I’m sure I’ve seen this one before but i had to watch it again. It’s so sad without Michael nowadays.

Dr. Rees is a blessing to the world.

@stephentrueman4843

Жыл бұрын

Hard to believe he's over 75 years old and still going like this

Bill Rees should be interviewed on the MSM

Fantastic conversation! Thank you for posting it to KZread. I wish that more people could understand the concepts that William Rees is articulating. He is a great teacher!

Bill Rees is a great authority, from his own intellectual footprint, in effectively carrying the same torch as Bill Catton in the seminal Overshoot. He doesn't act out any drama, or promote any hopium or wishful thinking, but tells it like it is for those who want to listen. Impressive guy. Unfortunately, as Prof Rees reminds us, the collective wisdom of humanity is presently locked into the fatal cognitive bias that perpetual economic growth is the guiding model on our finite planet. No happy endings from following that dogma.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Fully agree!

@cynthiatheresasuzara2247

2 жыл бұрын

it's heartbreaking to think about what my grandchildren are going to go through because people want to go back to doing the “normal “ things again

@liamhackett513

2 жыл бұрын

Think of that other Canadian Jordan Peterson telling Orford Union students co2 is saving people's lives. He's way more well known than Rees unfortunately.

Prof. William Rees, Michael Dowd, and Connie Barlow, Thank you so much for this discussion about our need to reassume our roll in nature as caretakers of the environment. Nature has an economy. In nature we have all been paid in full in advance and our job, in nature, is to gain our sustenance without destroying the environment. The 'alien' that we are faced with is 'profit=income-expenses'. This economic model of our behavior is the core cause of man-made climate change. The only way I can see of reversing man-made climate change is to correct the dictionary definition of profit and create a new Global Economic Model based on this new definition: profit = our gratefulness and loving care for the environment and sustenance that it provides to all of us. It may already be too late to take this huge step, but it is never too late to try. My previous response to this video focused on the EPA as having a key roll in planning this new economy but Now I'm thinking that the United Nations would be the instrument for designing the new global economic model. Thank you for all of the book references. 💖

William Rees talks are always really good.

We humans shock our young generation constantly, advertising, internet, television even language has gone towards the shock effect. What kind of shock do we need to kickstart the new paradigm ? As longer, we exist in these conditions as bigger that shock has to be. Dr. Rees is a treasure for humanity, and minds like his will become the corner stones in our past doom society.

When the EPA first started I worked for a lab that was testing all the water sources iAlabama. I was way out in the woods when I ran into a fawn which was shaking out of fear and frantically looking for some brush to hide in.However the area had been clear cut and there was no hiding place. In the end I stood and watched the deer run away from into the absolute desolation. This is what we have down to our only home. Senseless. We deserve to be extinct more than the dinosaurs because we know better and Do not Care!

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Whether we "deserve" it or not (surely, Homo colossus does deserve extinction!) it's the most likely outcome.

@EmeraldView

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreatstory I would have disputed whether we deserved it or not, but after what's recently happened to me, with the betrayal by and vicious attacks by family members who I loved and have always had a good relationship with, because of their own selfish self-interest, and with the help of our 'system' I've concluded just in the last couple months that we as a species absolutely DO deserve to go extinct. The only ones I even stayed alive myself for have stabbed me in the back completely unexpectedly by me . Let it burn.

Fantastic discussion

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks...agreed!

Thank you Dr. Rees for an always illuminating and fascinating talk. Thank you for the hosts for putting this together and for the reference of Immoderate Greatness, which I have just ordered. I will start my PhD thesis on civilizational collapse soon and such literature is very welcome. All the best from Portugal

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful!

Excellent video. It's a damn shame it only has 2839 views as of now

@the81kid

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a shame. It's correct. If it had a million views, it would have to be completely vacuous. Nobody wants reality on the internet and social media.

William Rees is a genius!

