Remember, her powers were deliberately changed into this goofiness. Apparently the director thought her actual canon ability to mimic the fighting style of anybody fighting her was "lame".

@sincerelynotme3522

5 ай бұрын

Which is crazy because if you didn't like what made Echo, well Echo, then why bother to make a series about her? I think they saw the diversity boxes and said screw everything else.

@LINEMIND88

5 ай бұрын

Yeah cuz she just googled the character

@keithscott1926

5 ай бұрын

I wonder if it’s the same person they got the bright idea for Bruce Banner blood to leak into his cousins wound instead of giving blood transfusion that was pretty lame.

@lizOnar

5 ай бұрын

As a comic book fan who read echo during covid she was interesting and what she can do in the comics who can copy any fighting style she sees which is so cool and the director is calling it lame is a huge redflag. But the amputee stuff I had no problem with because I wanted to see how she could over come this challenge like she did being deaf and I do admit the whole changing powers and her native American tribe roots is kind bad. Because Maya she is not only a native woman but biracial too.

@shanenolan5625

5 ай бұрын

We need to stop letting women direct. Or rn shows they only have bad ideas. And use projects for self insert stories. Men are better at female characters than women are .

Anytime a director disses the source material. They're instantly wrong for the job.

@deamonghod

5 ай бұрын

Very well said💪🏾

@irukandji89

5 ай бұрын

.... Goes without saying ...

@SeanWheeler100

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. I wouldn't want a director who hates my books to be hired to direct my movies.

@no.1spidey-fan182

5 ай бұрын

Didn't you hear? A Marvel Studios Exec admitted to that being a REQUIREMENT

@SeanWheeler100

5 ай бұрын

@@no.1spidey-fan182 Well, whoever made it a requirement to hate the comics to direct a Marvel movie should be fired. That kind of unfaithfulness is what's destroying the MCU.

Making your Dad sit through crap like this is just elderly abuse.

@crakhaed

5 ай бұрын

Poor father! 😂

@brandonabiggs

5 ай бұрын

🤣☠️☠️☠️☠️

@grunerd

5 ай бұрын

He better received a bunch of hugs afterwards, @Mediaholic!

@toddriddiough5294

5 ай бұрын

Elder abuse, that's brilliant.

@Jayteaseepiirturi

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. :D

Easing people into the idea that villains are the "good guys." I've noticed this trend for a while now.

@danjarnutowski2331

5 ай бұрын

It's so cringe

@robonator2945

5 ай бұрын

yeah no. I get why this idea is palatable for a lot of people since it plays into confirmation bias, but the reality is it's just people writing their own morality rather than writing good characters. The issue when you "write your morality" is that, outside of *_very_* broad and frankly shallow "don't be bad" morals, you're almost always going to alienate your audience. If you write your world as you think/believe then if you aren't absolutely perfect and have flaws in your worldviews that other people see, or hell, even if you *_are_* perfect but your audience has flaws in *_their_* worldviews that you *_don't_* see, the audience is going to fundamentally disagree with the story. The factor that makes this even worse is that the people who *_do_* tend to just write their morality into their stories, also tend to not actually think about their moral framework very much, meaning their moral framework is often laden with flaws. It's not some grand conspiracy, it's basic-bitch moral absolutism. When you live a sheltered life it's extremely easy to grow up and never get a developed moral framework since you've never been presented with actual moral questions that you've had to think over. So, when you're then a moral absolutist and just write some characters as objectively correct or objectively incorrect, the result is the 'backwards morality' that many modern shows and movies have suffered from lately. 'Subversion' is the scape goat they use, but the reality is they just don't understand the thing to begin with so can't do anything *_except_* "subvert" it since they don't even know what "it" actually is. For instance, imagine a hero stabbing a villain in the back and they break down into tears about how they've once again failed the people they care for, who took them in and always helped them, even when they've only ever been a burden on them, only to use their dying gasps of breath to reach their friends and give them final parting words thanking them for helping them. Now watch MHA and realize that the hero doing the backstabbing isn't some evil Homelander-esque "see? The 'good guy' isn't actually that good now, *_are they,_* eat *_that_* subversion!", but an *_actual_* hero who was part of a sting operation. Yeah, the villain in question is the one preaching about loyalty and breaking down because they failed their friends meanwhile the hero in question is betraying them, but doing so in order to save everyone out of necessity. Wow, now you've reached actual moral nuance! On the one hand you have basic qualities of loyalty, forgiveness, trust, etc. that the villain values and the hero is flouting, and on the other hand you have the fact that if those qualities *_aren't_* flouted countless could die. To be clear here, I'm not using My Hero Academia as an example here because of weebery (One Punch Man is mid as hell at best and, while the Netflix Adaptation is gold, the One Piece anime is shit. There, I just pissed off all the weebs and probably need to clear out my mailbox before the death threats start falling out) but because it contrasts against the MCU excellently. MHA isn't scared of flouting hard absolute moral binaries, yet at the same time it does have a deep understanding and respect for the values that make the hero/villain dichotomy so appealing. In contrast, ladies, if a guy drives up and compliments you, you're rude to him, he approaches you and then tries to get your attention saying that he can help you out, *_break his hand, steal his clothes, take his motorcycle, and leave him in the middle of nowhere with no means of getting home._* Oh, and remember, if you're a soldier in an active combat zone fighting superpowered terrorists, chasing one down after they just helped execute your best friend in cold blood, as he's chucking solid stone pillars at your head, endangering civilians, and fleeing justice, remember, if you kill them you're evil and irredeemable and not fit to be a hero.

@robertbenson5831

5 ай бұрын

@@robonator2945 Interesting assessment, though if you put things in the perspective of the "Golden Rule" It becomes easier to understand the difference between right and wrong fair and unfair. A clear line so to speak.

