Phoenix in action.

@ProfessorZoom2140

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 You're right. I guess they planned a Phoenix trilogy which could've worked theoretically but this wasn't really that great of a start and she kinda went dark in this one already so I'm not sure what could've come next.. And since the sequels are canceled we'll never know. Not that it matters anymore.

@orangeslash1667

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfessorZoom2140 To bad Wolverine and the X-men was canceled.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfessorZoom2140 Jean was technically like this in her comic origin story where she had trouble controlling her powers due to trauma from a car accident death and was lashing out at people. That is pretty much the primary inspiration for the film.

@motodog242

2 жыл бұрын

I mean it can be done with movies, since all the time was devoted for Xavier and Logan for the X-Men films, which gave us Logan.

All this needed Doug's wife to say "She's really phoning it in" like in the 1st viewing of _X-Men: Apocalypse._ It always feels like Jennifer Lawrence just plays nearly the _exact same_ character in all of her movies: A supposed female-empowerment girl/woman who's _dead inside._

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that’s a good 70% of the female characters in Hollywood in the last several years with any sort of speaking role.

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

2 жыл бұрын

Through all the female heroes of the MCU, with the exception of the Mary Sues and arguably Pepper Potts, the only one who doesn’t fit that is Mantis.

@gamemediafan1714

2 жыл бұрын

Because that's all Hollywood wants with female characters as of 2021. They're so desperate to pander to extreme feminist nutjobs on Twitter it's not even funny.

@hughmorris7557

2 жыл бұрын

Doug is married? :o

@questworldiangreenknight7455

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much

I'm glad you and Rob had fun watching this film. Hope your dad is doing good

@shaunmckinney521

2 жыл бұрын

Wait what happened!?!

@MegaBYSON

2 жыл бұрын

really odd for you to be bringing up their dad bro, like..... mind your business enit, you are a stranger on the internet after all

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaunmckinney521 nothing happened I'm sure of

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaBYSON odd? I'm just curious and I don't know what is wrong asking a question that I have interest of. Besides I'm just being nice. And I much rather be in a nice mood then in a bad mood. So I watch a lot Nostalgia Critic videos. I watch a lot of First Viewings. I noticed in a 2016 review that Doug's mother passed away. I watch a lot of reviews of horror movies and Super hero movies and many films. I watch anything that fascinates my mind. And I can assure you, I may seem as a stranger to you. But I'm just being nice.

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

@@MegaBYSON in other words, I watch videos of doug Walker as nostalgia Critic from time to time as some people do

Somewhere between DOFP and Logan is where I feel the Fox Era should’ve ended

@chasehedges6775

2 жыл бұрын

So true. So very true

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

If the rumors about Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness are true, it has not ended just yet.

@michaelsinger4638

2 жыл бұрын

Logan should have been the end. That would have been fitting.

@ninjanibba4259

2 жыл бұрын

I’m saying

@jaredschoen8464

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 As long as we have Deadpool crossing over into the MCU, It will go on forever.

"Write a good female story then! Throwing a catchphrase in there does not all of a sudden mean we fixed the problem." Truer words were never spoken. Seriously. It's like the stupid women power scene in Endgame.

@gaelofariandel6747

2 жыл бұрын

I skip that out of spite after having to sit through it twice.

@questworldiangreenknight7455

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!

@chimerschang

2 жыл бұрын

One thing that cracks me up about that scene is how Black Widow isn't in the lineup because, you know, she's dead.

@TeresaKinsley

2 жыл бұрын

Ehh… I feel that "X-Women" line is more cringey than the female Avenger lineup. At least those characters were well-developed way before Endgame (I like it fine, but even I thought it was weird & that there is a better way to execute it), while the entire X-Men franchise (with the exception of Logan) did practically nothing with any of their female characters. Their brief so-called girl power moment doesn’t change the fact that the studio doesn’t give a shit about any of them.

@motodog242

2 жыл бұрын

@@gaelofariandel6747 Lol, you skip through a 5 second scene that doesn’t hurt anything? Just wow. Lol.