This was very impressive. Thanks for all the reading suggestions

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

You're most welcome. If you've not already seen it, my latest two-part video series, "Collapse in a Nutshell: Understanding Our Predicament" has garnered 125,000 views in 12 days (a first for me): kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html / Please join us, if you're so led: postdoom.com/discussions/ I also recommend the "post-doom" conversations and resources found here: postdoom.com

"Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them or perish." --William Carlos Williams

Dear W Rees thank you to much for your explanation .- Really Homo Sapiens seems to be not prepared for facing the Ecological Chanllegers ahead .- The basic idea is grow until be feasible at any cost , so the cliff is just very close .- I prefer right now have a spiritual life , help other and help my self . believe in my own improvement .- Nothing to do globally for curbing the dark phenomena is unavoidable !!! No way out Good night

RIP Michael❤

Excellent.

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening

Terrific analysis of our state of being. KUDOS!

One of the best so far. Thank you for this series.

Advertising Industry is rarely mentioned because we are 100 percent engulfed in modern society driving this growth. I learned of your videos because of McPherson in2015, Daniel Quinn , etc. 👀

when I was a kid I immediately saw that rachel carson was right in Silent Spring [1952] and paul erhlich and james lovelock were right about population but they realized limiting population on a world wide scale might be difficult.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. I fully agree.

There's no incentive for those that can make a difference to do so, as the disconnect to the other and the environment is so profound. I doubt it's short sightedness, they know what they are doing, they are not dumb, they are greedy, callous and narcissistic. Thank you for uploading and sharing.

Wonderful talk!

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Suicide is painless, when you can pretend you are not doing so. Considering the lack of possibility that any meaningful change can or will be enacted I would rather not know. Like the date of my personal death.

Dr. Rees is fascinating to my mind. I found my mentor on earth.He is mu square peg in this round world. I’m so grateful and excited to do my studying for the rest of my life. His feet have left their imprint and impact on me. Thank you for giving me hope and more to grow! With my heart and soul I appreciate your support in my life experience. Jim Colahan

In my small circle of friends and relatives I have for decades been promoting the same concepts as those being explained by Professor Rees and others. Unfortunately,, it gets us nowhere, despite how much I want the discussion to take us to a solution or at least some effective action, because people are entrapped in their lives and modes of existence. They cannot break out. They need help and guidance from government, but it isn't there.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. If you've not already seen it, my latest two-part video series, "Collapse in a Nutshell: Understanding Our Predicament" has garnered 125,000 views in 12 days (a first for me): kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html / Please join us, if you're so led: postdoom.com/discussions/ I also recommend the "post-doom" conversations and resources found here: postdoom.com

@dwen5065

2 жыл бұрын

It’s another form of denial of death, in this case societal death. It would be hard to live day-to-day otherwise, just as it is with knowledge of our own personal demise.

EXCELLENT Goal and means of Post Doom efforts

The entire situation we (humanity) finds ourselves in presently is really not very difficult to understand or comprehend for anyone with an 'independent' mind. My observations of society over last 50 years has revealed something very interesting about ALL societies. I do not believe any married man, coming from the 'masses' with 4 or 5 children can ever appreciate or want to correct our present situation - why you ask? What is the priority of a married man with children? What? "My family first, above everything else it's my family first" - that is the ideology and thinking of the common man, goes back to the cave days. Despite the terrible predicament we are in every married man today still wants corporate growth to continue, regardless of the impact, at almost any cost. Natives living in Africa today around national parks think nothing of going into the parks and poaching wildlife to support their families - ask them if they care about endangered species when it comes to supplying food for their families! You are never going to convince a married man that sacrifice to save the earth is a good thing for his family - only catastrophe will convince him! This is what you are up against and is primary reason for the discrimination of Rachael Carson and all others you talked about, 'anti-growth = anti-social', it's a losing battle right from the start! I have a right and the experience to expound on such social issues as I have been unmarried and childless throughout my life by choice so I see much more than the man indoctrinated into system who has little choice other than being 'pro-growth' to survive. There will always be a few 'enlightened' people with resources that see the problem but they do not represent in any way the masses who ultimately will determine our future. The current leaders are so desperate they have MIT scientists designing a 'silicon blanket' third size of planet to block 'ultraviolet' rays from reaching earth. We currently cringe at a half dozen people dead in some remote part of the world today from a flood supposedly cause by CC? That is so out of proportion to what is 'really' going to happen in this century when migration reaches in the billions. Life is good if people are accountable - but that is not going to happen because the masses have always been brain dead when it comes to facts and reality! Masses always look for a Messiah to save them - and they think they have found one, his name is 'The Donald' - GOOD LUCK!