@MarvinPowell1

5 ай бұрын

@robertbenson5831 Horrible people who live out of touch with reality in Hollywood, wouldn't know what morality is. Ironically, this has led to the recent phenomenon known as The John Walker Effect (named after the temporary white Captain America replacement from "Falcon and The Winter Soldier") where woke/amoral writers end up unintentionally creating nuanced, interesting, or heroic antagonists that most people root for over the protagonists due to the writers own backwards world view and them being real-life villains.

@AdityaMehra121

5 ай бұрын

Nah it's only woman, The Higher Evolutionary was evil AF, and to a lesser degree Kang

So wait her “redemption” story isn’t that she questions all the evil she’s been doing & realizes she’s in the wrong, but instead finds out who actually planned her dads death? Where she then flees & puts her remaining family in danger for her vengeance. Why are we supposed to root for her again?

@TheCleamOneArt

5 ай бұрын

She doesnt realize she's in the wrong, she puts her family in danger and gets innocent people killed all the time. She's arrogant, cocky and careless.

@ShadowPhoenix82

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheCleamOneArt yeah, I think you misread the comment. That's what they said. They're just asking why she is considered a protagonist.

@billylocke9633

5 ай бұрын

Because if you don’t.. you are a racist, ableist and prolly a lot of other bad things too.

@joecollas9942

5 ай бұрын

Woman of color 🧚

@Heroesfullyalive

5 ай бұрын

She doesn't investigate that though. She just goes to her hometown to be a dick to the rest of her family, do a couple of stunts to be a thorn in Fisk's side, only for Fisk to offer her his entire empire and let her kill him anyway. When she says no he takes her family hostage only for the little women to beat down all of the thugs, while Maya puts her hands on Fisk's forehead and "heals his past pain".

The only female protagonist I've ever seen where the "grouchy as a personality" thing worked was Katniss. And that's because we see the soft and protective side of her very early on through her interactions with her sister. Disney these days thinks they can give us the surly unlikeable parts without any of the humanization or empathy, and it just doesn't work.

@Annatar_Lord_of_Gifts

5 ай бұрын

Atomic Blonde was pretty good too

@Volcanic47

5 ай бұрын

Kristin Ritter Jessica Jones too

@ravissary79

5 ай бұрын

It doesn't help that she has perpetual FatieMcPoopFace...

@MrBigblack62

5 ай бұрын

​@@Volcanic47 I definitely felt where Jessica was coming from, the purple man was terrifying AF

@kathyp1563

5 ай бұрын

There is a long list of comedians, both male & female, who could do "grouchy, but lovable". In a drama, Katniss is a good example. Probably others out there. In other words, it could be done. However, Echo was an killer. Kind of tired of Disney wanting me to feel sad for their bad guys, anyway.

I think the main issue and solution is in the actress they chose. Marlee Matlin was deaf but managed to convey tons of presence and emotion in "Children of a Lesser God" and won an Oscar for that performance. This young woman goes through every single scene with RBF and nothing more. I don't know who greenlit her to take on this role, but they definitely need to have their credentials pulled, because they saddled up the wrong horse for this race.

@crakhaed

5 ай бұрын

Probably directing and writing played a role with what the actress had to work with too but her lack of experience definitely doesn't help

@plinyelder8156

5 ай бұрын

RBF?

@dallasalexander8112

5 ай бұрын

@@dynamotexanit’s facts cry about it

@leemonsampson1844

5 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤

@guitarhero8110

5 ай бұрын

She wasn't an actor prior outside of some high-school play stuff. There was a casting call for an indigenous deaf woman and she showed up and checked an extra box. The amputee aspect was added to the character after she was cast and obviously not much thought was put into it. All they had to do was watch the Punisher and see how they handled Curtis, but no.

I don’t understand how someone wouldn’t realise that their brakes were cut almost immediately as they started driving? I’m not a driver myself, but I was under the impression that drivers use their brakes quite often.

@moondawwg

5 ай бұрын

Yes! And why are you taking your child out in the middle of the night during a rainstorm miles away from the nearest town just to get her ice cream? What kind of parent are you? lol

@cconcepcion3353

5 ай бұрын

​@@moondawwgexactly the same thing I thought when I saw that scene.

@GH-ub7qz

5 ай бұрын

one that never leaned no...why the hero is evil...

@DrakeOola

5 ай бұрын

To start the car you have to put your foot on the brakes to begin with, and as soon as you turn the car on it starts rolling fowards even when you're not pushing the gas pedal because the engine has to be running at least somewhat for the car to stay on. You'd instantly notice that the car is rolling as soon as you turned the engine on and your foot is still on the brakes...

@GH-ub7qz

5 ай бұрын

@@DrakeOola lol...what?

Disregarding her ability, putting her as a jerk, or as they like to call it, "strong and independent", putting her family members at risk, the Mary Sueness (despite her disabilities, she was still a fighting prodigy WITH NO LOGICAL EXPLANATION aka disregarding her copy abiloty) and feeling no remores nor the need of having any accountability for her actions is the perfect girl boss persona and the climax of their FAKE DEI. Pretty much this is the type of personality Disney wants to portray as the aspiration for every woman.

5:14 “None of my men have ever held their own like that…” Bullseye: 😡🤬

@johndurham6172

5 ай бұрын

💯😒

@cjohn64

5 ай бұрын

I feel this line came before Marvel Canonized the Netflix series. But it's not like the writers actually watch other Marvel content anyway.

It wasn’t racist before, but they FOUND A WAY to make it racist. She channels her ancestors like a generic Native American spirit walker. She’s supposed to imitate her opponent’s moves like Taskmaster, but doesn’t. Billy the Indian was RESPECTABLE in the Predator movie. He didn’t walk around talking about the great spirit or looking like Nightwolf from Mortal Kombat.

@mr.raptor6026

4 ай бұрын

How? 💀 They made it with the tribes input. Her story is just an echo comic and also they input their actual choctaw creation story. She is native they just went in-depth with her heritage with a different tribe and wrote it into that story.