People want to crap on this series for the bad and…..yeah there was a lot of bad. But there was some great in there: X-men 1 and 2 First class Days of future past Logan

@SnazzyjazzBro

2 жыл бұрын

This whole movie franchise in general is an overall mixed bag. OG X-men trilogy: consistently good run with a bad finish Wolverine trilogy: bad start but got better with each film Prequel Trilogy: good start but continuously stumbled during each film Days of Future past: best aspects of all three trilogies combined into one solid movie

@ThreadBomb

2 жыл бұрын

@@SnazzyjazzBro Wolverine: I thought the middle film was the worst.

@SnazzyjazzBro

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThreadBomb everyone had their opinions and preferences and that's perfectly fine. I was just speaking from a general consensus

@motodog242

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to put in X-Men 3 and take out X-Men 1. Jesus, X-Men 1 is terrible.

The thing studios don't learn from the MCU is that they always try to sell you the heroes first. The comic book plot is secondary because if you like the heroes you will watch them in anything. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are woeful short of characters you care about.

@ThreadBomb

2 жыл бұрын

All the wooden actors they cast doesn't help.

@chasehedges6775

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThreadBomb Yep.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Those are the same characters from First Class and Days of Future Past.

It's amazing that this movie was so forgettable, that I'm seeing Quicksilver and first thinking "Hey, the guy from WandaVision."

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

This isn’t the first X-Men movie her appeared in though.

@GamiCross

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 talking about this movie

Fun fact: The X-Men: Dark Phoenix is Hans Zimmer's seventh comic-book movie score, following the trilogy of Christopher Nolan Batman films, the DC universe films Man of Steel (2013) and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and the Sony production of Marvel's The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014).

@wjzav1971

2 жыл бұрын

I thought he wanted to quit making soundtracks for comic book movies after Batman vs Superman?

Do you guys remember seeing Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets? You did a Sibling Rivalry video on it, I would love love to see you doing an actual Nostalgia Critic episode on it.

X Men Dark Phoenix: Oh yeah, that…. Existed.

@somerandolad

2 жыл бұрын

It still wasn't as bad as X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

@claymathewselevator8121

2 жыл бұрын

@@somerandolad that’s not really much of an achievement 😂

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@somerandolad Or X-Men: Apocalypse.

Remember how "Big Bang Theory's" would repeatedly knock while saying someone's name in a monotone? Cyclops repeating Charles' name needed only the knocking.

@eduardogomez4275

2 жыл бұрын

As long as they don't add canned laughter (or overacting audience)

@callnight1441

2 жыл бұрын

the only difference being that TBBT is entertaining

I want to see Doug rank all the live action X-Men movies. That would be interesting

You can see hope leaving Rob's eyes when Dough started saying "they are....kinda in there"

"What are their thoughts on the X-Men movie so bad it killed the franchise?" Dark Phoenix was bad, but it didn't kill the X-Men movie series. The X-Men movie series was ALREADY dead before it premiered because of the Disney buy-out.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

The X-Men are apparently showing up in the next Doctor Strange movie to fight the Scarlet Witch.

@dragonmaster613

2 жыл бұрын

The buy-out only sealed this inferior version in a Phantom Zone like prison. Technically though, Apocalypse killed it.

@ninjanibba4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 that’s nothing but rumors

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninjanibba4259 A variety writer said it and people at Marvel Studios alluded to it.

@ninjanibba4259

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 again, that means nothing, Benedict said he’d make an appearance on WandaVision and it didn’t happen, Paul said a major character would appear and it was only himself as a twin So I’m not trusting nothing until I see the final product

Jean wasn’t possessed. All the cosmic force did was unleashed repressed trauma she had and that resulted in her having PTSD throughout the movie. It is stated a few times in the film and in the first trailer. The possession angle was only in the cartoon version.

@sebastiancintron29

2 жыл бұрын

The movie still sucked

@briantinsley3598

2 жыл бұрын

They say in the review that they can't tell if her destroying things is possession or her own state of mind.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@briantinsley3598 I know. That’s why I made the post.

