Here's what I love most about Syril: 1) He feels authentically human. His decisions & demeanor make sense from his pov. 2) I LOVE THAT I DONT KNOW WHAT HE WILL DO!!! It's so refreshing to have cognitive dissonance & nuance in Star Wars

@brianschlicher59

Жыл бұрын

I did like how you could see him tearing up when fired and forced to move back in with his mother. Syril is in a bad place, and who knows how he will react! Really great writing.

@ellicel

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. I love that we understand his motivations even though we don’t really know him. At once I can get where he’s coming from and also really want to know more. I can follow his logic and the decisions he makes based on his pov. It’s why even though he is just as dogged in the first few episodes as Riva was in her corresponding introduction, he makes so much more sense to me. Plus, I love that we see evidence of his vulnerabilities and insecurities and can feel for him even while still wanting Andor to get prevail. After this, even if he becomes an irrational monster bent on revenge, I’ll still always have some sympathy for the ideological, eager youth who so desperately wanted to do the right thing.

@clementcastro9725

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. With that face of his it's easy to write him as Hux 2 but I feel like these writers have something good in store

@creed8712

Жыл бұрын

@@clementcastro9725 I mean the difference between them is apparent and the intention I think is to portray somebody who’s going to be radicalized while Hux is like somebody born into an ideology and says words without understanding their meaning which is ironically a good character beat but also not portrayed well in the fact the first order is unintentionally that

@captainuseless2120

Жыл бұрын

@@ellicel Exactly. Syril Karn only had around 30 minutes of screentime for this entire show, yet in that small amount of time, they've made him one of the most relatable villains in this franchise, just through damned good writing. When you are really interested to keep following the bad guy, even when he is a threat to the protagonists, you know they've made a good character. I'm super intrigued to see where his story goes from here.

Syril arriving at his moms place broke my heart.

@Raygo.

Жыл бұрын

For real, I've been there too buddy. 😔

@brianschlicher59

Жыл бұрын

Funny you mention that. I hate Syril just because he is chasing our hero, exceeded his orders resulting in more death and destruction, and froze when he needed to leave. All that said I do feel sorry for him seeing how far he's fallen. He is really in a bad place right now.

@diinouhothead9362

Жыл бұрын

I love that scene, with the neighbor watching the entire thing, and his mom tells her "dafuq u lookin at?"

@MrDude826

Жыл бұрын

@@diinouhothead9362 LOL! Nosy Coruscant neighbors.

You really going to ignore how chief inspector Hine completely solved the case within a minute of reading the file? Like he figured out exactly what happened between the officers and andor? He wasn't incompetent, he probably had a better sense of justice than Syril. Why chase down a man who was defending himself and lose more life over it?

This guy is definitely going to join the ISB or something. After seeing what the rebels had done to his men, he probably wouldn't forgive them one bit, and he would probably want to find a better career where he can get closer to Andor, the man who started it all, at least in his eyes.

@Jooshyb

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, the girl in the ISB would probably be very interested in what he has to say about the situation. She does trust her intuition after all

@Raygo.

Жыл бұрын

@@Jooshyb Good call, both of you. The blonde ISB lady will be contacting him I'm sure, that'll be his way back into the action. I expect to see him in pursuit of Andor, doubling down on his empty ideals and burrowing deeper into the dark side.

@scooble

Жыл бұрын

Alternatively, if he believes in what he is doing is protecting his home world, then finds out that the Empire is exploiting his planet, it's people and it's resources for its own end, regardless of consequences, he may turn to the rebels after realising he's been fighting on the wrong side. His conscience would make an interesting arc as it changes allegiance from one side to the other.

@NETBU

Жыл бұрын

@@scooble his home world is Coruscant not ferrix

@scooble

Жыл бұрын

@@NETBU ah, ok. Thanks

I wouldn't be surprised if he and Dedra, the female ISB officer, team up. She properly still wants to find out how that Starpath-unit got stolen und might recruit Syril due to his experience with Andor. Both seem to apear they want to do their job properly despite what others tell them (be it ambition or the wish to do their duty). But how this will turn out is an entirely different matter.

@vinoce

Жыл бұрын

i think you are 100% right! i've watched some interviews with Syril's and Dedra's actors, and it is heavily hinted that they are going to work together

@happychappy492

Жыл бұрын

agreed that's exactly where I see this going , I love this new Star Wars so refreshing from what we have been getting previously

@mattjones3217

Жыл бұрын

I suspect Dedra will read Syril's reports, and seeing as he is currently on Courscant, she will request that he meet with her. From there she will realize he is competent and motivated enough to be a field agent and offer him a position in the ISB.

@larryfoulkeofficial8609

Жыл бұрын

This aged well

@ratzfatz6880

Жыл бұрын

@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 Not gonna lie: It was a surprise. Both are ambitious but in their own unique way. So they can't see each other on the same level.

Hine wasn’t incompetent at all. He knew what happened. He broke down the whole scene.