@NoOneGetzOutAlive

4 ай бұрын

​@mr.raptor6026 maybe because it's corny and boring and no one fkn cares? Stick to the source material.

@NoOneGetzOutAlive

4 ай бұрын

​@@mr.raptor6026how muc Disney paying you?

So they basically took "All for One" power and threw in some magic Indian lore. Yeah...I'd prefer her comic powers.

@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769

4 ай бұрын

My Hero Academia has two trans characters in it, one good and one evil. I don't get how someone who can't handle this character being amputated could be ok with that

@nilajitsinha6561

4 ай бұрын

@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769which characters are you talking about?

@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769

4 ай бұрын

@@nilajitsinha6561 One of the members of the Wild Wild Pussycats and Magne and the creator of MHA confirmed this, it's not something fans are just deciding. I would think that since the Bud Light commercial is considered "woke", having a trans character in a show absolutely would be too.

Changing her powers was due to the fact that keeping her original powers would mean the writers would have to get creative. As we know the message takes precedent.

Lauren watches these woke movies so we don’t have too. She does it for us! 🙏

@komshobu2

5 ай бұрын

She does it for us, and for whom are you stealing comments,just to get a few likes? If you don't have mental capacity to think of something by yourself,don't comment at all!

@ValorDucky

5 ай бұрын

Well, she does it for money. But we still appreciate it.

@natemarx4999

5 ай бұрын

@@komshobu2 You really wrote all of that? Who hurt you? 😅

@KairiCorsey-xx1we

5 ай бұрын

Leap upon that grenade Lauren , she's doing our dirty work for us alll.

@jhamer18

5 ай бұрын

Tv show

I really liked the original Daredevil series.. I thought the writing and character development were top notch. The Page and Foggy characters were so well delivered and fleshed out. But as much as I liked it, if I even smell wokeism in a script I won't even bother.. and the minute I saw a green daredevil suit, and the reports of this echo series.. i was like nope. I am never going to even give it a chance. I'm sorry that you did, and I'm sure many should be thankful that you took that brunt to warn everyone.

@KenMasters.

5 ай бұрын

The biggest f**k up the MARVEL™ Cinematic Universe ever did was give full rights to Disney instead of Netflix.

When I heard about the power change I literally said "How much you want to bet that when it happens you hear the 'heya heya heya' with the drums beating in the background and the damn eagle screech?" After watching that clip I was right with the exception of the eagle screech. These writers are so damn predictable.

@Good_Boy_3000

5 ай бұрын

Disney showrunner: Well, the superpower of being able to flawlessly copy any moves of her opponents, past or present, it just seems kinda lame... We dont want our girlboss to have skills & perception to the point where they're considered a superpower. We want a mystic badass bossbitch that beats the big bad with effectively a Kendall Jenner Pepsi commercial straight to his mind. Thanks! I hate it!!

MCU's "Echo" is Maya Lopez/Echo in name only. They'd changed her powers (from the comics), her Indian tribe (from Cheyenne Nation to Choctaw Nation), and made her an amputee (which she never was in the comics).

@ChoyaGillieJr

5 ай бұрын

I got to ask? Is the actress a amputee or what?

What's messed up is, if what I heard from Ryan Kinel is correct, it's that the main actress isn't really much of an actress and they're just slapping her front and center of a poorly-written and poorly thought out Marvel show. She answered a casting call and gets to be the face of this series as her first non-high school acting role. I don't want to sound mean, but I don't think she's cut out of it, and I can see the amount of hate this show gets for its many problems, least of which are because of anything that could be considered her own fault, causes her to just quit acting all together. It has minimal action, it really doesn't warrant its TV-MA label, the signing is slow and for most viewers needs subtitles. There's also the changing of her power from being like Taskmaster to... being fairly racist as a stereotypical native character being in-tune with their ancestors. It's bad. They came up with doing an inclusive show first and couldn't give it much else when it came time to execute on making a proper show that people would willingly subject themselves to enduring. Hopefully the star doesn't take the criticism too harshly, and I hope critics place the blame where it deserves.

@achaudhari101

5 ай бұрын

Well this and Hawkeye were her first roles so she has a lot of time to improve her technique. Not all actors start off as being great from the get go and some worked at dead end jobs before taking that risk.

@soggybiscuit6098

5 ай бұрын

Literal diversity hire then

@Matt-wg3yb

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@achaudhari101actors take years honing their skills taking classes, small bit parts, improv training, broadway and off-broadway plays, small low budget Indy roles, so that by the time their big break comes they’re ready. Her lack of credits shows she’s woefully unprepared for the role and it shows on screen. I fully blame Marvel for setting her up for failure. It’s like hiring a 15 year old with a learning permit to drive a bus route in downtown LA or Manhattan

@pineapplepizza4016

5 ай бұрын

She has zero acting experience outside of this role. Same with Iman Vellani (aka Kamala Khan). Disney+ likes to hire actors and directors with little to no experience and it shows. Nothing against her personally, but I just don't think she's ready for a leading role. Plus, her fight choreography will suffer because of her disability.

@sincerelynotme3522

5 ай бұрын

@pineapplepizza4016 I understand that all actors have to start somewhere but this was not the move for the Echo actress. I fully understand why she took the role from her perspective but from Disney's, they set her up for failure. They do this often, they are going to use her as a shield from the criticism and make it her fault when really the blame lies with them.

I didn’t watch the show, but if Echo’s mom had the power to heal people/animals, why wouldn’t she have healed Echo’s ears so that she could hear???

They tried to elevate both the maturity and storytelling levels to those seen in the Marvel Netflix shows, but ultimately failed imo. They did a huge disservice to the character of Kingpin, and the overarching narrative regarding Echo’s mystical ancestry etc., had definitely fallen into farce by the end. Couldn’t have cared less about it. I swear… if these writers at Disney could, without looking even more ridiculous, they would make it so that women could asexually reproduce by mitosis or something and just do away with men altogether, coz that’s how diminished the role of stronger male figures has become in these productions.