Dr. Rees's answer, '' I don't know how I am still able to do all these activities and where I get my energy from'', has an easy answer. I love what I'm doing. Love empowers.

Good chat ,,again , well done. To many people using all the earth thinking you can do this forever. No No No. Here comes the 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Get out those 🚀🚀🚀🚀 and off to Mars. Good lord. Shows how truly smart we really are. Love ❤️ your talks. ❤️❤️🌎❤️❤️

Jimmy Carter was defeated when he suggested putting on a sweater.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@grindupBaker

2 жыл бұрын

His advice would have been followed if he hadn't selected the Christmas sweater his mum gave him. He just didn't think the detail through.

Really excellent. Thanks!

Wonderful interview, so informative and inspiring.

It’s good we are talking about it. And people are hearing the information. It’s late though. Really late. 1980 would have been more appropriate.

Hello, Michael. There are about 6 or 8 detailed comments I would like to make about this video together with your wider effort, but I don't want to hit you with them all at once. And so, I will start with what made me think I should contact you. That was when Bill, Connie, and you were reminiscing about the time of the publication of "Limits to Growth". It suddenly occurred to me that you three might be interested in my experience at the same time. This I reveal as part of a LONG playlist on my KZread channel called "Hydra in my Head". It represents a different enough perspective that I think it might be of some use to you. I made the 20!!!! videos in a personal effort to sort things out in my mind -- things that YOUR videos deal with. Rather than take up more space here, I will simply give you the link to the playlist and explain that videos 5 and 6 (Hydra stalks and attacks) are the ones closest to what you three were discussing. If I hear back from you, I will gladly go on with my other comments. In any case, keep up the good work. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYZ-1dGllJPXgpM.html

You talk about steering the planet. It is about time that we got our hands in the wheel and started steering away from the Abyss!

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Too late to steer the planet, unfortunately. See here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html and here: postdoom.com/discussions/ and here: postdoom.com/resources/

I think that if all this energy and effort about protesting and various symposiums go into academic reform, where focus should be on multi disciplinary aquiremant of knowledge not strictly specialisation, in side of any subject of study not just inside of different fields of study, where students occasionally exchange with each other different views from their fields of interest as process of study not as sort of voluntary need for understanding more. That would lead to broader understanding of complexity of issues we face. And all this amongst those that aquire knowledge for change. Eventually to establish multidisciplinary scientific centar for dealing, not just climate change, but civilisation crisis as such, which is open to all to participate or aquire knowledge from it as students from many fields of interest.

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Too late IMHO.

Back in the 1970's the talk was about "zero population growth."

@grindupBaker

2 жыл бұрын

Well that certainly didn't pan out, not even close. That's one of Bill Rees' here points about how humans are stumbling into brain-dead planetary overshoot & collapse.

Spot on

Knowing you are Right!, is excellent for maintaining metastable balance, as long as the idea doesn't extend beyond your skin. It is the default mechanism of a universe of Superspin Modulation Mechanism circulation that exists by "parasitism", flipside of i-reflection containment state(s) of singularity-centered "Self", floating in/on No-thing, the experience of Black-body blank space when in Meditation, Mindfulness is no personal self.. (headspinng made relaxing) For example, it is very subtle, and all pervasive to make a statement like "I certainly don't disagree" because a position of Agnostic neutrality means that the double negative denialist strategy implied in the statement is absolved of responsibility for whatever thoughts you do not agree with or understand. This is the primary "substance" of making a (non) decision by default logic that Lawyers use, (..in absentia?). Decree or Declaration etc. Tort Law definitions of disagreement by default are equivalent to Mathematical Disproof Methodology applied to amorphous perceptions. Technically, the Uncertainty Principle dominates and applications of legal opinions are examples of Artificial Intelligence, in Act-uality policy isolation.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

No idea what you're trying to say here, David, but if you've not already seen it, my latest two-part video series, "Collapse in a Nutshell: Understanding Our Predicament" has garnered 125,000 views in 12 days (a first for me): kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html / Please join us, if you're so led: postdoom.com/discussions/ I also recommend the "post-doom" conversations and resources found here: postdoom.com