@MrJustwatchin9

Жыл бұрын

Right. And he also wanted to keep the empire from taking over their sector which is why he commanded syril to corroborate a story in that way.

@russgilbert

Жыл бұрын

And he knew he only had bad options. Not only did the direct attack on Andor fail and bring in the Empire, it got like a dozen people killed and injured.

@Pabloski483

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i would call him more pragmatic than anything

I actually think the negligence of the cheif inspector in somewhat wise for the corporate profit interest. They are a corporation after all. I think the deputy inspector believes in justice and justice isn't the job of the corpos. It's to maintain control. People on Ferrix commented about how they hadn't seen blues in a while and the massive Civil unrest to me is an indication that the corporation tries to stay as hands off as possible so as not to stir up unrest

I’d like to add a third option for Syril Karn… bounty hunter. I feel like that would suit his sense of justice, fanaticism for hunting down perps and also his slight rebellious streak

@pyeitme508

Жыл бұрын

Oh ok

@indianajones4321

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I could see him starting like some kind of PMC to enforce his sense of justice for the Empire especially after he lost his job to the ISB. Perhaps he could get Sergeant Tactical Blueberry and his old Corpo squad together and be contracted by that female ISB agent who wants to know about the case with Andor’s stole Imperial tech.

@ProdCritic

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your perspective, personally I feel like episode 3 could push him one of two ways. Either he will embrace the fear and push on ahead going towards bounty hunter like you said or (more interestingly imo) recognize his own delusions of grandeur and join the empire only to then ultimately betray them once he finally overcomes his insecurities. Ultimately I will accept whatever the show decides because I trust the writers no outcome could dissapoint me

@glent5659

Жыл бұрын

He's too white to become a "good guy" in woke Disney Star Wars.

@Rikki442

Жыл бұрын

@@glent5659 Well aren't you feeling threatened today? Still pining for the days when Star wars was 99.9% white, eh?

I am betting he will become Empire. However, I don't see him as a "bad guy ". He seemed to believe he was doing the right thing. His uniform alterations show pride in his performance.

@ellicel

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I think he would be the type to feel responsible for the death of those under his command. He’s going to want to devote himself passionately to righting that wrong and to being the kind of officer who can protect his subordinates. I could see him working well with that lady officer. Perhaps she somehow learns of his involvement and seeks him out to get info officially denied to her. In that way we’ll have two young men, Andor and Syril, being mentored in two very different causes. We’ll watch their development and growth, knowing there will be an inevitable rematch. I can’t wait to see what they do with this character!

@TheNewFlutist

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's awesome that he feels like a protagonist rather than an antagonist. We can actually root for him

@SuperMasterTurtle

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNewFlutist I wouldn't personally root for him, but I can understand why he is the way he is.

If Andor is an "antihero" then Syril may just be an "antivillan."

I would argue that the Chief Inspector was not incompetent, he was being a realist. He knew exactly what kind of Imperial response Morlana would get if the corp sec wasn't up to par. He also gave some very good reasons as to why Karn shouldn't pursue this investigation, especially regarding the circumstances of the situation and the timing at this exact moment with the pending review. Karn then disobeys direct orders and makes the situation 100x worse for corp sec and basically destroys their organization. GG.

@ClanWeirWolf

Жыл бұрын

One Could argue that the Chief Inspector is incompetent for letting things get to that point. Remember the whole work atmosphere of the organization, everyone is acting more like rent-a-cops and that attitude would be set by the Chief Inspector. Notice how all the uniforms are saggy and almost seem ill-fitting, no one seems to be taking the work seriously. This could lead also corruption and unlawful behavior. The only one who seems to want to be professional like Syril is Sergeant Linus. If the Chief Inspector had set a higher standard, maybe those two officers wouldn't had tried to pull that stunt on Cassian. Or if those two had acted regardless it wouldn't have looked so bad on the organizations part with everything/one acting at a higher standard and them looking into the incident instead of trying to sweep under the rug would give them points.

@cd5sircoupe

Жыл бұрын

@@ClanWeirWolf Nah. Chief Inspector is what exactly it sounds like, he's not the CEO of the corporation who dictates their policy. He knew what was good for the company, being in his position, and that was about it. I doubt he was in charge of hiring too, those scrubs that died in the first episode were likely long standing issues that were beyond his scope of influence. As is common in scifi/fantasy, corporations are almost always portrayed as corrupt. Who is to say that this one guy was the problem? He was a cog in the machine playing by the rules he was given. Seemed like a keep your head down & don't make waves kinda guy to be honest.

@kirkdarling4120

Жыл бұрын

@@ClanWeirWolf Well, they /are/ rent-a-cops.

@ClanWeirWolf

Жыл бұрын

@cdsircoupe True, but in a way that is being incompetent. Just ignoring the issue or shrugging your shoulders, pretty sure he had authority to reprimand them or even fire them seeing as he in charge of the entire precinct it seemed like. Which is a decently high position. Also pretty sure the CEO didn't hire those two directly, usually decent sized companies have a hiring department.