Echo sounds like she's a cool character outside this horrific show

@darianstarfrog

5 ай бұрын

She was

@mrbojangles8133

5 ай бұрын

and the potential for a good show but then Disney squandered it, like they squandered the potential for other characters too

I didn't even know there was a Hawkeye TV series. One of those moments I'm glad to be out of the loop.

@Volcanic47

5 ай бұрын

Hawkeye wasn't that bad to be fair. I didn't like the fact Renner played support to the Bishop character, but at least she was far more likeable than Echo. Hawkeye and wanda vision are the only disney series I liked. They've only got worse since, and at this point I kinda hope Daredevil gets canceled as I dread to think what they gonna do with it.

@ShadowPhoenix82

5 ай бұрын

​@@Volcanic47 I agree, I actually liked Hawkeye

@MrPorquoipas

5 ай бұрын

It seems like Netflix did a better job with Daredevil, and even the less well-received Defenders series was superior, not the best though. Disney, in my opinion, performed poorly, especially after acquiring Marvel. I foresaw this outcome when the merger took place. Transitioning from Donald Duck to different genres, they struggled in creating superhero movies. LOL!

@GH-ub7qz

5 ай бұрын

he got replaced by a girl...like thor, luke, mando, Cpt marvel,

@SeanWheeler100

5 ай бұрын

@@MrPorquoipas Disney acquired Marvel in 2009, so they already owned Marvel throughout the MCU's success.

Echo's real powers can be described in this series as Plot Armor

@DrakeOola

5 ай бұрын

gurl power

@havocgr1976

5 ай бұрын

Yap they can do anything the script needs done.

The irony here is they managed to make an “Echo” character who doesn’t have the trademark mimic powers…and literally doesn’t even know what an “echo” is beyond the definition since she’s deaf 😂 I’d love to hear the mental gymnastics of a backstory to explain how this new “Echo” got her name…

Laurn you need to watch Hawkeye. For me it was the best example of a positive male image and showed family importance. Hawkeye and his wife relationship was great and him not doing what looked like he had to have sex with that young lady because it was so convenient too, made this series great for me.

@kryptkpr1

5 ай бұрын

so, just HOW did disney make Hawkeye that good but fail here? even though they were mainly making Hawkeye so that they can introduce Girl Hawkeye, the story it's self was really put together and fought against what psuedo wokeness there was. I wonder how many shows(I include movies here) are they gonna make before they have lost enough? Their "lessons" are, and will continue to, fail to find any purchase in pop culture because it is lesson first then story. Man, they are incompetent.

@kelvinjames7048

5 ай бұрын

@@kryptkpr1 good question!

@radrobd123

5 ай бұрын

I'll pass on Hawkeye. He was my least favorite Avenger. Oh, he can shoot arrows, let's put him in a team with Captain America (super strenth) ,Thor (god of Thunder), Iron Man and the Hulk. LOL. The fact that he didn't get a movie but a D+ series tells me everything I need to know

@kelvinjames7048

5 ай бұрын

@@radrobd123 it was good as far as values. It showed men in a good way.

I remember a time when writing was good. Introduce a badass villain, show the audience WHY they’re a badass villain with villainous intentions. Slowly reveal their backstory so the audience begins to understand the motivations behind their intentions. Then hit us with a flashback that breaks our hearts and makes us sympathize with them, after that comes their redemption arch. Finish by giving them a Vegeta moment, where they make a major sacrifice, not for the world but for one or two people particularly.

What are the odds of a born deaf mother having a deaf daughter? How does the family know about Maya's personality when they haven't seen or been in contact with her for 20 years? And how do people who have no reason to sign for 20 years pick it up like they have been signing everyday? Wouldn't signing be like speaking another language, where you forget a lot of it if you're not using it for 20 years. These are my questions for the series.

@KenMasters.

5 ай бұрын

And here is my question to MARVEL™: How TF did they stoop down to going from epic and bad@ss handicapped-heroes like *Daredevil, Prof. Xavier* and *Deadpool* … … to sh!tty-yet-glorified fanfic OCs like *Laura Bailey, Makkari* and *Maya Lopez* whom nobody asked for?!

This is why I'm so concerned about the new Star Wars movie that was just announced. If the creators of Echo weren't interested in telling a Marvel superhero story, then it's even more obvious that Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy has no real interest in telling a Star Wars story. Both projects are just vehicles for political propaganda.