@ryckarduhryckarduh180

2 жыл бұрын

Not just the cartoon, also in the comics, at least until they decided that jean/phoenix was just a clone and that the real jean was in the bottom of a lake, but thats just a retcon to bring her back, the whole thing was presented like a cosmic entity possessing jean

@karl_alan

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryckarduhryckarduh180 I thought that too. I remembered in the comics the Phoenix force being kind of like parallax (post Johns' rebirth) or onslaught were in the comics, where some entity inhabited the person.

I mean, they couldn't exactly have the Hellfire Club when DOFP literally says they were all murdered off-screen. Yeah turns out Bryan Singer was responsible for the lost potential even in a film he didn't make.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

They were originally going to be the villains for this movie as shown in concept art but budget cuts happened.

@northwindkey

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 But Magneto literally says they all died in DOFP. Then again Apocalypse showed Jean using Phoenix powers, so I guess this movie does ignore all that. It's a shame because Kinberg, for what it's worth, tried. Apocalypse may fail less than DP, but it also tries less. It's just a rehashed dull film. DP is Kinberg desperately trying to do the story he's wanted to tell for 20 years (Kinberg wrote the script that was originally going to be X3, but Fox had it rewritten to the point of being unrecognizable), even though Fox (And later on Disney, since the entire third act was redone literally because Disney said it was too much like CM) was basically doing everything to ruin it. Would Kinberg's full vision have been good? Probably not, it's his first film and he was being thrown into a huge franchise blockbuster. But damn would it have been better than this neutered film we got. That's how I feel about DP. I don't even think it's terrible (Apocalypse and Origins still hold that place for me). It's just "neutered".

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@northwindkey Bucky also “died” in First Avenger. As for the Phoenix stuff, Jean was manipulating a Phoenix aura since she was a child in the comics.

@motodog242

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 Anyone reading comics knew Bucky didn’t die, Tbf.

Honestly, I think Charles doesn’t get enough credit while mystique is praised by everyone in these movies: He finally creates peace with the mutants and the humans, while mystique joined a terrorist group that literally left her childhood friend paralyzed in the sand. He gets flack for sending his students into harms way even though they’re old enough to go to war if they want now-I mean these kids are basically volunteer firefighters and they act like their conscripted soldiers-and mystique suggested the same thing when they were even younger. He does alter a child’s memories, which is messed up, but if you look at it, it’s only one memory, and it’s no different from someone just lying about what happened to spare the feelings of a child. I don’t feel he should’ve, it is best for him to tell the truth in that situation but it’s just a little white lie, he didn’t do it to indoctrinate her into his way of thinking, he just spared her the pain of not being wanted anymore. Mystique was totally fine with making Rogue from the first movie think she was not wanted so she could manipulate her into being used as a battery in a machine that would’ve killed her and thousands of others.

I smell another idea for FanScription: "What if Dark Phoenix more closely matched the comic version?" or something like that, with a shorter title.

Frankly, the idea that Xavier messed with the minds of fifteen *other* high-powered mutant teenagers sounds like a much more interesting movie.

Man, bringing the Hellfire Club back would have really helped this movie.

I just realised, this could have been a great movie if Pheonix had been a hero, like she was for a long time in the comics before Dark Pheonix. They're on a mission where Jean is learning to harness her Pheonix powers. Things go wrong, we learn they've been going wrong for a while, and people suspect Jene 'cause she's acting weird. Shenanigans ensue, it comes to light that Jean is hiding stress and depression that's making her act weird. We see the sabotage is being perpetrated by a walking Xavier, a result of Apocalypse's psyche merging halfway with Xaviers' in the previous movie and powered by all xavier's regrets, creating this version of Onslaught. Jean accepts her powers, the whole team comes together to stop Onslaught while Jean enters his mind to find Xavier. She helps him out, giving back for all the students he helped with their insecurities, and they work together to purge Onslaught from Xavier's mind. The end-credit scene shows Onslaught survived and is now in his armored classic form and standing behind Mastermind who tells the Hellfire club they'll be targetting Jean. There you go, marvel, I wrote a better Pheonix movie then any you made, and it's a dark psychological thriller about accepting your trauma and failures and using them to make yourself a better person. I don't need credit or money, just do your damn job and make a decent movie.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

Jean technically isn’t the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix until at the very end.