This is a great lecture. Given we are up for extinction too, we will resist and also divest from industrial civlisation, idiotic economics and the immoral industry till we all go.. It's more or less finished, industrial civilisation.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@AudioPervert1

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreatstory

@thegreatstory

Жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 Curious...have you seen my latest, and IMHO, my best? kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5l4xdSehqyyhKg.html

Population as a whole isn't the problem. It's the concentration of populations into cities. Cities are literally hierarchical civilization and ponzi scheme economies incarnate. Moreover, the only reliable aspect of human 'nature' is that we are cooperative. It's the cultural systems that we choose to adopt among ourselves that harnesses this cooperative impulse to either sully environment or channel our ecosystems for our survival. Murray Bookchin, which none of your guests, among those I've heard so far, ever cite this man's work in anarchism/social ecology. It's a shame, because Rees's conclusions are all in line with what he wrote, but there's no mention of him, nor his inspiration--Peter Kropotkin. Both of these men had wonderful ideas that could help clarify even further what must be done. Exponential growth of resource extraction/population growth/environmental degradation is a direct result of what Donella Meadows referred to as a system leverage point. That leverage point among humans has become the system of valuation of our productive power--our monetary system. The basis for our monetary system and the insatiable appetite for growth comes from usury (unearned/unproductive income in the form of interest and rent). That's the leverage point that must be removed (repudiated in a cultural sense) to get out of our ecocidal/suicidal rut. We are less creatures of habit, and more of creatures of cooperation. The elites have adroitly harnessed our cooperative impulse through usury (the debasement of how we value our labour). The threat of violence through law enforcement is only a secondary cause of what drives human activity, the primary cause is our own innate nature to harmonize and cooperate with each other. The fringes of society (the punks, the outcasts, the hobos, the hermits, the outlaws) understand that our current society is poisonous and that prosperity and (a degree of peace of mind) can be attained by not cooperating within the system. These fringe elements should be honoured. Repudiate usury, eliminate all debt (big and small), and make use of the land in a way that our ancestors would want us to.

@thegreatstory

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all this!

They used to say that population control was best achieved by the education of women.

@andy-the-gardener

2 жыл бұрын

educated women tend to have fewer kids, later. but they also have higher carbon footprint, cancelling out any good having fewer kids would do. lefties get muddled up with the education and higher standards of living (as in the west) is good, argument. they say the environmental predicament is caused by consumption not population. but then claim its good to make people rich and consumerist so they have fewer kids, thus contradicting their first argument. fact is, its both population AND consumption (affluence and technology). I = P x A x T. everything humans do, ie human existance in general, is basically the problem.

@grindupBaker

2 жыл бұрын

@@andy-the-gardener Yep

"Birthed in language" Thank you so much for giving birth

The problem is not the species, but our mode of organization. The responsibility lies squarely with the discipline of economics. Beyond it’s objectifying and anti-social formulation, it insidiously divided individuals while making them insecure and dependent on markets for short-term survival. Therefore everyone has a personal stake in directly or indirectly extracting from nature for profit, and rightwing ideology (sometimes left) can point to growth as necessary for human dignity. This fusion of the material and moral in a pseudo-scientific paradigm is just so deeply destructive. Economics turned humans against themselves by turning individuals against the group. And we have no recourse, our legal and religious traditions are individual human centred. The absurdism of dying for a simple problem that is practically unsolvable is hard to process.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

I see the issue as anthropocentrism vs ecocentrism, nothing more, nothing less.

@Rnankn

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreatstory I think that captures it in the most basic sense. But the consequences run deep, to our most foundational beliefs. I just don’t see anyone in a leadership position even suggesting to the public that we have to see the world differently, and redesign everything without ourselves at the centre. As it stands the lowest common denominator will remain the status quo, and that’s a huge problem…

Not quite post yet

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. :-) See here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html and here: postdoom.com/discussions/ and here: postdoom.com/resources/

So we ought be glad that Covid will keep producing new and deadlier variants.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

Sure. Glad and grieving can go together just fine.