@cd5sircoupe

Жыл бұрын

@@ClanWeirWolf FFS guy, I didn't say the CEO hired those two dingbats, I said he set corporate policy. No shit they have a hiring department, that's what I implied. The CI wasn't accountable for them being hired in the first place, and I'd assume based on their implied history that they have a prior record of incidents they couldn't be fired for, most likely due to space unions or some other shit. The fact that they got killed and no one aside from Karn cared probably speaks volumes as far as their character. Karn was the rookie who played by the book. The CI was the guy who's seen it all and is jaded by reality. You ever been a cog in the machine and forced to do shit you don't like? That's where I see the Chief Inspector was stuck at. He's basically middle management where he has some authority but has to answer to big wigs. CI is the realist while DI is the idealist.

It’s figures like him that make me like anodor. The power struggle in the ranks of the empire. Conflicts like his. Making empire soldiers/officers seem more like dumbfold bucketheads used as target practice for the good guys. I like abdor. I’m very happy about how this show is narrated. Reminds me of the first three episodes of the mandalorian. Really excited of what is to come

@DronePhotography-yh5kr

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. I hate seeing the imperials look like stupid, incompetent, idiots. It really lowers the stakes of the show.

Defintively think he will be radicalized and join up with the Empire. He's very much about order and probably wants revenge after seeing most of his men die

Hello friends welcome back to another episode of Generation Tech my name is Allen

@GenerationTech

Жыл бұрын

Thank you I forgot that part 😆

@tucker0214

Жыл бұрын

😂 I got you

@pyeitme508

Жыл бұрын

@@GenerationTech wow

What I love is he started out as an Arnold Rimmer type of character, but this point he's been tested, his naivete has ended, he has guilt and rage, but also something else now. Yes he can go any direction, but his actions will probably give focus to events as they unfold. I really enjoy his character.

This character has elements of Inspector Javert from Les Miserables and/or Ahab from Moby Dick, whose obsession and a bruised ego leads to tragic events. I can’t wait to see what happens with Syril but I can’t see him joining the rebellion.

@GenerationTech

Жыл бұрын

Now I want to see Syril Karn sing Stars 🤣

@CarltonYoung

Жыл бұрын

@@GenerationTech Andor the Musical? 😂

@brandonmadigan7523

Жыл бұрын

It's funny I thought Javert and valjean myself but realized Syril is way better because he actually has a valid reason to pursue Cassian whereas Javert had a loaf of bread.

@darrencobb5036

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking more of Commodore James Norrington from PotC

@selbalamir

Жыл бұрын

Ahab is a good comparison

Karn, "I will end this man's (Andor) career." Agent Kallus, "First time?"

The fact that he got more screen time after the escape definitely means we haven't seen the last of him. I think they want to frame him as one of those people who likes the presumed order the empire provides the galaxy, having been indoctrinated from a young age. Optimistically, he's already beginning to see how inefficient the empire is, so the cracks are forming. But I can also see him being crushed under the weight of in order to get ahead in that world you just have to succumb to the pressure. It would also be more creative writing to have him because a villain, because we don't want him to, and yet we know so many people in this galaxy far far away have and will continue to do so.

@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk

Жыл бұрын

Eh, the way he is represented so far makes me think he still holds the empires values to heart and actually wants to enforce them even more. He will see the corruption within the empire and probably want to clean it up from the inside. Atleast that's more of the type of arc I'll see for him. He will probably end up working together with that ISB chick who's name I forgot.

@theempiredidnothingwrong3227

Жыл бұрын

The sheer fact he could go either way and the audience isn’t sure which way he’ll go but wants him to go one way but is worried he’ll go another demonstrates how well written the character is. Less screen time then every sequel character and his character arc is already 10 times stronger and 10 times more interesting. And all they did was create a believable human being.

@DeclanOReilly

Жыл бұрын

@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk "Eh, the way he is represented so far makes me think he still holds the empires values to heart and actually wants to enforce them even more" Personally I see him as needing the Empire, he needs rules to govern himself and remind him that he is on the side of good.

@NETBU

Жыл бұрын

where does it imply that e has been indoctrinated from a young age

@captainuseless2120

Жыл бұрын

@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 You hit the nail on the head. Good writing makes all the difference in the world, and when this one secondary character who works for the bad guys is more well liked and interesting than the entire ST cast with a fraction of the screentime, you realize how bad Disney dropped the ball.

I really hope Syril Karn joins the Rebellion it would show great character growth and development from him.

@ulyssespulido9556

Жыл бұрын

Why? Not everyone needs that kind of treatment. It’s been overplayed and honestly I just want to see someone just stick with or go to the Empire.

@thomasalvarez6456

Жыл бұрын

We’ve seen half a dozen characters join the rebellion since Luke, it’s boring.

