Woodturning: Using (and abusing) the Ring Tool

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This video is a corrected version of my original "Using (and abusing) the Ring Tool" which had an audio problem towards the end.
In my two previous videos (Making the Bit and Shaft • Woodturning: Making a ... , Making the Handle • Woodturning: Making a ... ), I made a ring tool (also known as a termite tool). In this video, I test it out on end grain turnings (like vases), and cross-grain turnings (like bowls). The results are surprising, at least to me.
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  • @tomjpt
    @tomjpt3 жыл бұрын

    Rick - thanks for a very informative video. I appreciate the big effort to give many different camera angles. Interesting comparison to another review video for the same tool that concluded it was worthless. As with all tools, a good part of the result is in the hands of the user. Gaining experience and a willingness to learn the peculiarities of any new tool are key to success! My ring tool is arriving today and I am so pleased to have had the chance to benefit from your video before I ever put the edge to the wood!

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I saw that review too. He definitely didn't like the ring tool. But I wanted to try it out, and I wanted to make a tool too. I hope you like your ring tool as much as I like mine. Thanks for watching and for your comments, Tom.

  • @PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop
    @PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop3 жыл бұрын

    It was really good to see your creation in action, Rick. If I remember right, when I first noticed these 30-40 years ago they were promoted as a hollowing tool, especially for end grain. Your demonstration shows they are good for about any grain orientation. Anything that helps with grain tear-out seems like a win! Nice job on the video, buddy! Phil

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching and for your comments, Phil. I’d seen these tools around for some time, but never got around to trying one out. When I realized you could buy just the bit, that made up my mind.

  • @carolriley8472
    @carolriley84723 жыл бұрын

    Wow, Rick, that was a great demo...I love my ring tool, but I never thought about using it on the outside of a bowl!

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, Carol. I plan to use this tool a lot.

  • @abiseco
    @abiseco3 жыл бұрын

    The Oneway Termite is one of my favorite tools. I have one of the first ones Oneway put on the market and I have worn out & replaced several of the steel rings. The one thing I disagree with involves your sharpening. I bought a dedicated, inexpensive benchtop router table that I use ONLY to sharpen these bits. I also use their circular bit-holder to hold the tool level on the router table, while rotating the bit on the cone. This leaves a perfectly - angled surface on the inside of the bit. Oneway also offers different sizes of circular cutting bits. I recommend getting and using the entire set. The Termite is my favorite freehand hollowing tool. If you'll cut the bottom of a bowl, box or base perfectly flat and then simply draw-cut from the bottom to the top of the vessel (without changing from the 1 o'clock position) you will get the perfect wall cut that you have on the bottom.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like you’ve got a really good way of sharpening. If I had a router and table, that’s what I’d be doing too. Thanks for watching!

  • @tomjpt
    @tomjpt2 жыл бұрын

    Rick - Just watched AGAIN. Now I have some ring tool experience. Had a couple of catches while learning the correct angle of attack. Very helpful to HEAR the tool cutting on both wet and dry wood. Back to the shop!!!

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Tom.

  • @RayWhitbyCreations
    @RayWhitbyCreations3 жыл бұрын

    Seen this tool in the catalogue and never considered it before. Might be worth getting one to try a few pieces with. Thanks for the video!

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Ray. I really like this tool. I just made a second one, using the next larger size bit. It works great too.

  • @kimseyjustkimsey5256
    @kimseyjustkimsey52563 жыл бұрын

    Very Nice job on the tool and thanks for the demo 🤝 I’m gonna have to get one of those!

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love it! You’ll see more of the ring tool in action on my next video, where I finish the poplar bowl that’s been drying while I did the ring tool videos. Thanks for watching, Kimsey.

  • @ScenicCityWoodturning
    @ScenicCityWoodturning3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for showing that in such detailed views. I may have to put that on my Christmas list. 🙂

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Scenic.

  • @MrPete1x
    @MrPete1x3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a good, honest video. Stay safe.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Peter.

  • @TheKlondikeCraftsman
    @TheKlondikeCraftsman3 жыл бұрын

    That was interesting Rick, I enjoyed it. If this were made with a square shank where the ring would automatically sit at "1 O'clock", when the shank was on the tool rest it would be much better for newer turners. Thank for sharing.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    That’s a very good idea, Klondike. I did that with my dedicated shear scraper, and it would work well here also. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @WoodenItBeNice
    @WoodenItBeNice3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Rick, That is one very impressive tool. The result on end grain is amazing. Tear out on end grain is something we have to endure. I would have to weigh the the pros and cons before investing in one though. Great video Rick and I look forward to seeing you use it in upcoming projects. Take care Rick. Cheers, Huw PS I have just looked on line and I can buy, here in the UK, a Robert Sorby 1/2" Ring Tool with a handle for £36 or $46 which seems a great price. Huw

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    That seems like an extremely good price, Huw!