Hi Lauren, I just discovered your KZread channel, so this is my first time responding to one of your your videos. I have a lot to say about Echo so buckle your seatbelt! First off, like many American families, my family also has lore of Native American ancestry. My Mom who was into Genealogy, she believed that we had a Choctaw ancestor. No. My Mother and Sister do not have special powers! I have been enamored with Choctaw Nation for decades now, and I follow them online. At one point in time, I actually tried to look for a Choctaw language dictionary. My Sister did a DNA test, and it turns out our "Indian" heritage is actually Indonesian. Oh well! I still love the Choctaw! I was beyond thrilled to hear the language spoken in Echo. To have an entire show dedicated to Choctaw people was wonderful! I would like to hope that some of the customs, games, and legends that we witnessed were somewhat authentic. That would be cool. Having a protagonist with handicaps didn't bother me, having a subtext plot of Sisterhood did not bother me. What bothered me was that all of this was so poorly executed! I want to give a shout out to actor Chaske Spencer who was excellent as Uncle Henry, and I'm always happy to see Graham Greene in these stories. I loved Skully, and Chula's interplay throughout the storyline even though it was indicated that their relationship was strained. The sub plot of family was okay. The fight between Daredevil, and Echo was interesting, and I think Echo would be a really cool antagonist as an antihero in future Daredevil projects. Loved seeing Charlie Cox in his horns again! What this scene reminded me of however was a tv comedy movie that came out in the 80's called Murder by Death. It was a "who done it" comedy that took place in a mansion with a whole cast of characters. One of the funniest parts involved a blind Butler as he welcomed the new Maid to the mansion. He proceeds to tell her that he is Blind, not knowing that she is holding up a sign indicating that she is Deaf. Part of the comedy was their lack of ability to communicate, and not knowing that lack exists. Back to Echo. I'm going to venture a guess and say that a bulk of the opening storyline that introduces the characters, and sets the stage ended up on the editors room floor! It was choppy at best. I never had a concept of time, when things happened , what year was it. I had to guess. They did a great job developing the nature of the relationship between the young Maya and Bonnie, but didn't introduce Biscuits, and Henry until her return. I'm left trying to figure out what was the nature of their relationship without anything to reference it from! Biscuits literally hugged her, and was thrilled to see her. Why? Biscuits, and Skully were the only likeable characters in the entire story. Now I want to talk about Echo herself. I understand that she is supposed to be an Antihero, that she is angry, and carries a lot of baggage with her, and that her story is that of a redemption arc. And some of that happened. Not well, but it happened. For a protagonist, she was the most unlikeable, unaspiring, uninteresting, boring character I could ever imagine. I didn't care about her. When we get to the conclusion of the story, I didn't feel any emotions over it, I was like "that was predictable" the only character that had an arc that made me feel good was Chula. she showed interest in patching things up with Skully. I liked that. When you have a character that is so morally damaged as Echo was, it's important to introduce a character that embodies a moral compas. None of that was there. Echo.....I didn't like her. Your observation about Echo's poorly defined power was astute. and I agree with you . She could have not had any special powers, and nothing in the story would have changed! Her powers are going to be whatever they need to be for the plot. Very poor writing. My conclusion is that Echo would make a great, and interesting repeat antagonist for Daredevil. Electra was liked that. It's clear that she can hold her own against him in a fight. He's Blind, she's Deaf. That makes for an interesting dynamic, but also, Matt Murdok is a practicing Catholic, Maya comes from a completely different religious background. I think that would make a cool conflict . I'm curious to see if Disney/ Marvel ever does anything else with this character. Thank you so much for putting on this video Lauren, and reading my post.

He thought the powers of, essentially, a copy-ninja were lame despite such a thing leading to some pretty well loved characters in anime. So he comes up with a girl who can cause herself and her granny to channel their dead, easily conquered ancestors, to fight the white man again, but this time not get trampled. Nope, that is definitely not one of the lamest powers and plots that I've ever heard of in my life.

Did any one at Disney have a positive father figure??

@enid9911

5 ай бұрын

The pill enabled women to lie about being on birth control. That way they made men fathers who weren't interested to stick around. Therefore we have now 3 generations of stepfathers who are often not respected by their step children or single momma households.

@personnenestici

5 ай бұрын

I mean, the families surrendered their kids to Disney exploitation, so no

3:57 Maya's powers are her hands glow in the shape of a spiral. Such cool powers....lol Of course they would change her powers to channel her ancestors. Only bc she's native American. Such a hard thing to come up with all on their own. Super cheesy.

@SeanWheeler100

5 ай бұрын

Why not come up with that for Kahorri instead of changing an established character?

@michaelll

5 ай бұрын

@SeanWheeler100 bc they suck. They aren't fans of the content either..they just want to push their own agenda.

Wow! Lauren has really upped her production. Humor completely void of all moisture, as usual (see review description, its perfect). The vintage clip of her own video from like 5 days ago, also, on brand. Okay, I'm going to go into this series with the mindset that it's really a comedy. I mean, the awkward fight scenes alone are worth the price of entry. The power to "shoot pretty good," the power of "slightly stronger," these are things that I need to see for myself. Thanks Lauren! We love ya, Papa Chen is gem, his optimism and generous nature are a welcome addition. ✌

the writers are only capable of writing personalities that they are familiar with....hence, all the extremely unlikeable narcissists and sociopaths! That's not a joke btw!

Disney should just sell everything they own to the creators of South Park. Let Parker and Stone parody everything and squeeze some actual entertainment value out of the whole big mess.

Now I understand why Vincent D'Onofrio was so hesitant to talk about the show's writing in interviews.

Haven't we all learned by now that if a woman has the look on her face that Echo seems to have at all times, she's a good person to simply avoid? That can't be good for a TV show's appeal.

I'm glad you focused on how unlikable she is. She is not nice. For studying under the Kingpin for so long she's also not very smart. What was the actual plan for taking over?? I guess her ancestors have a more liberal concept of Good and Evil. I would have given the power to her cousin Bonnie she was in a pretty rough spot and it wasn't her fault

The motorbike scene in the first episode where she falls asleep had me questioning the whole series from the start. How is there a horn from the truck infront who can't see her before she pulls out into oncoming traffic.

@moondawwg

5 ай бұрын

Her mom taking her to buy ice cream in the middle of the night during a rainstorm miles away from the nearest town is what made me question if some experimental AI is writing this garbage.

@richardp444

5 ай бұрын

@@moondawwg obviously your mother didn’t love you if she didn’t put your life in danger for your childish demands

@radrobd123

5 ай бұрын

@@moondawwg it would have made more sense if Maya was sick (fever?) and the mom was taken her to a doctor or hospital during a rainstorm.

Being deaf or an amputee aren't bad traits to have but you have to kind of do something with them. Daredevil is blind but that blindness equated to echolocation which makes the blindness make sense. Does her being deaf really add to anything? Does she get psychic mumbo jumbo or super vision? No? Then Maya gets assassinated by any competent assassin using stealth, (which is part of the job). Does the amputee trade off for a gun-leg? Sword foot? No? then she won't have toes to grip giving her bore balance. You can have these and they can be interesting! (provided the character isn't utterly detestable) but you do nothing with them! She wouldn't be fit to be an avenger with this disabilities. If she uses these disabilities as some sort of advantage I could buy it, but its just DIE which on its own is not interesting.