@MrJustwatchin9

Жыл бұрын

He definitely joins the empire. The most recent trailer shows it and hints at him being a bigger antagonist to Andor . He’s in a dark uniform and says Andor is the single greatest threat to the empire. So he dabbles deeper into the dark. And I’m on board with that

@jellyfish828

Жыл бұрын

He gives me more empire vibes

@AlbinoKneecaps

Жыл бұрын

Im bored of the "rebellion good guys: and "Empire bad guys" trope. I want to see more morale ambiguity, how the Empire isn't just all massacre Civilians, slavery etc. and how the rebellion isn't all good guys defeat bad guys and win the day, but terrorist attacks with civilian casualties and how it affects everyday life for people.

Sorry Rex, I think Syril Karn is hands down my favorite Star Wars character, at least right now. I see so many, similarities between him and myself. - Handicapped with extreme social awkwardness but pushes onward ✅ -A strong moral compass ✅ -Dedicated to and takes pride in what they do ✅ -Questions why the the ideals and rules on paper are not being practiced ✅ -Wore and modified a blue uniform with piping. Mine was yellow, his is orange. My modifications were more practical and not noticable.✅

@geronimo5537

Жыл бұрын

As a former law officer myself. Syril was incredibly relatable. Right down to all of it falling apart and forced to move in with mom after having just lead people. Even the same discussion at the dinner table of the controlling parent. It was like watching my life played on the movie screen. Surreal and sad as it is. Doing the moral good thing in life just means you choose to endure the hardships that life offers is what I learned. Those that dont follow those morals seem live steady lives while hating themselves for doing nothing. Syril and I chose the first option. And it never seems to go away.

Excellent video, Allan! I think he was devastated by his defeat on Ferrix. He tried so hard to get Justice for his two dead men, only to be defeated at every turn. During his trip home after being fired, he seems to me like a man completely lost, with no view of the future. I agree he could join either force at this point. The Deputy Chief Inspector seems like the classic older officer, just passing time until his retirement, and doesn't want any undue stress disturbing his waning days in office. I really hope we see the Sargent again as well- loved that guy!

Glad I watched this show, I feel like the character development in this show is the best I’ve seen in a long time. I bet that young officer will prove himself but I hope he switches to the rebellion.

@MrJustwatchin9

Жыл бұрын

Nah. The latest trailer shows him aligned with the empire. Maybe not over the course of his show but he’ll definitely become a more formidable antagonist to Andor which that trailer also hints at. He’s being forged in the fire

@thedarkknight5239

Жыл бұрын

Which trailer and can you explain how?

@thedarkknight5239

Жыл бұрын

Is Karn the guy who wears the tie in the trailer?

@SyrilsCereal

Жыл бұрын

@@thedarkknight5239 yes

The actor who plays Karn is good. Like, I believed his internal breakdown at the end of episode 3, and felt for the guy. You could see it in his eyes. Even his expression - as blank as it seemed - was anything but. I didn't like him at first, but now I actually do. It was his performance that sold me. Even the awkward cringe moment of the speech to his men. This actor went in with his all. At this point, I feel for what he's lost, the regret in his decisions, and I feel for the people of Ferrix. These three episodes gave us a chance to get to know them, and to care about what they lost and what happens to them. My college English professor taught me the important lesson that you need to give your audience a reason to care about what the characters lose, or they won't become invested. I wrote a new a new first chapter for my book, and when I gave it back to him, he read it and said, "That did it. Now I care." These writers understand that lesson.

When I watched andor I didn’t see Cyril as a bad guy, he was doing his job, he wants to have security and safety

@caelincoolz5814

Жыл бұрын

So true. Even though he took his responsibilities too seriously

Speaking as a Marine NCO, you hit the nail on the head describing moral standards and micromanagement in martial organizations. It was individual dedication to the mission and giving NCOs the authority to act on their own initiative within the commander's intent that made the USMC so effective historically. The more I think about it, the more I see similarities between real history and the results of the platoon level command styles of the Imperials and Rebel Alliance. When officers are only focused on power and politics (I'm talking about organizational politics here, anything to do with the civilian government), the entire organization suffers. When officers lay out the mission objectives and let NCOs adapt to the realities on the ground, war of attrition can be lessened to a certain extent, at least on a small scale.

My prediction is that the woman ISB officer will find Syril to get more information about what happened on Ferox. Being on Coruscant makes that easier for her since she doesn't have to go into anyone else's jurisdiction. Then she'll see that he has the same views as she does about order and justice and recruit him. She is basically the more competent Imperial version of him.

I cannot believe that I am invested in the story of a side character in a show I had zero interest in 1 month ago. This show was the biggest surprise in 2022. No one cared about Andor, no one wanted a show about him, we wanted Ashoka and Mando, yet despite that, it won us over in 3 episodes.

I see Syril as a Lawful good kind of guy. He'll join the Empire looking for justice and a place to work alongside competent people or the Galaxy's best. Then as he sees the Empire trying to cover up a genocide or political murder , he'll join the rebellion. What Siryl wants is justice and I think he'll have the best ark of the show.