  • @mpart_woodlathe-stuff
    @mpart_woodlathe-stuff3 жыл бұрын

    Ooh, the sequel has better technology but remains faithful to the original. I give it 5 stars also⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Stay safe. -Mike😷

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks much, Mike!

  • @FredStoverink
    @FredStoverink3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I want one. That lack of tear-out is great.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been very impressed with this tool. I’ve used it a few more times since I published this video, and it is amazing on preventing tear-out. Thanks for watching, Fred.

  • @paulladuke2259
    @paulladuke22592 жыл бұрын

    Now I know what I was doing wrong. Thanks, Rick

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Paul.

  • @MrVillafum
    @MrVillafum3 жыл бұрын

    Great review Rick. Thank you! I'm just curious if when cutting the inside (sides of the bowl) if it wouldn't be better cutting in reverse. It would definitely keep the bar out of the way...

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think you’re right about running in reverse. But that chuck I was using did not have a set screw on the collar to secure it when running in reverse, so I didn’t try that out. Thanks for the suggestion, Mike.

  • @TheTinyWorkshop
    @TheTinyWorkshop3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this detailed explanation of this tool.🙏 Do you expect to use this tool often or is it more of a tool that picks you up when other favorites tools can't help you? For me as a beginner woodturner I think it is still too difficult to use🤔. I hope to see this one more often in one of your videos. Take care. Frank.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I do expect to use it quite a bit, in hollowing and on the interior of bowls. Thanks for watching, Frank.

  • @ChadEamesWoodWorks
    @ChadEamesWoodWorks3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video, Rick! I've wondered a couple things about the termite tool that you answered for me... 1. Can I use the other side of the ring to cut? and 2. What's the best way to sharpen without dragging out my router table? Do you have or have you ever used a hook tool? That's what I've been eyeing lately...

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Chad. Glad my video helped you out. I’ve never used a hook tool. The videos I’ve seen of turners using a hook tool make it look like a hook tool is even better than a ring tool, since there’s not much chance of the tool getting clogged with shavings. If you get one, I hope you’ll do a video on it - I’d be very interested.

  • @steveblight2120
    @steveblight21203 жыл бұрын

    Hi Rick -- thanks for the demo video on how to use a ring tool, and nice job making it. Do you think it would work well to hollow out the bowl of a goblet? Or would it be too tight a space with too much curvature?

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think it would work just fine. My latest project (kzread.info/dash/bejne/d2Fp19Rres7bpaQ.html) was a vase with a diameter that varied from 4 to 5 inches, and I had no trouble at all using a 5/8” ring tool. The ring tool demonstrated in this video is a 1/2” bit which would work easily in small diameters.

  • @RubenWoodcraft
    @RubenWoodcraft3 жыл бұрын

    nice review. did you get any catches? I've heard these like to do that.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I did - I showed a catch on camera. But I did it deliberately. While turning with the bit held nearly vertically, I did not encounter any problems. Thanks for watching, Ruben.

  • @williamellis8993
    @williamellis89933 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, Rick, even though I don't do turning, I still enjoy your tool videos. When you first started turning the wet blank, it remined me of a spoon bit. You should go ahead and block the camera and show the cut results that way. Maybe in a future video. Take care. Bill

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m not sure what you mean by “block the camera”, Bill. I’m all for any camera techniques that will show things more clearly. Could you elaborate?

  • @williamellis8993

    @williamellis8993

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RickTurnsWoodturning You said you couldn't get a good cut because of the way you had to hold the tool so you didn't block the camera. If you held the tool for a better cut and blocked the camera for a short time, we could see the best cut available. Sorry for the confusion.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Bill. I thought there was some really cool video technique that I was missing! Good idea about getting the best cut to show.

  • @RobBrandtWoodturning
    @RobBrandtWoodturning3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Rick, nice video, thank you. The tool seems to do a reasonable job. From the video, it looks like you should be able to get the same cuts using standard tools. Spindle gouge in endgrain working from the centre out, skew on the long grain when spindle turning and bottom feeder bowl gouge for inside of the bowl.....and now for something contentious...the roughing gouge for finish cut on the outside of the bowl (Robbo Hippy demonstrates in one of his videos). Is the ring better than the properly sharpened tools I referenced, or is it just a very good jack of all trades so easier to use just the one tool? Keep well, Rob

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Rob. Thanks for your comments. I love this tool, but I probably will only use it for finishing work on bowl interiors (where end grain is a problem), and for deep hollowing in vases.

  • @RobBrandtWoodturning

    @RobBrandtWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RickTurnsWoodturning Thanks for replying Rick, I recently made a deep hollowing tool but am waiting for my vase to dry some more. before continuing. Acquiring more tools is addictive. Keep well, Rob.