@ShadowPhoenix82

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. In there comics her deafness did influence her power, based on her sight. But here it's just a happenstance and her power instead leaned on her heritage. I don't think that's a bad thing, just unnecessary when the character was fine as is.

@Robusername01

5 ай бұрын

DareDevil echolocation was "superhuman", it was explained in the comics. Echo is just being the classic Mary Sue Disney protrays in dislikable women characters just to piss people off, like they did with Rey and Captain Marvel - so when the fans backlash, they can use the "you don't like it because you are sexist" card. Disney keeps destroying these franchises with their fake DEI agenda

@jonthehermit8082

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, seems like it’s still easy to sneak up on her.

@Andrew-fq7pu

5 ай бұрын

You don't even need stealth. She was snatched easily by incompetent trailer park tweakers who just walked up behind her.

@Andrew-fq7pu

5 ай бұрын

@@ShadowPhoenix82 It was necessary though, if, as I suspect, the show runner conceived the entire series as a vehicle for her wet dream scene of three physically incompetent women slapping down a team of armed, highly trained killers. Echo's physical power can't be shared. But her new, MCU tampon commercial powers can be.

Great point about the fisk reveal. Has there ever been a time where the audience knowing about the twist before the characters do has worked out? I guess to see it would involve spoilers but I'm curious

@MarvinPowell1

5 ай бұрын

They showed Fisk still alive because they had to pay the actor for all the episodes. Of course, a competent showrunner would've just made the death scene happen later, so you wouldn't need to have pointless filler with the actor and essentially pay him for nothing, but Disney doesn't have any competent writers left, especially in Marvel.

You will NEVER convince me that a fake leg girl limping around as a hitman and thug would get MANY kills when people can just WALK, not run, away

@TonyRudzki

5 ай бұрын

Oh, and deaf. A deaf hitman that has no idea if they're sneaking up on their victim quietly.

I can't wait to hear your review on Madame Web.

There was a British kiddie series back in 80s called Super Gran where a granny got super powers and fighting crime every week. So seeing the granny busting the Mafia brings back some memories of Super Gran.

@josephsalmonte4995

3 ай бұрын

I haven't even thought of that cartoon for 35 years but I loved it. Haha Thanks 👍

We went from Infinity War and Daredevil, to She-Hulk and Echo...

Quite frankly its amazing they managed to go even lower. I can't believe they found a new level of awful... well done Disney ! you're going to be bankrupt in a year.

The actress is actually an ampute and deaf. She did a great job.

A good 70's action film called "Rolling Thunder"(One of Quinten Tarantino's favorites)featured an amputee who turned his hook arm prosthetic into a weapon upon sharpening it & seeking revenge against those who destroyed his hand.

Can't she have powers that 'Echo' her ancestors of history? 😉 Her powers would be PERFECT for avengers training school for other heros to face their own selves to figure how to improve oneself

@yodieyuh

5 ай бұрын

She could have done that by echoing a person. They would be confronted with as close a copy of themselves as possible, and have to face themself through her. Every mannerism, every habit, every action and reaction.

So they changed her powers... where'd she get the name Echo...🤔 It aint cause she's blind... she cant hear!

@rrnonya5472

5 ай бұрын

DEI = Diversity, Echo, Inclusion... duh!

U got a new sub for putting your dads opinion on here. Actually brings a suprising amount of different context which just makes the video better overall.

Was Echo really a character well-known enough to warrant a whole series? Most of the superhéroe movies appealed to wider audiences than the fans who actually read the comics: Wonder Woman, Batman, captain America, , etc., were well-know enough to attract more than just comics fans, but Echo seems pretty obscure to anyone not already familiar with her.

Thank you for making the ultimate sacrifice and watching the trash that Disney puts out so we don't have to. I have never seen a company so actively try to destroy themselves like Disney is. The Disney I grew up with is dead and gone.

Echo's power is basically she has 1/2 the specialties of The A-Team.

@digfitness7598

5 ай бұрын

😂😂

Hiring an Amazon worker to be the main "hero" and then changing her from the comic character so it becomes this car crash. Peak Marvel 2024 and we are still in January.

@Bones-hq2tg

4 ай бұрын

Nao, Alaqua did great. Baby if she strip she can get a tip 'cause you like her just the way she are! If she's 'bout to strip and she's well equipped, can you handle her the way she are?

Makes you wonder how they even made Daredevil and Jessica Jones so well in the first place (i never finished DD if it got worse later)

@moondawwg

5 ай бұрын

DD is pretty great through and through. That show was made under Ike Perlmutter's supervision. Back then he would be in charge of Marvel TV shows and Feige was in charge of the movies. After the massive success of the MCU they eventually fired Perlmutter and Feige got in charge of everything.

did lauren get a new editor? i dont know if i like it yet

Thanks for your sacrifice Lauren. I'm so glad I can avoid any woke crap thanks to people like you suffering through it

They baited us with violent fights in the beginning to end it like this, crazy.

Has everybody forgotten about the Bionic Woman and $6 Million Dollar Man. Technically they had half their bodies replaced, so Echo is not the first.

Oh, I’ve figured out what her powers in the show are. Plot armor!

The sad part is that after watching all 5 episodes, I do see a kernel of a great, character driven drama about Native American people. I honestly found their lives and relationships and personal conflicts to be very endearing and touching. The only problem is that this is a Marvel film about a superhero and everything that moves the plot forward is the bad part. The A plot is terrible and it just left me longing to see this be a drama and not a superhero movie. The way it’s written, it was very obvious at least to me, that the first 20 minutes of the first episode was actually written to be the first season, but they decided to cram the whole first season into the first 20 minutes and make it a mini-series instead of a series. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Oh, and I thought that despite the bad writing, the acting was top notch, by everyone… except Ugly Kardashian who plays Echo… 😅 everyone but her was phenomenal.