I really hope you keep doing these type of videos man, you have done really good on these

There's something about how the story focuses on Syril & Dedra. Either they team up in the future & hunt Andor down together, OR they're eyes are opened to the empire's shortcomings & defect to join the rebellion. I'm so looking forward to find out... more excited how these 2 characters develop (VS mon mothma, saw gerera ~ only bcoz I already know how the rest of their story goes/ends).

@matthewk4912

Жыл бұрын

Maybe one of them will defect and one of them will stay.

This is my favorite video you’ve ever made so far

In a different story, Syril would be a young detective standing up for truth, justice, and the American Way. Javert from Les Miserables has been mentioned a couple of times, and at this moment I'm thinking Syril will take that trajectory. We've got two seasons of story, and I expect he will be in every episode to a tragic finish in the last...like Javert.

Superb analysis! Andor is really an excellent mature, well-written and more complex piece of Star Wars material. The'Star Wars light' stuff (as Robert Meyer Burnett describes them), such as Mando, Obi Wan and Boba Fett - missed the mark. I would like to see the Gilroys and their team more involved in Star Wars outputs and to work on a post-TRoS trilogy or an Old Republic trilogy.

From Syril Karn's very first scene, I immediately saw him as the gritty Star Wars version PAUL BLART: MALL COP. He's just a well-meaning employee who maybe takes his job a bit too seriously and is a supercop wannabe. I really enjoy his character for not being just a simplistic villain. Andor feels slow while watching it, but becomes one of the best Star Wars shows once you slowly soak in all the details because it is supposed to make you think.

I just feel so sorry for Syril. His mom has these lofty expectations for him. You can just see it in his eyes that they're wearing him down, making him wish he was more. I think a lot of people can relate to him. Great character.

He is definitely one of the most fascinating characters I have seen so far in the series. I am invested in seeing which way he turns!

I love seeing these people working for the empire that are more nuanced. People who genuinely think they are on the right side of history while being totally misguided, feels very realistic and relatable.

just watched all of what was out of andor on my day off, and so far its great

This is why I love Star Wars and Andor, such depth and intrigue in each character.

I think it would be interesting if ISB recruits him as some low level scrunt, he ‘fails’ again, joins a resistance faction, THEN heel turns to the Empire in a later season

Sometimes, it is for the best to do something. But sometimes, it is for the best to do nothing. In the end, it is depending on each situation one encountered at the moment.

"Those are not the words of someone that will go quietly into the night..." Thanks for reminding me of the president's speech in Independence Day. Great bad movie... awesome fight speech.

@GenerationTech

Жыл бұрын

Originally it’s all inspired by a welsh poet Dylan Thomas : Do not go gentle into that good night

@mRibbons

Жыл бұрын

@@GenerationTech forgive me for needing to fact check you. Turns out you are totally correct. You know your stuff! Definitely gonna watch ID4 tonight.

I love the parallel between dedra and syrils stories

Good analysis. Quite timely.

100% he is going to join the rebellion. There will be a moment in which he will have the opportunity to turn in Andor and get his job back, but will ultimately be too disillusioned with the Empire not being just and think that changes must be made.

We have to wait see

Syril seems to truly believe in the phrase that has become the personal motto of Michael Connely's Harry Bosch, "Everyone matters, or nobody matters."

I love the eye rolls and the “oh you want me to do my job” vibe from all the security officers in the show because it makes it feel like authentic military organization to me. All those lazy analysts are clearly enlisted 😂

Gotta love those refurb'd TRS-80 Model IIIs!

I love it that this character has been shown both sides of his choice and we still are unsure which way he will go.

Pretty good series, I like the slow start and buildup, I can see we have a talented production team unlike Obi-Wan and some parts of Mandelorian

Empire for sure, his sense of duty and justice combined with what he just experienced and saw.

It would be interesting if we find he was in Rogue One as a soldier of the Rebellion. The actor played a small role, unnamed in the film, and then he went to apply for this job and the director saw him and saw he had been in Rogue One and and his story unfolded in his mind. The last clip of the TV series being a clip from the film showing this, them together.

I can see a world of pain no matter where his decisions takes him. He will find trouble and trouble will be drawn to him.

I hadn't thought about it until now. I do see how Syril's righteousness could make him into a good rebel.