Koyaanisqatsi

More doom and gloom been hearing this all my life,Nature will reset it has done all through the earths history.

@dickhamilton3517

3 жыл бұрын

not much fun if the 'reset' involves almost everything dying and then taking several hundred thousand years to get started again, without us.

@nemadjihermit

3 жыл бұрын

Nature bats last.

@coolworx

3 жыл бұрын

@@nemadjihermit Nature won't have to bat last. We're the visitors, losing in the top of the ninth.

human choice decentralization, God's kingdom central authority

Our present Global Economic Model GEM is incapable of surviving any efforts to correct man-made climate change and such efforts will at best fail or at worst, will be the last nail in our collective coffin. Technological changes are sorely needed, but the primary problem is our misbehavior towards the environment. That misbehavior is described by the following equation: "Profit = income - expenses". The problem with "Profit = income - expenses" is that the entire environment is on the expense part of the equation, and that includes us. Businesses want to eliminate expenses; thus, "Profit = income - expenses" is a recipe for the destruction of the environment and all life on earth. Our current definition of profit is the cause of 'overshoot', and overshoot is the cause of man-made climate change. We need a new Global Economic Model GEM that supports a new definition of profit. How about this definition: "Profit = our gratefulness and loving care for our Environment, and for the sustenance that it provides to all of us." Clearly, this definition of profit does require a new GEM. Please bear in mind that this definition of profit does away with expenses. In nature's economy we have already been paid in full, in advance. Our job in nature is to acquire sustenance without going into Overshoot. The central part of the new Global Economic Model should be the EPA. EPA members will vote on the best 'Profit' definition that states sustenance is our only actual 'gain' without which we can't live, and states that the environment is our only source of sustenance. Once the new GEM is designed, we will need a way to transition to its implementation. The new EPA in its new GEM will establish, by vote, all directives related to both, the GEM and climate rescue strategies. The following ideas would all fail in our current Global Economic Model, but under the new GEM, here are some rough ideas of what the EPA directives might be: 1.) Population: Initially we need a temporary one child per family directive. This would last about a year, and the next 1 year restriction would occur five years later. 2.) In place of income, jobs would have an 'equivalency rating'. Some jobs are still more important and more difficult than others. 3.) All equivalency ratings will increase at the same time if and when the environment becomes healthier. The lowest EquivRate must still be livable. 4.) Everyone who can work will be able, and required, to get jobs. No more expenses, so no more cutting jobs to reduce expenses; thus, virtually no more homelessness. 5.) No manufacturing of useless and unnecessary products. All products will be scrutinized by various rating methods. 6.) Whenever possible products should last a lifetime and or be easily upgradable, so we don't buy the same products repeatedly. 7.) EPA will direct "Work Force Flow". Example: Shoe manufacturer will produce 100yearLife shoes for 3 years, then reduce output to about 1/10 of full capacity, and the majority of shoe employees will be shifted to other work assignments by the EPA. Employees still keep their EquivRate in-between jobs. 8.) All recyclable items will be recycled. All stores like wal-Mart Target etc. will carry both recycled and new products. Recycled costs far fewer EquivRate credits. Items that can't be recycled as is will be reprocessed for other purposes. Virtually nothing gets thrown away. 9.) We must all be educated, especially young students, about how to manage the new Global Economic Model and the environment. 10.) Caretakers of the environment will receive higher than average EquivRates. 11.) We must do away with neoliberalism, a political approach that favors free-market capitalism, deregulation, and reduction in government spending. I know that this is just a rough outline of what we must do, but it's a good starting point. This is our Ark. Please help build it! Questions, suggestions and any comments for or against this idea will be very deeply appreciated. Thank you! 💖

With the weight of the subject matter I don't really care about individual stories. Isn't that what got us here in the first place? Please cut the stories and give us the fucking turkey. We all have dumb narcissistic stories that should be kept to ourselves.

I also learned a great deal from, and have been guided by, Catton. Overshoot is so fundamental that one can hardly be left with any serious doubt or confusion after reading it.

@thegreatstory

2 жыл бұрын

YES! On a related note, see here (80,000+ views in just over a week): kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2p6xbCgf6u_n9I.html and here: postdoom.com/discussions/ and here: postdoom.com/resources/