@AlexMercer-kx8oy

5 ай бұрын

Nope, Alaqua is gorgeous and she did great. You were so wrong for so long; only tryna please yourself, yourself! Man, you were caught up in your lust, when you don't really want no one else, so no! You know what you did wasn't clever, but you and her were meant to last forever! So let you in and get another chance to really be her man! 'Cause when the roof caved in and the truth came out, you just didn't know what to do! But when you become a star, you'll be living so large - you'll do anything for her!

@darianstarfrog

5 ай бұрын

​@@AlexMercer-kx8oylol , dude, you ok? That's a big load of nothing there..why you simp ranting? 😂

Fight scenes look like I'm watching a beginner self defense class.

Is this Disney’s version of “Robyn Hood?”

I love how NOT woke you are and actually real.❤ please stay the course! Subbed

I managed to finish it. I've been made the designated reviewer amongst some people I know. I hated it, it was so.. difficult to even finish it; and that is only five episodes. The fact that it turned out so badly, and they released it anyway tells you what you need to know about them.

@crakhaed

5 ай бұрын

Hope you're getting compensated from your group having to put up with this lol

@dmhendricks

5 ай бұрын

I didn't watch it, but Disparu said the dialogue was particularly painful, pausing between each word they were signing and taking a long time to form coherent sentences.

Loved that red bull gag. You're so right about this feeling like the writers had other non-comic book things in mind, and just so happened to ue Echo to tell this other story about the power of indigenous representation

Echo had potential but the Story and Direction of this Show fell flat,it was disappointing but I do believe it can become better if they get better Director and Writer but we know that would happen so we’ll see if Season 2 improves if they continue with the Show

Sad thing is Echo in the comic is pretty good

It’s funny her powers are basically “all of them”. Also ridiculous the actress couldn’t be bothered to get in shape enough for the fight scenes.

Brought to you by Choctaw Resort and Casino. (Actual place.) The character of Echo is much more interesting in the comic and has different powers. Glad you enjoyed ripping up this show. I felt bad that I'd voted to have you review it. I did NOT vote to have you torture your dad with this, though. Maybe this show will inspire DC to do a Super Chief show. Go Super Friends!

The actor who played Fisk was amazing in the original daredevil series and it is genuinely heartbreaking watching his interviews promoting this show.

Hawkeye is the only marvel show that I actually liked. I love the combo of Renner and Hailee Steinfeld. I’ve gone back and watched it a few times since and still holds up. My vote would be give that one a shot- it’s not too many episodes either.

@LetThatStuffGo

5 ай бұрын

Oh, same here. Much preferred this show than the rest. The last episode is the only one bothered me. Anyway. They should have focused more on Hawkeye, as well as his past (similar to Arrow) with flashbacks to his past as Ronin and as a SHIELD agent with his wife. To think, we should have had Kingpin vs Hawkeye and Bullseye vs Hawkeye. ✌

@GodsgirlKate

5 ай бұрын

@@LetThatStuffGo didn’t love the last episode either, but I liked how they ended with her celebrating Christmas with his family. I’d much rather have waited and seen a well written second season (even though they tied it up nicely) rather than a poorly written/executed forced spin off.

I love the channel but please never do that ridiculous TikTok editing again, the background music made me envy Echo.

Echo is one hell of a character in marvel comics. She’s actually one my top faves. It’s sad to see they ruined her character. She’s also the first ‘Ronin’ character.

19:12 that's the face of someone who just crapped their pants, not someone who is about to battle to the death. No bloodlust.

AAAND she's also body positive! So many boxes checked on one character. Must be a new record.

@AlexMercer-kx8oy

5 ай бұрын

Nope, she isn't fat at all. Yes you know that she's your ex but can't two people reconnect you only see her as a friend the biggest lie you ever said you only see her as a friend you tripped and fell into her bed!

@SRMoore1178

5 ай бұрын

@@AlexMercer-kx8oy Yup, my mistake. Now we're having triplets together.

in the daredevil series kingpin was an absolute master criminal boss that his present would bring fear to everyone and being on anything less than good terms with him would mean instant death, but now they made him a soft hearted idiot. the real kingpin who killed his own father would crush her skull with her own prostatic leg after she shot him. they even destroyed maya's character, in the comics she was an absolute killer that could mimic and copy daredevil's moves, but now they made her a some dumb idiot character that yo can't even understand, even pity or to have any sort of feeling about her. you just can't connect to her. absolute piece of sh......t

@Antonio-ys5zd

5 ай бұрын

People still try and say this is the same Kingpin pulled straight from Netflix. I still call bullshit. This is not that Wilson Fisk. Fisk only loves Vanessa. That's it!

@killgoretrout877

5 ай бұрын

he hired her for a tax write off

I'm deaf and Hollywood never gets it right. Even CODA had a fair amount of bullshit. My all time un-favorite was Rob Lowe in "The Stand" playing a deaf character who lip reads with 100% clarity, even when they speak from behind him.

I remember people complained about Agents of SHIELD when it came out because now you have not only every movie to keep up with, but a TV show too. But jump forward all these years later, now you have 30 shows and every movie to watch in order to know who everyone is

@ag3ntar7

5 ай бұрын

and they keep coming out with bad shows and movies. im going to skip them all and maybe just watch loki 2nd season and maybe daredevil if it looks good.

my favorite part was when kingpin handed echo the one ring, and echo, having just finished decapitating daredevil, raises it high in her hand and proclaims, there can be only one DEI superhero! then everyone stood up and clapped. so stunning, so brave.

This whole woke disney thing is hilarious ! They just can't stop adding their ideology into everything they make ! After a few tries and failures you would think they would change their strategy. No. It's been years and it's getting worse. Indiana Jones , Star Wars , Marvel..They killed all of them. At this point i'm starting to think it's on purpose.

@achaudhari101

5 ай бұрын

Not really. Indiana Jones wasn’t woke in that sense.

@crakhaed

5 ай бұрын

Only just now? 😂 I admire your optimism and hopeful spirit

@barnabybot

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. You've got a load of frustrated feminists with a chip on their shoulders. They're just killing off the history of male characters to write a brave new world. They're seeing all the negativity as push back against change. Not that their stories absolutely suck.