If he pulls an Iden Versio i will smash my TV and throw it out the window

I hope he doesn't become a rebel because that's the lamest trope in all of star wars

I like his character a lot actually. Is he the brightest, no. However, he's also clearly undertrained. He is the type of person who wants to do the right thing though and he is willing to put his own life on the line to try and make that difference happen. Yes, he somewhat crumbled under pressure but that is partially due to his lack of training and preperation for situations like that and the fact that he really didn't betray his men with any extremely valuable knowledge. He is an honorable man just pointed in the wrong direction. He is someone I want to see more of. Same goes for the man that was leading the squads with him. He seems like a good soldier who also wants justice to be served. We need more of them both. Personally, I want to see both on the side of the Empire because I'm tired of the Empire always being portrayed as stuck-up snobs only concerned about themselves. There were plenty of people in the Empire who were not evil themselves, just pointed in the wrong the direction. That is part of war. The Empire has always been partially portrayed in the same light as the Germans in WWII which makes sense since so much of the combat is based on WWII combat. While the Germans definitely had some hideous people with a despicable lack of character and values, there were also people on that side of the war who weren't necessarily evil themselves. They knew their country did some evil things however, they were fighting to protect their families (and were somewhat forced to). Good people can end up supporting horrible causes. That is what makes war so difficult. Millions of good men and women have to die on both sides to reach the truly sinister core. With that said, wars such as WWII have to happen because people like the German leaders (The Empire in SW) have to be put to a stop.

@geronimo5537

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Although I completely agree with you and your analysis of the human condition is very accurate. I've often stated the same. I need to also highlight that people are what their government decrees. In the case of Germany, the laws of the people changed once new leadership stepped in. When such things happen people dont really have the choice but to follow or be punished. Most people fall in line, a good 98% dont want their lives ruined, and so things only get worse. But many did fight that system and many died trying even from within the military. Look at the government of your own people and see that the same can happen anywhere. Its just a matter of leadership and paper laws that determine what people will so willingly do. The same can be seen in miniature within cooperate environments just like we saw with Syril. No one cares about the problem. Only that the problem needs to go away. Doing the right thing is harder and less convenient. That is genuinely what people do, will do, and have done when faced under adversity. As good star wars characters show and I have personally learned in life. Caring is a good thing they tell us. But when you actually truly care and do your best to care about others. That is when everyone walks away from you and there is no floor left to stand on. Simply because you cared more about others than the people around you ever could. Syril, Anakin, Dooku, and other such characters all cared too much while others did not. They all hit the wall that forced them to try helping others by other means as nothing in their position could allow them to help people. Then with a little blackmail you have yourself a sith lord unable to go back.

The beauty of Karn's character is the fact we know he will take action, and from his perspective he will do the right thing. The only question is, what "right thing" will he do? Will he join the empire for more order after losing men in a terrorist attack? Or will he join the rebels as he sees the empire as corrupt and inable to bring justice? He's such a good character for this!

Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please

I think he will have an arc similar to Kallus' . I think the Empire will recruit him first, and he will learn what true Evil is. Then he will turn to the Light. Will he survive? Probably not, but he will turn the tide of some important, climactic battle.

1.) Syril didn’t care about the corpos (that were killed by Andor) one bit. It was nicely set up to show the audience that Cyril is desperate to move up by a.) the director mentioned him putting his feet on his desk in his absence which hints toward Cyril already is trying to picture himself in the director’s chair. And by b.) he tailored his uniform to stand out, look more professional and director-worthy. Therefore, Cyril saw an opportunity in the director’s cautious approach (plus potential laziness) to come through as the shining hero, not just to his underlings (who seem to not respect him as much as Cyril would like) but to the director and the higher echelons of the corporation. Cyril throws the director’s warning, or more foreshadowing, into the wind and went to grab this opportunity for himself. I never picked up on Cyril’s care for the two corpos killed, he was never shown to look into their files, put up their holograms or mention them by their names. No, Cyril didn’t care one bit about the two corpos, he wanted his feet on that director’s desk. BUT, once he saw men under his control die, men who were just living, breathing next to him on the shuttle to the ground….that truly shook him to the core, which is only natural for a person witnessing combat and death for the first time. Deep down he was reliving everything…the director’s warning, his dogged pursuit and set up of a covert mission against strict orders, the confusion on the ground, and the bomb. Where does Cyril go from here? Why would this incident, which was obviously his fault, be the catalyst for Cyril to abandon his neat, organized and bureaucratic leaning life? The Rebels at this point are the polar opposite, they’re disorganized and scattered, they’re in chaos, an environment in which Cyril isn’t able to even picture himself. No, what would make sense is either a.) he gets picked up by Dedra in her quest to figure out what was going on the ground (they placed Cyril conveniently on Coruscant after all) and she decides to get him a entry position at the ISB….or, more shockingly, Dedra is his sister (they both are the exact same anal-retentive and exacting persona, Cyril’s mother seems to be more mad at his failure than happy over his survival; slap first, hug later) and the mother begs Dedra to get Cyril a job….either way, Cyril should end up at ISB first, because the incident of his failed mission, wasn’t a strong enough catalyst for his character’s arc. In order to show the audience the inner workings of the Empire, the oppression, the plundering and destruction of entire planets, slavery, genocide, etc now THAT would make a perfect catalyst for Cyril. Someone who seems the perfect fit for the Empire, who loves bureaucracy, order, well-fitting uniforms….to slowly be disillusioned, then shocked….until something so awful happens in front of him (firing squad against civilians) to catapult him out of his desperately held worldviews into chaos.