  • @ThePapa1947
    @ThePapa19473 жыл бұрын

    WHAT DID YOU SAY RICK??? I DID NOT HEAR ANY AUDIO ERROR..Oh wait I need to turn my speakers on..lol Either way I enjoyed the other version the say it was. Perhaps I will have to give one of these a try myself. If it helps turning end grain Black Locust I am all for it. Take care, Gary

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL! This tool works great on end grain. Thanks for watching, Gary.

  • @alanmullock381
    @alanmullock3813 жыл бұрын

    Watched twice,thumbs -up twice!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😂

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching twice, Alan!

  • @manicmaker52
    @manicmaker523 жыл бұрын

    I'll have to make one of those...

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    It’s fun to make and fun to use. Thanks for watching, Manic.

  • @danam664
    @danam66425 күн бұрын

    How well does that tool perform with epoxy impregnated wood?

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    25 күн бұрын

    No idea! I’ve never had any epoxy impregnated wood.

  • @mountainviewturning5319
    @mountainviewturning53193 жыл бұрын

    Looks great 👍 I think bowl gouge would be faster

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're right, a bowl gouge is faster. This isn't a tool for stock removal, so much as it is a tool for getting a tear-out-free cut. Thanks for watching, MV.

  • @martkt10
    @martkt103 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, i'd like to compare it to a simon hope hollowing tool or something similar

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I haven’t seen a Simon Hope hollowing tool - that would be in England, wouldn’t it? Sounds interesting. Thanks for watching, Mart.

  • @robertcornelius3514
    @robertcornelius3514Ай бұрын

    Good gawd. Very slow to use, and isn't this tool primarily used to hollow out end grain?

  • @bprades
    @bprades Жыл бұрын

    Excellent , mais l affutage se fait il aussi a l extérieur de l anneau?

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    Жыл бұрын

    l'affûtage se fait à l'intérieur de l'anneau à l'aide d'une meule conique dans un outil rotatif

  • @bprades

    @bprades

    Жыл бұрын

    Merci !

  • @emgiwoodworks
    @emgiwoodworks3 жыл бұрын

    Seems like a tamed version of a Russian Hook Tool. But still it has really good cutting properties. Thanks for testing & sharing all this.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching, Leo. Yes, I think it’s pretty much the same as a hook tool, at least the ones I’ve seen.

  • @miles11we
    @miles11we3 жыл бұрын

    How does the saying go? Tearout hath no fury like a wet piece of soft maple?

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL! Thanks for watching, Mik.

  • @diydarkmatter
    @diydarkmatter3 жыл бұрын

    looks like it works ok . bet its good for hollowing .

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    I just finished a deep vase (12") that I hollowed using only this termite tool - it works great! Thanks for watching.

  • @fishenbyfaithoutdoors2589
    @fishenbyfaithoutdoors25893 жыл бұрын

    Is it as small as it looks

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    The cutting part of the bit is about 1/2” in diameter. I was a bit concerned when I first saw it, but it was quite easy to use, even though it isn’t very large. Thanks for watching, Jeff.

  • @bradvietjeastronomy2872
    @bradvietjeastronomy28722 жыл бұрын

    Not intended for side grain.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I've heard that too. However, it does a fairly good job that way. It's not going to replace my gouge for the outside of bowls, but it is occasionally useful in the bottom of a bowl. Thanks for watching and commenting, Brad.

  • @Mr-Zhou
    @Mr-Zhou3 жыл бұрын

    Great demo, I didn’t buy this turning tool

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's a good tool - I love it. Thanks for watching, Mr Zhou.

  • @123hermdagerm
    @123hermdagerm3 жыл бұрын

    Like many, you are using the tool upside down. At the beginning, twist that tool by 180 degrees, and ride the bevel. The aggressive edge you are using is for the bottom or for going deep where it is not possible to use the bevel. Used correctly, that small bowl can be hollowed with the Termite in 3 or 4 minutes, tops. Ride the bevel, rotate the tool so the shavings come out though the hole. I hardly ever plug the tool, especially on end grain. Also, cut from the center out in a cone shape, steady the tool along your forearm, lean against your lathe for stability. The tool should cut without effort, and you are working way too hard on an easy project. I go up to 30 inches deep with a huge home made shank, hand held in vases hollowed entirely with the Termite.

  • @RickTurnsWoodturning

    @RickTurnsWoodturning

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tips, hermdagerm. Would you happen to have any video of your method of cutting?

  • @AlbeTurner

    @AlbeTurner

    Жыл бұрын

    ⁠ Hi Rick. Not having the tool as yet I’m trying to picture his method. Not following the upside down remark. Have you tried using the termite as he suggests and if so do you have a video of it? Thanks Rick.

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