How do people think comic book Echo is lame? Last time I checked, people love Taskmaster and their power is quite similar.

they should have considered looking at John Wick as reference. Wick barely had any words spoken in his movies yet still managed to tell a great story.

I feel like the premise of this show sounds actually seems interesting, if only everything disney touched didn't suck.

It amazes me that Disney always find a way to create even more Girl-Boss characters. Her superpower being summoning her girl boss ancesters souls, and let their souls haunt her FEMALE relatives to make them GIRL bosses, is beyond imagination.

You SHOULD watch Hawkeye, if for nothing else than the chemistry between Kate and Yelena. They're gold on screen together and it's a shame it doesn't happen more often In the MCU.

It wasn’t that bad. I’d call it mid. The ending was stupid but kingpin was pretty great

Ofcourse it will get a second season. Disney is on a legendary roll! No one has deliberately screwed up stories and put the out, more than them. We haven't seen them get only 1/4 of a viewer, and lose more than 1 billion on a single movie, yet. They have to reach those milestones.😂😂😂

What you said about the Kingpin reveal is exactly how I felt in Across the Spiderverse when we all already know Miles is in the wrong universe and we have to wait like 30 minutes for everyone else to find out…. It was legit just a filler movie…. I could do without it. It barely served a purpose other than setting up a third film. Clearly they only had an idea for two films and dragged out the first half of a second movie to make a it into a trilogy.

The problem was that i expected the maturity rating to mean sth ,but i noticed that if i had come in with a notion to enjoy the culture instead of the story i would have enjoyed it more. It was beautiful though.

Lauren yet again is taking one from the team, behaving like a true champ

What made it "woke" exactly? The fact that Echo is def? Or that she is a Native American and her family still believes in preserving their history? I just need to understand what is considered "non woke" these days.

@richardturner4074

5 ай бұрын

🤔

@Bronson-bh8lg

5 ай бұрын

Woke as it is used in today's terms is anything with a female as it's lead character. It's just a word people use to hide behind to support their specific agenda. Even if the word is never actually stated within ones review or reaction it's almost always included in the thumbnail and/or description of a video to elicit clicks and views. The name of the game is pander to your audience because it works. You have people in the comments that are mad about something that they haven' t even seen just because someone believes they should be. If Marvel's success or failure had a true impact on their lives then I could see an argument for it but it doesn't. It is true narcissism. It is nothing more than a feeble attempt to control a narrative for a property they didn't create, copyright and they don't own. This is exactly the type of manipulation that Hitler used to convince his people that the Jews were bad and people blindly followed him without question simply because he said so and that's exactly what many people in the comments here are doing.

@KD6-3.7.2

5 ай бұрын

yes. those things do make it woke.

@moondawwg

5 ай бұрын

It's woke because Disney wants us to believe that the fact that she's native american, deaf, and an amputee automatically makes this show good. When in reality the writing is so bad and the execution so uninspired I couldn't make it past episode 2.

@KD6-3.7.2

5 ай бұрын

@@Bronson-bh8lg The left created the cultural marxist paradigm of the oppression olympics totem pole/ identity politics based on sex, gender, race , sexual orientation, and disability. Then y'all wanna play dumb with your troll question "wHaT eXaCtLy dOeS wOkE mEaN?" lmao y'all know damn well what it means it came from you! it's not some amorphous term. Now it certainly has been used ad nauseam to the point that things that aren't woke are being called woke. It's funny that you mention "pandering to your audience to support an agenda". that's precisely what all these woke writers are doing. Pushing the concept of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" at the cost of the quality of the content with nonsensical and boring story lines. But from your asinine worldview you think "This is good I like this so it's not pandering. anybody who dislikes it is evil" lol. Regardless, there is your definition. identity politics and using media as a propaganda pill to shove it down our throats

I didn't hate Hawkeye, but why on earth am I meant to care about this spinoff of a spinoff?

The Reveal of Kingpin being alive early is because she actually shot him in Hawkeye Show so People have been waiting for awhile to see if he was alive but he his Kingpin so we know they’re not going to kill him off that quick

At least Maya did not cross her arms as much as Ashoka did.

If you had watched Hawkeye you would probably think Maya was pretty likeable in Echo. She was darker in Hawkeye. My only problem with Echo is it needed more episodes. The climax was too much rushed through.

Wait… so Maya’s uncle is Henry you look almost the same age? Huh?

It’s like Disney for the last few projects especially on Disney+ knows what they are making are gonna flop hence why the cameos by fan favorites. It’s like they at this point are only doing it for inclusion and diversity brownie points. I mean this character… she is a woman, Native American (POD), deaf, amputee, her powers comes from her Native American roots… surprised they didn’t make her gay. It’s like Disney just had a checklist and figured out to put as many diversity attributes as possible. Though like I said they knew this was gonna be crap on its own so they put in kingpin to attract people who rightfully loved the Netflix series, they had a cameo of daredevil for that same reason. Finally they end the series off with a cliffhanger for the daredevil movie so again people who are excited to see that film lured into watching this just so they can know how all the players of that movie are moved into place for it.

@MarvinPowell1

5 ай бұрын

She actually IS a lesbian in the MCU! They just cut the show down from 8 episodes to 5, so we never learn it. In the comics, the character is much better, not an amputee or physically disabled at all, she's Cherokee not Croctaw, and her power is to mimic people's fighting styles and outperform them at all, which makes sense with her deafness because she has heightened vision and hand-eye coordination due to being deaf. Like with Ms. Marvel, Taskmaster, She Hulk, and so many phase 4 and 5 characters, they pretty much got nothing right about Maya Lopez from the comics. And in the comics, she's still a D list character, down there with Shang Chi and The Eternals. Even Squirrel Girl, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist are higher tier characters than Echo.

Marvel died with End Game. Guardians 3 was their last hurrah