Now that I think about it, the jacket Karn was wearing in his currently final scene it brown, and has a big hood, a bit like a Jedi robe. Maybe that's a bit of symbolism snuck in there that he'll be joining that same side? Not Jedi specifically, just joining the same side as them, meaning the rebellion.

Hey what is the music you guys use in your videos?

At first I’d say he’s angry at the end of episode 3 and that might push him to find a place with the empire, possibly with Dedra Meero at the ISB. Yet his silence when being dressed down with the others says more that he’s grieving a loss. Whether it’s his men, his career or his position in the corporation we won’t know until he says something. Since he is going back to Coruscant, and he obviously doesn’t want to be there with his mother, there’s the possibility he could end up working for Mon Mothma and by extension the rebellion. He seems like he could do well in either group, though honestly he’s probably be happier with the purpose of the rebellion if he works for Mon Mothma. She’s been the morale compass of the Alliance after destroying the first Death Star. But if he has to work for Saw Gerrera he’s not going to be able to handle that level of fanaticism.

@Raygo.

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Er... at this point in the timeline, I don't think the Death Star has finished construction yet. Right? 🤔

@LairdErnst

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@@Raygo. correct. However I’m speaking in the eventuality. For now she’s on the rise in the rebellion as a leader. Later after the Death Star is destroyed she is voice of growth and moderation for the rebel alliance. And I think Syril Karn would work well together through all of that.

@jasons5916

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I think he doesn't say anything to the ISB officer because he knows he messed up and takes responsibility for it. The other guys tried to make excuses to save their jobs, but Syril is more black and white in his POV and personality. I'm sure he feels bad for getting people killed and realizes he didn't do a good job, but I doubt he will join the people who killed his men at least not right away.

Top notch Alan (sp? apologize, I don't know how its spelled). :-)

U don’t do outros anymore GenTech?!?

I would love to see karn and sarge blueberry meet up fighting for the alliance and end up doing some important mission together. Each having learned to use their skills and determination to fight for good after seeing the empire for what it was.

Looking forward to where his character goes.

I never thought for a second the uniform mod was to look tough or combat ready. Just to look smarter than a loose fitting jumpsuit

0:39 subtitles say “marijuana one” lol

Most like what he would join and do Rebels: rebel’s investigators, I can see him listening to empire comm and research Imperial data like that data droid from rebels that like chopper Empire: isb Agent or investigators most likely agent kallus but less combat experience

Syril is either, 1) going to continue to become so disillusioned with the Empire that he joins the Resistance, or 2) as a result of his recent experiences, he will double down in his increasing hatred for the ineptitude and bureaucracy at the lower levels of the Empire, and will join Dedra (he is on Coruscant now, after all) in seeking out Cassian by their own means.

I love how invested I've become in his potential futures without even trying. he's just had his dreams destroyed, what will he make of the reality he now finds himself in?

The Interesting thing about the chief inspector, is that in this case he was right. He told the deputy inspector to drop the case, that the men were looking for trouble and messed with the wrong guy. They got in a fight and it went too far. That’s exactly what happened. If they dropped it no one else would have died and all this disaster could have been avoided. He was pushing this under the rug, but in this one instance he was completely right, in hindsight of course

The imperial internal bureaucracy and politics are some of the best aspects of the show, imo.

Is Andor all filmed in the UK? There are so many recognizable British actors playing parts very different to their normal performanaces. Love it.

@GenerationTech

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Star Wars has a history of using excellent British actors and using stages in the uk. Also in world core region people always have British accents whereas outer rim folks have American accents

@davideddy5877

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@@GenerationTech Core region may sill be part of the British Empire.

Syril will join the rebellion....first only wth the intend to betray them to the empire. Then maybe he will change his mindset at the end,and sacrifice himself to save the rebellion in last sec. Or without redemption arc, he will die in some random orbital fire/bombardment or stromtropper blasterfire...

Love this character. Definitely my second favorite after Luthen!

That look is the look of someone who has had his worldview crushed. He thought he was on the side of right, only to have an entire community rise up and violently oppose him. I think he has a strong enough moral compass to realize that he was not on the right side, and that’s why he made no effort to defend his actions. I think he ultimately joins the Rebellion. He’s seen the cost of enforcing the “order” he once served… which drew that haunted look from him.

What was that with the Harry Potter Clip?

I think his modification of the uniform is emblematic of his greater personality, he may be one who favors the appearance of doing good, or his version of doing good other people’s version. I think that Karn will go toward the Empire and go on a personal crusade against Kassian, sort of like Inspector Javert in Les Miserable.

Caring for the people under your command. Like what the Canon Jedi tried to do for their clone troopers. What set them apart not just from Separatist officers, but also the Republic officers that would go on and serve the Galactic Empire. Hope to see some of that in Tales of the Jedi.

@Justanotherconsumer

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Does he care, or does he see a big case to manage that’ll lead to a promotion?