@questworldiangreenknight7455

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a pretty awesome idea not gonna lie!!!

@xancarter1927

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 In my pitch? Because if so, that makes it an origin story, and you know how people love those. We even get to add to lore built from Age of Apocolypse, making it at least a barely decent part of the movies by setting up that lore (rather than ignoring it like this movie did).It smoothly and cohesively sets up an overarching villain who, and I didn't even think about this when I wrote the pitch, is responsible for a multiversal event in the comics, so he could finally connect the X-men to the marvel universe proper. And best of all, it pushes the focus onto Jean for a movie so we can explore her character and get attached before Dark Pheonix ever happens, the key flaw Marvel keeps making.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

@@xancarter1927 Talking about this movie.

Man, it has been so long since the last First Viewing, I almost thought you guys decided to stop making these. Hope you guys are able to do more of these again, because they're always such a joy to watch.

I was also happy Dazzler was in this movie... that was the peak lol

I can't wait till the mcu does X-Men right

@nathanieldiaz5254

2 жыл бұрын

Damn right.

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

Patrick Stewart is apparently reprising his role as Xavier in the next Doctor Strange movie.

@AnimatedTerror

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 that’d be cool

@chasehedges6775

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 Please

@Frogman1212

2 жыл бұрын

They haven't done anyone right. Maybe Ultimate Iron Man. That's it though.

Can you do a nostalgia critic video on mortal kombat 2021

YESSS First Viewing. I love these so much. You could do one for a movie you're not gonna review, I'd still watch it

They were supposed to have the Skrulls has the villains and a different final act were suppose to be more like Captain Marvel, but since Marvel were gonna use it, they had to change the villain and reshoot the final act

I liked dark Phoenix simply because I had no expectations, when I watched it I didn't know it existed 30 minutes before I found it at Walmart. Then watched it.

YAY!! I thought you guys were done with these! This is my favorite thing you guys do!! Keep it up!

Awesome Doug, thank you for the nostalgia Critic review

Review Barnyard (2006).

@claymathewselevator8121

2 жыл бұрын

Sam Elliott is great in it

I love the Dazzler scene.

Had a blast listening to you guys! Great vid

I'm so glad to see another "First Viewing", these are my favorites to watch after the main reviews

Rob has a perfect idea for a fanscription.

Basically the only good Dark Phoenix story in film is from the Umbrella Academy

@carlotta4th

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hey, that actually is pretty close. They definitely set that up better and give the figurative "Jean" a backstory/motivations/etc.

I love it when you guys do these!

Was binging the other 1st viewings wondering when we’d get another one. Prayers answered 🙏

I'm sorry but Dark Phoenix wasn't terrible. It just wasn't... Much.

@shadowknight1121

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@peytonmac1131

2 жыл бұрын

Which is worse in a way. At least a bad movie has something going on to be noteworthy. A 'meh' movie is just disappointing.

4 months since the last first viewing

Quicksilver does more than anyone else. Mystique: "The women do all the saving"

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

Quicksilver didn’t save any of the X-Men though.

i like how doug starts with "uh oh...i'm wearing the shirt..must be a shitty x men movie" like he just spawned there

I’m here because Tilda Swinton said no 😂

I've missed these.

Yay! I missed your First Viewings! These are great!

Holy smokes you’re still doing the first viewing I thought you gave up on it when you didn’t do one for cats or Batman versus TMNT

The car landed parents side down, that only happens when the devil is around.

Its really telling when xmen 3 last stand did the phoenix saga better

@agentofchaos7456

Жыл бұрын

Did you read the Dark Phoenix Saga? It is a mental health commentary. X3 was objectively not a better representation of a mental illness than Dark Phoenix. Ask any mental health expert.

@overlord6993

Жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 the dark phoenix saga is most importantly an epic scifi tale of aliens in space, cobber

@agentofchaos7456

Жыл бұрын

@@overlord6993 The Dark Phoenix Saga is a saga, meaning that it is a series of story arcs rather than one. It happened over the course of 30+ issues. The space stuff was just one of several arcs.