@tristankawatsuma8962

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@@Justanotherconsumer Well, in most other shows with organizations like the Empire, we usually see characters build up forces to rise in the ranks. Like Starscream for his plans to usurp Megatron. If Syril really are more of a guy just wanting to be top dog, you could say he wanted to win the respect of the cops so they could support him.

I disagree with your take on the chief. Despite his complacent attitude, he’s hardly incompetent or oblivious. He just doesn’t miss the forest for the trees, and recognizes that as long as the general operation is going smoothly, there will always be breakage. He’s not the one who got Morlana’s independence revoked.

The boss may have been incompetent... but, on the other hand, if his orders had been followed there would be four living officers. Perhaps he was simply nearing the end of his career and was just doing the risk/reward calculation.

@GenerationTech

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i think a better word is jaded, i mean he does correctly predict exactly what happens

None of the people in Andor feels incompetent. They doing their job the best they could without unnecessary negative attention. The iron fist approach actually allowed for more enemies created.

it makes more sense for him to first join the Empire, witness the atrocities, and eventually join the Rebellion; If he survives the Civil War than it would make more sense that he becomes an experience Law Enforcement officer for the New Republic.

He'll probably team up with the ISB women Dedra. He trying to get Cassian maybe his job back(possible a position in the ISB),her get power and prestige

I definitely thought he was a tool at first. but the longer i think back on the 4 episodes so far, he's a good guy - he's devoted, moral, prideful, professional. He's gonna make a great rebel when he figures out who he is and learns more of battle. He might be a new favorite character of mine in the Star Wars universe. I can relate to him a lot. He's got alot of Luke in him, but more refined

@Lukas-mk8so

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I really, really hope he don´t join the rebel scum and get a terrorist. He would be a great Imperial in my eyes and would make it much more interesting. This whole "Joining the Rebels/Defect to the Rebels" Thing is so lame and overused.

I'm wondering where Karn and Dedra end up by the end of this series. Both of them feel like people who are trying to do what they think is right and are getting destroyed by the shortsightedness of the Imperial machine. I wonder if they'll both end up as defectors who help Andor in the end. More specifically I wonder if Karn is going to be tempted to become a rebel but his issues with Andor lead to a confrontation.

I love how the prime antagonist so far isn’t actually a bad guy. In fact our protagonist is more of a bad guy than he is

Seems like he’s going to go work at the ISB, they set that up when Major Boss Man chatted with Sally Career Climber about her CV

Syril Karn is my favourite character in the Andor series.

Here’s what I find absolutely amazing about Syril he feels the most human. He cares about his men even those that never worked under him. He believes in the system and if everyone who’s good and lawful he feels he’s doing the right job. he has a high morale code he’s almost at inspector Javert levels of dedication. But he’s now seeing some of the cracks in the system. When his corporate boss the chief director is trying to slide under the rug the death of two agents saying quite callously they got what they had coming you can feel Syrils reaction is almost disgust. It reminds me a lot of like how Anakin cared a lot about the clones troopers and people around him instead of feeling like their tools to be used and discarded. In Syrils first taste of actual combat he’s literally numbed by the experience shocked at seeing his fellow agents killed and does the not Javert thing and goes back to help his fellow agents. Afterwards and still numb at the loss he doesn’t make no excuses and takes his punishment. Going back home defeated but still has that feeling he can set things right bring the people into justice. My prediction will be he will likely team up with agent Meero and either uncover luthens involvement but might have a conscious of faith either as he sees how the ISB just brutalizes the people or it may be the complete opposite that’s what I like is this show on characters we know we see them slowly evolve into the heroes and villains they will become others it can be either way.

@geronimo5537

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the greatest downfall of all good intentioned people is caring too much and finding no one can care at all. that's what pushes people to do bad things in the hopes of making more people care.

It's simple. He has PTSD. The trauma has crushed him and he will never get the same.

So much Screentime for such a interesting character. I feel a turn in him, after he realiced the corruption inside the ISB.

Francis Poldark has always had trouble picking a side in times of conflict, this time is no different

Andor seems to be a good show, its definitely got a slow burn going on and I swear to god if Disney isn't going somewhere with this I will be quite upset with myself. I fully expect Syril Karn's next allegiance will be to the empire, the way he's wired right now he still has every reason to believe he was doing to right thing against the bad criminals, who now have not only got away with murder, but are partly the cause of him getting fired and humiliated. But his morality isn't "off" per se, nor does he strike me as an imbecile. I could see a future him, after working for the empire and learning more about 'friends' and 'enemies' (much like Callus' story told in SW: Rebels 6:34) he turns around and becomes a rebel double agent.

I would very much like to see Syral learn from his mistakes and get the jump on Andor somewhere.

Isn’t this guy Ramsey Bolton from the game of thrones

@GenerationTech

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Haha yeah he looks like him

@pyeitme508

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@@GenerationTech lol 😂