Sophie: "i want tah go home to kentucky, i do guv'nah"

Doug thank you for your reviewing of this film

X-men Dark Phoenix = diet X-men The Last Stand

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

Last Stand’s Phoenix was based on the (stigmatizing) myth that people with dissociative identity disorder are inherently violent and dangerous. In contrast, this movie was a much more authentic and thoughtful representation of mental illness than X3.

@claymathewselevator8121

2 жыл бұрын

Kelsey Grammar was a great Beast in The Last Stand

@Kentrc11

2 жыл бұрын

Also the events of the first 3 X-men movies are definitely different if Dark Phoenix is canon. During X1 Magneto doesn't kidnap Senator Kelly, mutate him, then start that attack in NYC. X2 probably still happens the same except Quicksilver taking Mystique's place for the fight against Stryker. And X3 happens the same except Jean doesn't kill Professor X since they settled everything in this movie & instead they both team up against Magneto & the Brotherhood over whether Leech dies or lives.

2:15 Actually, according to Mythbusters, that might work.

@claymathewselevator8121

2 жыл бұрын

Red Green would agree

@bunnywithakeyboard7628

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t try for re-entry…

@gianinabadami5341

2 жыл бұрын

Even though they didn't use duct tape for space travel repair, I know the episode you're referring to

Glad to see these again lol. Y'all have done every X-Men movie I'm sure Logan and New Mutants are next. 😎

3:06 Charles' face. He's just like "Where the hell did that come from? We weren't talking about that."

Haven’t seen a first viewing in awhile , nice !!!

YEEEEEES!! First viewings are awesome!!!!!

3:04 to 3:22 - THANK YOU! I was worried about being almost alone on this.

- "Oh, we do the funny thing in the end!" - "...Naaah..." - pretty much this entire movie in the nutshell.

Jean Greys story in this was so Dull though

@agentofchaos7456

2 жыл бұрын

I watched the BTS content of this and they actively trying to make it feel like it wasn’t a superhero movie.

@scottketchie5703

2 жыл бұрын

@@agentofchaos7456 Are you going to see the No way home movie

This movie kept skipping acts thou

I looked up Jennifer's stance on being in this film, and now I fully understand how her performance tanked like this. She hated being there. Too bad we can't get a good X-Men movie series. I loved the X-Men growing up. Very burned out on superhero stuff atm though...

Amazing first viewing and I still kind love this movie and it’s hilarious that mystique sounds like a robot also had a funny death scene like in the first avengers movie too etc. Fantastic job on the video

My question is... why are they all British

These FVs are always a joy. I would LOVE to see a First Viewing of you two watching *Helluva Boss!* Your reactions would be priceless.

I love the first viewings, they always have great jokes the review didn't. "No! My prized rutabagas!"

Did you guys upgrade your camera kinda looks better

Honestly this is a guilty pleasure for me, its not great by any meams but i do enjoy sophie turner and jeans story

I actually thought apocalypse was pretty good. Also does that guy in the hat hate even days of future past because I feel like he does

I actually really enjoyed this movie. I didn't like the aliens angle, but I was still highly entertained.

If I can remember correctly I think the aliens in this movie were originally supposed to be Skrulls. But because this was being made around the time when Marvel was buying Fox, they had to change them to what I think were the generic aliens we see in this movie.

I'm here because Tilda Swinton says "No!". - Now that's a funny line

"Are you going into the cold vacuum of space...duct tape" F9 has entered the chat.

Dam i watched yall so much this last month i forgot how long you didnt film like this

+Channel Awesome Hi Doug and co, I was wondering if you'd ever watched any of the 'Carry On...' films? It'd be interesting to hear about some of them from a contemporary American's perspective - they started out as traditional Ealing-style comedies and ended up as sex-farces but they so often had quirky moments.

the funny thing about both dark fenixs, is that the 90s animated show took se same amount of "screen time" in matter of episodes. but jean scott and logan are already well stablished.

The Hellfire Club WERE originally supposed to be in this (with Emma Frost and Psylocke returning), the aliens were actually supposed to be SKRULLS, and Phoenix was going to have a battle in space. The Disney/Fox acquisition forced them to alter it

More FIRST VIEWINGS please!! So underrated!!

You guys should review x men first class